The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V3

eagle eye

Hazys wrote:

You'll never guess what college Ryan Fitzpatrick went to?

Yeah, we all know that one.

raze_them_all_

eagle eye wrote: »

I never knew and I watch more football than most people.

Did you ignore the sb run? They literally mentioned it 3-4 times a game. I think they even had one of those athlete body magazine covers or something like that. Edit for link

https://mobile.twitter.com/BriLuke14/status/879129293242216449?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-27514825133615695556.ampproject.net%2F1906111828200%2Fframe.html

eagle eye

raze_them_all_ wrote:

Did you ignore the sb run? They literally mentioned it 3-4 times a game. I think they even had one of those athlete body magazine covers or something like that. Edit for link

It's possible that I just tune it all out. I'm not into sports media, just sports. I'm very good.at tuning out when they start to go on about stuff which I don't think is relevant to the sport.

There was an onion article saying world cup champions husband wins regional tournament

BaronVon

Hazys wrote: »

You'll never guess what college Ryan Fitzpatrick went to?

And Chris Hogan played Lacrosse in college........:D

el Fenomeno

What round was Tom Brady selected in again?

eagle eye

el Fenomeno wrote:

What round was Tom Brady selected in again?

What pick was he???

VillaMad

11th pick in the Draft for the Cincinnati Bengals, OT Jonah Williams has had left shoulder surgery to repair a torn labrum. He is ruled out for the whole of the 2019 season.

Horrible luck for the Bengals.

Itssoeasy

VillaMad wrote: »

11th pick in the Draft for the Cincinnati Bengals, OT Jonah Williams has had left shoulder surgery to repair a torn labrum. He is ruled out for the whole of the 2019 season.

Horrible luck for the Bengals.

I watched total access and they had a graphic about non of the bengals first round pick since 2015 have played a full season. So different coaching staff, same bad luck.

Also, I agree with joe theisman about having Dwayne Haskins starting week 1 would not be good for him as it could have lasting damage to him both physically and mentally.

eagle eye

Itssoeasy wrote:

Also, I agree with joe theisman about having Dwayne Haskins starting week 1 would not be good for him as it could have lasting damage to him both physically and mentally.

Why would him starting be any different to any other rookie QB?

Guffy

eagle eye wrote: »

Why would him starting be any different to any other rookie QB?

Tbf I think the same is said for any other rookie qb bar the "generational" ones. Some just don't have the situation to allow them to sit

eagle eye

Guffy wrote:

Tbf I think the same is said for any other rookie qb bar the "generational" ones. Some just don't have the situation to allow them to sit

Well I think he is a generational one.

Christy42

Guffy wrote: »

Tbf I think the same is said for any other rookie qb bar the "generational" ones. Some just don't have the situation to allow them to sit

I think all QBs are better served holding back for a year. Might not be best for the coach/team which is why it doesn't happen. It can also make it harder to pick out a dud without game time.

Some are good enough to make it regardless after a bit but I am not sure they wouldn't be better off had they had a year of professional training first.

Guffy

eagle eye wrote: »

Well I think he is a generational one.

Ok...

I just answered your question as to Why it is different to any other rookie qb.

It's not. It's generally said about all rookie Qbs

Foxtrol

Christy42 wrote: »

I think all QBs are better served holding back for a year. Might not be best for the coach/team which is why it doesn't happen. It can also make it harder to pick out a dud without game time.

Some are good enough to make it regardless after a bit but I am not sure they wouldn't be better off had they had a year of professional training first.

I lean the other way. If you’ve spent an early pick on a QB and he’s the best QB on your roster, I generally don’t see the benefit of sitting them for a year. They’ll learn a lot more from seeing live in game action and practicing with the starters than a season spent mostly on the training field with the backups.

Obviously is they’re struggling to get up the playbook or can’t physically/mentally take the damage of the NFL in year 1 then they shouldn’t be put in that position, but then I’d also argue why the team spent an early pick on them.

Christy42

Foxtrol wrote: »

I lean the other way. If you’ve spent an early pick on a QB and he’s the best QB on your roster, I generally don’t see the benefit of sitting them for a year. They’ll learn a lot more from seeing live in game action and practicing with the starters than a season spent mostly on the training field with the backups.

