So Michael D IS running again!

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The Specialist wrote:

Calling them out for what they are, and the ridiculous situation that they were given any sort of special status.

The Specialist wrote:

You can call that an attack if you want - I call that the stone cold truth and the truth hurts sometimes.

But this attack on Travellers is the reason you're going to vote for him. Surely that's a bit odd?

Adamcp898

mrbrianj wrote: »

They had the graphic % count down the wrong way around. Casey must be going for 7 years in Fossetts not the Aras.

I thought we were playing "pointless"

Sycamore Tree

Peter Casey was wrong to say what he said on travelers given the context and the position he is going for.....but I am glad he said it. That discussion needs to happen.

alaimacerc

Sycamore Tree wrote: »

Peter Casey was wrong to say what he said on travelers given the context and the position he is going for.....but I am glad he said it. That discussion needs to happen.

That "discussion" occurs whenever grumpy geezers are gathered around some pints. And often without even that excuse.

alaimacerc

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I'm pretty left orientated but I think the ethnic status is a nonsense. What now? I become a slum landlord and run for FG?

Or, read the definition of an "ethnic group"? Consider how bad this sort of craic looks to us when some other country pulls it?

alaimacerc

The Specialist wrote: »

The only people who need "protection" of any sort are the normal citizens of this country who have been robbed, assaulted and terrorised by this "minority" for decades. The left can try and paint the "poor little travellers" as some sort of victims after this, I'm sure even our uber-PC media will go out of their way to defend them. Peter Casey is just saying what 99.9% of this country think of this group.

And yet you're confused you can't get anyone to vote for a political party that agrees with what you consider the "normal" views of the "99.9%".

It seems just possible your maths is as far out of whack as your politics.

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alaimacerc wrote: »

And yet you're confused you can't get anyone to vote for a political party that agrees with what you consider the "normal" views of the "99.9%".

It seems just possible your maths is as far out of whack as your politics.

Or maybe we don't have any viable political party to vote for at the moment? Our options are all soft leftist parties who kiss the ring of political correctness and are afraid to step out of line.

alaimacerc

The Specialist wrote: »

Or maybe we don't have any viable political party to vote for at the moment? Our options are all soft leftist parties who kiss the ring of political correctness and are afraid to step out of line.

Yeah, I think when everyone else seems "soft left", you've pretty much defined where you are in the political spectrum.

Maybe all the spectacularly failed hard- and far-right parties are all part of the same Vast PC Conspiracy to discredit the "normal" reactionary party that represents the view of 99.9% of people, but someone never actually emerges?

nuac

alaimacerc wrote: »

That "discussion" occurs whenever grumpy geezers are gathered around some pints. And often without even that excuse.

That discussion also often takes place in areas where travellers misbehave

alaimacerc

nuac wrote: »

That discussion also often takes place in areas where travellers misbehave

"They bring it on themselves!" -- every advantaged group, ever, when challenged on their dreadful attitudes to any given disadvantaged group.

Loafing Oaf

The Specialist wrote: »

Or maybe we don't have any viable political party to vote for at the moment? Our options are all soft leftist parties who kiss the ring of political correctness and are afraid to step out of line.

Well if you don't like any of the options on the menu, nobody's stopping you getting into the kitchen and rustling something up yourself. That's how democracies you know...

James Brown

alaimacerc wrote: »

Or, read the definition of an "ethnic group"? Consider how bad this sort of craic looks to us when some other country pulls it?

I believe everyone should be treated equally. Travelers choose the lifestyle they lead. That's on them IMO. They shouldn't be unduly penalised, however it does not marry well with the broader institutions of Irish society. I cannot set up shop on someone elses land for example. I could not claim welfare with more than one or no address.

James Brown

The Specialist wrote: »

Or maybe we don't have any viable political party to vote for at the moment? Our options are all soft leftist parties who kiss the ring of political correctness and are afraid to step out of line.

Think about that and ask yourself the following;
Which parties go out protesting on the streets? Who is averaging 2% in any given poll? Who has not and will likely never be, anytime soon, in government?

