Should Gambling Advertising Be Banned?

Stephen15

Just read that Italy has now banned all forms of gambling advertising in all forms including television, sports sponsorship, online and billboards etc. With the issue of gambling addiction now being higlighted particularly through the likes GPA and GAA now banning teams taking gambling sponsorship and recent documentaries. Is it time Ireland followed suit?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5921655/Italy-bans-gambling-adverts-Luigi-Di-Maios-new-dignity-decree.html

Wheety

Stephen15 wrote: »

Just read that Italy has now banned all forms of gambling advertising in all forms including television, sports sponsorship, online and billboards etc. With the issue of gambling addiction now being higlighted particularly through the likes GPA and GAA now banning teams taking gambling sponsorship and recent documentaries. Is it time Ireland followed suit?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5921655/Italy-bans-gambling-adverts-Luigi-Di-Maios-new-dignity-decree.html

Yep. Every ad break on the football these days is full of them.

Wanderer78

Why not ban all advertisement, it's all lies anyway

Yes please

Atlantic Dawn

Only if the UK do it also.

KungPao

No.

If something is legal it should be legal to advertise it imo.

And that includes fags.

corner of hells

KungPao wrote: »

No.

If something is legal it should be legal to advertise it imo.

And that includes fags.

We call them homosexuals these days.

Pauliedragon

It's a bit hypocritical coming from Italy

dollylama

Most definitely. I'm seeing more and more young lads getting drawn into online gambling... all a bit of fun... download an app, place a few bets when the races are on... and they have ya!

It really grates on me to hear the nephew laughing at the sh*te Paddy Power post on Facebook. I tried explaining to him that these parasites have a whole team working to pump out this 'humour' with the aim of drawing the gullible in. But no good... to listen to him, you'd be mistaken for thinking Paddy Power himself is one of the lads

skooterblue2

Gambling is for saps anyways and is a tax on stupidity

4068ac1elhodqr

Not a bad idea, as certain type of people(personalities) should never do it.

It would only work in Ire, if it was done in the UK at the same time due to cross-media exposure.
They wouldn't be interested due to the '£6bn' (0.5% GDP) in yearly tax receipts.

And so would fear other EU offshore operators getting a slice of the pie if turnover dropped.
So would actually have to be an 'EU-wide' enforcement (inc. Brexitious/IOM/Gib/Jersey/Med' lands).

Roger_007

The whole horse and greyhound industries are totally dependant on gambling. These industries are enthusiastically supported, promoted and subvented by government. Gambling on horses and dogs does immense social damage, but that damage is accepted and tolerated because the 'great and the good' are heavily involved in these industries/sports.
At a time when advertising on tobacco is totally banned and advertising on alcohol is being seriously questioned, it's about time that advertising for gambling was also looked at.
It's also time that horse and dog racing were reclassified, not as sports, but as part of the gambling industry.

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skooterblue2 wrote: »

Gambling is for saps anyways and is a tax on stupidity

Not entirely true, e.g. poker is a game of skill

Canis Lupus

Yeah I'd be happy to see a ban.

Try_harder

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Not entirely true, e.g. poker is a game of skill

Skill and chance

4068ac1elhodqr

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Not entirely true, e.g. poker is a game of skill

On-line it's very little skill, mostly luck
- from an anonymous RNG's machine's Math.random() function.

Try_harder

I would back a ban. So many young men have had lives ruined by gambling. Lured into it with ads full of success and largesse

Try_harder

Some people think random number games have skill attached- when they just dont- games of chance heavily weighted in the bookies favour

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Armani Square Knob wrote: »

On-line it's very little skill, mostly luck
- from an anonymous RNG's machine's Math.random() function.

Not true, sorry to be crude but you don't know what you're talking about. Poker is mostly maths and using a solid strategy/adjusting to opponents. I've played online poker for like 10 years and tracked every single hand I've played.

Here's my graph from last month for example. I've won tens of thousands only playing micro stakes cash games. It takes a lot of work/study but it's possible.

4068ac1elhodqr

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Not true, you don't know what you're talking about. Poker is mostly maths and using a solid strategy/adjusting to opponents. I've played online poker for like 10 years and tracked every single hand I've played.

Here's my graph from last month for example. I've won tens of thousands only playing micro stakes cash games. It takes a lot of work/study but it's possible.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/cache.php?img=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FyyB3yaA.png

That's all very much open to debate. And the math involved 'ain't no rocket science'. 'One person's, one month example' is largely meaningless in the grander scheme of things.

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Armani Square Knob wrote: »

That's all very much open to debate. And the math involved 'ain't no rocket science'. 'One person's, one month example' is largely meaningless in the grander scheme of things.

I've played millions of hands online. There is no debate, in the long term there's very little luck in poker. What you're talking about is called short term variance. AA is about a 82% favourite over KK, so yes, in a single instance about 1 in 5 times you will lose, that's the luck. Repeat it over the long term thousands of times and it will win 82% of the time.

I think you underestimate how deep poker is and how much skill is involved. That's fine, most people are the same.

4068ac1elhodqr

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I've played millions of hands online. There is no debate, in the long time there's very little luck in poker. What you're talking about is called short term variance. AA is about a 82% favourite over KK, so yes, in a single instance about 1 in 5 times you will lose, that's the luck. Repeat it over the long term thousands of times and it will win 82% of the time.

