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Low- cost Dog Neutering

  • 16-07-2018 6:59pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30


    I'd like to get my male dog neutered soon but I'm worried about the cost, could someone please advise me?

    I'd appreciate if you could recommend a vet in Galway (preferably Athenry side) that does cheap neutering or of any that does Subsided Neutering (affordable neutering for those in receipt of Social Welfare)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭em_cat


    Eve2001 wrote: »
    I'd like to get my male dog neutered soon but I'm worried about the cost, could someone please advise me?

    I'd appreciate if you could recommend a vet in Galway (preferably Athenry side) that does cheap neutering or of any that does Subsided Neutering (affordable neutering for those in receipt of Social Welfare)

    Check out the Irish Blue Cross, I know they are located in Dublin, but they may be your only option. There will be waiting list as they are a charity.

    You may be able to get it subsided via some rescue groups but you would need to source them, I know of a few who do it in Dublin, but it is discretionary.

    What size, weight & age is your dog/bitch? And fair play for considering neutering:).


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭Choc Chip


    I can't link to rescues here, but if you google "subsidised neutering site:.ie" (without the inverted commas) you'll get at least 3 organisations that might be able to help, or at least point you in the right direction. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Eve2001


    em_cat wrote: »
    Check out the Irish Blue Cross, I know they are located in Dublin, but they may be your only option. There will be waiting list as they are a charity.

    You may be able to get it subsided via some rescue groups but you would need to source them, I know of a few who do it in Dublin, but it is discretionary.

    What size, weight & age is your dog/bitch? And fair play for considering neutering:).

    He's a chihuahua so quite small, roughly 6 pounds, and just gone 10 months


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭em_cat


    Eve2001 wrote: »
    He's a chihuahua so quite small, roughly 6 pounds, and just gone 10 months


    Ohh the devil teeth doggy, that’s what my mum calls them, sorry, he shouldn’t be more than €70 to be done. The rates can differ from Vet to Vet so I’d ring around. I can only advise also to ring the SPCA in your area as they will have specific vets they use who may offer a subsidised rates. Hope that helps.

    Your lad is so small you could bring him up on the train to have him done with the IBC as an option. But you will need to book but also they will need evidence of social allowances receipt as they only supply services to those in receipt of same.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Eve2001


    em_cat wrote: »
    Ohh the devil teeth doggy, that’s what my mum calls them, sorry, he shouldn’t be more than €70 to be done. The rates can differ from Vet to Vet so I’d ring around. I can only advise also to ring the SPCA in your area as they will have specific vets they use who may offer a subsidised rates. Hope that helps.

    Your lad is so small you could bring him up on the train to have him done with the IBC as an option. But you will need to book but also they will need evidence of social allowances receipt as they only supply services to those in receipt of same.

    Accurate enough description haha. €70 isn't too bad but I'll ring around and it's a good idea to ask the spca, thanks for that!
    Pretty sure my dog would get me banned from all public transport if I'm honest, he's a 'big personality'.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭em_cat


    Eve2001 wrote: »
    Accurate enough description haha. €70 isn't too bad but I'll ring around and it's a good idea to ask the spca, thanks for that!
    Pretty sure my dog would get me banned from all public transport if I'm honest, he's a 'big personality'.

    Is he a long haired or short haired you must post pics it’s a requirement of this forum!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Eve2001 wrote: »
    I'd like to get my male dog neutered soon but I'm worried about the cost, could someone please advise me?

    I'd appreciate if you could recommend a vet in Galway (preferably Athenry side) that does cheap neutering or of any that does Subsided Neutering (affordable neutering for those in receipt of Social Welfare)

    I got vouchers for all my rescues over the years. . SPCA often have them, or ask local rescues and at vets locally also.

