Dirty carpet in new rental property

Carnmore

Is it the landlords responsibility to clean a carpet for a new tenant?

The rental agreement is in place but the tenant hasn't moved in yet and they didn't initially notice the carpet was dirty.

homerjay2005

Carnmore wrote: »

Is it the landlords responsibility to clean a carpet for a new tenant?

The rental agreement is in place but the tenant hasn't moved in yet and they didn't initially notice the carpet was dirty.

if everything is agreed, i dont think there is any obligation of the LL to clean it, the agreement would have been signed as is.

i would suggest take photos, point out to the LL the issues and ask. carpets can be cleaned now perfectly for about 80-100euro by professional companies.

Noo

Take photos and point it out as early as possible to the landlord. Have an email trail. Even if it doesnt result in getting it cleaned now, guaranteed you'll be told to have it professionally cleaned to get your bond back.

handlemaster

The trouble tenant has arisen ! ! Did you not look at the place before hand ? Word of advise.. suck it up and move on. The viewing is there for a reason if you werent happened you should have said it.

ATC110

handlemaster wrote: »

The trouble tenant has arisen ! ! Did you not look at the place before hand ? Word of advise.. suck it up and move on. The viewing is there for a reason if you werent happened you should have said it.

It’s not for me but the tenant didn’t initially notice as it’s a dark carpet and not obvious

Axwell

handlemaster wrote: »

The trouble tenant has arisen ! ! Did you not look at the place before hand ? Word of advise.. suck it up and move on. The viewing is there for a reason if you werent happened you should have said it.

A lot of times when you do a viewing the current tennants and their stuff are still there. Its only when they move out and their stuff is gone you will properly see how clean a place is.

As suggested above take photos and ask for them to be cleaned.

4ensic15

Is the lease signed yet? If not, take the deposit back and go elsewhere!

handlemaster

Axwell wrote: »

handlemaster wrote: »

The trouble tenant has arisen ! ! Did you not look at the place before hand ? Word of advise.. suck it up and move on. The viewing is there for a reason if you werent happened you should have said it.

A lot of times when you do a viewing the current tennants and their stuff are still there. Its only when they move out and their stuff is gone you will properly see how clean a place is.

As suggested above take photos and ask for them to be cleaned.

Yea. And then its we dont like the colour of the sitting room. Then the carpets after cleaning arent clean enought we want them changed. Then its the kitchen doors dont like them want the kitchen changed. Ive been there. Starts as what seems to be a simple request become and avalanche of requests. Hopefully the landlord sees through this and says no.

Pkiernan

4ensic15 wrote: »

Is the lease signed yet? If not, take the deposit back and go elsewhere!

How does one take back a deposit?

vectorvictor

Rugdoctor machine rental and shampoo costs max €50.

I'd expect any tenant who signs a lease , moves in and complains about the carpets to get their no reason required notice pretty quickly.

A broken shower or washing machine that couldn't be reasonably checked during viewing would be understandable but a carpet is taking the ....

handlemaster

Pkiernan wrote: »

4ensic15 wrote: »

Is the lease signed yet? If not, take the deposit back and go elsewhere!

How does one take back a deposit?

One gets it returned from the landlord. And one can then take a hike with it

K.Flyer

Carnmore wrote: »

Is it the landlords responsibility to clean a carpet for a new tenant?

The rental agreement is in place but the tenant hasn't moved in yet and they didn't initially notice the carpet was dirty.

From your opening post it comes across that you are the landlord.
It depends on how you want to be viewed as a landlord, do you want to hand over the place fully cleaned and fresh for your new tenant.
Or,
Are you the sort that leaves it as the last occupiers left it and hope your new tenants either don't notice the dirt or don't cause a fuss as you can't be bothered cleaning it.
Your choice.

If you are the new tenants, either ensure it is properly cleaned or get it in writing that it was like that when you arrived, either that or go elsewhere.

Iwouldinmesack

handlemaster wrote: »

Yea. And then its we dont like the colour of the sitting room. Then the carpets after cleaning arent clean enought we want them changed. Then its the kitchen doors dont like them want the kitchen changed. Ive been there. Starts as what seems to be a simple request become and avalanche of requests. Hopefully the landlord sees through this and says no.

