Total weapon joining team

Diceicle

I'm looking for some help in refining my thinking on a potential (but likely) situation where I work. I'll have to anonymize slightly but will elaborate as much as I can in further comments if needs be.

I've worked for my company and dept for a good number of years (lets say 8). I'm in Jnr-mid management type role. I've recently been moved to a much more technical DBA / Developer type role. Its a key role which involves supporting a key system and dashboard reporting on same. Not rocket science but comparatively complex.

We (the team) recently got wind of a new transfer into the team. This new team member would be of mid-manager level (but not a manager - about €8k more per annum than my own salary) and have a reputation as a complete victim:- Hypochondriac. Always whinging. Likely has some mental health issues (I say that sympathetically as possible). Frequently out sick. A number of red-flags basically.

This new team member would be taking up what is essentially a Secretay or personal assistant role. This role is traditionally done by an office junior.

How can I (or should I) have management take stock of the fact that I am in a more technical / key role on a lesser salary to someone who is basically answering the phone and checking emails and being put out to pasture?
Due to physical proximity I will likely be training and subbing for this person when they're absent.

Part of me says you cannot compare people. Different roles - different salaries and all that.
Yes, but janitors and engineers have different roles but the janitor is paid less than the engineer.

JackieChan

Personally I would just get on with the job at hand and do my best to help them into the new role.
This guy has been giving a relatively crap role (giving his level) so I would have some sympathy for him.
Normally a person will have leave a job when they can see there is no role there for them at a company - I've had to do this twice.
But I'm assuming this guy is probably older and probably a long serving member of staff.

Does he report into you or do you have any say over his duties?
Does his actions have any impact on the teams?

It#s just I've not come across dba/dev teams with a PA resource unless it is some type of ticket management.

davo10

If I were you, I would start by changing the title of this thread to "Im jealous that someone else is being paid more than me". I read the op expecting to be told about a difficult/spiteful/bully etc, instead the "weapon" seems to relate to the fact that your colleague may have health issues, and is being paid €8k more than you. Get on with your own job.

mada82

First world problems.

OMM 0000

You can ask for a raise, or move to a different company. Or you can try to get experience/skills/training/whatever you can, and then leave.

There will always be "less skilled" people earning more than you.

evolving_doors

A lot of the older manufacturing companies could have janitors on way more than incoming engineers (before the company started sub-contracting these roles).

anewme

Your post reads as bitchy negative and condescending.

Id be more worried if I were the new person, having to work with you given your attitude towards them.

Pre-judging someone based on “their reputation” is not healthy for your career and would be a major flaw for someone looking to move further into management.

I’d actually go a bit further and say anyone who casually describes a colleague as a weapon is unprofessional and needs to look at themselves.

Diceicle

JackieChan wrote: »

But I'm assuming this guy is probably older and probably a long serving member of staff.

Does he report into you or do you have any say over his duties?
Does his actions have any impact on the teams?

It#s just I've not come across dba/dev teams with a PA resource unless it is some type of ticket management.

Thanks for the reply.
No, they're roughly the same age as myself (probably early - mid 30's)
We're a relatively small team so they wouldn't report to me in any official capacity.
Their actions or lack thereof would ultimately mean someone else (me) would have to pick up the slack.

We're all part of a larger Marketing function. My colleague would be the PA to the Chief of Marketing. While I would have my own Snr Manager (located in a different office). As we are a small team and share a larger office it would be very difficult to maintain a chinese-wall in terms of duties, so to speak.

Diceicle

davo10 wrote: »

If I were you, I would start by changing the title of this thread to "Im jealous that someone else is being paid more than me". I read the op expecting to be told about a difficult/spiteful/bully etc, instead the "weapon" seems to relate to the fact that your colleague may have health issues, and is being paid €8k more than you. Get on with your own job.

Yeah, that was originally a draft title and would have opted for something a little more diplomatic - but here we are.
Jealous? Yeah, sure. I / we're jealous of lots of people when we get down to it. We all have flaws. My issue here is how to have management recognize that paying someone to answer the phone €60k and pay me €50k to maintain complex infrastructure. Maybe a better way of thinking about it is how can I use their overpayment-relative-to-duties to my advantage?

Diceicle

mada82 wrote: »

First world problems.

Low caliber posting.

