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Taxi soiling fee - Driver followed me for 5km

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    Pelvis wrote: »
    Shared cab shared responsibility.

    Don't really agree with that.
    However, I'd probably have paid it and just made my friend pay me...although I'd prob have re-negotiated since it wasn't me who got sick in it and probably would have offered to clean it for him myself when he dropped me home (assuming it was just a tiny bit of sick on the door)
    "hang on mate I'll go get some upholstery cleaner, disinfectant and warm water"
    Though, I don't think any of my friends would have left me in that situation and if they did, once they paid up, they would no longer be my friend. Maybe all that is just me. These two seem to have got out of the taxi before they got home, which is odd.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Sooo, I can walk ahead of someone, hinder them and aggressively point a camera right in their face and that is alright with everyone? It has to be, no one on this thread seems to have the slightest issue with it anyway.
    I'll do that next time I'm back in Ireland.
    Walk ahead of some random person, point a camera in their face and say "I'm not doing anything wrong, you can't touch me, if you do it's assault".
    Once they push me I got handy evidence for the court case where I'll get fat compensatory for my "injuries ".
    Ireland is a very strange country.

    I think that if the incident happened as OP claims that she’d have gone to the Gardai rather than post here. It appears that a lot of alcohol was consumed therefore recollections might be a bit hazy.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    You can choose your own cab at any rank - customer's choice.

    This is correct. Haven't had a night out in town for many, many years but there were certain ranks I would never go to due to the behaviour of the taxi drivers at them and the way they behave towards other taxi drivers/the fact some drivers are not 'allowed' to use particular ranks.
    You can choose the taxi at the back of the queue if you wish, under absolutely no obligation to take the first one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,495 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    If it's never happened to you

    I don't think its happened to anybody in this thread.

    Did you find your boyfriends body?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    I still can't understand why he followed, photographed & videod me and not the person who soiled the cab (whose actual street the taxi was stopped on, she gave directions, though of course he may not have known it was her street).

    Got separated from my BF in the park. Did I mention it was night, there was zero lights, we were running, we were not somewhere either of us knew the layout of etc etc. If it's never happened to you, being pursued by someone, in darkness, in a secluded area that you're not familiar with is quite scary and may cause you to act in a way not usual to your character. Hence, why I pushed him, the 3rd or 4th time he put his phone in my face. I was pushing to get past him. And actually it may be the only thing that got him to leave me alone in the end.

    Anyway, my last post on this...thanks for your comments! Was really curious to see what other people thought. New day and all that. My friends has his info, so up to her want she wants to do.

    Last note, I do find it curious that at no point did he call the gardai.

    I’d imagine he didn’t call the Gardai because they would have seen the “damage”, and if it is as you described they would have told him that €140 was not a valid charge. He chanced his arm and tried to intimidate you into paying.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,462 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I’d imagine he didn’t call the Gardai because they would have seen the “damage”, and if it is as you described they would have told him that €140 was not a valid charge. He chanced his arm and tried to intimidate you into paying.
    Or maybe he know that the chances of the Gardai arriving within a few hours were slim to none?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    doolox wrote: »
    I would never share a taxi with a drinker again. I did not know that everyone in the cab is responsible for the charge. I can understand very well the need for such a charge in view of societies increasing use of alcohol, increasing use of taxis as opposed to private cars ( most people drank a lot less in former times, had sober relations etc...) also drink driving laws were a lot less strict than now and consequences a lot less severe. An increase in vomiting is inevitable.

    How on earth do the likes of nite link and busses manage??? Do all the passengers on board at the time of the .....biological event....have to pay for soilage as they are sharing a bus. Is it up to the driver to sort out the culprit involved????

    Way back in the distant past I used to take taxis home from Eyre Square in Galway. At that time you could chose your cab, none of this queue control and road marshall dictating to you to take first in line nonsense like you get in Dublin.
    The drivers would often warn obviously intoxicated passengers to take a walk for a 1/2 an hour or so to sober up a bit before embarking on their journeys even if this meant losing a fare. Others would admonish fares to keep the windows open and tell them in time if the "need" arose..... You cannot do this now with heavy traffic in Dublin and the risk of being accused of defamation by overly sensitive passengers so no prior precautions can be taken before the beginning of the journey. in these days of cheap booze and industrial levels of consumption among some ( not all ) of our nightlife people you cannot be sure enough time will be available to people to exit that taxi and do the necessary.
    Is it allowed for taxi drivers to refuse fares in an intoxicated state?? Similar to bouncers refusing entry to people? Or do cab drivers have to take all comers regardless??