Eh , the landlord should make sure the walls and carpets are clean, that all appliances are working and furniture isnt from the 1950s before they even think of renting the house out especially with the extortionate rent they are charging nowadays. Some absolute chancers out there and should be ashamed of themselves.

vectorvictor

Cant wait for the post in 2 weeks when the bathroom light bulb needs replacing

Sleeper12

Carnmore wrote:

Is it the landlords responsibility to clean a carpet for a new tenant?

It's definitely not the tenants responsibility in a place they haven't even moved into.

Carnmore wrote:

The rental agreement is in place but the tenant hasn't moved in yet and they didn't initially notice the carpet was dirty.

Is the carpet dirty?

If so it's not good practice to rent out a dirty property. You should have deducted the cost of cleaning from the last tenant deposit.

If the carpet isn't dirty tell them no

handlemaster

Iwouldinmesack wrote: »

handlemaster wrote: »

Yea. And then its we dont like the colour of the sitting room. Then the carpets after cleaning arent clean enought we want them changed. Then its the kitchen doors dont like them want the kitchen changed. Ive been there. Starts as what seems to be a simple request become and avalanche of requests. Hopefully the landlord sees through this and says no.

Eh , the landlord should make sure the walls and carpets are clean, that all appliances are working and furniture isnt from the 1950s before they even think of renting the house out especially with the extortionate rent they are charging nowadays. Some absolute chancers out there and should be ashamed of themselves.

Tenants viewed nothing has changed now making demands.

Iwouldinmesack

handlemaster wrote: »

Tenants viewed nothing has changed now making demands.

I remember viewing a house. We were stuck badly due to the housing shortage. It was a nice house in an affluent enough area but needed painting and carpets cleaned due to previous tenants. Requested to estate agents and landlord ( as we would be dealing with him) to paint etc before we moved in. Yeah yeah no problem. Gave deposit n first months rent (wasnt cheap). About a week later went to get keys off agent and move in. Were the carpets cleaned or house painted? Was it fxxk. Took ages to sort out and all, yet they were happy to take my money as they knew i was stuck.

Sleeper12

handlemaster wrote:

Tenants viewed nothing has changed now making demands.

It's my experience that tenants that want a clean home tend to keep it clean & there's less wear & tear on furnishings. I've been asked to remove my shoes before in rented property because the tenant had taken pride in their home.

I've also found that tenants who don't care about the state of the property don't care about the furnishings.

There are exceptions to every rule but I'd prefer to OPs tenant to someone that doesn't care about the place.

If it's dirty clean it OP & if it's not then don't. It's unfair to ask someone that hasn't even moved in to clean someone else's mess.

handlemaster

Iwouldinmesack wrote: »

handlemaster wrote: »

Tenants viewed nothing has changed now making demands.

I remember viewing a house. We were stuck badly due to the housing shortage. It was a nice house in an affluent enough area but needed painting and carpets cleaned due to previous tenants. Requested to estate agents and landlord ( as we would be dealing with him) to paint etc before we moved in. Yeah yeah no problem. Gave deposit n first months rent (wasnt cheap). About a week later went to get keys off agent and move in. Were the carpets cleaned or house painted? Was it fxxk. Took ages to sort out and all, yet they were happy to take my money as they knew i was stuck.

The case here is the tenants were hapoy. Signed contract and now only starting to complain. I know there can be some issues at the start but this issue should have been discussed prior to contract signature. My exterience this will not be the end of it any good landlord should sniff these tenants out at this stage

handlemaster

Sleeper12 wrote: »

handlemaster wrote:

Tenants viewed nothing has changed now making demands.

It's my experience that tenants that want a clean home tend to keep it clean & there's less wear & tear on furnishings. I've been asked to remove my shoes before in rented property because the tenant had taken pride in their home.

I've also found that tenants who don't care about the state of the property don't care about the furnishings.

There are exceptions to every rule but I'd prefer to OPs tenant to someone that doesn't care about the place.

If it's dirty clean it OP & if it's not then don't. It's unfair to ask someone that hasn't even moved in to clean someone else's mess.[/quote

Yes and no. Unfortunately most people would clean up and get on with it. We have tenants who complain like this but when it comes to their repsonibilities are deaf. The contract is signed put up or dont move in

Sleeper12

handlemaster wrote:

The case here is the tenants were hapoy. Signed contract and now only starting to complain. I know there can be some issues at the start but this issue should have been discussed prior to contract signature. My exterience this will not be the end of it any good landlord should sniff these tenants out at this stage

You are talking the legality of it. That's cut & dry. However the moral thing /the right thing to do is for the landlord to clean the carpet, assuming that they do actually need cleaning.

