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Scholar Calls Pedophilia 'An Unchangeable Sexual Orientation' that Should Be Accepted

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,783 ✭✭✭heebusjeebus


    Nonce sense


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Politics Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 81,309 CMod ✭✭✭✭coffee_cake


    Computer says no


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    It shouldn't be accepted but I'd say she's right otherwise.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,231 ✭✭✭Jim Bob Scratcher


    The Christian perspective :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Accept that they feel this way and treat them/ monitor them, or accept that they are the way they are and allow them to have sex with pre pubescent children? 2 very different things there.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    A student said it .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,348 ✭✭✭✭ricero


    The new wave looney liberals are scary


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    A medical student? So we have to take this one young, inexperienced and unqualified person seriously? I think not.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭Church on Tuesday


    If ideas like this, kite flying exercises essentially, keep been trotted out I think we as a society may as well give up.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    This doesn’t deserve to be discussed.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,048 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Accept that they feel this way and treat them/ monitor them, or accept that they are the way they are and allow them to have sex with pre pubescent children? 2 very different things there.


    I think this is very important.

    There are many pedophiles out there who have never acted on it and never will, because they know it wrong to do so.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,331 ✭✭✭death1234567


    Yeah she's right to some extent. By branding those people as evil and sick you send their behaviour underground and ensure that they are socially isolated and more likely to act on their bizarre desires. By allowing them to be monitored but live openly (while undergoing appropriate therapy/counselling) you are much more likely to reduce the chance of them offending. Also alot of paedo's were themselves abused as kids so by stopping them abusing you also stop a new generation of paedo's.

    Of course rabble rabble rabble pitchforks, burn them all, rabble rabble rabble.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭Thoughtform


    Nobody "should" accept anything. This is one person - a student (I love how they use the term "scholar" to make it seem like she's an expert).

    So the headline is designed to shock, although a behavioural psychologist refutes her claim that it's a sexual orientation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Maybe they can workshop the idea by having a local pedo babysit their children.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    "Let me be very clear here. Abusing children is wrong without any doubt, but a pedophile who doesn't abuse children has done nothing wrong," Heine said, adding that pedophilia is just a preference to have sex with children.

    Unless they have downloaded child pornography whereby they are doing something wrong and are encouraging the abuse of children.

    What is this kite flying that we are seeing from certain elements of the Left around Paedophilia about?

    It is incurable. Therapy and drugs have limited success.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Actually in the 70s there was a strong campaign to reduce or eliminate the age of consent by extreme leftwingers.

    Particularly the French wombats.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Actually in the 70s there was a strong campaign to reduce or eliminate the age of consent by extreme leftwingers.

    Particularly the French wombats.

    The Council for Civil Liberties in the UK were up to the same.

    Several Labour party members, including Harriet Harman, were involved.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/10659169/Harriet-Harman-admits-paedophile-group-joined-her-civil-liberties-group-in-the-1970s.html


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    This clearly won't be accepted for obvious reasons but I really struggle with what we do with these people. People are not in control of what makes them hard, it is biology and whatever else goes into it. The disgust I understand. People have this sexual persuasion though and ignoring it isn't going to help us as a society deal with it.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    The issue isn't pedofilia, it's when it's acted on.

    Or am I still a potential rapist?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    This doesn’t deserve to be discussed.

    Aye, sweep it under the carpet. If we wish really hard it will all be OK. That has served us well with issues in Ireland's past.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,121 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    I don't think it should be normalised by being accepted as just a harmless sexual orientation. It isn't. It's a paraphilia and any expression of it is extremely harmful to the victims and also to society.

    It seems like there is a push in the media lately to normalise pedophilia and not any other paraphilias like bestiality. You'd have to wonder who/what is behind it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    I don't think it should be normalised by being accepted as just a harmless sexual orientation. It isn't. It's a paraphilia and any expression of it is extremely harmful to the victims and also to society.

    It seems like there is a push in the media lately to normalise pedophilia and not any other paraphilias like bestiality. You'd have to wonder who/what is behind it.

    This is completely incorrect and idiotic tbh. No one is trying to say it is harmless or normalise it. The point is that it exists and we do more harm than good by burying the heads in the sand about the problem that actually talking about it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,230 ✭✭✭jaxxx


    This is what happens when someone goes 'full retard'.

    Seriously, I thought I heard it all but this f*cking takes the biscuit.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    jaxxx wrote: »
    This is what happens when someone goes 'full retard'.

    Seriously, I thought I heard it all but this f*cking takes the biscuit.

    Instead of talking in riddles it would be nice if you actually contributed to the thread.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    This doesn’t deserve to be discussed.

    Not for one minute am I legitimising or advocating it. What I will say is that people said the exact same for interracial marriage 50 years ago, homosexuality 25 years ago and some still say it about transgender people now. Those previously unthinkable things have become the normalised now.

    Who knows where we'll be down the line with pressure groups and -phobic tags and everything else.

    Again, I'm stating I've nothing against interracial marriage or LGBT folks at all, only drawing a parrellel with conversations and mindsets changing as time goes on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    Well, I agree that a person’s sexual preferences can’t be changed unfortunately.

    But a paedophile can’t and shouldn’t act on it. They just need to learn to ignore their perversion. If they want to seek help to cope, they should be helped. I’m sure many don’t want to feel that way.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,230 ✭✭✭jaxxx


    Instead of talking in riddles it would be nice if you actually contributed to the thread.


    I'd curb that self-appointed moderator schtick, it's not something that ever goes down well with actual moderators, on any forum.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Just to be clear. Don't diddle the kids.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Not for one minute am I legitimising or advocating it. What I will say is that people said the exact same for interracial marriage 50 years ago, homosexuality 25 years ago and some still say it about transgender people now. Those previously unthinkable things have become the normalised now.

    Who knows where we'll be down the line with pressure groups and -phobic tags and everything else.

    Again, I'm stating I've nothing against interracial marriage or LGBT folks at all, only drawing a parrellel with conversations and mindsets changing as time goes on.

    This will never get normalised. I understand it is something we need to address but what consenting adults do is a completely different thing to what we allow to go on between an adult and a child. Things may have changed in terms of how accepting we are in terms of sexuality but I don't see how we ever reach a point that this should or is acceptable. There are no parallels to be drawn.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    jaxxx wrote: »
    I'd curb that self-appointed moderator schtick, it's not something that ever goes down well with actual moderators, on any forum.

    I asked for you to contribute to the conversation rather than talking in riddles without saying anything. No moderation. You take umbridge because you can't or won't express what you would like to say and talk in more riddles about some moderation thing. I hope you are better at expressing yourself IRL.


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