Legal issue for online abuse

dodderangler

I received word that someone had taken a picture of my page and my CHILDREN to post on a ban hunting with dogs site and I've gotten hate off people because I hunt etc. Now I don't care about me hunting etc but they have posted pictures of my children on it.
Is this a legal issue because I have no permission for pictures of my children on it

cookimonster

If it's face book your talking about and you can find the details of the group or post you can report to face book directly and claim harassment of you and your family.
If you can access the page yourself then you can report it directly but other wise if it's closed then you'll need to get more info or a screen shot if possible.

solarwinds

I dont know anything about nosebook or the likes but i do know if that was me and someone put up pictures of my kids like that id be straight round to the guards.

Reati

dodderangler wrote: »

I received word that someone had taken a picture of my page and my CHILDREN to post on a ban hunting with dogs site and I've gotten hate off people because I hunt etc. Now I don't care about me hunting etc but they have posted pictures of my children on it.
Is this a legal issue because I have no permission for pictures of my children on it

Its harassment. Screenshot for evidence and you should report to Gardaí. Then report to Facebook to remove images.

Grizzly 45

Depends also where and when the pic was taken.If it was in a public place,you have little or no expectation of privacy.If it was taken on private property without your consent or in an intrusive manner.IE a UAV or a telephoto lens,you have some case. Good point ,is, however, minors are involved without parental consent of their picture being used for harassment or intimidation of both them and you.. You also have good grounds to go after those pks legally.

Reati

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Depends also where and when the pic was taken.If it was in a public place,you have little or no expectation of privacy.If it was taken on private property without your consent or in an intrusive manner.IE a UAV or a telephoto lens,you have some case. Good point ,is, however, minors are involved without parental consent of their picture being used for harassment or intimidation of both them and you.. You also have good grounds to go after those pks legally.

Couple of corrections as I wouldn't mix intent and location of the photo.

Yes, you can take a photo of anything you can see from a public space. You can take pictures of minors without permission in public.

You can take pictures from public space onto private property. There is no law forbidding that. You can not be on private property and take images without permission (though spaces like shopping centers are a grey area unless they explicitly state no photography) but to be clear its traspass is the crime or invasion of privacy.

Anyway, yes you cannot take pictures where you have expecation of privacy. Ie someone getting changed and you take picture through bedroom window. You cannot also harass someone to take a picture. For example, it can be argued that if you are in public and someone takes your photo, you can tell them to stop and walk away. They don't have to stop taking your photo as you walk away but if they start following you to do it, it's harassment.

In this case though, it sounds like the photos were lifted from Facebook and the pictures are being used to insight harassment (and you can argue hate laws too) so you should legally report this to the Gardaí.

Source: I'm a photographer and been at this for a long time lol.

cookimonster

I would agree with Reati here, it is not the case of the photos themselves as I would suspect they are or where on a public domain but the way in which the pictures and associated material is been used in a negative abusive manner.

cookimonster

Subjects that are reportable to Facebook:
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dodderangler

I am not on Facebook but I had to join it to see it for myself. Screenshots were taken from my Instagram page and posted onto a ban hunting with dogs page on Facebook. I don't hunt with dogs for a start. And the screenshots were of myself and my children in my house and in the park etc. I had one fella send me a private message on Instagram saying he'd burn my house down with my children in it. TBH I'd rather go after him personally myself but there's a lot of them with these stupid threats that I'd rather go to the Garda over and have the page and its feeds taken down and its pages it shares with. How sad can someone be and there's plenty of other lads on it who have had the same happen to them aswell

solarwinds

Sounds like a hate crime to me. Let guards deal with it. That person has threatened your family let the law deal with it. No one is anonomous on the internet.

Peatys

Print the screen shots and drop into the guards

silent_spark

No matter what your viewpoint is on hunting, using photos of children in this manner is really inappropriate. Have you messaged the page administrators requesting they remove the photos with your children? Do this, document it, then make the same request to Facebook. If they continue to post photos with your children, take your evidence to the Gardai.