Obviously is they’re struggling to get up the playbook or can’t physically/mentally take the damage of the NFL in year 1 then they shouldn’t be put in that position, but then I’d also argue why the team spent an early pick on them.

Aaron Rodgers was a good pick and didn't play for some time. I have no issue spending an early pick on a qb that sits for a year or two and then gives 15 great years. Not that I get any picks to use admittedly.

They can mix in and out with the starters in training. Their development should be a focus (if the team really believes they will work). They will likely be the back up and so will need to be heavily involved in the game plan.

1 year is also arbitrary. It will depend on the qb and the schemes they are used to as to how long you are willing to invest/how long they need on the sidelines.

The requirement for performance now seems to stop them getting a proper chance to iron out some bugs in their system.

Foxtrol

Christy42 wrote: »

Aaron Rodgers was a good pick and didn't play for some time. I have no issue spending an early pick on a qb that sits for a year or two and then gives 15 great years. Not that I get any picks to use admittedly.

Few people would say Rodgers was the best QB on that roster when he was drafted, which was a caveat to my post.

They can mix in and out with the starters in training. Their development should be a focus (if the team really believes they will work). They will likely be the back up and so will need to be heavily involved in the game plan.

With the limited number of practices there is little time to give backup QBs much time with the starters, especially when they aren’t expected to see game time or the team is in contention. They can shadow the game plan process but teams aren’t going to build one around them, like they would if the rookie was the starter.

1 year is also arbitrary. It will depend on the qb and the schemes they are used to as to how long you are willing to invest/how long they need on the sidelines.

The requirement for performance now seems to stop them getting a proper chance to iron out some bugs in their system.

They can iron out some bugs but then in year 2 (or whenever they’re dropped in) they’re basically rookies who then have to get up to speed with live NFL action. It’s a year of ironing out bugs vs a year of NFL experience and a QB that can help the team while on their rookie deal.

I don’t see how your claim that ‘all QBs are better served’, even looking just at last year do you really feel all of Mayfield, Allen, Darnold would be in a better situation going into next season if they had never had a snap last season?

Christy42

Foxtrol wrote: »

Few people would say Rodgers was the best QB on that roster when he was drafted, which was a caveat to my post.



With the limited number of practices there is little time to give backup QBs much time with the starters, especially when they aren’t expected to see game time or the team is in contention. They can shadow the game plan process but teams aren’t going to build one around them, like they would if the rookie was the starter.



They can iron out some bugs but then in year 2 (or whenever they’re dropped in) they’re basically rookies who then have to get up to speed with live NFL action. It’s a year of ironing out bugs vs a year of NFL experience and a QB that can help the team while on their rookie deal.

I don’t see how your claim that ‘all QBs are better served’, even looking just at last year do you really feel all of Mayfield, Allen, Darnold would be in a better situation going into next season if they had never had a snap last season?

I meant the QB was better served. I think the time off the pitch served Rodgers well. It might not be best for the team this season/coach (in general as they may get fired not going for a win now approach and leaving the better qb on the bench). That Rodgers couldn't justify a first team spot has little do with whether or not playing now was good for Rodgers at the time. I just mean that I would be happy with a qb that good even if he didn't play for a year or two.

Yes they will be going into season 2 as rookies essentially. So what, they have had practice against NFL level corners and with other NFL qbs/coaches/schemes so they are not complete rookies.

Hopefully they will have a long career. I am looking at a full career at though Brady/Mahomes have had incredible seasons coming in y2. Brady especially would have had a far worse career IMO had there not been starters better than him at the time as it forced him to work on his flaws (speed of release he mentioned as a big flaw in those days in an interview) instead of whatever schemes that Kansas city team (or whoever) were playing.

Honestly. Yeah I think Allen would have been far better off sitting out for his long term prospects. Wentz as well. Outside of injuries has flaws in his throw that could be ironed out but likely won't as he focuses on game to game.

Mayfield might be an exception we will see.

Itssoeasy

eagle eye wrote: »

Itssoeasy wrote:

Also, I agree with joe theisman about having Dwayne Haskins starting week 1 would not be good for him as it could have lasting damage to him both physically and mentally.