    Also in the old days drivers would insist on seeing the fare ahead of time to avoid non payments and dodging, a thing that started to happen in the latter stages of my nightlife experiences.....some would insist on pocketing an approximate amount in advance but others would merely want to see the money to be sure you had enough. Would this be allowed now??

    The increasing use of alcohol?? Ireland consumption has fallen by at least 20% in the last few years. Your post is high on bluster and low on facts.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Or maybe he know that the chances of the Gardai arriving within a few hours were slim to none?

    Why not drive to a police station? I’ve seen and heard of many drivers do this. He was a chancer.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,462 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Why not drive to a police station? I’ve seen and heard of many drivers do this. He was a chancer.

    Because in many parts of the country, this could be 30-60 minutes away?
    Because he trusted in the decency of the occupants to do the decent thing?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Because in many parts of the country, this could be 30-60 minutes away?
    Because he trusted in the decency of the occupants to do the decent thing?

    No, it was because he was a chancer, trying to gouge extra money from customers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,506 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    Terrible behaviour by the passengers.

    Imagine being the driver in this situation.

    OP gets in the taxi with the friend, tries to negotiate the soiling charge on behalf of the friend and then is the last person to leave the cab but suddenly wants to have nothing to do with them.

    Its just incredible the lack of responsibility some people can have for someone else's livelihood.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,000 ✭✭✭bmc58


    I didn't vomit in his cab. I am not liable for any fee.

    I pushed as he was aggressively in my face taking pictures of me. Which I considered tantamount to harassment.

    Where was your BF while all this was going on.Why were you "terrified" if your BF was with you?You need to give answers to these questions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Climbed over a wall and walked 5 km (that is an hour walk) in high heels.... Right.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭SteM


    OP, who paid the fare to the taxi driver.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,704 ✭✭✭Nermal


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,772 ✭✭✭cython


    doolox wrote: »
    I would never share a taxi with a drinker again. I did not know that everyone in the cab is responsible for the charge. I can understand very well the need for such a charge in view of societies increasing use of alcohol, increasing use of taxis as opposed to private cars ( most people drank a lot less in former times, had sober relations etc...) also drink driving laws were a lot less strict than now and consequences a lot less severe. An increase in vomiting is inevitable.

    How on earth do the likes of nite link and busses manage??? Do all the passengers on board at the time of the .....biological event....have to pay for soilage as they are sharing a bus. Is it up to the driver to sort out the culprit involved????
    Bus != taxi on ever so many levels, so not sure of the immediate relevance of this question?
    doolox wrote: »
    Way back in the distant past I used to take taxis home from Eyre Square in Galway. At that time you could chose your cab, none of this queue control and road marshall dictating to you to take first in line nonsense like you get in Dublin.
    And this is still the case in Dublin, at least officially. If you have seen some kind of enforced selection of the first cab, then report it to the NTA.
    doolox wrote: »
    The drivers would often warn obviously intoxicated passengers to take a walk for a 1/2 an hour or so to sober up a bit before embarking on their journeys even if this meant losing a fare. Others would admonish fares to keep the windows open and tell them in time if the "need" arose..... You cannot do this now with heavy traffic in Dublin and the risk of being accused of defamation by overly sensitive passengers so no prior precautions can be taken before the beginning of the journey. in these days of cheap booze and industrial levels of consumption among some ( not all ) of our nightlife people you cannot be sure enough time will be available to people to exit that taxi and do the necessary.
    Is it allowed for taxi drivers to refuse fares in an intoxicated state?? Similar to bouncers refusing entry to people? Or do cab drivers have to take all comers regardless??
    Taxis are perfectly entitled to refuse fares they believe to be intoxicated. Of course if you are hyper paranoid of the risk of an accusation of defamation then you might not want to, but frankly I think you're overstating the risk of that being trotted out.
    doolox wrote: »
    Also in the old days drivers would insist on seeing the fare ahead of time to avoid non payments and dodging, a thing that started to happen in the latter stages of my nightlife experiences.....some would insist on pocketing an approximate amount in advance but others would merely want to see the money to be sure you had enough. Would this be allowed now??
    The NTA don't specify whether or not you can demand (part) payment up front, or evidence of means to pay, so I'd imagine it's a case by case basis. However, all it takes is another taxi in a queue not demanding this to cause a fare to be lost to them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Lads, Facecakes was so traumatised by the 5km stiletto shod chase by a crazed taxi driver wielding a machete-shaped camera through the jungles of Dublin's rain forest that, in her distress and in fear for her very life she opened up an account on Boards as soon as she got home to ask total fcuking strangers "What should I do?"