A "good" landlord would have cleaned the carpets before viewing, again assuming that the carpets actually need cleaning. A "good" landlord will ask himself /herself "would I be happy for my son /daughter, wife or mother to live in this property as is?" If the answer is yes then it's most likely a good clean property. If the answer is no then you need to make some changes

KevinCavan

Carnmore wrote: »

Is it the landlords responsibility to clean a carpet for a new tenant?

The rental agreement is in place but the tenant hasn't moved in yet and they didn't initially notice the carpet was dirty.

In the current market you should feel priveleged to pay a premium for your substandard property. Nobody cares about a tenants rights anyway. The R.T.B.I. couldn’t give a fiddler’s about tenants.

Iwouldinmesack

handlemaster wrote: »

The case here is the tenants were hapoy. Signed contract and now only starting to complain. I know there can be some issues at the start but this issue should have been discussed prior to contract signature. My exterience this will not be the end of it any good landlord should sniff these tenants out at this stage

Like i discussed it with them ?

10pennymixup

KevinCavan wrote: »

........... The R.T.B.I. couldn’t give a fiddler’s about tenants.

Are you serious? Surely you don't really believe this. The legislation is mostly pro tenant and the RTB's interpretation of it is pure anti LL. Any excuse to come down on the LL they will take it.

KevinCavan

KevinCavan wrote: »

In the current market you should feel priveleged to pay a premium for your substandard property. Nobody cares about a tenants rights anyway. The R.T.B.I. couldn’t give a fiddler’s about tenants.

You are in dreamland. All the rules are totally biased and in favour of tenants and the RTB are completely tenant biased. LLs are badly in need of regaining some rights.

handlemaster

Sleeper12 wrote: »

handlemaster wrote:

The case here is the tenants were hapoy. Signed contract and now only starting to complain. I know there can be some issues at the start but this issue should have been discussed prior to contract signature. My exterience this will not be the end of it any good landlord should sniff these tenants out at this stage

You are talking the legality of it. That's cut & dry. However the moral thing /the right thing to do is for the landlord to clean the carpet, assuming that they do actually need cleaning.

A "good" landlord would have cleaned the carpets before viewing, again assuming that the carpets actually need cleaning. A "good" landlord will ask himself /herself "would I be happy for my son /daughter, wife or mother to live in this property as is?" If the answer is yes then it's most likely a good clean property. If the answer is no then you need to make some changes

Look the landlords of ireland have enought heartache with been legally screwed without been thrown the moral argument also. It also works the other towards the tenant.

K.Flyer

I have to say all the landlords that I deal with go to great lengths to clean out their apartments before new tenants move in. They would be embarrassed if a carpet had been left filthy dirty and gone unnoticed by either side on handover day, well it just wouldn't happen in the first place.
Most landlords give the service in line with current rental charges, others don't give a sh!te and trying to let dirty properties doesn't phase them and they should be ashamed of themselves.

Sleeper12

K.Flyer wrote:

I have to say all the landlords that I deal with go to great lengths to clean out their apartments before new tenants move in. They would be embarrassed if a carpet had been left filthy dirty and gone unnoticed by either side on handover day, well it just wouldn't happen in the first place. Most landlords give the service in line with current rental charges, others don't give a sh!te and trying to let dirty properties doesn't phase them and they should be ashamed of themselves.

This is my experience too.

OP still hasn't confirmed if the carpet is actually dirty but if it is it should be cleaned.

A taxi that you only spend 20 minutes in to get from A to B has to be neat and clean by law. They even have random inspections & fines for the driver if they are dirty. Yet there is no law stopping a landlord taking a mattress out of a skip and putting it in rented accommodation.