Who makes these lefty PC policies?
FF/FG have been the holders of the political reins since the states inception. Time we start giving them their fair dues.

realdanbreen

Michael D said he is 'outraged' over Peter Caseys remarks. How many travellers are employed in the Arus?

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Matt Barrett wrote: »

Think about that and ask yourself the following;
Which parties go out protesting on the streets? Who is averaging 2% in any given poll? Who has not and will likely never be, anytime soon, in government?

Who makes these lefty PC policies?
FF/FG have been the holders of the political reins since the states inception. Time we start giving them their fair dues.

You would be very surprised with how people would vote given a realistic alternative to the main parties. I'm not asking for a hard right party (don't think anybody wants that) but a realistic one that cuts the bull**** out. Look at the US and other countries and how they have shifted to a right lean. People the world over are sick to the teeth of this age of super political correctness, being told what they can or can't discuss, or even the way to think about issues for fear of someone getting offended.

Case in point with the travellers. Not one party spokesperson has ever had the neck to say what Casey did, and it is a perfectly valid point of discussion (one which our PC media in this country would rather sweep under the rug for fear of Pavee Pointless lashing out against them and their "stereotyping"). There is a rotten side to traveller culture that affects everybody, not to mention the serious questions that need to be asked regarding public funding being used to build housing for them, which they then reject because they also want a roof for their horses. Ethnic status should not allow scum to continue being scum, or be shielded from legitimate criticism, with all the protection it entails.

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The Specialist wrote:

Case in point with the travellers. Not one party spokesperson has ever had the neck to say what Casey did, and it is a perfectly valid point of discussion (one which our PC media in this country would rather sweep under the rug for fear of Pavee Pointless lashing out against them and their "stereotyping"). There is a rotten side to traveller culture that affects everybody, not to mention the serious questions that need to be asked regarding public funding being used to build housing for them, which they then reject because they also want a roof for their horses. Ethnic status should not allow scum to continue being scum, or be shielded from legitimate criticism, with all the protection it entails.

As already pointed out, it's legitimate to raise issues about the Traveller community, but this above is just racist and horrible stuff.

Loafing Oaf

The Specialist wrote: »

You would be very surprised with how people would vote given a realistic alternative to the main parties.

Why are Renua, Irexit Freedom Party, the National Party, Identity Ireland not 'realistic' in your eyes?

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hotmail.com wrote: »

As already pointed out, it's legitimate to raise issues about the Traveller community, but this above is just racist and horrible stuff.

I think you, along with the other candidates in this race, need to go and re-learn what "racism" is. Travellers are not a race, they are white Irish the same as the rest of us.

James Brown

The Specialist wrote: »

You would be very surprised with how people would vote given a realistic alternative to the main parties. I'm not asking for a hard right party (don't think anybody wants that) but a realistic one that cuts the bull**** out. Look at the US and other countries and how they have shifted to a right lean. People the world over are sick to the teeth of this age of super political correctness, being told what they can or can't discuss, or even the way to think about issues for fear of someone getting offended.

Case in point with the travellers. Not one party spokesperson has ever had the neck to say what Casey did, and it is a perfectly valid point of discussion (one which our PC media in this country would rather sweep under the rug for fear of Pavee Pointless lashing out against them and their "stereotyping"). There is a rotten side to traveller culture that affects everybody, not to mention the serious questions that need to be asked regarding public funding being used to build housing for them, which they then reject because they also want a roof for their horses. Ethnic status should not allow scum to continue being scum, or be shielded from legitimate criticism, with all the protection it entails.

Just pointing out that the left, those deemed to represent the left, get the blame for everything unpopular FF/FG do. This allows people to continue voting FF/FG and blaming parties and politicians who never sat in government. It's a great position for FF/FG to be in and why we don't have more viable options.
So justifying why everyone but, but sometimes also, FG/FF are to blame for state policy, has us where we are.

alaimacerc

The Specialist wrote: »

I think you, along with the other candidates in this race, need to go and re-learn what "racism" is. Travellers are not a race, they are white Irish the same as the rest of us.

I think you, and large numbers of people over at AH, need to stop imagining that "I looked up a dictionary definition of 'racism', then did a Delux colour swatch test" is some sort of mic-drop moment.

