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Pride 2018 :Your views and thoughts

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    #32
    seanrambo87
    Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭seanrambo87


    An_Toirpin wrote:
    I think anyone who implies there is less hate now then a few years ago does not have their ear to the ground.

    There is a lot of hate, that is a fact of life, many people in my life, uncles etc who were gay and grew up in the 50/60s and found a better life in Britain (out of Necessity) and to an extent white men today through social media etc. Is it such a crime for me to express my views? They cannot hurt you its how I think


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    #33
    JackTaylorFan
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    seanrambo87 wrote: »
    I actually champion my brothers and sisters but I feel it's been rammed down our throats

    LOL

    I mean: I'm not a (insert your phobe here) but...


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    #34
    seanrambo87
    Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭seanrambo87


    JackTaylorFan wrote:
    I mean: I'm not a (insert your phobe here) but...


    Do you actually have anything constructive to say or are you just going to rely on tired memes to try and discredit me? Why don't you type your opinion?


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    #35
    JackTaylorFan
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    seanrambo87 wrote: »
    Do you actually have anything constructive to say or are you just going to rely on tired memes to try and discredit me? Why don't you type your opinion?

    My opinion is: you seem overly concerned with gay people shoving things down your throat.

    You're welcome.


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    #36
    Ten of Swords
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    An_Toirpin wrote: »
    Gays have every single right that everyone else is afforded. If they didnt they would have been forced on the Gov by international courts.

    If that were the case then ILGA would have scored Ireland close to 100% in their annual review, instead we scored 52% this year (ranking 15th in Europe). Common sense has prevailed in many areas but there is still a lot of work to do in a lot of areas.

    The employment equality act was updated in 2015 but it still did not completely close a glaringly large loophole and next time you try to give blood mention you are a sexually active MSM and see what happens.

    Moderator: Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual & Transgender, Vegan & Vegetarian

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    #37
    wakka12
    Registered Users Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    seanrambo87 wrote: »
    Do you actually have anything constructive to say or are you just going to rely on tired memes to try and discredit me? Why don't you type your opinion?

    How is it being rammed down your throat? Its one day a year, I agree gay people have all the rights of a straihgt person now and that discrimination is lowest it has ever been, and thats great, and pride is somewhat of a hangover from a time when that wasnt the case and it was necessary, and now today because of that it can be more of a celebration of how far gay rights have come than some kind of protest, whats the big deal? whats your problem?


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    #38
    seanrambo87
    Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭seanrambo87


    JackTaylorFan wrote:
    My opinion is: you seem overly concerned with gay people shoving things down your throat.


    Wow, just wow, you have just confirmed to me that you are not worthy of civil discord. Nice wordplay there pal.


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    #39
    seanrambo87
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    wakka12 wrote:
    How is it being rammed down your throat? Its one day a year, I agree gay people have all the rights of a straihgt person now and that discrimination is lowest it has ever been, and thats great, and pride is somewhat of a hangover from a time when that wasnt the case and it was necessary, and now today because of that it can be more of a celebration of how far gay rights have come than some kind of protest, whats the big deal? whats your problem?


    Granted its one day a year, but let's be honest it is championed every day, all day, the fact is not really necessary theses days is it? Gays maybe beaten on the street, but straights are beaten on the street just as much, this isn't the 80s we've all come along and we all get along. I'm getting sick of people using their sexuality as some sort of excuse, if I got the **** kicked out of me I will not use the fact that I love eating **** be the reason. GROW UP you ****ing child


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    #40
    EdgeCase
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    It’s not being rammed anywhere. It’s just a festival.
    My concern with Pride is that it might forget that it has a political side with all the commercialism that’s evolving around it.

    It also is still a section of society that’s only just out of the shadows, so it’s still very important that it remains visible. That visibility continues to be a beacon of support for people here and elsewhere.


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    #41
    JackTaylorFan
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    seanrambo87 wrote: »
    Wow, just wow, you have just confirmed to me that you are not worthy of civil discord. Nice wordplay there pal.

    You're the one bringing up these visceral images, not me.