I'll never understand how we have minimum standards for taxis and none for a property you will be living in for a year or more.

decky1

no sure where you live but the way properties are going now maybe you should be glad to get somewhere, my daughter just started renting a house the landlord gave her 2 buckets of paint we had to buy the rest [another 4 buckets] she was just so happy to get somewhere she was'nt willing to argue over it, shop around you'll get a nice piece to replace it or get it cleaned may be another option, don't loose your new home over this small matter.

handlemaster

Sleeper12 wrote: »

K.Flyer wrote:

I have to say all the landlords that I deal with go to great lengths to clean out their apartments before new tenants move in. They would be embarrassed if a carpet had been left filthy dirty and gone unnoticed by either side on handover day, well it just wouldn't happen in the first place. Most landlords give the service in line with current rental charges, others don't give a sh!te and trying to let dirty properties doesn't phase them and they should be ashamed of themselves.

This is my experience too.

OP still hasn't confirmed if the carpet is actually dirty but if it is it should be cleaned.

A taxi that you only spend 20 minutes in to get from A to B has to be neat and clean by law. They even have random inspections & fines for the driver if they are dirty. Yet there is no law stopping a landlord taking a mattress out of a skip and putting it in rented accommodation.

I'll never understand how we have minimum standards for taxis and none for a property you will be living in for a year or more.

I cant understand how some tenants can walk away owning thousands in rent and thousands more in damage and theres no law against that.

ConnyMcDavid

vectorvictor wrote: »

Cant wait for the post in 2 weeks when the bathroom light bulb needs replacing

Were you sitting there for 3 hours after your first post in the thread thinking of something funny to say?

K.Flyer

decky1 wrote: »

no sure where you live but the way properties are going now maybe you should be glad to get somewhere, my daughter just started renting a house the landlord gave her 2 buckets of paint we had to buy the rest [another 4 buckets] she was just so happy to get somewhere she was'nt willing to argue over it, shop around you'll get a nice piece to replace it or get it cleaned may be another option, don't loose your new home over this small matter.

Are you serious?
Your daughter had to paint the place she was moving into?
That landlord had to be wetting himself laughing at her.
If she was in the place a couple of years I could understand if she wanted to brighten the place up, but if it was that bad that it needed painting from the get-go and the landlord handed her the paint for you to get on with, thats disgraceful.
Edit: unless she got a very decent discount off the first months rent?

K.Flyer

handlemaster wrote: »

I cant understand how some tenants can walk away owning thousands in rent and thousands more in damage and theres no law against that.

And there should be a law in place to deal with it.
And not all "professional" tenants keep places well, and not all "HAP / RA" recipients wreck the properties either.

Sleeper12

handlemaster wrote:

I cant understand how some tenants can walk away owning thousands in rent and thousands more in damage and theres no law against that.

Passengers get out of a taxi & run or worst still mug the taxi however the taxi still must meet minimum standards and be clean

You are trying to suggest that because there is a risk of getting a bad tenant that you should rent a dirty property?

I don't get your logic at all. Fortunately most landlords don't think this way

Pkiernan

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Passengers get out of a taxi & run or worst still mug the taxi however the taxi still must meet minimum standards and be clean

You are trying to suggest that because there is a risk of getting a bad tenant that you should rent a dirty property?

I don't get your logic at all. Fortunately most landlords don't think this way

You haven't a clue what you're on about.
There are minimum prescribed standards in law.

Sleeper12

Pkiernan wrote:

You haven't a clue what you're on about. There are minimum prescribed standards in law.

Actually I own quite a lot of property myself so I know exactly what I am talking about.

The point I was making is that a taxi that you spend 20 to 30 minutes in has real minimum standards. It has to be clean, seats comfortable and in good order with no springs sticking into tour bum or missing springs. Meanwhile a slumlord can take a 20 year old mouldy mattress with broken springs out of a skip and put it in his rental property without breaking the law.

The fact that OP even had to ask the original question says how lax the standards are. Can I rent out a property without ensuring that its clean first? The answer should be no. Sadly the minimum standard for rental property does not say that the property should be clean, have a decent standard of carpet or even have to be painted regularly.

In a commercial property where no one lives will have in the lease that it must be painted every 5 years minimum. In rental accommodation you can go 20 years without painting and you meet minimum standards.

handlemaster

Sleeper12 wrote: »

handlemaster wrote:

I cant understand how some tenants can walk away owning thousands in rent and thousands more in damage and theres no law against that.

Passengers get out of a taxi & run or worst still mug the taxi however the taxi still must meet minimum standards and be clean

You are trying to suggest that because there is a risk of getting a bad tenant that you should rent a dirty property?

