Morton Games 2018

RayCun

http://mortongames.ie/

This Thursday in Santry stadium

6.30 Aon Men’s 100 – qualifying race 1

6.38 Aon Men’s 100 – qualifying race 2

6.44 Men’s 800 Wheelchair

6.50 Junior Men’s Mile (sponsored by Harrier Products)

7.00 Juvenile 16 x 100 (1 Mile) relay (sponsored by Harrier Products)

7.10 IMC Women’s 800 (Sponsored by Dublin Front Runners)

7.16 IMC Men’s 800 (Sponsored by Investec)

7.24 Men’s 400B

7.30 Opening of International Event

7.32 JWT Folk Women’s 400

7.41 Loki Sport Men’s 400

7.50 Aon Women’s 100

7.59 Aon Men’s 100

8.08 Albie Thomas Memorial 5000 (sponsored by Dublin Athletics Board)

8.28 Hireco Women’s 1500

8.37 Men’s 800

8.46 Dublin Marathon Women’s 800

9.00 Morton Mile (sponsored by Behan & Associates/Commercial Hygiene Services)


Field Events

7.35 Men`s Javelin (Sponsored by Fashionflo)

7.40 Women`s High Jump (Sponsored by Last Lap Café)

The highlight of the evening will of course be Brothers Pearse running in the juvenile relay, but if you miss that, don't despair!

Sarah Healy is running in the 1500

The 5000 will feature Stephen Scullion, and several international athletes also chasing the European championship qualifying time.

Phil Healy and Catherine McManus in the 400, racing Maggie Barrie (PB 51:36)

Brian Gregan is injured, but there are two sub 45 runners in the men's 400

Testosterscone

Mens mile will see Travers and Tobin line up against Lopez Lomong former US 1500m champion (current 10,000m champion) a 3.51 men at his best over the mile.

800m should be a good one on womens side two with Siofra, Mooney and Mageean going head to head.

HelenAnne

I won't make it this year as I have a clashing event (a literary one - I don't do anything apart from books & running, apparently), but it's always great!

The sprints are always so exciting, and I'd love to see Ciara Mageean & Síofra C-B in the same race.

People should definitely go up if they get a chance. Bring a picnic dinner & make an evening of it!

pconn062

Thursday? For feck sake. Booked time off work for Wednesday in order to get up. Really annoying the way they keep changing the day it's on. I know I should check but just assumed it was a Wednesday again. Won't be going now.

Chivito550

HelenAnne wrote: »

I won't make it this year as I have a clashing event (a literary one - I don't do anything apart from books & running, apparently), but it's always great!

The sprints are always so exciting, and I'd love to see Ciara Mageean & Síofra C-B in the same race.

People should definitely go up if they get a chance. Bring a picnic dinner & make an evening of it!

Good meet, but this is an area that could be improved. The catering options are dire there. Would be great to have proper hot food and BBQ type options like you get at meets on the continent. Being able to buy beer and bring it track side would be nice too.

Birdie Num Num

pconn062 wrote: »

Thursday? For feck sake. Booked time off work for Wednesday in order to get up. Really annoying the way they keep changing the day it's on. I know I should check but just assumed it was a Wednesday again. Won't be going now.

I assumed it would be back to Friday again. Although it was advertised as Thursday 19th for some time now. I guess diamond leagues Friday 20th and Saturday 21st don't help with scheduling and trying to attract big names. Website could do with some improvements. Can't use it on the phone.

YFlyer

Birdie Num Num wrote: »

I assumed it would be back to Friday again. Although it was advertised as Thursday 19th for some time now. I guess diamond leagues Friday 20th and Saturday 21st don't help with scheduling and trying to attract big names. Website could do with some improvements. Can't use it on the phone.

The Diamond League selected athletes won't be racing in the Morton Games.

Testosterscone

YFlyer wrote: »

Birdie Num Num wrote: »

I assumed it would be back to Friday again. Although it was advertised as Thursday 19th for some time now. I guess diamond leagues Friday 20th and Saturday 21st don't help with scheduling and trying to attract big names. Website could do with some improvements. Can't use it on the phone.

The Diamond League selected athletes won't be racing in the Morton Games.

Pretty sure they have in the past, you jave also had years where Morton Mile was actually a faster race than the DL Mile (I believe the year Leer won it was 3rd fastest mile race in the world that year)

Birdie Num Num

YFlyer wrote: »

The Diamond League selected athletes won't be racing in the Morton Games.

Not sure I follow. Because the scheduling clashes or because diamond league athletes don't run Morton games? English, Barr, Mageean, Bishop, Blake, Blankenship, Buckman, Centrowitz, Lacaze, Leer ...?