    Just before I left Kerry, I got 2 ferals neutered on a "fix it for a fiver" scheme run by a small local rescue. google?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 468 ✭✭irishlady29


    Railway vet in loughrea is very reasonable and dog wont need a cone due to the stitching technique the vet uses


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    Sorry for hijacking the thread, my wife wants to get our 7 year old jack Russell nurtured. I'm wondering what are the benefits of it, will it change his personality? Our main problem with him is him marking everything new that comes in to the house . He doesn't have any temperament issues and there is no bitches around,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 869 ✭✭✭tringle


    Check Facebook for local rescues that may offer discounts, we got a € 35 subsidy for our cats as they were rescue cats and I was on social welfare. But only one of our local vets does it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭boomerang


    Not going to be hugely expensive given you're outside Dublin, it's a small breed and it's male. Typically €75 to €100 depending on the practice. Dogs Trust bring give neutering vouchers to vet practices early in the year. They only gave nine vouchers per practice this year though and I suspect they are phasing out the scheme. Irregardless you have to pay the first €35 yourself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    boomerang wrote: »
    Not going to be hugely expensive given you're outside Dublin, it's a small breed and it's male. Typically €75 to €100 depending on the practice. Dogs Trust bring give neutering vouchers to vet practices early in the year. They only gave nine vouchers per practice this year though and I suspect they are phasing out the scheme. Irregardless you have to pay the first €35 yourself.

    We never had to pay anything except on the "fix it for a fiver" time last year.

    That was a small local rescue group. KLAWS in Kenmare.

    I think it was SPCA before that. E75 is a huge amount for anyone on benefits.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Eve2001


    Sorry for hijacking the thread, my wife wants to get our 7 year old jack Russell nurtured. I'm wondering what are the benefits of it, will it change his personality? Our main problem with him is him marking everything new that comes in to the house . He doesn't have any temperament issues and there is no bitches around,

    I was researching that myself: it's definitely meant to stop them marking their territory like that, and apparently it reduces their aggression towards other dogs and new people too, and makes them easier to train.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Eve2001


    Railway vet in loughrea is very reasonable and dog wont need a cone due to the stitching technique the vet uses

    €95 there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Eve2001 wrote: »
    €95 there

    Ouch.

    Do you have any rescues near you? They are always clued up on low cost neutering as it stops unwanted dogs being produced.

    Tell them that you are on Social Welfare. i did that with one when I needed help and paid nothing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Eve2001


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Ouch.

    Do you have any rescues near you? They are always clued up on low cost neutering as it stops unwanted dogs being produced.

    Tell them that you are on Social Welfare. i did that with one when I needed help and paid nothing.

    Think the only one is <snip > but I will ask them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,062 ✭✭✭✭tk123


    Eve2001 wrote: »
    I was researching that myself: it's definitely meant to stop them marking their territory like that, and apparently it reduces their aggression towards other dogs and new people too, and makes them easier to train.

    You need to do more research. if the dog has a habit of marking, humping etc you have a grIning issue - neutering isn’t going to magically stop it.

    I won’t ever get a male neutered again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭boomerang


    Graces7 wrote: »
    E75 is a huge amount for anyone on benefits.

    Sorry but having a dog is a luxury, not a right. I can't afford to provide another dog with the appropriate diet and veterinary care, so I've chosen not to get one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Eve2001


    boomerang wrote: »
    Sorry but having a dog is a luxury, not a right. I can't afford to provide another dog with the appropriate diet and veterinary care, so I've chosen not to get one.

    My dog has all his needs met and is perfectly happy, neutering isn't necessary and yet I'm still going that extra mile to get it done as I believe it's for the best. There's nothing wrong with shopping around for the lowest price and asking about vouchers because you've been put in a difficult financial situation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Eve2001


    em_cat wrote: »
    Is he a long haired or short haired you must post pics it’s a requirement of this forum!

    Long haired:) and I would but I'm not sure how


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭em_cat


    boomerang wrote: »
    Sorry but having a dog is a luxury, not a right. I can't afford to provide another dog with the appropriate diet and veterinary care, so I've chosen not to get one.

    Good for you.

    No need for this type of opinion on this thread. Irrespective of the OP’s financial situation they are attempting to be responsible & a small toy breed doesn’t cost that much to keep.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,763 ✭✭✭Knine


    Eve2001 wrote: »
    My dog has all his needs met and is perfectly happy, neutering isn't necessary and yet I'm still going that extra mile to get it done as I believe it's for the best. There's nothing wrong with shopping around for the lowest price and asking about vouchers because you've been put in a difficult financial situation.

    Sure anyone posting on here coukd end up in a worse financial position. Nobody knows what the future holds. Now personally I would keep your money & not bother getting him neutered. Any of the neutered dogs I had ended up with joint & coat issues, lost a lot of their lovely muscle tone & not near the drive of their entire house mates. They can't keep up with them. The entires lived a lot longer too. I will not get a male done again ever.

