Is Upskirting legal here?

Mikenesson

There's a campaign afoot to have it banned in the UK
https://www.breakingnews.ie/world/upskirting-campaigner-undeterred-by-regular-rape-threats-and-abuse-848764.html

I can't see the need for separate legislation for these offences if it's covered by existing law

JMNolan

It doesn't really matter if it is already illegal here or not as laws will be brought in specifically to please the left and they won't be enforced except in high publicity cases

Mikenesson

JMNolan wrote: »

It doesn't really matter if it is already illegal here or not as laws will be brought in specifically to please the left and they won't be enforced except in high publicity cases

I agree
We can't get violent criminals off the street,what's the point of more legislation

Graces7

Never heard of it before; disgusting. :eek:

Confiscate their cameras

Mr. Incognito

I dont really believe a lot of these attention seekers who magnify and lie to get attention.

There's a lot of these on social media these days and instead of going to the police like to type out in great detail what supposedly happened to them to the voyeurs on the internet.

TLDR- I dont believe her.

How Soon Is Now

I remember years ago working with load of Chinese and they had a load of videos with this kinda stuff on all there phones. Pulling underware and skirts down to was another thing.

Always wondered how they where able to get away with doing it and filming it in public.

Allinall

F.u k sake.

Thought I’d wandered into the Building Regulation forum there for a moment.

nowaynever

Sure don't they all wear trousers now?

Trigger Happy

Why would you bother like?

Paddy Cow

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

I dont really believe a lot of these attention seekers who magnify and lie to get attention.

There's a lot of these on social media these days and instead of going to the police like to type out in great detail what supposedly happened to them to the voyeurs on the internet.

TLDR- I dont believe her.

The picture was on their phone. Unless she took the phone off the guy and took a fanny selfie, how else did it get there? She took a gamble though. Technically she stole the phone.

fando

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1128075/

Love exposure - crazy, awsome, funny, four hour long film with upskirting as the main theme.

Donald Trump

Not sure it would be an option with the Irish ladies

Don't think they make lenses wide enough to capture the fat arses from up close

:pac:

Star Bingo

I think it might be off limits

Greybottle

JMNolan wrote: »

It doesn't really matter if it is already illegal here or not as laws will be brought in specifically to please the left and they won't be enforced except in high publicity cases

Or maybe protect women and kids from perverts and paedophiles.

Seriously, how the fcuk can you critiscise a law like that, unless you're someone whose perfectly happy for a pervert to go out and harass your partner/family member/child/friend.

Anybody caught with that crap, taking photos, sharing them or storing them needs a jail sentence as well as being named publicly.

dotsman

Greybottle wrote: »

Or maybe protect women and kids from perverts and paedophiles.

Seriously, how the fcuk can you critiscise a law like that, unless you're someone whose perfectly happy for a pervert to go out and harass your partner/family member/child/friend.

Anybody caught with that crap, taking photos, sharing them or storing them needs a jail sentence as well as being named publicly.

Or maybe you could read the thread. The OP is asking "is it not already illegal?". And if so, why the need for another (redundant) law. to which, the reply from JMNolan makes perfect sense.

It's like people demanding a law be brought in to ban "punching someone with your left hand" when it is already covered by existing laws regarding assault.

On the other hand, if it is currently legal (through some existing loophole), then a law should be brought in. I don't think anybody who has replied so far is in disagreement with that.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Greybottle wrote: »

Or maybe protect women and kids from perverts and paedophiles.

Seriously, how the fcuk can you critiscise a law like that, unless you're someone whose perfectly happy for a pervert to go out and harass your partner/family member/child/friend.

Anybody caught with that crap, taking photos, sharing them or storing them needs a jail sentence as well as being named publicly.

We can't make a law for everything we don't like. It's a slippery slope. Where do you draw the line? Before long, you have some SJW twat campaigning for a law to ban men looking at women below the neck. Do we implement a law prohibiting pictures of feet?

Jail for that kind of picture? Just wow... And what a jump there to pedophiles, good job. If you're a bit of a pervert, you're also a pedophile, somehow...

wexie

Jazmin Tight Barbell wrote: »

We can't make a law for everything we don't like. It's a slippery slope. Where do you draw the line? Before long, you have some SJW twat campaigning for a law to ban men looking at women below the neck. Do we implement a law prohibiting pictures of feet?

