Active shooter Maryland

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Daily mail reporting 4 dead so far

kneemos

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Like a quite night in Chicago.

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https://www.facebook.com/DailyMail/videos/3668060843253637/ Live feed

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Active-Shooter-Reported-at-Newspaper-Building-in-Maryland-486855471.html

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Annapolis Maryland. Still at large in newspaper building

Conservatory

I used to care about these but I’m not watching hours of looped news reports from two miles away. I’ll catch up in the morning

J. Marston

Edit: Wrong thread.

Pelvis

Conservatory wrote: »

I used to care about these but I’m not watching hours of looped news reports from two miles away. I’ll catch up in the morning

Thanks for letting us know.

verycool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8rMYyegT5Y

Conservatory

Pelvis wrote: »

Thanks for letting us know.

Thanks for expressing your gratitude on a thread about a few people who died miles away in the same country where more people will be shot in poor suburbs in places like Chicago in the next few hours it nobody will care because it’s not a building with white people in it.

There bullets spraying across Chicago parks right now more than likely it’s only getting reported about this building because it’s happening in a building.
Wtf like

Donald Trump

US Naval Academy is based in Anapolis.

There was a shooting a few years back at Navy Yard in DC. I think that was when the Navy were still there too.

Hitman3000

'Thoughts and Prayers'. Every bit as useful as anything else that will be said here.

Omackeral

This is America... don't catch you slippin'

verycool

Omackeral wrote: »

This is America... don't catch you slippin'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfO9yXHP8GM

steddyeddy

What? In America? Are you sure?

Outlaw Pete

Jaysus, thought you meant Maryland, Dublin 8.

jaykay74

Conservatory wrote: »

Pelvis wrote: »

Thanks for letting us know.

Thanks for expressing your gratitude on a thread about a few people who died miles away in the same country where more people will be shot in poor suburbs in places like Chicago in the next few hours it nobody will care because it’s not a building with white people in it.

There bullets spraying across Chicago parks right now more than likely it’s only getting reported about this building because it’s happening in a building.
Wtf like

Maybe start a thread on the Chicago shooting then?

Samuel T. Cogley

Conservatory wrote: »

Thanks for expressing your gratitude on a thread about a few people who died miles away in the same country where more people will be shot in poor suburbs in places like Chicago in the next few hours it nobody will care because it’s not a building with white people in it.

There bullets spraying across Chicago parks right now more than likely it’s only getting reported about this building because it’s happening in a building.
Wtf like

Always makes me think of this

slavetothegrind

take a minute there folks....

_Brian

Interesting to see the reactions here and how these events become mundain, accepted and even a source of humour.

At least four individuals left home on a normal day, but will never ever be coming home.
If you’ve never had that happen to a member of your family at least try and imagine what it must be like, the hurt and devastation it causes.

America seems to be falling to pieces, but we shouldn’t make fun of it happening either.

20Cent

Attacking a newspaper is a new one. Has anyone been whipping up hatred for the press recently?

Akrasia

verycool wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8rMYyegT5Y

As usual, Brooker is right in a way, but it does boil down to a 'guns don't kill people, people talking about guns killing people kills people' argument

Dozens of countries cover these US mass shootings, but the only country that has US style mass shooting copycat killers, is in the US, where uncoincidentally, they also have a ridiculous culture of jingostic association between gun ownership and national pride/freedom.

Guns are tools. And people who think guns are toys or some kind of symbol of feedom and democracy, are even bigger tools.

steddyeddy

_Brian wrote: »

Interesting to see the reactions here and how these events become mundain, accepted and even a source of humour.

At least four individuals left home on a normal day, but will never ever be coming home.
If you’ve never had that happen to a member of your family at least try and imagine what it must be like, the hurt and devastation it causes.

America seems to be falling to pieces, but we shouldn’t make fun of it happening either.

I'd normally agree. However this has gone on far too long and will happen again and again if gun control and a change in culture isn't introduced. In a few weeks/days we will be talking about the same thing. The same posters will be calling for gun control and the same posters will be saying nothing needs changing. On the last few threads several gun nuts used it as an excuse to list the guns they own. Not once stating why they need assault rifles only stating "you won't take our guns". You can bet even if gun control would save 100 lives a year the gun nuts would be against it.