    BTW my males are well behaved even around bitches in heat. No marking, no humping or fighting.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,790 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    Folks, let's cool the jets with the snipey comments please.
    May I also remind posters that it is not up to you to dictate who can post what on any given thread. If you have a problem with a post, report it.
    Thanks,
    DBB


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Eve2001


    Knine wrote: »
    BTW my males are well behaved even around bitches in heat. No marking, no humping or fighting.
    Are they just naturally well behaved? Just asking as my little guy is awful for humping girls even when they're not in heat


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,062 ✭✭✭✭tk123


    Eve2001 wrote: »
    Are they just naturally well behaved? Just asking as my little guy is awful for humping girls even when they're not in heat

    He's a teenager! :rolleyes: Have you tried redirecting/distracting him? My neutered boy will hump - moreso since he started getting laser therapy(!) :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    My 12 year old spayed female bitch loves humping my cats... both sexes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,072 ✭✭✭FixitFelix


    Eve2001 wrote: »
    I'd like to get my male dog neutered soon but I'm worried about the cost, could someone please advise me?

    I'd appreciate if you could recommend a vet in Galway (preferably Athenry side) that does cheap neutering or of any that does Subsided Neutering (affordable neutering for those in receipt of Social Welfare)

    If you ring dogs trust they may still have vouchers for people on welfare, costs you only €20 I think. Got my small JR done a while back and cost €180 and he's only 5kg. So worth giving them a try


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Eve2001


    tk123 wrote: »
    He's a teenager! :rolleyes: Have you tried redirecting/distracting him? My neutered boy will hump - moreso since he started getting laser therapy(!) :eek:

    Yeah I've tried but once he gets something in his head he's impossible stop


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Eve2001


    Graces7 wrote: »
    My 12 year old spayed female bitch loves humping my cats... both sexes.

    That must be.. Interesting. Can't imagine it xD


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Eve2001


    em_cat wrote: »
    Is he a long haired or short haired you must post pics it’s a requirement of this forum!

    Attached a picture :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭off.the.walls


    Low cost dog neutering aka a "rip off"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    So neutering may have no benefit atall only stop the dog from reproduction? Our fella is very well behaved except for the marking, it's only become a real issue the last year since our other dog died, he marks anything new that comes into the house. If this would change his personality or even appearance as some have said then I will leave him and put up with the marking.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,790 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    So neutering may have no benefit atall only stop the dog from reproduction? Our fella is very well behaved except for the marking, it's only become a real issue the last year since our other dog died, he marks anything new that comes into the house. If this would change his personality or even appearance as some have said then I will leave him and put up with the marking.

    I'd suggest you weigh up the pros and cons before making up your mind.
    Advocates both for and against neutering will tend not to give an unbiased view, and you're going to get extremes of opinions here as, a result.
    Neutering does NOT change the personality... Their personality is not stored in their testicles!
    At 7 yrs of age, and as a short-coated dog, it is unlikely to change your dog's appearance. That risk tends to apply to (a) early neutering particularly of larger breeds (can make them a bit taller in the leg and somewhat out of proportion as a result), and (b) breeds/types with a longer wirey or silky top coat.
    I've lived with neutered and unneutered dogs and bitches. Can't say I've noticed an overwhelming difference in their drive or get-up-and-go, so that's my point really... Instead of taking a limited number of viewpoints from either side, look at the statistics that represent a much broader spectrum of the dog population.
    There's a significant chance it'll stop the marking within a few months. It may not, but statistically, chances are it will at least reduce it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 468 ✭✭irishlady29


    Eve2001 wrote:
    €95 there


    They may allow you to pay over a couple of weeks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭em_cat


    Eve2001 wrote: »
    Attached a picture :)

    Ahh what a beauty, I’ve never seen that colouring on a Chi, almost a parti, kind of like the Beiwer Yorkie.