I don't get your logic at all. Fortunately most landlords don't think this way

Tenant viewed property was happy signed contract.now demanding changes to be made . Thats not a very honest tenant. No evidence has been shown from OP what this dirty carpet actually looks like.you like to use examples . Heres one... husband walking back down the aisle after getting married new wife says I.want you to change.

Sleeper12

handlemaster wrote:

Tenant viewed property was happy signed contract.now demanding changes to be made . Thats not a very honest tenant. No evidence has been shown from OP what this dirty carpet actually looks like.you like to use examples . Heres one... husband walking back down the aisle after getting married new wife says I.want you to change.

In all my comments I have made a point of saying "if it's actually dirty". If it is not op should say no. If it is dirty then op should step up to the mark and clean it. Quite often tenants view a property while the last tenant is still living there. Carpets might not have looked dirty under all of the clutter. Carpets might actually have been clean at the time of viewing and might be dirty now. In this case landlord does actually have a responsibility to clean the carpets

A good landlord wouldn't dream of renting a dirty property. Best practice is to have everything tip top. All appliances fully functioning. Furniture in working order & a clean apartment. Best practice is to give it in the same condition you expect it back. If the carpet is dirty then they should be cleaned.

By the way most wives spend their lives "trying" to change their husbands. Then after years of trying to change the husband she'll say "you're not the man I married"

Graham

Although there's no statutory requirement for a landlord to clean the carpet, it sounds like a perfectly reasonable request to make if a tenant notices the carpets are dirty at the start of a tenancy.

At the end of the day, most landlords are quite reasonable.

handlemaster

Graham wrote: »

Although there's no statutory requirement for a landlord to clean the carpet, it sounds like a perfectly reasonable request to make if a tenant notices the carpets are dirty at the start of a tenancy.

At the end of the day, most landlords are quite reasonable.

Reasonable yes. But if you havent dealt with tenants before you wouldnt recognise the signs. I have an example. Had a tenant same thing. Carpet was dirty she said after signing contract. Said Id would have it cleaned. Like that been 'reasonable' still wasnt happy. So I had a new one installed. Then was the house wasnt clean enought... I paid them 200euros just to move on all was happy for a week or two. . Then the demands kept.coming. it was never ending. Just things werent adding up. Want was been said wasnt true. Of course the rent was the last thing on the tenants mind never paid on time.. All.in.all it cost me thousands with damage rubbish unpaid rent etc. . In short been reasonable gets landlords no where.. yes yes I know not all tenants are the sale but there are so many looking for properties now there s no reason to take a chance

Graham

handlemaster wrote: »

Reasonable yes. But if you havent dealt with tenants before you wouldnt recognise the signs.

I'd recognise it as a sign the tenant wanted a clean home. For most normal landlords that would be considered a good thing.

To suggest wanting a clean carpet is indicative of an unreasonable tenant is pretty absurd to be honest whatever your single personal experience might have you believe.

handlemaster

Graham wrote: »

handlemaster wrote: »

Reasonable yes. But if you havent dealt with tenants before you wouldnt recognise the signs.

I'd recognise it as a sign the tenant wanted a clean home. For most normal landlords that would be considered a good thing.

To suggest wanting a clean carpet is indicative of an unreasonable tenant is pretty absurd to be honest whatever your single personal experience might have you believe.

Your wrong. Normal. Landlords would see this as a trouble tenant.

K.Flyer

handlemaster wrote: »

Your wrong. Normal. Landlords would see this as a trouble tenant.

So you think its ok to try and let a dirty apartment, speaks volumes.

Graham

handlemaster wrote: »

Your wrong. Normal. Landlords would see this as a trouble tenant.

Obviously I can't speak to the 'normal landlords' you mix with but I can say none of the 'normal landlords' I've ever met would have had the slightest problem providing a clean property. I'd go further to say they would consider it part and parcel of being a professional landlord.

handlemaster

Graham wrote: »

handlemaster wrote: »

Your wrong. Normal. Landlords would see this as a trouble tenant.

Obviously I can't speak to the 'normal landlords' you mix with but I can say none of the 'normal landlords' I've ever met would have had the slightest problem providing a clean property. I'd go further to say they would consider it part and parcel of being a professional landlord.

True. I would however like to see what was not an.issue upon signing a contract now is. OP needs to upload a photo.