    Be kind to her... LoL!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,946 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    OP, have you got in touch with the taxi office with your friend’s details so the taxi driver can get in touch with her to sort him out with what she owes him?

    You seem terribly worried about doing the right thing. Be nice to put your mind at rest.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,862 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    I love how a load of posters add their own bits to a story that was clearly spelt out.

    The OP didn't get sick in the taxi.

    Who said the OP was in high heels?...she certainly never mentioned it.

    She was intoxicated? Nowhere did she mention she was hammered.

    Typical boards. Read the story and add on bits to suit your own narrative.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,442 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    mfceiling wrote: »
    I love how a load of posters add their own bits to a story that was clearly spelt out.

    The OP didn't get sick in the taxi.

    Who said the OP was in high heels?...she certainly never mentioned it.

    She was intoxicated? Nowhere did she mention she was hammered.

    Typical boards. Read the story and add on bits to suit your own narrative.

    Op did say she was in heels. I don't know about the rest because I haven't read it all either but maybe you should heed your own advice?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    mfceiling wrote: »
    Who said the OP was in high heels?...she certainly never mentioned it.

    Typical boards. Read the story and add on bits to suit your own narrative.

    Yeah... Apart from the fact she mentions in the first post that she "had heels on"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭Heres Johnny


    Worst thread ever. From OP and many respondents that can't read.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭nxbyveromdwjpg


    Is there anything more annoying that someone sticking a camera phone in your face unsolicited?

    It doesnt sound to be like the OP assaulted him, but she should have.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 429 ✭✭Afroshack


    Is there anything more annoying that someone sticking a camera phone in your face unsolicited?

    It doesnt sound to be like the OP assaulted him, but she should have.

    A drunk woman vomiting in your car and then arguing with several drunk people about it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,609 ✭✭✭dubrov


    Afroshack wrote:
    A drunk woman vomiting in your car and then arguing with several drunk people about it?

    If that happened to you, would you follow a girl by herself across a dark park with your camera shoved in her face?


  • Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭Connacht15


    Essentially a lot of taxi drivers are just glorified scumbags! With the boom times back, they are coining it, from what I gather it's easy for them to make €1300 per week in Dublin and of course it's all declared for tax purposes!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,620 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    If someone sticks a Camera in your face, take out your own phone, start filming (flash on), stick it 2 inches in front of their face and start asking them their name, address, what their business is with you and stand in their way.
    If they touch you, drop to the ground, shout "Help! assault! I'm injured!" and call the gardai. Demand their ID. Keep repeating "please identify yourself" until they comply.
    And that's how you deal with those clowns. Piss them off to the point of having a stroke.
    If they walk away, follow them and make sure to film their car, number plate, tax and insurance disc and faces of anyone with them.
    Inform them this is going on YouTube and Facebook as well as forwarded to the Gardai and your solicitor.
    Don't swear, don't touch them, don't threaten them, but keep talking, asking questions, repeat those questions ad nauseum, keep in their face, smile, be cheeky and if you want to push it, call them friend.
    They'll soon stop their sh*tehawking and beat a retreat.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 619 ✭✭✭NinetyTwoTeam


    this thread has become such a pile of vomit that you should ALL have to pay 140 quid right now


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    TLDR - friend got sick in taxi. Friend leaves without paying soiling charge. Driver follows me for 5KM through pitch black park, taking videos & pics of me.


    Hi, curious to know other people's opinions on this. I do not know whether to take this any further or report it. Or might be best to just write it off as a bad night.

    Got a taxi home last night. My friend beside the window got sick. We get to her street and he says soiling fee is 140. We look at the damage. Tiny bit of watery sick on the car door, rest on her dress. No smell.

    So we try to reason with him, talk him down to 70 since 140 is the upper limit & this could be cleaned with a baby wipe. He refuses. So the girl & her BF leave the cab. Then myself & my BF do also. He doesn't follow the girl who soiled the car, he follows us. I guess we were more sober.