    He looks like he’s enjoying life so that’s good. You’ll find the neutering/ spaying topic to be quite polarised, but in the end it is a personal choice. There are pros & cons like anything in life.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Eve2001


    So neutering may have no benefit atall only stop the dog from reproduction? Our fella is very well behaved except for the marking, it's only become a real issue the last year since our other dog died, he marks anything new that comes into the house. If this would change his personality or even appearance as some have said then I will leave him and put up with the marking.
    From what people have said here and Google there's a lot of contradictory information so I'm unsure myself but most pages say it stops marking. First I heard of negative effects was here and I've seen a few others sites saying the same since (if the dog is too young). Really not sure what's right.
    My vet recommends neutering but I suppose they are getting paid for it (although I assume they've the animals interest at heart)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Eve2001


    em_cat wrote: »
    Ahh what a beauty, I’ve never seen that colouring on a Chi, almost a parti, kind of like the Beiwer Yorkie.

    He looks like he’s enjoying life so that’s good. You’ll find the neutering/ spaying topic to be quite polarised, but in the end it is a personal choice. There are pros & cons like anything in life.

    Thank you:) must admit I am confused now but considering he'll be staying with my sisters dog sometimes I'm leaning towards getting it done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,763 ✭✭✭Knine


    Eve2001 wrote: »
    Are they just naturally well behaved? Just asking as my little guy is awful for humping girls even when they're not in heat

    No. I have had a lot of dogs. They are all high energy lively breeds.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭em_cat


    FixitFelix wrote: »
    If you ring dogs trust they may still have vouchers for people on welfare, costs you only €20 I think. Got my small JR done a while back and cost €180 and he's only 5kg. So worth giving them a try

    Where was that! I know Vets who charge no more than €70 for 10kg or less and they are private vets in Dublin. Now that is without complications and with standard recovery and collection.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭em_cat


    Eve2001 wrote: »
    From what people have said here and Google there's a lot of contradictory information so I'm unsure myself but most pages say it stops marking. First I heard of negative effects was here and I've seen a few others sites saying the same since (if the dog is too young). Really not sure what's right.
    My vet recommends neutering but I suppose they are getting paid for it (although I assume they've the animals interest at heart)

    I’ve dealt with Vets all my life as I grew up on a working farm, I’ve never met a wealthy vet nor have I met a vet that has nothing but the welfare of an animal at the forefront of what they do. Now sometimes that can be at odds with an owner or someone who doesn’t put any value in what the Vets do, after all they are medical practitioners. While I will be the first to agree a lot of vets have no idea about canine behaviour but the majority of ones I’ve dealt with do to some degree.

    In one way I understand & support keeping dogs in tact for working and for breeding by a reputable breeder I.e for conservation not greed, (I don’t support hunting) but at the same I always take into consideration a persons ability to train a dog the behaviours that are acceptable & to be honest almost everyone I know who has a dog, male or female, really doesn’t.

    If you feel like you don’t or you know that who ever is minding your dog isn’t going to be vigilant, if you feel strongly about accidental pregnancies or potential wonder lust, then neuter. It won’t change his personality, it won’t cause him cancer, dogs have no self awareness like humans so they are not self conscious, and his coat condition is directly related to his diet, not testosterone production no matter what the internet says.

    Basically if your Chi is a pet & you want him to interact with as many other canines but without the worry about pregnancies then neuter.

    If you feel confident that you can successfully teach him not to mount uninvited, to behave appropriately around in season bitches & other males while not engaging in dominant behaviour, not to escape because he’s caught the scent of an in season bitch or starts marking as a way of claiming what’s his and that can include you, your neighbor, friends anything really. If you truly believe that you can do all that then maybe don’t neuter and begin training now as you and you alone can make the decision, but also know that if you can not be confident in the above then the likekyhood of your pup becoming a daddy is very high as it only takes a couple of seconds.

    I know TDLR for most, but I’m truly very passionate about people making there own mind up about this subject.

    Addendum: weight is very easily controlled by measure and exercise, our Mr C is a Yorkie Mix and has broad shoulders and powerful haunches, but he is a trim 6kg and is very lively at nearly 3 yrs. His coat is silky soft and he doesn’t have any issues with the exception of allergic rhinitis and slippy knees, congenital and he’s neutered. He also has lovely strong teeth.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Eve2001


    em_cat wrote: »
    I’ve dealt with Vets all my life as I grew up on a working farm, I’ve never met a wealthy vet nor have I met a vet that has nothing but the welfare of an animal at the forefront of what they do. Now sometimes that can be at odds with an owner or someone who doesn’t put any value in what the Vets do, after all they are medical practitioners. While I will be the first to agree a lot of vets have no idea about canine behaviour but the majority of ones I’ve dealt with do to some degree.