Diceicle

OMM 0000 wrote: »

You can ask for a raise, or move to a different company. Or you can try to get experience/skills/training/whatever you can, and then leave.

There will always be "less skilled" people earning more than you.

Much appreciated.
I'm aware enough that I can't go to senior management whinging 'boo hoo they get more than me' - but I still need them to recognize the inherent unfairness (not sure if thats the correct term really) of the situation while also demonstrating my value to the company.

amcalester

What unfairness, you're Junior-Mid Management and she's Mid-Management, so she's senior to you.

That she's moving into a different role and keeping the terms & conditions that she's built up/acquired over the years is of no concern of yours. That is entirely between her and Management.

Diceicle

anewme wrote: »

Your post reads as bitchy negative and condescending.

Id be more worried if I were the new person, having to work with you given your attitude towards them.

Pre-judging someone based on “their reputation” is not healthy for your career and would be a major flaw for someone looking to move further into management.

I’d actually go a bit further and say anyone who casually describes a colleague as a weapon is unprofessional and needs to look at themselves.

Your post reads as bitchy negative and condescending.

I look at myself a lot, thanks.
I also have no real attitude towards them - you're reading into things that arent there. I've interacted with this person numerous times and am always respectful. If and when they join the team - I'll help them all that I can. I won't and can't however be their substitute when they're frequently out sick.

Glass fused light

Diceicle wrote: »

Yeah, that was originally a draft title and would have opted for something a little more diplomatic - but here we are.
Jealous? Yeah, sure. I / we're jealous of lots of people when we get down to it. We all have flaws. My issue here is how to have management recognize that paying someone to answer the phone €60k and pay me €50k to maintain complex infrastructure. Maybe a better way of thinking about it is how can I use their overpayment-relative-to-duties to my advantage?

First I would approach HR and discuss how everyone appears to know what salary people are on and suggest that the culture and handbook may need to be looked at in view of the new data protection rules and it's potential cost to the company.

Then realise the company had an option to manage this employee out but have chosen to redeploy instead. This says a lot about the value they placed on the employee and all employees in general.
If the redeployment is purely on friendship grounds,you making waves about could put a target on your back with senior managers who made the decision.

Diceicle

amcalester wrote: »

What unfairness, you're Junior-Mid Management and she's Mid-Management, so she's senior to you.

That she's moving into a different role and keeping the terms & conditions that she's built up/acquired over the years is of no concern of yours. That is entirely between her and Management.

Sorry, but you're wrong. Without getting into the weeds on it - I used that terminology to frame the scenario nothing more.
There is nothing management-esque about this person, their current role or their prospective future role.

miamee

Diceicle wrote: »

Yeah, that was originally a draft title and would have opted for something a little more diplomatic - but here we are.
Jealous? Yeah, sure. I / we're jealous of lots of people when we get down to it. We all have flaws. My issue here is how to have management recognize that paying someone to answer the phone €60k and pay me €50k to maintain complex infrastructure. Maybe a better way of thinking about it is how can I use their overpayment-relative-to-duties to my advantage?

There is a hell of a lot more to being a PA than "answering the phone". It is a job that is highly valued by those who need the services of a PA and this is reflected in the person's salary. By your own admission, your own job is "not rocket science".

Diceicle wrote: »

Much appreciated.
I'm aware enough that I can't go to senior management whinging 'boo hoo they get more than me' - but I still need them to recognize the inherent unfairness (not sure if thats the correct term really) of the situation while also demonstrating my value to the company.

Demonstrating your own calue and worthiness of a pay rise is all you need worry yourself about - forget what anyone else is doing or getting. Perhaps the other person is better at negotiating pay increases.

TallGlass

Just a question, how do you know how much they are paid to begin with.



Second, how do you know they have not renegotiated there terms and payment, to step down to a lower role with a drop in pay?

Diceicle

miamee wrote: »

There is a hell of a lot more to being a PA than "answering the phone". It is a job that is highly valued by those who need the services of a PA and this is reflected in the person's salary. By your own admission, your own job is "not rocket science".

Lets be real some PAs are just riding the phone and scheduling mails. Some of course are stellar and are key to an efficient office. This is not one of them. My job is miles more complex - apart from rocket science, whats hard as rocket science.

miamee wrote: »

Demonstrating your own calue and worthiness of a pay rise is all you need worry yourself about - forget what anyone else is doing or getting. Perhaps the other person is better at negotiating pay increases.