    We walk through an estate. Jump over a wall. I had heels on, fall & scrap my legs. He follows us into a pitch black park, at this stage I'm getting scared. I tell him he should follow the person who soiled his cab, that I didn't cause the damage so I am not liable for it.

    We get onto a main road (thank God, I am bleeding and shaking at this point, with my heart racing). He starts to put his phone camera into face to take videos and pictures of me. Walks right in front of my face and I panic, push him back out of the way. Then he says to the video that I am attacking him. I'm not sure if this constitutes an attack, but on a quiet road, in the dead of night I am TERRIFIED of him.

    Anyway after I push him, I run for about 1km and eventually flag a cab home. Seriously shook and cried for over an hour before I calmed down. SO....if you're still reading...would you do anything about this? I know his reg.

    To add, full cab fare was paid.

    Passengers in the wrong. End of!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Patww79 wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    So four of you hire a cab, journey takes an hour, drops evenyone off, 70 euro fare.

    Three get out - you say "but this is only ten minutes from where we hailed you - I should only pay for that".

    Off the stage son!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    So four of you hire a cab, journey takes an hour, drops evenyone off, 70 euro fare.

    Three get out - you say "but this is only ten minutes from where we hailed you - I should only pay for that".

    Off the stage son!!
    Spot the taxi driver


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    TLDR - friend got sick in taxi. Friend leaves without paying soiling charge. Driver follows me for 5KM through pitch black park, taking videos & pics of me.


    Hi, curious to know other people's opinions on this. I do not know whether to take this any further or report it. Or might be best to just write it off as a bad night.

    Got a taxi home last night. My friend beside the window got sick. We get to her street and he says soiling fee is 140. We look at the damage. Tiny bit of watery sick on the car door, rest on her dress. No smell.

    So we try to reason with him, talk him down to 70 since 140 is the upper limit & this could be cleaned with a baby wipe. He refuses. So the girl & her BF leave the cab. Then myself & my BF do also. He doesn't follow the girl who soiled the car, he follows us. I guess we were more sober.

    We walk through an estate. Jump over a wall. I had heels on, fall & scrap my legs. He follows us into a pitch black park, at this stage I'm getting scared. I tell him he should follow the person who soiled his cab, that I didn't cause the damage so I am not liable for it.

    We get onto a main road (thank God, I am bleeding and shaking at this point, with my heart racing). He starts to put his phone camera into face to take videos and pictures of me. Walks right in front of my face and I panic, push him back out of the way. Then he says to the video that I am attacking him. I'm not sure if this constitutes an attack, but on a quiet road, in the dead of night I am TERRIFIED of him.

    Anyway after I push him, I run for about 1km and eventually flag a cab home. Seriously shook and cried for over an hour before I calmed down. SO....if you're still reading...would you do anything about this? I know his reg.

    To add, full cab fare was paid.
    mfceiling wrote: »
    I love how a load of posters add their own bits to a story that was clearly spelt out.

    The OP didn't get sick in the taxi.

    Who said the OP was in high heels?...she certainly never mentioned it.

    She was intoxicated? Nowhere did she mention she was hammered.

    Typical boards. Read the story and add on bits to suit your own narrative.



    The OP mentioned she was more sober than the friend who got sick. Id take that as they werent sober. As someone who is sober doesnt need to add the work more to the sentence.

    They clearly mention they have heels on.


  • Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭ConnyMcDavid


    Does it state that the soiling charge is only related to the soiler? I would imagine all the passengers have entered into a contract and are liable. Of course you would expect the person who got sick to compensate their friends if they shared the fee.

    The taxi driver shold report you all and claim expenses for unpaid fee, loss of earnings for down time.

    Never heard such entitlement. "watery vomit" can't smell it.. with a few drinks on you your smell sense is not going to be clear. So don't have to pay.

    And then trying to portray the driver as some sort of perv. He's entitled to prevent a fraud against him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Does it state that the soiling charge is only related to the soiler? I would imagine all the passengers have entered into a contract and are liable. Of course you would expect the person who got sick to compensate their friends if they shared the fee.

    The taxi driver shold report you all and claim expenses for unpaid fee, loss of earnings for down time.

    Never heard such entitlement. "watery vomit" can't smell it.. with a few drinks on you your smell sense is not going to be clear. So don't have to pay.

    And then trying to portray the driver as some sort of perv. He's entitled to prevent a fraud against him.
    He's not entitled to pursue someone for 5km who was not the soiler.
    Nor to harass them (pushing phone in face). If some taxi driver was doing that to my OH I'd have taken appropriate defensive action as I saw fit. If there is an issue with an unpaid fee he should call in the Gardai.