    In one way I understand & support keeping dogs in tact for working and for breeding by a reputable breeder I.e for conservation not greed, (I don’t support hunting) but at the same I always take into consideration a persons ability to train a dog the behaviours that are acceptable & to be honest almost everyone I know who has a dog, male or female, really doesn’t.

    If you feel like you don’t or you know that who ever is minding your dog isn’t going to be vigilant, if you feel strongly about accidental pregnancies or potential wonder lust, then neuter. It won’t change his personality, it won’t cause him cancer, dogs have no self awareness like humans so they are not self conscious, and his coat condition is directly related to his diet, not testosterone production no matter what the internet says.

    Basically if your Chi is a pet & you want him to interact with as many other canines but without the worry about pregnancies then neuter.

    If you feel confident that you can successfully teach him not to mount uninvited, to behave appropriately around in season bitches & other males while not engaging in dominant behaviour, not to escape because he’s caught the scent of an in season bitch or starts marking as a way of claiming what’s his and that can include you, your neighbor, friends anything really. If you truly believe that you can do all that then maybe don’t neuter and begin training now as you and you alone can make the decision, but also know that if you can not be confident in the above then the likekyhood of your pup becoming a daddy is very high as it only takes a couple of seconds.

    I know TDLR for most, but I’m truly very passionate about people making there own mind up about this subject.

    Addendum: weight is very easily controlled by measure and exercise, our Mr C is a Yorkie Mix and has broad shoulders and powerful haunches, but he is a trim 6kg and is very lively at nearly 3 yrs. His coat is silky soft and he doesn’t have any issues with the exception of allergic rhinitis and slippy knees, congenital and he’s neutered. He also has lovely strong teeth.

    I hope I didn't come across as putting down vets, I've had work experience in vets before and seen the hard work they do in and out of hours so have utmost respect for them.

    I'll admit straight away I'm not perfect at training my dog, he's trained well enough in some ways but when it comes to other dogs I just can't seem to control him.

    I can stop him from the undesirable behavior in my own home or for short periods but when it comes to us staying with a female dog it's just not realistic for us.

    Thank you for clearing up the negative side effects, that was a big worry for me. Definitely think neutering is the right choice for us as long as 10 months is old enough to not cause any damage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭em_cat


    Eve2001 wrote: »
    I hope I didn't come across as putting down vets, I've had work experience in vets before and seen the hard work they do in and out of hours so have utmost respect for them.

    I'll admit straight away I'm not perfect at training my dog, he's trained well enough in some ways but when it comes to other dogs I just can't seem to control him.

    I can stop him from the undesirable behavior in my own home or for short periods but when it comes to us staying with a female dog it's just not realistic for us.

    Thank you for clearing up the negative side effects, that was a big worry for me. Definitely think neutering is the right choice for us as long as 10 months is old enough to not cause any damage.

    No, didn’t seem you where being negative about vets. You will though come across people on here who massively distrust them so you’ve to make up your own mind.

    10 months is pass the 6 mos so should be no issue and it’s not invasive like it is for females. If he was a medium, large or giant you’d would wait until 2 yrs for them to stop growing, but your Chi is more than likely fully grown as he’s a toy breed.

    Anyway, I hope I’ve been able to help give as unbiased view as possible. You’ll have to let us know how you get on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,763 ✭✭✭Knine


    em_cat wrote: »

    If you feel confident that you can successfully teach him not to mount uninvited, to behave appropriately around in season bitches & other males while not engaging in dominant behaviour, not to escape because he’s caught the scent of an in season bitch or starts marking as a way of claiming what’s his and that can include you, your neighbor, friends anything really. If you truly believe that you can do all that then maybe don’t neuter and begin training now as you and you alone can make the decision, but also know that if you can not be confident in the above then the likekyhood of your pup becoming a daddy is very high as it only takes a couple of seconds.

    I know TDLR for most, but I’m truly very passionate about people making there own mind up about this subject.
    .