I would imagine that upskirting will already be covered under something else. That's provided the will to actually enforce it was there. And that seems to be where the problems lie, either just lack of resources (at best) or interest.

We already have plenty of laws that are either not being enforced or simply un-enforceable https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/smoking-ban-for-cars-is-to-protect-children-372116.html

Permabear

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jmayo

Can't this be covered under voyeurism as in the Scotland case ?

The thing that gets me about some of the drives for new laws on statute books is that existing laws dealing with far more serious crimes and behaviour are not enforced by police and authorities.

Graces7

jmayo wrote: »

Can't this be covered under voyeurism as in the Scotland case ?

The thing that gets me about some of the drives for new laws on statute books is that existing laws dealing with far more serious crimes and behaviour are not enforced by police and authorities.

do the Gardai know it is illegal? Have not always found them knowledgeable on the law..

jester77

I would imagine if they consent to it, then it should be ok. Might want to get it in writing just to be sure.

0ph0rce0

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Why would you bother like?

In the hope there's no panties on.... Duuuuuuhhhhhhhhh

Lau2976

This is already illegal in Ireland and is not illegal in the UK. The bill here was drafted last year by Francis Fitzgerald.

AFAIK it’s only illegal in the UK if “indecent” in that there is nothing under the skirt. Although I may be wrong here.

T-Maxx

JMNolan wrote:

It doesn't really matter if it is already illegal here or not as laws will be brought in specifically to please the left and they won't be enforced except in high publicity cases

The smug face on that one.

TomOnBoard

Disgusting fcuking perversion by sick asreholes. If not illegal, it should be, and Gardai & courts should deal with it mercilessly before it gets to a point where no woman can feel safe in public, as if they don't have enough misogynist crap to deal with as is... Jeez, fcuking creeps!!! Grrrrr!

jackwigan

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Disgusting fcuking perversion by sick asreholes. If not illegal, it should be, and Gardai & courts should deal with it mercilessly before it gets to a point where no woman can feel safe in public, as if they don't have enough misogynist crap to deal with as is... Jeez, fcuking creeps!!! Grrrrr!

So you're saying you're on board with this Tom?

T-Maxx

TomOnBoard wrote:

Disgusting fcuking perversion by sick asreholes. If not illegal, it should be, and Gardai & courts should deal with it mercilessly before it gets to a point where no woman can feel safe in public, as if they don't have enough misogynist crap to deal with as is... Jeez, fcuking creeps!!! Grrrrr!

Take a deep breath.

Grayson

jackwigan wrote: »

So you're saying you're on board with this Tom?

I'd say he's got mirrors on his shoes.

Grayson

Jazmin Tight Barbell wrote: »

We can't make a law for everything we don't like. It's a slippery slope. Where do you draw the line? Before long, you have some SJW twat campaigning for a law to ban men looking at women below the neck. Do we implement a law prohibiting pictures of feet?

Jail for that kind of picture? Just wow... And what a jump there to pedophiles, good job. If you're a bit of a pervert, you're also a pedophile, somehow...

Without agreeing with everything else you said, you're right about the bit in bold. It's not possible to create laws for everything without the laws eventually becoming contradictory, or even just hard to keep track of.

Godel explained his incompleteness theorem using a legal analogy. The theorem essentially states that any system of rules that becomes sufficiently complex will eventually become contradictory. To explain it he said that if you tried to create a law for every single possible eventuality or crime, eventually you'd find some laws contradicting others.

So try to keep them simple, sufficiently broad in scope, but not too broad and make sure you have educated judges who can implement them.

So as suggested, have a voyeurism law that covers offenses like this, rather than trying to create separate laws for every possible type of voyeurism.

Also, yes staring at breasts could be an offense. I'm sure you can imagine a situation where a guy does it repeatedly in the workplace whilst making grunting noises. That could be harassment. But in that case it should be covered under harassment laws. There's no need to have a separate law for it.

TomOnBoard

jackwigan wrote: »

So you're saying you're on board with this Tom?

Lol! Just trying to figure out what I really think about it, TBH..

TomOnBoard

T-Maxx wrote: »

Take a deep breath.

Yeah, phew!!!

Donald Trump

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Lol! Just trying to figure out what I really think about it, TBH..

Ah the perennial juxtaposition?