I think you underestimate how deep poker is and how much skill is involved. That's fine, most people are the same.

Ok so, 'all' the Pro's at the very top 'never' have a bad day/week/month/year/decade.

- As they're all 'skilled/qualified' in the 'scientific artform wizardry' that is RNG (virtual) based Hold'em, ok.

Live events might be slightly different as mentalism and psychology play a much greater role (amongst the luck of the draw).

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Armani Square Knob wrote: »

Ok so, 'all' the Pro's at the very top 'never' have a bad day/week/month/year/decade.

- As they're all 'skilled/qualified' in the 'scientific artform wizardry' that is RNG (virtual) based Hold'em, ok.

Live events might be slightly different as mentalism and psychology play a much greater role (amongst the luck of the draw).

The reason the pros can have a hard time is because they're competing against other top tier players, so their skill edge in those fields is minimal. Throw them into a low stakes cash game and they will eat up. A good player can consistently win at micro stakes online. There's much more variance in tournaments compared to cash games. I've never sports bet or bet on a horse in my life, I don't view poker in the same light.

I agree with you live is different from a psychology viewpoint. From a game theory and mathemathical standpoint live and online are exactly the same.

You keep bringing up RNG. Here's a simple odds calculator, odds and math are consistent in poker and never change.

https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-tools/odds-calculator/texas-holdem

4068ac1elhodqr

The thing about the RNG... - is it really, truely 'Random'.
Do you have the complied source software code (and hardware artifact code) available to freely peruse?

Do banks and gov ever get hacked?
Do secure, encrypted servers ever suffer from code injections or unathorised access?
Have any large poker sites been reported over improper admin key access?
Are you playing on a table against faceless collaborators, even briefly?

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Armani Square Knob wrote: »

The thing about the RNG... - is it really, truely 'Random'.
Do you have the complied source software code (and hardware artifact code) available to freely peruse?

Do banks and gov ever get hacked?
Do secure, encrypted servers ever suffer from code injections or unathorised access?
Have any large poker sites been reported over improper admin key access?
Are you playing on a table against faceless collaborators, even briefly?

If there was something fishy about online card distribution e.g. at pokerstars someone would have proved it by now. Every hand dealt can be saved and imported into a database and reviewed. People have compiled databases of billions of hands in the past. Their RNG has been examined by outside parties if you check their site.

Poker bots do exist, programs that pretend to be an actual player. Some sites have been hacked, if you google potripper you'll see owners of certain sites cheating in the past where they could see every ones cards. You're right that certain sites can be shady, that's the reason I only play on pokerstars or well known sites like betfair, paddy power etc.

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Just to answer op's question, I think gambling ads should be banned. I rambled on about poker but that game too is reliant on addicts for the good players to feed off. I used to frequent a local casino and play live poker and every night they'd be people sitting on machines for 10 hrs straight, I felt bad for them. I know people who's lives have been destroyed due to addiction, whether that's gambling or drugs or whatever else. Bookies shouldn't be allowed to promote it because at the end of the day they are making money by ruining peoples lives.

Victor

KungPao wrote: »

If something is legal it should be legal to advertise it imo.

Addiction to over-the-counter drugs is legal. Shouldn't be advertised.

Prostitution is legal (there are several offences related to it). Should it be advertised on radio?

Scat is legal. Should it be advertised on TV and in the cinema?

The misconceptions people have about modern poker are understandable since the maths nowadays is so difficult.

My brother is staying with me for two months at the moment to study work his group have been compiling on a gigantic server farm running PioSolver. They together put in over $100k on that alone. He's been a professional poker player for five years or so but still has to do copious amounts of study to keep his edge. It's an approach to poker called GTO (Game Theory Optimal).

Meditation / diet / yoga etc. are also part of his arsenal as if he has a bad day, it costs him and he becomes a losing player. Most people with regular jobs can have bad / hungover / tired days and it wont affect them too much.


On a day-to-day basis, luck comes into it. In the long term, you can have an edge that means you're a winning player.

Canis Lupus

Deleted User wrote: »

The misconceptions people have about modern poker are understandable since the maths nowadays is so difficult.

My brother is staying with me for two months at the moment to study work his group have been compiling on a gigantic server farm running PioSolver. They together put in over $100k on that alone. He's been a professional poker player for five years or so but still has to do copious amounts of study to keep his edge. It's an approach to poker called GTO (Game Theory Optimal).

Meditation / diet / yoga etc. are also part of his arsenal as if he has a bad day, it costs him and he becomes a losing player. Most people with regular jobs can have bad / hungover / tired days and it wont affect them too much.


On a day-to-day basis, luck comes into it. In the long term, you can have an edge that means you're a winning player.

Is that skill or 'just' memory?

evil_seed

Yes ban the advertising. Great story here:
https://www.football365.com/news/football-is-financially-addicted-to-the-addiction-industry

whisky_galore

2 Scoops wrote: »

Not entirely true, e.g. poker is a game of skill

At the end of the day, the house always wins. They're not charities.

Interesting factoid, William Hill was a Black and Tan.