YFlyer

Birdie Num Num wrote: »

Not sure I follow. Because the scheduling clashes or because diamond league athletes don't run Morton games? English, Barr, Mageean, Bishop, Blake, Blankenship, Buckman, Centrowitz, Lacaze, Leer ...?

Had they competed in a Diamond League meet either a day or two days after competing at the Morton Games?

Birdie Num Num

YFlyer wrote: »

Had they competed in a Diamond League meet either a day or two days after competing at the Morton Games?

Which brings us back to my original post. ...and to answer your question, I don't know.

Chivito550

YFlyer wrote: »

Had they competed in a Diamond League meet either a day or two days after competing at the Morton Games?

I remember English running the Diamond League the day after Morton. Can’t remember which year.

Faugheen

Phil Healy is running 400 at Morton then the 4x100 at the Diamond League.

She's with Gina, Neville and Patience Jumbo-Gula in that 4x100 too

Birdie Num Num

Faugheen wrote: »

Phil Healy is running 400 at Morton then the 4x100 at the Diamond League.

She's with Gina, Neville and Patience Jumbo-Gula in that 4x100 too

Ryan Gregson 800 Morton, 1500 London.

...Weather should be good for fast running tomorrow night. Warm, not too warm, dry by the looks of it but might get a little breezy evening. Hopefully not too breezy.

YFlyer

Faugheen wrote: »

Phil Healy is running 400 at Morton then the 4x100 at the Diamond League.

She's with Gina, Neville and Patience Jumbo-Gula in that 4x100 too

Great chance for the National Senior relay record to go.

Birdie Num Num

YFlyer wrote: »

Great chance for the National Senior relay record to go.

Yeah should be interesting. Wonder how they will line up. Presuming Gina goes 2nd and Ciara 3rd (but maybe not) does Patience or Phil anchor. Molly Scott was lightening out of the blocks in Tampere.

Tom Barr in 400H in London should be good watching too.

Pherekydes

Birdie Num Num wrote: »

Yeah should be interesting. Wonder how they will line up. Presuming Gina goes 2nd and Ciara 3rd (but maybe not) does Patience or Phil anchor. Molly Scott was lightening out of the blocks in Tampere.

Tom Barr in 400H in London should be good watching too.

Seeing as Phil is replacing Molly she should run the first leg and the others can stay the same. Healy's the fastest by a good margin so it makes sense to put her on the longest leg.


(awaits onslaught )

Chivito550

Birdie Num Num wrote: »

Yeah should be interesting. Wonder how they will line up. Presuming Gina goes 2nd and Ciara 3rd (but maybe not) does Patience or Phil anchor. Molly Scott was lightening out of the blocks in Tampere.

Tom Barr in 400H in London should be good watching too.

Be interesting to see how they line out in Berlin. Joan Healy will be in the mix, as is Amy Foster (though she doesn't seem to run many relays for whatever reason).

They should be targeting a place in the final in Berlin.

Faugheen

Birdie Num Num wrote: »

YFlyer wrote: »

Great chance for the National Senior relay record to go.

Yeah should be interesting. Wonder how they will line up. Presuming Gina goes 2nd and Ciara 3rd (but maybe not) does Patience or Phil anchor. Molly Scott was lightening out of the blocks in Tampere.

Tom Barr in 400H in London should be good watching too.

I think putting Healy on the first leg would be a waste. She's our fastest runner and should be anywhere else other than the start.

Neville to lead because I think she's the next best starter after Molly. Keep Gina in second, then Healy's 200m experience to tackle the bend and leaving Jumbo-Gula to finish.

TheBigGreen

Is it live on the telly or live streamed somewhere?

Testosterscone

TheBigGreen wrote: »

Is it live on the telly or live streamed somewhere?

Flotrack subscribers can access it

https://www.flotrack.org/events/6213277-2018-morton-games

Alternatively cheaper and more atmosphere by going if you can

Testosterscone

Faugheen wrote: »

Phil Healy is running 400 at Morton then the 4x100 at the Diamond League.

Just been added to the DL 100m as well

https://london.diamondleague.com/en/lists_results_london/?eventId=d8f40699-b3fb-40d3-8485-9f6444692c53&eventStart=2018-07-21T14%3A15%3A00%2B01%3A00&tx_diamondrace_diamondleaguestatistics%5Baction%5D=showEntries&tx_diamondrace_diamondleaguestatistics%5Bcontroller%5D=DiamondLeagueStatistics&cHash=3a2ffb429a62e72eef67916b2b9d3404

Testosterscone

Start lists

deisedude

Testosterscone wrote: »

Flotrack subscribers can access it

https://www.flotrack.org/events/6213277-2018-morton-games

Alternatively cheaper and more atmosphere by going if you can

Do you know if you can watch it back after the livestream is over? I've training tonight myself.