The gun nuts are like anti-vaccers at this stage in that the culture they're promoting is costing people's lives. You can't reason with these people therefore humor is an appropriate outlet IMHO. We're not laughing at the deaths, but the bizarre situation that is facilitating events like this.

UsedToWait

_Brian wrote: »

America seems to be falling to pieces, but we shouldn’t make fun of it happening either.

True, but in fairness, if they don't evolve, and they base their rule of law on on a fundamentalist / literal reading of a 200 year old document (every bit as fundamentalist as any of the religious loons you'd care to mention), even after the horror of Sandy Hook and innumerable other atrocities, we should be pointing out how bizarre it is, if not quite making a joke of it.

Akrasia

and now for a bit of balance. I'm sitting outside and I can hear the sound in the distance of at least two gob****es racing through the streets of a small town in their modified cars in a country where the biggest two causes of death for young people are suicide and road traffic accidents.

gandalf

Apparently the shooter is refusing to talk and has removed his fingertips so he can't be identified. Reported on BBC News just now.

Pelvis

gandalf wrote: »

Apparently the shooter is refusing to talk and has removed his fingertips so he can't be identified. Reported on BBC News just now.

Did he remove his face too?

Conservatory

jaykay74 wrote: »

Maybe start a thread on the Chicago shooting then?

Look here’s how it will go. People will express sadness. People will blame Muslims. Other people will blame local terrorists. When it’s found who the gunman is the people who are right will whoop and holler. A few people will talk about gun laws. Trumps reaction will be criticized.

Somebody will say the answer is more guns.

Nobody will really care about the victims.

wexie

gandalf wrote: »

Apparently the shooter is refusing to talk and has removed his fingertips so he can't be identified. Reported on BBC News just now.

Pelvis wrote: »

Did he remove his face too?

and pulled all of his teeth?

wexie

_Brian wrote: »

America seems to be falling to pieces, but we shouldn’t make fun of it happening either.

No, perhaps. But humour is a pretty powerful coping mechanism.

If you let these things get to you too much you'll be under the kitchen table in fetal position soon enough.

It sucks, people died....but.....none of us here are likely to change it. The people in charge in the US don't seem overly interested in trying anything to change it (whatever that might be) so what are ya gonna do?

I don't think humour is any less valid a response than sending thoughts and prayers and about as useful.

super_furry

Gottta be a white shooter - he’s still alive.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

What came first?

Chicken getting its name from the place. Or did Maryland get its name from the chicken?


Anyway thoughts and prayers for Mary and her land.

refusetolose

suspects suspected twitter profile https://twitter.com/EricHartleyFrnd

NinetyTwoTeam

refusetolose wrote: »

suspects suspected twitter profile https://twitter.com/EricHartleyFrnd

that's his acct, tho the username in the url above is not his name. he's half white half Hispanic with the surname Ramos.

apparently the Capital was targeted because they ran a story about how this guy contacted a woman he went to high school with on Facebook. She did not remember him, but he told her she was the only person in school who was nice to him. After revealing some issues he had, she suggested he get counseling. He then stalked her and harassed her, leading to a court case, and the paper reported on the case.

so no religious or political reasons, just a mentally ill incel-type.

SharpshooterTom

CNN have confirmed the shooter is called Jarrod W Ramos, I'll give you a few tweets from Jake Tapper's account including one of his retweets:
https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1012494171607838720
https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1012497411758018561
https://twitter.com/jemillerwbal/status/1012497327452499968

SharpshooterTom

Here's the shooter's twitter which has his intro as:

"Dear reader: I created this page to defend myself. Now I'm suing the **** out of half of AA County and making corpses of corrupt careers and corporate entities."
https://twitter.com/EricHartleyFrnd/status/689262288000413701
https://twitter.com/EricHartleyFrnd/status/690309688668372997
And disturbingly wrote just hours before the shooting:
https://twitter.com/EricHartleyFrnd/status/1012404716272324611

SharpshooterTom

Although one wonders how somebody of that mental state in any civilized society is allowed to buy a gun in the first place. Welcome to NRA's America.