    As an asexual, I could complain about all these allos (straight or gay or whatever) making everything sexual in society and ramming it down my throat too... But, you know, I'm just not that bothered, to be honest... Which makes me wonder why you are...


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    #42
    JupiterKid
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    Troll alert. I foresee a ban and....sigh....another locked thread.


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    #43
    seanrambo87
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    FlamingMelloww wrote:
    Problem is, none of the lads in my year said they wanted to go with me, and I don’t know any lads outside of school I could take. I kind of need a date, as I don’t have a group of close friends to go with. My two best friends won’t go. I figure if I have a date, I’ll at least have company for the long bus ride and dinner and can probably sneak out after if I’m having a terrible time, because my year will be too drunk to notice.

    JupiterKid wrote:
    Troll alert. I foresee a ban and....sigh....another locked thread.

    Why would a ban be forthcoming? Can we not discuss our views? Do I have to agree with you?


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    #44
    seanrambo87
    Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭seanrambo87


    JupiterKid wrote:
    Troll alert. I foresee a ban and....sigh....another locked thread.


    Am I a troll? I do not agreed with you. Should I be banned?


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    #45
    seanrambo87
    Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭seanrambo87


    Why don't you answer me? I may not answer for a while but you know I need sleep so can't be on the ball, am I racist? Homophobic, ageist, sexist anti Semitic ?


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    #46
    Annasopra
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    Seanrambo87

    I have given you a 1 day ban for trolling and personally attacking several posters. Don't post in this thread when your 1 day ban expires. Everyone else don't bother responding to his posts. And in relation to "troll alert" posts can I ask if posters could report instead of back seat moderaring in future.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #47
    An_Toirpin
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    Ten of Swords wrote: »
    An_Toirpin wrote: »
    Gays have every single right that everyone else is afforded. If they didnt they would have been forced on the Gov by international courts.

    If that were the case then ILGA would have scored Ireland close to 100% in their annual review, instead we scored 52% this year (ranking 15th in Europe).  Common sense has prevailed in many areas but there is still a lot of work to do in a lot of areas.

    The employment equality act was updated in 2015 but it still did not completely close a glaringly large loophole and next time you try to give blood mention you are a sexually active MSM and see what happens.
    There is no right to give blood. There never was a right to give blood and there never will be. There are restrictions on all sorts of people and given are history of infecting people with contaminated blood I think playing it extra is defensible.


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    #48
    An_Toirpin
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    There were no personal attacks on this thread, just hurt egos.


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    #49
    wakka12
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    An_Toirpin wrote: »
    There were no personal attacks on this thread, just hurt egos.
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    seanrambo87 wrote: »
    GROW UP you ****ing child


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    #50
    P_1
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    It has gotten to big for the route. The commercialisation needs to be toned town a bit too. Like Amazon et al great you're giving money but does your float really have to be such a bloody monstrosity?


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    #51
    Annasopra
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    An_Toirpin wrote: »
    There were no personal attacks on this thread, just hurt egos.


    Mod


    There was. Quit the back seat modding.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #52
    Mr.Frame
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    wakka12 wrote: »
    How is it being rammed down your throat? Its one day a year, I agree gay people have all the rights of a straihgt person now and that discrimination is lowest it has ever been, and thats great, and pride is somewhat of a hangover from a time when that wasnt the case and it was necessary, and now today because of that it can be more of a celebration of how far gay rights have come than some kind of protest, whats the big deal? whats your problem?

    I disagree.
    There is still a lot of discrimination, take for example parenting rights. Gay men who are married and have a child, are still being discriminated against.


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    #53
    An_Toirpin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 424 ✭✭An_Toirpin


    Mr.Frame wrote: »
    wakka12 wrote: »
    How is it being rammed down your throat? Its one day a year, I agree gay people have all the rights of a straihgt person now and that discrimination is lowest it has ever been, and thats great, and pride is somewhat of a hangover from a time when that wasnt the case and it was necessary, and now today because of that it can be more of a celebration of how far gay rights have come than some kind of protest, whats the big deal? whats your problem?

    I disagree.
    There is still a lot of discrimination, take for example parenting rights. Gay men who are married and have a child, are still being discriminated against.
    Do you mean gay men who are estranged from their former female spouses? That is a real issue but it is a fatherhood issue. It affects all men equally.