    Now in all fairness this is hardly unbiased. As someone who actually breeds dogs, it takes a lot longer then a few seconds. All dogs should be under such control that they don't get the chance to wander - neutered or not. The chance of the OP meeting a bitch in heat is pretty slim & then there might be the issue of needing a step ladder.

    None & I mean none of my males mark. They don't behave like crazed lunatics when I have bitches in heat or ever try to escape. I actually have a bitch in heat at the moment. I also have a stud dog here. No hassle. No marking. Being around bitches belonging to family/friends I an assure you the majority of bitches will fairly swiftly tell off any pestering males if you feel unable to train him "No"

    It is also easy to compare neutered/entire dogs when you keep many of the same breed. Our neutered male has to be kept away from in heat bitches as he will mate them but obviously no puppies. Having had both neuters & entires & plenty of them I know which I prefer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭em_cat


    Knine wrote: »
    Now in all fairness this is hardly unbiased. As someone who actually breeds dogs, it takes a lot longer then a few seconds. All dogs should be under such control that they don't get the chance to wander - neutered or not. The chance of the OP meeting a bitch in heat is pretty slim & then there might be the issue of needing a step ladder.

    None & I mean none of my males mark. They don't behave like crazed lunatics when I have bitches in heat or ever try to escape. I actually have a bitch in heat at the moment. I also have a stud dog here. No hassle. No marking. Being around bitches belonging to family/friends I an assure you the majority of bitches will fairly swiftly tell off any pestering males if you feel unable to train him "No"

    It is also easy to compare neutered/entire dogs when you keep many of the same breed. Our neutered male has to be kept away from in heat bitches as he will mate them but obviously no puppies. Having had both neuters & entires & plenty of them I know which I prefer.

    Yes but you have experience in training your dogs & bitches, however that is not the case with most people. Maybe unbiased was the wrong word, but I felt it wasn’t hard lined.

    I have no issue with people not neutering if they know what they’re doing, but most people a) can’t/won’t pay for the injections & b) won’t/can’t be bothered to properly train, so for those people, I’d advocate for neutering/spaying.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,062 ✭✭✭✭tk123


    Most people neuter way too early (not the case with the OP as it's a small dog!) because the vets tell them too - point in case tiny retriever in the park was spayed last week because she was 6 months old so it had to be done asap.. In that respect I think the vets are at fault because the ignoring the long term effects. ALSO going so early - how do you know your dog isn't going to end up being a basket case that could have benefitted from the hormones. I know Bailey could have!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭em_cat


    tk123 wrote: »
    Most people neuter way too early (not the case with the OP as it's a small dog!) because the vets tell them too - point in case tiny retriever in the park was spayed last week because she was 6 months old so it had to be done asap.. In that respect I think the vets are at fault because the ignoring the long term effects. ALSO going so early - how do you know your dog isn't going to end up being a basket case that could have benefitted from the hormones. I know Bailey could have!

    I agree with to early, it should be dependent on the breed size. Evidence does support it has an impact on bone & joint development but not really sure how that would be possible for mix/mutt though. I don’t believe it has a psychological impact and thus doesn’t have an emotional impact long term. That’s about training & discipline IMO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,062 ✭✭✭✭tk123


    em_cat wrote: »
    I don’t believe it has a psychological impact and thus doesn’t have an emotional impact long term. That’s about training & discipline IMO.

    There's plenty of behaviourists who would disagree with you!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,763 ✭✭✭Knine


    tk123 wrote: »
    There's plenty of behaviourists who would disagree with you!

    Plenty of dog owners would also disagree


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭em_cat


    tk123 wrote: »
    There's plenty of behaviourists who would disagree with you!

    That’s fine & I would be happy to debate it, just possibly not in this thread. Like I said I fully support leaving dogs & bitches in tact if we lived in an ideal world and everyone was a responsible owner.

    I wish we could institute the same legislation that they have in Switzerland. I marvel at the lack of dog dirt, how well mannered and behaved dogs & bitches are over there. Also they don’t neuter or spay, but you do have to take a theory test to get a dog. I think it’s fantastic!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,062 ✭✭✭✭tk123


    em_cat wrote: »
    That’s fine & I would be happy to debate it, just possibly not in this thread.

    Oh apologies I don't have a doctorate in behaviour nor am I APDT approved so I'm not really qualified to debate it. All my studies (which I've taken a break from) have been more focused in training..


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