    The soiler.. and not the others... is liable for an appropriate fee which is relative to the amount of soiling - which is limited by statute to a maximum of 140. You cannot charge 140 for a small drop for instance. The driver must have incurred damages and the recompense is proportional to said damages.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,460 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    ELM327 wrote: »
    He's not entitled to pursue someone for 5km who was not the soiler.
    Nor to harass them (pushing phone in face). If some taxi driver was doing that to my OH I'd have taken appropriate defensive action as I saw fit. If there is an issue with an unpaid fee he should call in the Gardai.



    The soiler.. and not the others... is liable for an appropriate fee which is relative to the amount of soiling - which is limited by statute to a maximum of 140. You cannot charge 140 for a small drop for instance. The driver must have incurred damages and the recompense is proportional to said damages.

    oh ffs as if that happened


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    lawred2 wrote: »
    oh ffs as if that happened
    So we choose what to disregard from the OP but believe other parts? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,460 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    ELM327 wrote: »
    So we choose what to disregard from the OP but believe other parts? :confused:

    Well believe whatever you want but I wouldn't quite trust anyone's sense of measurement after a night out...

    5km in heels after alcohol?

    Don't make me laugh


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,690 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    ELM327 wrote: »
    The soiler.. and not the others... is liable for an appropriate fee which is relative to the amount of soiling - which is limited by statute to a maximum of 140.
    All the people in a group travelling in a taxi are jointly liable for all the charges.
    ELM327 wrote: »
    You cannot charge 140 for a small drop for instance. The driver must have incurred damages and the recompense is proportional to said damages.
    The volume of vomit is irrelevant. If the car hast to be taken out of service for a period to be cleaned and deodorised, the loss of revenue resulting from that is not proportional to the volume of spew.

    A charge of less than 140 might be appropriate where the soiling is caused by something less offensive, and/or more easily or quickly cleaned up, than vomit. But if you puke in somebody else's car, expect to pay handsomely for it. Only right.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,512 ✭✭✭Wheety


    The taxi followed the OP for 5KM through a dark park? This is around 45mins if walking briskly. It'd take longer if you're arguing and drunk. :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    All the people in a group travelling in a taxi are jointly liable for all the charges.
    Documented where by statute please? Considering this is dealt with by statute (the max fine) then surely it must be documented somewhere if the person(s) who have not caused the soiling are expected to pay.


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    The volume of vomit is irrelevant. If the car hast to be taken out of service for a period to be cleaned and deodorised, the loss of revenue resulting from that is not proportional to the volume of spew.

    A charge of less than 140 might be appropriate where the soiling is caused by something less offensive, and/or more easily or quickly cleaned up, than vomit. But if you puke in somebody else's car, expect to pay handsomely for it. Only right.
    The amount of vomit is absolutely relevant. It is specified that you cannot charge the 140 regardless, it must be proportional to the costs incurred by the driver.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 522 ✭✭✭theyoungchap


    Regardless of whether there was a bit of puke or not, is irrelevant. The taxi driver needed to go off and get it cleaned and was out of pocket for a while.
    The entitlement and disregard of people in Ireland today is incredible, "ah sure its only a bit of vomit". What would you say if she vomited in your car? Or beside where you work? The car probably still stinks even after cleaning it.
    He should have called the Gardai and that would have been proper order.
    People getting sick in a taxi is complete b****x by the way - effing tell the taxi driver to pull over and put your head out.
    For what its worth, I remember an altercation between my flat mate and a taxi driver a few years ago. 2 days later the Gardai knocked on the door....
    But overall, I am calling BS on the entire story.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,690 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Documented where by statute please? Considering this is dealt with by statute (the max fine) then surely it must be documented somewhere if the person(s) who have not caused the soiling are expected to pay.
    OK. Since you ask. Bear with me.

    The first thing to note is that a soiling charge is a "fare". It's included in the prescribed fares set out in the Taxi Regulation Act 2003 (Maximum Fares) Order 2008. (This is the instrument that sets the maximum the driver can charge at €140.)

    The second thing to note is that there is nothing in that instrument to say that a driver ever has to charge less than €140. He can charge any amount, provided it does not exceed €140. Passengers are free to bargain for a lesser charge, but they would be wise to do this before they soil the car. Their bargaining position is not strong afterwards.