Mod Note / Edit

OP needs only to provide photographic evidence or otherwise to the landlord.
He/she is not obligated to upload a photo to boards.ie u less they want to themselves so please, do not ask them again to provide proof.

vectorvictor

handlemaster wrote: »

Your wrong. Normal. Landlords would see this as a trouble tenant.

This sums it up. Due to our memorable change of circumstances I have been in the position of being a tenant (currently) and landlord (previously).

Expectations are driven by circumstances. A tenant moving in sees it as their home. After a couple of days the excitement of the new home spots flaws and desires for perfection. Some get on with dealing with cosmetics themselves while others want it done for them because of their large monthly investment.

As a landlord I got requests ranging from cleaning the washing machine filter through to replacing bent headboards . My rule was necessary functionality not resulting from tenant damage is where my responsibility sits. If the jacks won't flush my responsibility, if they Rodger the **** out of the headboard it's on them.

Today as a tenant I've had a few occasions where I could have called the landlord (broken shower seal, leaking tap) but I spent the twenty quid myself to keep a reasonable relationship. I called once due to an electrical fault and I was thanked not chastised.

decky1

K.Flyer wrote: »

Are you serious?
Your daughter had to paint the place she was moving into?
That landlord had to be wetting himself laughing at her.
If she was in the place a couple of years I could understand if she wanted to brighten the place up, but if it was that bad that it needed painting from the get-go and the landlord handed her the paint for you to get on with, thats disgraceful.
Edit: unless she got a very decent discount off the first months rent?

She's not the sort to be moaning about everything just get's on with it so a few things may need fixing just fix them you don't need to run to the landlord for every little thing they'll soon get fed up with you in the end. Landlord seems to be a very fair guy came and done some major jobs beforehand.:rolleyes:

K.Flyer

decky1 wrote: »

She's not the sort to be moaning about everything just get's on with it so a few things may need fixing just fix them you don't need to run to the landlord for every little thing they'll soon get fed up with you in the end. Landlord seems to be a very fair guy came and done some major jobs beforehand.:rolleyes:

No, I didn't get the impression that she was.
It's just that all the L.L.s that I know, and its a lot, wouldn't hand their new tenants the paint to freshen up the place themselves as they moved in, it just sounded bizarre.
They are all very reasonable and have sent out tradesmen to repair even the simplest of things without batting an eye.
Its just given the cost of renting and the amount of almost interrogation that a potential tenant goes through nowadays, that the least one would expect is that the property is freshly cleaned, tidy and snagged for issues before letting.
This should be in turn reciprocated by the tenant in leaving the property in the same way as received, allowing for normal wear and tear.

NinetyTwoTeam

handlemaster wrote: »

One gets it returned from the landlord. And one can then take a hike with it

why are you being such a prīck?

I moved into a place once that had a large stain on the carpet.

As you suggested, I didn't make a fuss. I got a rug to cover the stain.

When I moved out the stain was blamed on me and the landlord took money from my security deposit for cleaning. The next tenant who moved in turned out to be the friend of a friend. I found out that, of course, the carpet had never been cleaned before she moved in two days after I left.

So it's not about being a pain to the landlord, it's also about stopping shysters ripping off every single tenant for something they didn't.

Graham

Mod Note

NinetyTwoTeam do not post in this thread again.

Captain Flaps

handlemaster wrote: »

Your wrong. Normal. Landlords would see this as a trouble tenant.

Aggressive, tenant-hating landlords with a massive chip on their shoulder you mean. I'm glad I've bought a house and can be well rid of such individuals.

Not really related, but when we viewed our last apartment, walls badly needed painting (not just usual wear and tear) and the landlord told me they'd be withholding the cost of getting that done from the last people's deposit and it would be completed by the time we moved in. That wasn't done, but it didn't bother me so much. What I did do was take photos of every single wall and email them to myself. We paid our rent on time every month and never asked for anything, other than replacing a broken washing machine the landlord didn't have to do a thing for us the whole time we were there.

30 months later we're moving out and the landlord says he's really not happy with the state of the walls and feels it's only fair that we pay to have the place painted from our deposit as he can't very well show it in its current state. Out comes the phone with the dated pictures, landlord isn't best pleased at all and wants to see the date on the email etc but eventually agrees to return full deposit. What do you think the chances are that the apartment is back on the market unpainted?