Its never really that simple though. And no, they are not better at negotiating.

Diceicle

OSI wrote: »

They're perfectly aware of the situation, and they're absolutely delighted that you're doing bugger all about it. Companies don't pay you what you're worth, they pay you what you're willing to accept. If you're perfectly happy so sit there doing infrastructure work for 50k a year, why would they pay you more?

Fair comment

Diceicle

TallGlass wrote: »

Just a question, how do you know how much they are paid to begin with.



Second, how do you know they have not renegotiated there terms and payment, to step down to a lower role with a drop in pay?

Good question. The organisation has bands of pay - say a 20k band.
So if you're a Marketing Executive I know to a 95% certainty you're paid between 60 and 80k (you may have bonuses / allowances etc that I'd be unaware of) - if you're in the company for a considerable period at that Exec role - it would also be a fair assumption you're on the 80 rather than nearer the 60.

Fair comment. That would have to come to light - and would be fair enough - though would be somewhat unusual. It would be fair to say that this person is of a somewhat introvert personality-type, so I would be absolutely astounded to find out they are a ruthless negotiator and additionally astounded as to what leverage they brought to gain the upper hand in that negotiation - perfectly nice person for a quick chat mind.

mada82

Just because your job is harder doesn’t mean the company actually value the job you do. Maybe they see the job you do as an expense that’s necessary but one they’d rather not have.

If you are unhappy that someone earns more than you then you are the problem not the other person. Direct your anger somewhere contrictive and negotiate a better salary there or somewhere else. Don’t let other people’s salaries concern you.

If they ring in sick a lot that’s the bosses issue to resolve. Maybe that person has genuine health issues and they are trying there best hold down their job to pay the bills. Poor health can happen anyone at anytime.

Diceicle

mada82 wrote: »

Just because your job is harder doesn’t mean the company actually value the job you do. Maybe they see the job you do as an expense that’s necessary but one they’d rather not have.

Highly unlikely. The system we use/have/built gives the company greater insights into the marketplace and helps identify new areas of expenditure and savings for a host of Senior Mangement - as well as internal and external customers. We're expaning the project if anything.

mada82 wrote: »

If you are unhappy that someone earns more than you then you are the problem not the other person. Direct your anger somewhere contrictive and negotiate a better salary there or somewhere else. Don’t let other people’s salaries concern you.

Lots wrong here. Firstly, my issue is more in terms with the lack of insight displayed by management as to the impact and message of bringing this person in sends to the larger team. I'm looking to demonstrate to management the complexity of my role and how paying someone 10k more to answer the phone isn't sustainable or even fair. Though I have to be tactically smart about it - hence the posting.
Angry? Nope. I may feel agrieved or undervalued. I worked hard to get to do what I do. Now they're throwing similar and more money at lesser skilled people. Its disheartening, possibly even insulting. But not anger inducing. What may be anger inducing is having to carry dead-weight that is not earning their keep and I'm having to pick up the slack.

mada82 wrote: »

If they ring in sick a lot that’s the bosses issue to resolve. Maybe that person has genuine health issues and they are trying there best hold down their job to pay the bills. Poor health can happen anyone at anytime.

If they ring in sick it becomes my problem. This person and I were talking he other day. Asked them how they're getting on. They say, 'oh, yeah, I was due to pop over to you guys to start some training tomorrow but I'm going sick so wont be able to make it......'

anewme

Your problem lies with yourself.

You have been told many times here to mind your own business and concern yourself with your own job.

To keep repeating that someone is paid 10k more than you just to answer the phone shows how dismissive you are of others and their role on the team. Someone who does not value others bring nothing to a team only negative energy and disagreements.

If a person is is paid 10k more than you just to answer the phone, you are clearly overestimating your own contribution. Maybe you are not contributing as much as you think. ?

gwalk

Diceicle wrote: »

perfectly nice person

"Total Weapon" in thread title... I'd hate to work with someone like you

professore

If you were worth more to the company you would be paid more. Either you are happy to stay out of some weird idea of "fairness" that doesn't exist in the corporate world - you get paid as little as they can get away with paying you.

So leave and get paid what you are worth and stop whining. It's survival of the fittest and rightly so. Or maybe this person knows some dirt on senior management and they have to keep them sweet.