Perhaps "prejudiced views and behaviour against an identified ethnic group" would be more to your liking, but it's a whoooooole lot more typing.

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The Specialist wrote:

I think you, along with the other candidates in this race, need to go and re-learn what "racism" is. Travellers are not a race, they are white Irish the same as the rest of us.

So you don't dispute it's horrible stuff. That you may be an ass a person?

alaimacerc

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Why are Renua, Irexit Freedom Party, the National Party, Identity Ireland not 'realistic' in your eyes?

Because he wants to continue doing the same thing until he gets results he likes better.

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alaimacerc wrote: »

I think you, and large numbers of people over at AH, need to stop imagining that "I looked up a dictionary definition of 'racism', then did a Delux colour swatch test" is some sort of mic-drop moment.

Perhaps "prejudiced views and behaviour against an identified ethnic group" would be more to your liking, but it's a whoooooole lot more typing.

How about views on an ethnic group constructed from numerous negative interactions with said group? Does that sound better to you? People don't dislike them just for the sake of it.

hotmail.com wrote: »

So you don't dispute it's horrible stuff. That you may be an ass a person?

No nothing horrible about it, my view on them is formed as I said, from my personal experiences over many years with this minority - not a single positive. Maybe you can point out something positive that travellers contribute to this country? Or are you just going to virtue signal?

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Casey is going to visit the unused houses in Tipperary tomorrow it now seems.

So his desperation to not finish last is being taken out on Travellers and some will fall for this divide and conquer tactic.

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The Specialist wrote:

No nothing horrible about it, my view on them is formed as I said, from my personal experiences over many years with this minority - not a single positive. Maybe you can point out something positive that travellers contribute to this country? Or are you just going to virtue signal?

Referring to a minority community as scum is horrible stuff no matter what "experiences" you allegedly had with them. And no, you aren't the silent majority. Most people do not use that language about minorities anymore.

alaimacerc

The Specialist wrote: »

You would be very surprised with how people would vote given a realistic alternative to the main parties.

You would be surprised to learn how hilariously tired and implausible this sounds. Top-rate tax cuts and no-Travellers-in-our-back-yard are what FF and FG candidates have been running on since always. You'll have to a lot better than that if you hope to outline a winning, coherent position that's somehow not their "soft left" as you consider it, and the "hard right". (Why Trump and Lega Nord aren't "hard" enough to be going along with is also not entirely clear, but in your own time.)

alaimacerc

The Specialist wrote: »

How about views on an ethnic group constructed from numerous negative interactions with said group? Does that sound better to you? People don't dislike them just for the sake of it.

"Other prejudiced people are of course terrible, but uniquely, my sweeping views on Travellers as a group are entirely justified, because Travellers are uniquely bad."

Or are you just going to virtue signal?

Oh dear.

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hotmail.com wrote: »

Referring to a minority community as scum is horrible stuff no matter what "experiences" you allegedly had with them. And no, you aren't the silent majority. Most people do not use that language about minorities anymore.

Really? You might want to have a look through the reaction to his comments across the talk shows, social media and elsewhere today They don't tally up with the "outrage" coming from the other candidates and people like yourself, nowhere even close.

alaimacerc

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I believe everyone should be treated equally. Travelers choose the lifestyle they lead. That's on them IMO. They shouldn't be unduly penalised, however it does not marry well with the broader institutions of Irish society. I cannot set up shop on someone elses land for example. I could not claim welfare with more than one or no address.

I raised a point about your mistaken belief that Travellers can't be an ethnic group. You reply with... a laundry list of why Travellers are all terrible people? I don't follow your logic.

Do you feel there's some objective reason they don't fit the criterion for an ethnic group? Or do you just object to "official" designation as such, on the wild off-chance that it might accidentally benefit them somehow? Or interfere with your entitlement to denigrate them en masse?

alaimacerc

The Specialist wrote: »

Really? You might want to have a look through the reaction to his comments across the talk shows, social media and elsewhere today

You've quite literally just cited a very noisy tiny minority as "proof" of a silent majority.