    Right. Where fares are regulated by a maximum charges order (as this one is), a "person who has hired" a taxi is obliged to pay the fare; Taxi Regulation Act 2003 s.40(3). You could possibly argue that only the person who actually hailed the taxi and spoke to the driver has hired the taxi, and that any other passengers are travelling on his dollar, so to speak. On that analysis, if anyone in the car pukes, it's the person (or persons) who actually hailed the taxi and/or spoke to the driver who have to pay. But the more usual interpretation is that that person is acting on behalf of the group; they are all hirers of the taxi together (a "shared hire") and they are jointly liable for the obligations of the hirer. Either way, there is no case for saying that the person who actually pukes has sole, or even special, liability for the charge.
    ELM327 wrote: »
    The amount of vomit is absolutely relevant. It is specified that you cannot charge the 140 regardless, it must be proportional to the costs incurred by the driver.
    The charging order doesn't say that the charge must be proportional to the costs actually incurred. It just says that €140 is the maximum. Anything below that is a matter for agreement between the driver and the hirer(s).

    But, even if it did say that the charge must be proportional to the costs, the costs of cleaning up vomit are not really related to the amount of vomit involved, as already pointed out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    OK. Since you ask. Bear with me.

    The first thing to note is that a soiling charge is a "fare". It's included in the prescribed fares set out in the Taxi Regulation Act 2003 (Maximum Fares) Order 2008. (This is the instrument that sets the maximum the driver can charge at €140.)

    The second thing to note is that there is nothing in that instrument to say that a driver ever has to charge less than €140. He can charge what he likes, provided it does not exceed €140. Passengers are free to bargain for a lesser charge, but they would be wise to do this before they soil the car. Their bargaining position is not strong afterwards.

    Right. Where fares are regulated by a maximum charges order (as this one is), a "person who has hired" a taxi is obliged to pay the fare; Taxi Regulation Act 2003 s.40(3). You could possibly argue that only the person who actually hailed the taxi and spoke to the driver has hired the taxi, and that any other passengers are travelling on his dollar, so to speak. On that analysis, if anyone in the car pukes, it's the person (or persons) who actually hailed the taxi and/or spoke to the driver who have to pay. But the more usual interpretation is that that person is acting on behalf of the group; they are all hirers of the taxi together (a "shared hire") and they are jointly liable for the obligations of the hirer. Either way, there is no case for saying that the person who actually pukes has sole, or even special, liability for the charge.


    The charging order doesn't say that the charge must be proportional to the costs actually incurred. It just says that €140 is the maximum. Anything below that is a matter for agreement between the driver and the hirer(s).

    But, even if it did say that the charge must be proportional to the costs, the costs of cleaning up vomit are not really related to the amount of vomit involved, as already pointed out.


    The soiling charge is not mentioned in the act you quote.
    "Taxi Regulation Act 2003 (Maximum Fares) Order 2008"


    There is nothing prescribing that the collective passenger group is eligible for the soiling.


    Next?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Regardless of whether there was a bit of puke or not, is irrelevant. The taxi driver needed to go off and get it cleaned and was out of pocket for a while.
    The entitlement and disregard of people in Ireland today is incredible, "ah sure its only a bit of vomit". What would you say if she vomited in your car? Or beside where you work? The car probably still stinks even after cleaning it.
    He should have called the Gardai and that would have been proper order.
    People getting sick in a taxi is complete b****x by the way - effing tell the taxi driver to pull over and put your head out.
    For what its worth, I remember an altercation between my flat mate and a taxi driver a few years ago. 2 days later the Gardai knocked on the door....
    But overall, I am calling BS on the entire story.


    If I scratched one panel on your car less than 1 mm deep would you replace all panels or just get it fixed/replaced and my insurace would pay costs ?
    You don't get to profit from damages incurred. Charging the maximum for a minimal amount of damage is not on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,690 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    ELM327 wrote: »
    The soiling charge is not mentioned in the act you quote.
    "Taxi Regulation Act 2003 (Maximum Fares) Order 2008"
    Read more carefully. It's on page 5.
    ELM327 wrote: »
    There is nothing prescribing that the collective passenger group is eligible for the soiling.
    I know that. As I said already, that's in Taxi Regulation Act 2003 s.40(3)
    ELM327 wrote: »
    Next?
    Karma's a bitch, isn't it? ;)


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