Why would him starting be any different to any other rookie QB?

Well, because I think unless a rookie QB is the second coming of joe Montana will a bit of time adjusting to life in the NFL and life in general not be a good thing ?

Also, Dwayne Haskins may be as you say a generational QB and if he is well the redskin fans can throw a party. He has also only started 14 games in college and has had less than six hundred attempts in total. That's a very small sample size and unless the redskins o-line is as watertight as Stevie wonder's band then Dwayne Haskins could possibly get up close and personal with the field conditions of many NFL stadiums. I think unless the redskins can be confident they can protect the kid then don't start him week 1 or at all this coming season.

SHOVELLER

Nice wee trip at the weekend to Richmond, VA and as we were drinking in the area strolled over to the Redskins training facility. The place is not exclusive to the Redskins though as there was a wedding there Saturday!

jack presley

Sure the Redskins only use that facility for the few weeks of training camp. Their in-season training is done in Ashburn.

Snyder got the city of Richmond to build it (at their expense) under the condition that the team uses it for training camp for X no of years. The rest of the year it’s used for all sorts.

Itssoeasy

I've been rewatching some games from last season and for some reason I can't shack the belief that the 49ers will make the playoffs this coming season. I can feel it in my waters as they say. I've no good reason for thinking it but I can't get rid of it.

Itssoeasy

I've been rewatching some games from last season and for some reason I can't shack the belief that the 49ers will make the playoffs this coming season. I can feel it in my waters as they say. I've no good reason for thinking it but I can't get rid of it.

adrian522

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I've been rewatching some games from last season and for some reason I can't shack the belief that the 49ers will make the playoffs this coming season. I can feel it in my waters as they say. I've no good reason for thinking it but I can't get rid of it.

Which games were you watching? The 49ers don't really have a secondary which will be a bit of an issue.

D9Male

If you had asked me to name teams that didn't need to bring in an expensive FA running back in the offseason, the 9ers would have been near the top of the list.

Matt Breida 5.3 yards per carry
Mostert with 7.2 yards per carry
Jerick McKinnon returning from injury
Kyle Juszcyk still doing his thing.

When you consider the gaps at safety in particular, it is weird that they didn't pull the trigger on a safety. They were sniffing around Earl Thomas, and had the sap space, so I don't really get it.

Something about Lynch makes me uneasy.

Foxtrol

D9Male wrote: »

If you had asked me to name teams that didn't need to bring in an expensive FA running back in the offseason, the 9ers would have been near the top of the list.

Matt Breida 5.3 yards per carry
Mostert with 7.2 yards per carry
Jerick McKinnon returning from injury
Kyle Juszcyk still doing his thing.

When you consider the gaps at safety in particular, it is weird that they didn't pull the trigger on a safety. They were sniffing around Earl Thomas, and had the sap space, so I don't really get it.

Something about Lynch makes me uneasy.

I can understand Coleman being deemed a luxury by some but with McKinnon still coming back from a very serious injury it is hard to bank on him being ready at the start of the season or to be the same player. Shanahan claimed that the loss of McKinnon ruined a lot of his game plan for the year, as the other RBs just didn’t have the same ability, and this signing is insurance against a repeat. $3.6m for Coleman is hardly that expensive.

Safety, and the secondary as a whole, is the big question for the team. I had hoped that they’d get Thomas but the deal he received just isn’t the type that the 49ers are making and given our injury profile paying big money to another guy who can’t seem to stay fit would not be ideal.

The front office made the same gamble on the Edge position last year and after that blowing up in their face they invested heavily this offseason. Hopefully it isnt a repeat.

el Fenomeno

Jared Lorenzen passed away today. He was only 38. That's really sad.

OOnegative

el Fenomeno wrote: »

Jared Lorenzen passed away today. He was only 38. That's really sad.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/jared-lorenzen-very-sick-battles-health-issues.amp

Poor man, won a SuperBowl ring as Eli’s backup if i’m correct.

Hococop

He got very heavy at the end of his career, I think he was trying to lose the weight but might have taken a toll on him, rip

raze_them_all_

Gronk is definately retired, seriously slimmed down and down big muscle mass