Asus X540L

dodderangler wrote: »

I am not on Facebook but I had to join it to see it for myself. Screenshots were taken from my Instagram page and posted onto a ban hunting with dogs page on Facebook. I don't hunt with dogs for a start. And the screenshots were of myself and my children in my house and in the park etc. I had one fella send me a private message on Instagram saying he'd burn my house down with my children in it. TBH I'd rather go after him personally myself but there's a lot of them with these stupid threats that I'd rather go to the Garda over and have the page and its feeds taken down and its pages it shares with. How sad can someone be and there's plenty of other lads on it who have had the same happen to them aswell

that dude that threatened to burn your house down with your kids in it is in serious trouble.

Bring the screenshots to the guards he's looking at jail time

Even if it's a fake Instagram he can easily be tracked down

cookimonster

Unfortunately this sort of thing is not new, have a look through FB and you'll see this is a common tactic. You tube is a magnet l for haters as well, either hairy knuckled trolls or bigots.

I'm not condoning it in any shape or reason but most of these sad twats are nothing but key board warriors, either immature kids/ teenagers or fluffy bunny slipper whareing tree huggers who never set foot off the beaten track.

It is unfortunate that we have to guard every little thing nowadays, I hope you get satisfaction bit as said on here let the authorities deal with it.

Half-cocked

dodderangler wrote: »

I had one fella send me a private message on Instagram saying he'd burn my house down with my children in it.

Straight to the Gardaí with that one. Threats of violence against children, arson etc.

homerhop

It’s a UK based FBgroup <snip> with many Irish contributors. A lot of nasty individuals on that group and I have seen others asking for pictures of their kids to be removed, only to be jeered and mocked by the group admin and posters. A couple of individuals from your parish have made comments. I will send you screen shots if it’s any use to you

Reati

silent_spark wrote: »

No matter what your viewpoint is on hunting, using photos of children in this manner is really inappropriate.

Absolutely. To be honest, I don't approve of hunting personally myself but this carry on is disgusting to me. It's crazy to put your kids online or target you like that. They deserve to be reported.

yubabill

Dodder, really sorry to hear you're going through this.

My advice is go the legal route. I have kids and I would not stand for these threats, however hollow they may look from our outside perspective.

AGS will try to fob you off, don't take any prevarications from them, push this and push it hard - find those keyboard warriors and make sure they never get the chance to carry out their threats on anyone.

Play them at their own game, and win.

Remember a certain anti hare coursing letter-writer who allegedly threatened people around 1990? He's all respectable now, but a court date was enough to mend his ways, even though the case fell because he was seen having a chat with a witness beforehand.

Grizzly 45

The 1980s more like...:p

dodderangler

homerhop wrote: »

It’s a UK based FBgroup started by Judi Hewitt with many Irish contributors. A lot of nasty individuals on that group and I have seen others asking for pictures of their kids to be removed, only to be jeered and mocked by the group admin and posters. A couple of individuals from your parish have made comments. I will send you screen shots if it’s any use to you

Thank you but it's ok. The picture has been taken down apparently but god knows what other pages it was shared to.

dodderangler

Thanks to all who have commented with advice and help. Compared to the lads in work who said to find them and batter them😂 That'd only make it worse being a gun owner. I am only home from work so I'll have myself a shower and head up with the screenshots to show them.
Thanks again to all.

wexie

Perhaps something to think about : you can make your instagram page private which means you have to approve all followers...if it already is private then you may want to try to figure out who took the images from your instagram and shared them with these groups?

homerhop

All your comments on their page have been removed. But the original screen shot is still up. What’s sad is their is some dickhead claiming to be in a gun club agreeing with them

Jackdaw89

These people tend to be complete and utter losers in life. The only reason those pictures were shared on Facebook was to get at you and the shooting community as a hole. Their all cowards but do keep in mind they are probably a little stunted mentally from a traumatic childhood and lack of socialization just like a bad Patterdale Terrier.

Glass fused light

First Gardai all the way make a complaint about the individuals and the organisation. Then the UK police force with the same complaints.
I would not react in anyway but insist the Gardai deal with the harassment particularly if there are any local involved. Eg Get the Gardai to explain the harassment legistation and the misuse of telecoms legislation. Ditto the uk force. The uk had designate some of the nutters attacking the Scottish company Hunt... Life Science as terrorist so they may be "happy" to have a complaint against the group.
The tech section may give you tips on what data can be mined from FB & IG and any other social media you can think of. Lock the data down on your side and let family know to be cautious about their settings.
A sockpuppet ID and a throw away sim may be a good investment to research the otherside but don't use it as a weapon.
Look to see if you, your partner or your childern's names or near family or home address come a google bing or other search engine.
Apparently you can also do a data search for images I don't know how.
If you can match any of the Facebook people to instagram report on both sites for the death threats.
If the pictures were taken by an individual or stolen off your page I would contact Data Protection commissioner ireland and uk as it is personal data collected without your or your childern's consent, and see if anything can be done from that side.
I would check if any of the images carry geo-location data and turn off this option on all tech in your household that can take a photo.