If you really are that valuable they will jump through hoops to keep you.

Turkish1

Diceicle wrote: »

Good question. The organisation has bands of pay - say a 20k band.
So if you're a Marketing Executive I know to a 95% certainty you're paid between 60 and 80k (you may have bonuses / allowances etc that I'd be unaware of) - if you're in the company for a considerable period at that Exec role - it would also be a fair assumption you're on the 80 rather than nearer the 60.

Fair comment. That would have to come to light - and would be fair enough - though would be somewhat unusual. It would be fair to say that this person is of a somewhat introvert personality-type, so I would be absolutely astounded to find out they are a ruthless negotiator and additionally astounded as to what leverage they brought to gain the upper hand in that negotiation - perfectly nice person for a quick chat mind.

So you are making about 5 seperate assumptions around this person and their role to estimate that they are making about 10k more than you are. So really you have no clue as to the value or structure of their package. From working within finance in a number of companies i can tell you that the ranges of pay for similar jobs can be quite simply astonishing.

You are constantly talking down about their abilities having never worked directly with them while bigging up your own abilities.

You claim they will essentially be answering a phone all day and that they will be a PA to an exec you dont report to. Yet when they will be out sick you will have to pick up the slack? So you will be answering calls, scheduling meetings etc.. for an exec that you dont report to? Or are you perhaps not really giving a fair reflection on one or both roles.

Focus on doing your job and go ask for an increase if you think it is warranted. If it is refused, go to the market and see what you are worth - if it is €10k more then move. If not, you will at least know your worth and may be a bit more content in your role.

Quite frankly your posts come across as jealous and bitter

Diceicle

gwalk wrote: »

"Total Weapon" in thread title... I'd hate to work with someone like you

Like you have a job.

Diceicle

anewme wrote: »

Your problem lies with yourself.

You have been told many times here to mind your own business and concern yourself with your own job.

To keep repeating that someone is paid 10k more than you just to answer the phone shows how dismissive you are of others and their role on the team. Someone who does not value others bring nothing to a team only negative energy and disagreements.

If a person is is paid 10k more than you just to answer the phone, you are clearly overestimating your own contribution. Maybe you are not contributing as much as you think. ?

'Mind your own business' is terrible advice provided by low-caliber types. Its perfectly reasonable to highlight a discrepancy in the value being attributed to a post. I knew when posting I'd get a few of these nonsense, white-knight type posts but anyone posting this rubbish advice is wasting their time. I'm not taking that guff to work - I want to get advice on practical ways to approach management on this issue and improve my lot - nothing else.

Turkish1

Diceicle wrote: »

Like you have a job.

There is definitely one total weapon involved in this situation anyway

Glass fused light

Diceicle wrote: »

Highly unlikely. The system we use/have/built gives the company greater insights into the marketplace and helps identify new areas of expenditure and savings for a host of Senior Mangement - as well as internal and external customers. We're expaning the project if anything.

You have not made a connection here to your job?

Diceicle wrote: »

Lots wrong here. Firstly, my issue is more in terms with the lack of insight displayed by management as to the impact and message of bringing this person in sends to the larger team. I'm looking to demonstrate to management the complexity of my role and how paying someone 10k more to answer the phone isn't sustainable or even fair. Though I have to be tactically smart about it - hence the posting.
Angry? Nope. I may feel agrieved or undervalued. I worked hard to get to do what I do. Now they're throwing similar and more money at lesser skilled people. Its disheartening, possibly even insulting. But not anger inducing.

The management have demonstrated that they value the employee and that they are willing to pay that employee 10k more than your role. Sorry but you are not going to be tactical or smart when pushing any comparison between your role and the other employees role the senior managers would have already discussed this when authorising the move.

Diceicle wrote: »

What may be anger inducing is having to carry dead-weight that is not earning their keep and I'm having to pick up the slack.

Why. If this is currently not part of your role why would management push additional junior role tasks over to you.

Diceicle wrote: »

If they ring in sick it becomes my problem. This person and I were talking he other day. Asked them how they're getting on. They say, 'oh, yeah, I was due to pop over to you guys to start some training tomorrow but I'm going sick so wont be able to make it......'

^ to me indicates that it's possible that the employee is in scheduled treatments.

Diceicle

professore wrote: »

If you were worth more to the company you would be paid more. Either you are happy to stay out of some weird idea of "fairness" that doesn't exist in the corporate world - you get paid as little as they can get away with paying you.