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    #54
    Annasopra
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    An_Toirpin wrote: »
    Do you mean gay men who are estranged from their former female spouses? That is a real issue but it is a fatherhood issue. It affects all men equally.

    I think they meant married gay couples parenting together who are not legally recognised as parents.


    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/gay-couple-let-down-ireland-12843829

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/same-sex-couple-cant-get-passport-for-baby-daughter-unless-one-woman-signs-away-her-rights-831300.html

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #55
    J_E
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    An_Toirpin wrote: »
    On rights. Gays have every single right that everyone else is afforded. If they didnt they would have been forced on the Gov by international courts.
    Find a friend of the same sex, hold their hand, and walk down the street in a town outside of Dublin.

    You might find it doesn't correlate with your above statement.


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    #56
    An_Toirpin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 424 ✭✭An_Toirpin


    J_E wrote: »
    An_Toirpin wrote: »
    On rights. Gays have every single right that everyone else is afforded. If they didnt they would have been forced on the Gov by international courts.
    Find a friend of the same sex, hold their hand, and walk down the street in a town outside of Dublin.

    You might find it doesn't correlate with your above statement.
    I am sorry but that is nothing to do with ones enshrined rights.
    I think they meant married gay couples parenting together who are not legally recognised as parents.


    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/gay-couple-let-down-ireland-12843829

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/same-sex-couple-cant-get-passport-for-baby-daughter-unless-one-woman-signs-away-her-rights-831300.html
    Again, that is not a gay issue. Only one of them is the father. This situation happens all the times to straight couples.


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    #57
    Annasopra
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    An_Toirpin wrote: »
    I am sorry but that is nothing to do with ones enshrined rights.

    Again, that is not a gay issue. Only one of them is the father. This situation happens all the times to straight couples.

    What are you on about?
    Of course its a gay issue. Both are the childrens parents. This does not happen to straight couples all the time that their children are left in legal limbo.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #58
    An_Toirpin
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    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    What are you on about?
    Of course its a gay issue. Both are the childrens parents. This does not happen to straight couples all the time that their children are left in legal limbo.
    They should do what straight people do in this situation. The non parent should just adopt the child. Most adoptions are this kind of 'internal' adoption. The child has a right to know its parent and falsly adding two mothers or two fathers is ridculous. The child will figure out in time who is the real parent.


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    #59
    Annasopra
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    An_Toirpin wrote: »
    They should do what straight people do in this situation. The non parent should just adopt the child. Most adoptions are this kind of 'internal' adoption. The child has a right to know its parent and falsly adding two mothers or two fathers is ridculous. The child will figure out in time who is the real parent.

    Its not false, the children are being parented by gay or lesbian couples. An adoption is not always possible either because there are problems with the Children and family relationships act. Sorry but straight couples do not have the same legal problems at all and just whataboutery from you.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #60
    An_Toirpin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 424 ✭✭An_Toirpin


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    An_Toirpin wrote: »
    They should do what straight people do in this situation. The non parent should just adopt the child. Most adoptions are this kind of 'internal' adoption. The child has a right to know its parent and falsly adding two mothers or two fathers is ridculous. The child will figure out in time who is the real parent.

    Its not false, the children are being parented by gay or lesbian couples. An adoption is not always possible either because there are problems with the Children and family relationships act. Sorry but straight couples do not have the same legal problems at all and just whataboutery from you.
    There are many legal barriers to adoption for straight people too and in both straight and gay cases these can normally be overcome. Putting two men on a birth cert as the biological parents is not teh solution. It is a low level form of child abuse.


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    #61
    J_E
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    An_Toirpin wrote: »
    There are many legal barriers to adoption for straight people too and in both straight and gay cases these can normally be overcome. Putting two men on a birth cert as the biological parents is not teh solution. It is a low level form of child abuse.
    Can you expand on what you mean by that, I'm not really sure I understand.
    An_Toirpin wrote: »
    I am sorry but that is nothing to do with ones enshrined rights.

    You say 'gays have all the same rights' and I think my response still stands. I feel like you are deliberately misinterpreting what I said.


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