Grizzly 45

dodderangler wrote: »

Thanks to all who have commented with advice and help. Compared to the lads in work who said to find them and batter them&#55357;&#56834; That'd only make it worse being a gun owner

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Nah,do a Tommy Robinson on them, go with two uninvolved witnesses and a video to their address,and ask to speak to Mr/Mss Keyboard warrior /hunt sab. Tommy did that to a couple of muppets that threatened his family, and filmed it.No violence or threat of it, just wanting to know why you want to burn my house down and hurt my kids?I'm here now so now you have a chance to say your bit like a man to my face.FB the video then, nothing more ego deflating when your victim turns out to be a large wolf and has the moxxie to knock on your door.:)

gunny123

Sorry to hear about this Dodder, must be a nightmare. That social media rubbish is a den of brain doner trolls, creepy stalkers and the like. I never seen the point of it and never went near it.

But this is unacceptable, threats of violence against your kids is beyond the pale.

Doctors room ghost

dodderangler wrote: »

I am not on Facebook but I had to join it to see it for myself. Screenshots were taken from my Instagram page and posted onto a ban hunting with dogs page on Facebook. I don't hunt with dogs for a start. And the screenshots were of myself and my children in my house and in the park etc. I had one fella send me a private message on Instagram saying he'd burn my house down with my children in it. TBH I'd rather go after him personally myself but there's a lot of them with these stupid threats that I'd rather go to the Garda over and have the page and its feeds taken down and its pages it shares with. How sad can someone be and there's plenty of other lads on it who have had the same happen to them aswell

Print out the pages with the threats on them dodder and report it to the local garda station.bring the printed out pages with you and ask the guards to have a look at them.they are v serious threats that you outlined and should be reported to the guards immediately.best of luck with it.dont go after him personally.go straight to the guards with it.

gctest50

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Judy Hewitt AKA "screaming Judy" already has a criminal record and is a total nutter of 1st class order.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11188598/Anti-hunt-campaigner-guilty-of-assaulting-terrier-man.html

http://www.huntsabs.co.uk/hunt-sabs

Her homepage http://www.walesagainstanimalcruelty.org.uk/id8.html Seems to have about 5 FB pages as well.

So yeah good reasons to have this removed and also to have AGS inform the UK police as well.

LATER.
Found the group and thread on FB, i think..delightful bunch of hypocrites.

All non-violence and double standards.

You forgot bullsh!t and lies there


Straight from that homepage, right in the middle of it :

CHECK OUT THE FOLLOWING SONG BY SINGER SONG WRITER SARAH McLACHLAN.

Usual loopers stunt of trying to associate something famous with them

Jonathan Melvoin was the keyboardist for the Smashing Pumpkins before his death after a heroin overdose in 1996.

"I wrote "Angel" after being on the road for almost two years straight and was both mentally and physically drained," McLachlan wrote. "I went to a cottage north of Montreal to relax and write and read an article in Rolling Stone about the Smashing Pumpkins keyboard player who had OD'ed in a hotel room."

She continued, "the story shook me because though I have never done hard drugs like that, I felt a flood of empathy for him and that feeling of being lost an lonely an desperately searching for some kind of release."

dodderangler

Does anyone know if I can get the page taken down from Garda and all the others who shared it aswell? It's really getting out of hand now and my own other half is scared. She shouldn't be but she can't help it now she's not talking to me.

gunny123

What the gardai said ? I think the problem is, once its on the web, its on the web. Removing it from fakebook will only do so much.

dodderangler

gunny123 wrote: »

What the gardai said ? I think the problem is, once its on the web, its on the web. Removing it from fakebook will only do so much.