Working on that bit. Its not to say there are no upcoming opportunities within the dept. / business - in all probability I'll have surpassed the 'newbie' in a few months.

professore wrote: »

So leave and get paid what you are worth and stop whining. It's survival of the fittest and rightly so. Or maybe this person knows some dirt on senior management and they have to keep them sweet. .

Middle parts correct. Last sentence is off the wall.

professore wrote: »

If you really are that valuable they will jump through hoops to keep you.

They would tbf, and to a limit, obviously. But first I need leverage or a strategy to enable management to rectify things. Hence my post here - also posted as I knew the holier than thou brigade would be frothing.

davo10

Op, you are not doing yourself any favours with your replies, right now the "weapon" looks good and you are coming across as a disgruntled plonker.

gwalk

Diceicle wrote: »

Like you have a job.

I do, thank you for your concern though

Turkish1

Diceicle wrote: »

'Mind your own business' is terrible advice provided by low-caliber types. Its perfectly reasonable to highlight a discrepancy in the value being attributed to a post. I knew when posting I'd get a few of these nonsense, white-knight type posts but anyone posting this rubbish advice is wasting their time. I'm not taking that guff to work - I want to get advice on practical ways to approach management on this issue and improve my lot - nothing else.

So you have addressed none of the post just ranting.

Fact of the matter is - you dont know what they are paid and so have no idea the value the organisation is getting from that person.

Here is some practical advise:
Go interview for other similar jobs (or a level higher if you can) to find your worth.
Go to management and show your value to the company and outline your case for a raise
If no response, outline the new offer you have recieved.
You will either get a counter offer or be let walk.

My guess, based on the attitude you have shown in this thread is they will be only too delighted to see you go.

Diceicle

Turkish1 wrote: »

So you are making about 5 seperate assumptions around this person and their role to estimate that they are making about 10k more than you are. So really you have no clue as to the value or structure of their package. From working within finance in a number of companies i can tell you that the ranges of pay for similar jobs can be quite simply astonishing.

I can tell you to an almost certainty what they earn. Thats a pure fact. As I@ve said already, they may have a couple of extras I wouldn't be aware of - but my figure is accruate.

Turkish1 wrote: »

You are constantly talking down about their abilities having never worked directly with them while bigging up your own abilities.

This is to emphasise complexities of role v salary - i'm an objective person (I think) - this person may be a whizz in their current role. To be honest, I'd say theyre fairly competent - but they would also be someone you might describe as fragile. As I'm the one on this thread who actually knows this person (as much as we know any person in work) you'll just have to take my opinion here.

Turkish1 wrote: »

You claim they will essentially be answering a phone all day and that they will be a PA to an exec you dont report to. Yet when they will be out sick you will have to pick up the slack? So you will be answering calls, scheduling meetings etc.. for an exec that you dont report to? Or are you perhaps not really giving a fair reflection on one or both roles.

Ok, we're on a forum and I dont want to write, and you probably have better things to do than read the minutae of how my office functions and the departments interact. But essentially, they will be PA to the head of Marketing, I working in a Marketing-ICT function and report to head of Marketing ICT - ultimately we ALL report to the head of marketing. We (team) share an office. Head Boss' PA Phone rings. Someone has to get it. He needs a meeting scheduled / Conf call set up / CFO has to be followed up with - someones gotta do it, right?

Turkish1 wrote: »

Focus on doing your job and go ask for an increase if you think it is warranted. If it is refused, go to the market and see what you are worth - if it is €10k more then move. If not, you will at least know your worth and may be a bit more content in your role.

Fair, albeit obvious. But thanks anyway.

Turkish1 wrote: »

Quite frankly your posts come across as jealous and bitter

Doesnt bother me what strangers on the internet think tbh.
Jealous? No. Feeling undervalued? Possibly. Bitter? Not sure what this means.

Diceicle

Glass fused light wrote: »

You have not made a connection here to your job?


The management have demonstrated that they value the employee and that they are willing to pay that employee 10k more than your role. Sorry but you are not going to be tactical or smart when pushing any comparison between your role and the other employees role the senior managers would have already discussed this when authorising the move.




Why. If this is currently not part of your role why would management push additional junior role tasks over to you.


^ to me indicates that it's possible that the employee is in scheduled treatments.