Jim Bob Scratcher

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

CNN have confirmed the shooter is called Jarrod W Ramos, I'll give you a few tweets from Jake Tapper's account including one of his retweets:
https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1012494171607838720
https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1012497411758018561
https://twitter.com/jemillerwbal/status/1012497327452499968

Confirmed folks, it's a white man

Omackeral

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Although one wonders how somebody of that mental state in any civilized society is allowed to buy a gun in the first place. Welcome to NRA's America.

Is it though?

Mrhuth

Akrasia wrote: »

As usual, Brooker is right in a way, but it does boil down to a 'guns don't kill people, people talking about guns killing people kills people' argument

Dozens of countries cover these US mass shootings, but the only country that has US style mass shooting copycat killers, is in the US, where uncoincidentally, they also have a ridiculous culture of jingostic association between gun ownership and national pride/freedom.

Guns are tools. And people who think guns are toys or some kind of symbol of feedom and democracy, are even bigger tools.

Oh no no no, people that want to completely take away the guns are the biggest tools who want to restrict their own freedom. Absolute sheep that give all the power to the government, I would love to be American, at least then I would know if a criminal with a knife or something similar would jump me, I would have something to defend myself. What are you going to do in Ireland? Run? Try to fight back with bare hands against a knife? Just look how many stabbings happened in here and UK. These people didn't even have a chance. Something like a German model would be perfect, you need a licence for a firearm but you can buy things like batons, tasersband pepper spray without a licence as this gives people a chance to protect themselves. Even ****ing pepper spray is banned in Ireland. But we are so proud of our restrictions on firearms because some farmer shot someone somewhere as a result it was the excuse to take away guns from absolutely everyone.
No one is more of a tool then the one giving more power to the government voluntarily which restricts their own freedom.

How many % of all gun owners shoot someone? I would say it is around 0.01% if that.

Switzerland has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world. So where are all the mass shootings?

2 Scoops

20Cent wrote: »

Attacking a newspaper is a new one. Has anyone been whipping up hatred for the press recently?

Well done. You'd be the first to shout if this was a terrorism thread and scalding those for prejudging.

As far as the media is concerned, when political anchors and commentators are done calling Trump Hitler and his supporters Nazi's all day I'll get on board with Trump toning down the rhetoric towards factions of them. Until then I'm fine with it and have no problem seeing certain segments of the media called out for what they are, scum.

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/393618-msnbcs-deutsch-equates-trump-voters-to-nazi-guards-if-you-vote-for-trump-youre

RIP to the victims.

TOss Sweep

_Brian wrote: »

America seems to be falling to pieces, but we shouldn’t make fun of it happening either.

Is it though? So many people say this but life has not changed for most of the country. Like myself they get on with their daily lives and nothing has changed for them. Could I be caught up in a shooting at some point? Sure its possible they happen on a daily basis across the US. But I could be killed on the road quicker. The country is not falling to pieces.

Look past the political nonsense from both camps and the mass hysteria created by the media and you will find America is just fine.

R.I.P to anyone who has lost their life today in the US and around the world.

20Cent

20Cent wrote: »

Attacking a newspaper is a new one. Has anyone been whipping up hatred for the press recently?

I stubbed my toe, I know who I blame.

20Cent

2 Scoops wrote: »

Well done. You'd be the first to shout if this was a terrorism thread and scalding those for prejudging.

As far as the media is concerned, when political anchors and commentators are done calling Trump Hitler and his supporters Nazi's all day I'll get on board with Trump toning down the rhetoric towards factions of them. Until then I'm fine with it and have no problem seeing certain segments of the media called out for what they are, scum.

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/393618-msnbcs-deutsch-equates-trump-voters-to-nazi-guards-if-you-vote-for-trump-youre

RIP to the victims.

Journalists are reporting on the huge increase in death threats they have been getting since the trump election.

wexie

20Cent wrote: »

Journalists are reporting on the huge increase in death threats they have been getting since the trump election.