Garda aid the same thing even though my page was private. Now I'm not worried at all about it. But my other half is. Now we've al been the end of threats from antis etc etc. But she doesn't know that it's all fluff from them

gctest50

They're trying to draw you out hoping you'd make some sort of threat back w/firearm

dodderangler

gctest50 wrote: »

They're trying to draw you out hoping you'd make some sort of threat back w/firearm

I know. Some gob****e on it said The Garda won't be happy with me shooting in a built up area. He actually assumes I hunt In a housing estate. This is how stupid they are

solarwinds

I find it funny these people would lay down their lives to save a mangy old rat but when it comes to other humans well your life and that of your family is expendable.
You really do have to wonder at the mindset of some people.

gctest50

Those loopers wouldn't accept stuff like this either, they'd make out the baby antagonised the fox :

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/376892/Mother-kicks-fox-as-it-drags-baby-through-house


Denny Dolan was asleep in his cot when a fox sneaked into the house and pounced, apparently dragging the boy from his cot and towards the back door.

His horrified mother Hayley Cawley, 28, heard screams and ran in to see her son’s hand lodged “halfway down the throat” of the fox, which also bit little Denny’s face.

Stunned Ms Cawley kicked the animal off her baby and then it fled from the house in Bromley, south-east London

dodderangler

solarwinds wrote: »

I find it funny these people would lay down their lives to save a mangy old rat but when it comes to other humans well your life and that of your family is expendable.
You really do have to wonder at the mindset of some people.

Well said. These types of clowns are willing to try and tell these other idiots to let's go get this bastard for killing innocent animals etc but they won't question where their Burger came from etc.
Any advice on trying to calm down the missus over it. She thinks they'll actually do something about it to Me or the family. We all know they'll find another person to try bully in a day or two on Facebook. Another hunter more likely but she thinks they'll do something.

Grizzly 45

These people and I include anti-gun nutjobs in this are seriously mentally unstable. They promote non-violence and peaceful protest in all things,but then their posts belie their murderous psychopathic tendencies, in threats to the persons property,self or family and wishing they did have access to guns to shoot the person putting them out of sorts.

I'm convinced these liberal fascist types want gun bans is simply because they believe everyone is like them in their thinking process,so therefore they recognise they are unstable mentally and incapable of owning a gun without being an utter danger to themselves as well as others.

Grizzly 45

dodderangler wrote: »

Well said. These types of clowns are willing to try and tell these other idiots to let's go get this bastard for killing innocent animals etc but they won't question where their Burger came from etc.
Any advice on trying to calm down the missus over it. She thinks they'll actually do something about it to Me or the family. We all know they'll find another person to try bully in a day or two on Facebook. Another hunter more likely but she thinks they'll do something.

Keep reassuring her that its those with the biggest gobs do the least fighting and they are all piss&wind because if they were serious, they wouldn't be blathering on Fakebook.
YOU,OTOH,to be sure to be sure, have a discreet look at your own personal security and routines.No need to go all paranoid, just up your awareness levels and vary routines.Just even doing stuff like that can put off potential attacks.Just in case.

solarwinds

Personally if it was me I would report the matter to the guards, including everything up to date.
I would not engage with them at all i would not even acknowledge their existence. All they want is to provoke you into action of some kind so they can turn around and say see we told ya so.
In time they will get bored and move on to some other victim if they see they are having no effect.
At the end of the day they are bullies who have over inflated notions of their own self importance. And if confronted like all bullies they go away.

yubabill

dodderangler wrote: »

Well said. These types of clowns are willing to try and tell these other idiots to let's go get this bastard for killing innocent animals etc but they won't question where their Burger came from etc.
Any advice on trying to calm down the missus over it. She thinks they'll actually do something about it to Me or the family. We all know they'll find another person to try bully in a day or two on Facebook. Another hunter more likely but she thinks they'll do something.

If they don't know your exact address, you're pretty safe.

These types will do nothing. Saw a pack of them protesting in the back end of nowhere a couple of years ago, I was the only person driving by.

Having grown up in a rough area myself, where a few of the people I knew as a kid went on to become lifers, from the look of them the sabs I saw would run if anything were to kick off.

Plus, the ones in the UK are fond of taking assault cases against hunt stewards, so they're hardly ballsy types who can look after themselves in a scrap.

Yes, i know they can be sneaky, but there was a huge animal testing facility in the West of Ireland up until a few months ago and it was never touched.

dodderangler

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Keep reassuring her that its those with the biggest gobs do the least fighting and they are all piss&wind because if they were serious, they wouldn't be blathering on Fakebook.
YOU,OTOH,to be sure to be sure, have a discreet look at your own personal security and routines.No need to go all paranoid, just up your awareness levels and vary routines.Just even doing stuff like that can put off potential attacks.Just in case.