Thanks. Good post and some fair points there.
I need / want to find a way of demonstrating value.
You're first point around my role -descriptor makes me think I need to work on my own 'pitch' as to what I do.
Re: pushing of Jnr roles to other - its sort of a culture / office size thing. Always was like that.

fritzelly

OP sounds more like craving for support for their feelings of inadequacy due to a wage difference they feel is unjustified by garnishing (as is usual with these types of posts) all the bad things they think exist with the other employee.

Obviously your are being paid enough to stay in the job so what is the real problem?

listermint

So wait your running dB scripts for some dashboards for a marketing company.

And this is overtly technical.

Not to diminish the job spec OP but that is about a mornings work for a DBA. I wouldn't be complaining about the other person's level of work load.

Diceicle

davo10 wrote: »

Op, you are not doing yourself any favours with your replies, right now the "weapon" looks good and you are coming across as a disgruntled plonker.

This will not keep me awake tonight.
Look, I know boardsies like to play arm-chair psychologist fairly frequently and read into things that simply aren't there - I also cannot afford the time or effort to write massively detailed posts - its the medium we're on and we have to deal with it. So some of my short-hand may be a little salty at times - but here we are. It keeps the forum active at least.....
So, to summarize - I (by and large) like my job. I dislike that someone can walk in with less skills and get paid more through no fault of mine and certainly nothing theyre bringing to the table. There are other factors at play here we haven't got into and I've chosen not to divulge as its not the type of info I was seeking.
I want tactics or strategies to use to improve my lot - practical stuff but as expected am getting an abundance of the usual limp-wristed, 'mind your business' guff from low-caliber types.

Diceicle

gwalk wrote: »

I do, thank you for your concern though

After this interaction it is unlikely I will ever think of you again.

fritzelly

Diceicle wrote: »

I want tactics or strategies to use to improve my lot

Simple question with a simple answer - if the company wont pay you what you want or think you are worth then find another company.

DBA's are a pound a penny these days - you're job isn't what it might have been many years ago

anewme

Diceicle wrote: »

Doesnt bother me what strangers on the internet think tbh.
Jealous? No. Feeling undervalued? Possibly. Bitter? Not sure what this means.

Then why ask strangers in the internet for their opinion?

Getting ratty when you don’t like the answers shows your complete lack of self awareness.

The best advice is for you is to stay away from Management and build up your own credibility and get some personal coaching.

Any Manager worth their salt would be able to read your hostility and you would do yourself more harm than good.

Your comments indicate you need a fair amount of work on developing your EQ and you are not ready to progress.

Diceicle

fritzelly wrote: »

OP sounds more like craving for support for their feelings of inadequacy due to a wage difference they feel is unjustified by garnishing (as is usual with these types of posts) all the bad things they think exist with the other employee.

Obviously your are being paid enough to stay in the job so what is the real problem?

Boardsies sure do love being condescending. Are you this condescending in real life or just on the internet?
I have flaws. Some of them demonstrated on this thread, no doubt - but thats generally in response to some idiot - so I tend to be a bit salty.
I'm paid ok relative to the role - probably market rate give or take. The real problem if you are actually interested and as I think I've outlined - is paying a premium for low skill.

Turkish1

Diceicle wrote: »

I can tell you to an almost certainty what they earn. Thats a pure fact. As I@ve said already, they may have a couple of extras I wouldn't be aware of - but my figure is accruate.


This is to emphasise complexities of role v salary - i'm an objective person (I think) - this person may be a whizz in their current role. To be honest, I'd say theyre fairly competent - but they would also be someone you might describe as fragile. As I'm the one on this thread who actually knows this person (as much as we know any person in work) you'll just have to take my opinion here.

Ok, we're on a forum and I dont want to write, and you probably have better things to do than read the minutae of how my office functions and the departments interact. But essentially, they will be PA to the head of Marketing, I working in a Marketing-ICT function and report to head of Marketing ICT - ultimately we ALL report to the head of marketing. We (team) share an office. Head Boss' PA Phone rings. Someone has to get it. He needs a meeting scheduled / Conf call set up / CFO has to be followed up with - someones gotta do it, right?

Fair, albeit obvious. But thanks anyway.

Doesnt bother me what strangers on the internet think tbh.
Jealous? No. Feeling undervalued? Possibly. Bitter? Not sure what this means.