YFlyer

Live stream here

http://mortongames.ie/

nevan

Livestream is live now. From the front page it’s the “Livestream Ireland and Europe” image link. Doesn’t work on Mac Safari for me though.

Pherekydes

Made it!

YFlyer

Picture and sound are out of sync.

YFlyer

Did they cut in too soon?

munsterlegend

It's on free sports live which you can tune into the sky box anyway.

Chivito550

Whoever they got to operate the live stream must be the cheapest of the cheap. Cuts out, buffers, stops and doesn’t continue. Rewinds back 2 seconds every 6-7 seconds. I’ve seen about 5 minutes in the last 30 mins and just giving up now.

Anyone else having same problems?

YFlyer

Mark English dropped out.

YFlyer

Anyone else live stream go down now?

Edit: its back

Murph_D

Never worked for me, but crappy broadband where I am so not a surprise.

Amirani

Scullion 7th in the 5000m with a 13:50:04.

YFlyer

Stream for the mile is a disaster.

Chivito550

Tonight 9 men ran sub 1:48.31 for 800m at the Morton Games, the 800m equivalent of the sub 4 minute mile. Not sure why, in 2018, such a disproportionate level of importance is placed on the sub 4 minute mile.

Might not be a popular opinion, but the sub 4 minute mile is not hugely relevant in modern athletics. The 1500m equivalent wouldn’t qualify you for a European Championships.

RayCun

It's a round number.

It didn't look like English was injured, more that he picked it up at his usual spot but couldn't hold it for more than a few seconds. But maybe it was pain, but not a sudden pull.

Good run from Mageean, nice to see her recovering some form.

Hard Worker

Chivito550 wrote: »

Tonight 9 men ran sub 1:48.31 for 800m at the Morton Games, the 800m equivalent of the sub 4 minute mile. Not sure why, in 2018, such a disproportionate level of importance is placed on the sub 4 minute mile.

Might not be a popular opinion, but the sub 4 minute mile is not hugely relevant in modern athletics. The 1500m equivalent wouldn’t qualify you for a European Championships.

Tradition.
The whole event is built around the Morton Mile. For many years, it was just the Morton Mile.

Chivito550

Hard Worker wrote: »

Tradition.
The whole event is built around the Morton Mile. For many years, it was just the Morton Mile.

Yeh the mile is built around male nostalgia. So many great stories over the distance down the years, both in Ireland, and abroad. The women's mile is just another event because it doesn't have the history.

But the hype around having so many people sub 4 in a certain race these days seems over the top. For a race of the quality of the Morton Mile, you'd expect most competitors these days to be getting under 4 minutes, just like you'd expect most 800m runners in this kind of meet to be running under 1:48.3.

A round number it may be, but it is a very dated standard.

RayCun

Chivito550 wrote: »

The women's mile is just another event because it doesn't have the history.

But the hype around having so many people sub 4 in a certain race these days seems over the top. For a race of the quality of the Morton Mile, you'd expect most competitors these days to be getting under 4 minutes

A sub 2 800 for women has a similar ring to it, or a sub 4 1500.

There are about 50 Irish men who have ever run under 4 minutes for the mile. That's a pretty exclusive club to join. And it sounds more impressive than 1:48.3 because 1:48.3 is so obviously arbitrary.

chasingpaper

Joe Bloggs understands a sub 4 mile and sub 10s 100m, so from marketing perspective it makes sense to promote it. The general public has no concept of what an elite performance is in most events. I think I heard Joe Rogan waffling on about the Boston Marathon a few weeks ago and he thought the men's winning time was 3hours!

Chivito550

RayCun wrote: »

A sub 2 800 for women has a similar ring to it, or a sub 4 1500.

There are about 50 Irish men who have ever run under 4 minutes for the mile. That's a pretty exclusive club to join. And it sounds more impressive than 1:48.3 because 1:48.3 is so obviously arbitrary.

0 and 1 Irish woman have ever gone under those times.

Round numbers perhaps, but the mile is a dated standard, while those female standards are not.

Testosterscone

She might have been 3rd in the 3 way head to head of the Irish in Morton Games but Mooney just booked her seat for Berlin with a 2.01.61 PB in Belgium.

Chivito550

Testosterscone wrote: »

She might have been 3rd in the 3 way head to head of the Irish in Morton Games but Mooney just booked her seat for Berlin with a 2.01.61 PB in Belgium.

Fair play to her. Some going.