Well as I told herself I'm ready if anything should happen. Not trying to be hard butthey involved my children. That's where I draw the line. Entitled to defend my home. Obviously not wi H my firearms. But I will use whatever I grab a hold of first. But as you said they're all talk. I don't care about them. Just hard to reassure the other half that she's gonna be ok.

dodderangler

solarwinds wrote: »

Personally if it was me I would report the matter to the guards, including everything up to date.
I would not engage with them at all i would not even acknowledge their existence. All they want is to provoke you into action of some kind so they can turn around and say see we told ya so.
In time they will get bored and move on to some other victim if they see they are having no effect.
At the end of the day they are bullies who have over inflated notions of their own self importance. And if confronted like all bullies they go away.

I went to the Garda already. They said they'd contact me tomorrow about it concerning my children but told me to report them all on Facebook anyway. But they're going to deal with the death threats themselves. I had one fella say he'd love to slice me throat ear to ear. I told them to name a time and place and as usual he responds with being a tough guy with no balls to name a location.

gctest50

dodderangler wrote: »

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Any advice on trying to calm down the missus over it. She thinks they'll actually do something about it to Me or the family.

They won't do anything, they know you can find out who they are

And it's better for it to be "all out in the open"

solarwinds

yubabill wrote: »

dodderangler wrote: »

Well said. These types of clowns are willing to try and tell these other idiots to let's go get this bastard for killing innocent animals etc but they won't question where their Burger came from etc.
Any advice on trying to calm down the missus over it. She thinks they'll actually do something about it to Me or the family. We all know they'll find another person to try bully in a day or two on Facebook. Another hunter more likely but she thinks they'll do something.

If they don't know your exact address, you're pretty safe.

These types will do nothing. Saw a pack of them protesting in the back end of nowhere a couple of years ago, I was the only person driving by.

Having grown up in a rough area myself, where a few of the people I knew as a kid went on to become lifers, from the look of them the sabs I saw would run if anything were to kick off.

Plus, the ones in the UK are fond of taking assault cases against hunt stewards, so they're hardly ballsy types who can look after themselves in a scrap.

Yes, i know they can be sneaky, but there was a huge animal testing facility in the West of Ireland up until a few months ago and it was never touched.

Facilities are still there but they would have to leave the safety of their computer screens to do anything and that would be to much like work.

Grizzly 45

dodderangler wrote: »

I went to the Garda already. They said they'd contact me tomorrow about it concerning my children but told me to report them all on Facebook anyway. But they're going to deal with the death threats themselves. I had one fella say he'd love to slice me throat ear to ear. I told them to name a time and place and as usual he responds with being a tough guy with no balls to name a location.

Did he make that on FB?? That's his account closed if FB monitoring does their job.:rolleyes:
It would be FB gold if you could show up at HIS door with a video and introduce yourself to his parents, wife, kids as the bloke your husband.son, the father wants to cut his throat for being a hunter. So here I am...Have you got some plastic for the carpets and furniture, as it might get messy?:D

gctest50

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Did he make that on FB?? That's his account closed if FB monitoring does their job.:rolleyes:

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Find out if he did it on work time on a work computer

Doctors room ghost

Don’t engage with them anymore dodder.dont respond to them in anyway.starve them of the attention they crave and they will punch themselves out and move on to someone else.
They are lie about bums with nothing better for doing then annoying innocent people.
Report everything to the guards but don’t in any way react to the bums.if you do they are already winning.

Doctors room ghost

gctest50 wrote: »

Find out if he did it on work time on a work computer

The only work most of them bums do is collect “entitlements” in the post office and spend the rest of the week watching what other people are doing.

yubabill

Dodder, if you're in a situation, I'm offering to get to your house day or night.

I'm leaving the offer open, so pm me and I'll send my number.

No firearms, no weapons but I will help.

dodderangler

yubabill wrote: »

Dodder, if you're in a situation, I'm offering to get to your house day or night.

I'm leaving the offer open, so pm me and I'll send my number.

No firearms, no weapons but I will help.

Thanks mate. I'll pm you later on. I'm just in a course right now for work. Thanks