You say the approach is obvious (re going to the market) so why arent you doing so? Or perhaps you have but not mentioned it - if so how did you fare?

Bitter - I mean your whole attitute here seems to show resentment towards someone who has worked themselves into a more advantageous position than you in the workplace (at least financially) while seemingly being obviously inferior to you. Overall this type of resentment can be commonly referred to as being 'bitter'.

So can you clarify why this person is a total weapon? So far you have said they are perfectly nice to talk to, competent in their current role and have a history of being sick. Perhaps i missed something but IMO they are not the criteria that would classify someone as a total weapon.

Diceicle

listermint wrote: »

So wait your running dB scripts for some dashboards for a marketing company.

And this is overtly technical.

Not to diminish the job spec OP but that is about a mornings work for a DBA. I wouldn't be complaining about the other person's level of work load.

No. That's not what I do.
Its more akin to DBA type work.

Glass fused light

Diceicle wrote: »

Ok, we're on a forum and I dont want to write, and you probably have better things to do than read the minutae of how my office functions and the departments interact. But essentially, they will be PA to the head of Marketing, I working in a Marketing-ICT function and report to head of Marketing ICT - ultimately we ALL report to the head of marketing. We (team) share an office.

If you are not front line client facing marketing your role is a cost to the marketing department, the PA role benefits by directly supporting the client facing role.

Diceicle wrote: »

Head Boss' PA Phone rings. Someone has to get it. He needs a meeting scheduled / Conf call set up / CFO has to be followed up with - someones gotta do it, right?

But unless it's assigned to you it's your choice.

gwalk

Diceicle wrote: »

After this interaction it is unlikely I will ever think of you again.

And yet you felt the need to reply 😘

fritzelly

Diceicle wrote: »

I'm paid ok relative to the role - probably market rate give or take. The real problem if you are actually interested and as I think I've outlined - is paying a premium for low skill.

What someone else is paid is no business of yours, you admit you are paid the going rate - why do you think you should be paid more when they could hire someone else tomorrow for the same wage (and probably less)

PA roles are generally well paid positions just due to the nature of the job

listermint

Diceicle wrote: »

No. That's not what I do.
Its more akin to DBA type work.

Youve dressed it like your an extremely green DBA salary increases don't even appear to be a valid request given your greeness.

It sounds like your actually only figuring out the DBA role and moved from some other skillset.

If however you were a mid or senior level DBA you might have a point. It seems you don't given current information

davo10

Diceicle wrote: »

This will not keep me awake tonight.
Look, I know boardsies like to play arm-chair psychologist fairly frequently and read into things that simply aren't there - I also cannot afford the time or effort to write massively detailed posts - its the medium we're on and we have to deal with it. So some of my short-hand may be a little salty at times - but here we are. It keeps the forum active at least.....
So, to summarize - I (by and large) like my job. I dislike that someone can walk in with less skills and get paid more through no fault of mine and certainly nothing theyre bringing to the table. There are other factors at play here we haven't got into and I've chosen not to divulge as its not the type of info I was seeking.
I want tactics or strategies to use to improve my lot - practical stuff but as expected am getting an abundance of the usual limp-wristed, 'mind your business' guff from low-caliber types.

The yanks would say you "doubled down" on this post,

Diceicle

anewme wrote: »

Then why ask strangers in the internet for their opinion?

Getting ratty when you don’t like the answers shows your complete lack of self awareness.

The best advice is for you is to stay away from Management and build up your own credibility as get some personal coaching.

Any Manager worth their salt would be able to read your hostility and you would do yourself more harm than good.

Your comments indicate you need a fair amount of work on developing your EQ and you are not ready to progress.

Unless my phrasing was off / I didn't make myself clear - I didnt want opinions per se. Tactics was what I craved.
I get ratty when people are being a-holes. Can't help it. Would have been happy to have polite interactions without the attacks - already pointed out the 'weapon' in the title was a mistake on my part - that was meant to be a working title.

Any Manager worth their salt would be able to read your hostility and you would do yourself more harm than good.

Jesus Christ, you dont think I go on like this in work do you? I wouldn't have a job. Are you always the same all the time? Work-wise I would be described as polite and hard working(I imagine)

Your comments indicate you need a fair amount of work on developing your EQ and you are not ready to progress.

See above.