Probably mostly from the man himself, on Twitter :pac:

seamus

Deleted User wrote: »

I stubbed my toe, I know who I blame.

So you're saying it's the journalists' own faults for getting shot?

Kirby

Akrasia wrote: »

As usual, Brooker is right in a way, but it does boil down to a 'guns don't kill people, people talking about guns killing people kills people' argument

Dozens of countries cover these US mass shootings, but the only country that has US style mass shooting copycat killers, is in the US, where uncoincidentally, they also have a ridiculous culture of jingostic association between gun ownership and national pride/freedom.

Guns are tools. And people who think guns are toys or some kind of symbol of feedom and democracy, are even bigger tools.

I appreciate the sentiment of the overall post but the bolded part is dead wrong.

A hammer is a tool. So is a screwdriver. A car is a tool. You can kill somebody with all of them but that is not their purpose.

A gun is not a tool. It's a weapon of war. It's designed to do one thing and thats to kill. That is its intended and only function.

Will I Am Not

Lol at the people trying to pin this on Trump. Read the guys Twitter timeline ffs.

WinnyThePoo

2 Scoops wrote: »

Well done. You'd be the first to shout if this was a terrorism thread and scalding those for prejudging.

As far as the media is concerned, when political anchors and commentators are done calling Trump Hitler and his supporters Nazi's all day I'll get on board with Trump toning down the rhetoric towards factions of them. Until then I'm fine with it and have no problem seeing certain segments of the media called out for what they are, scum.

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/393618-msnbcs-deutsch-equates-trump-voters-to-nazi-guards-if-you-vote-for-trump-youre

RIP to the victims.

Hey guys , its all the media fault Donald Trump can't tell truth.

wexie

Kirby wrote: »

A gun is not a tool. It's a weapon of war. It's designed to do one thing and thats to kill. That is its intended and only function.

That's not entirely true now is it?

Are you saying that farmers all over the country are waging war on foxes and crows?

Or would you say they're using guns as tools for pest control?

I largely agree with what I think is the sentiment of your post but you're definitely oversimplifying it a bit. For many people all over the world a gun is just a tool that they need (not want, need) to do their jobs safely or just to protect themselves. In most of those places people seem to be able to do that without major drama (like here in Ireland for example)

Kirby

wexie wrote: »

That's not entirely true now is it?

Are you saying that farmers all over the country are waging war on foxes and crows?

Or would you say they're using guns as tools for pest control?

I largely agree with what I think is the sentiment of your post but you're definitely oversimplifying it a bit. For many people all over the world a gun is just a tool that they need (not want, need) to do their jobs safely or just to protect themselves. In most of those places people seem to be able to do that without major drama (like here in Ireland for example)

You just proved my point for me. What do you think those farmers are using those guns for? They kill the foxes with them. Because that is it what a gun is. A weapon designed to kill. That is what it was designed to do and that is what it does. It's a weapon....not a tool.

And don't get me started on that old "protection" chestnut. A gun doesn't protect anything. When you send your kid out on his bike, you don't hand him a glock. You give him a helmet. THATS protection. The only thing you are going to be doing with a gun is kill people. If somebody walks up to you on the street and shoots you through the chest, the gun in your holster or pocket isn't "protecting" anything. And thats ignoring the sad fact that statistically, you are more likely to shoot yourself or a family member than an attacker.

And the reason why there is no "drama" as you put it in Ireland is because an 18 year old can't walk into Spar, fill out a form and order himself weapon designed to kill people.

America has 400 million guns in civilian possession. More than anywhere else in the world by a country mile. More guns in the country than people. Let that sink in. THAT is their problem. Everything else is just whataboutery and obfuscation by people trying to distract you from the blindingly obvious.

ELM327

The most annoying part of this is people trying to blame the potus for this.
Yeah thats right, Trump is responsible for all the nutjobs and psychos! Even on newstalk this morning. Such BS.

Guns are not the problem. The problem is nutjobs being able to access them. Plenty of guns in rural ireland but we rarely have shootings (outside of gangs, which we don't really care)