Big head says "That's terrible" but little head says "send me more blood, quick quick"

Jim Bob Scratcher

Apparently Louise O Neill is all for it, so fire ahead lads..... and lassies

Star Bingo

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Yeah, phew!!!

A deep breath of used panties. Fresh from the vending machine

squawker

Star Bingo wrote: »

A deep breath of used panties. Fresh from the vending machine

sweet Jesus, just googled that for the craic

https://pantydeal.com/

Star Bingo

Thanks for the link

Atoms for Peace

It's big in Japan apparently.

Jim Bob Scratcher

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

It's big in Japan apparently.

SEPT 23 1989

A referendum is needed

I Am The Law

I thought it was called coving..

AllForIt

I find this very specific law to be utterly absurd.

Why would it apply to just up the skirt. What if someone surreptitiously took a pic of someone when walking behind them on the street because they like the look of say a curvy ass in tight jeans. What's the difference essentially? Same motive, same action.

Also it's so specify that it targets men where the victim is a woman. What laws are ever designed in that way. If a Scottish guy wearing a kilt were to be upkilted by a gay male - would the proposed legislation cover that as well. And would the Scottish guy really care.

The other thing I think about this is - how does it effect the woman if they didn't know about it. If it does cause such distress and then these things are highlighted because of law then more women will become aware of it through footage caught on CCTV. This seems ridiculous to me because it the women will suffer when she becomes aware of it she wouldn't at all if she didn't know about it.

I know some are going to take my comments as if I think the activity is completely fine. No I don't think it's completely fine, but to call it a criminal act to me is going way OTT. So many things in life are not okay but they are not against the law either. No one goes to prison for bullying someone at work for example - a much more serious issue.

This proposed law in the UK all seems to be part of the current hysterical narrative that all men to some degree or another are attacking women left right and centre.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Theorretically it's illegal to store the image without consent anyway - especially with GDPR laws - although you'd have to wonder about any mind that would consider this as acceptably legal.

Ficheall

I reckon we should just prohibit the taking of photos of people without prior consent fullstop.

Lady Spangles

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

I dont really believe a lot of these attention seekers who magnify and lie to get attention.

There's a lot of these on social media these days and instead of going to the police like to type out in great detail what supposedly happened to them to the voyeurs on the internet.

TLDR- I dont believe her.

Whether you believe her or not is immaterial, it's happening to more and more women and it's completely unacceptable. Photographing women's genitals without their permission is a gross invasion of privacy.

pleas advice

The year was 1968.
We were on recon in a steaming Mekong delta. An overheated private removed his flack jacket, revealing a T-shirt with an ironed-on sporting the MAD slogan "Up with Mini-skirts!". Well, we all had a good laugh, even though I didn't quite understand it. But our momentary lapse of concentration allowed "Charlie" to get the drop on us.
I spent the next three years in a POW camp, forced to subsist on a thin stew made of fish, vegetables, prawns, coconut milk, and four kinds of rice. I came close to madness trying to find it here in the States, but they just can't get the spices right!

GrumpyMe

wexie wrote: »

I would imagine that upskirting will already be covered under something else....

Very droll!

Donald Trump wrote: »

Ah the perennial juxtaposition?


Big head says "That's terrible" but little head says "send me more blood, quick quick"

Wouldn't that be more the "perineal juxtaposition"?

Richard Hillman

We wouldn't have this problem if women just wore Burqa's

banie01

Like some posters here I feel the UK reaction to this is a knee jerk.
It's already fairly well covered by their voyeur legislation and even more so here in the Republic.

To be perfectly honest though, it is a law I can see backfiring spectacularly.
If it's likely being deemed a sexual offence, with the attendant requirement to sign the sexual offenders register on conviction, If the law is applied evenly I honestly see more women than men being convicted!

The most aggressive and persistent instances of this behaviour I ever encountered has always been women imposing themselves on men in kilts.
I am fairly sure that every man that has ever worn a kilt for more than a couple of hours in public could share a story or 3 about the inappropriate comments, gropes, looks and sneaky attempts at a photo made by women...
Will those women be subject to the full sanctions of this proposed law?
Will those male victims be as supported in their victimhood and quest for justice as ladies, indeed by ladies?
Or will it be a case of sure, he wore a kilt! What did he expect?

Pauliedragon

It doesn't matter if it's illegal or not no one should stick a camera up someones skirt or kilt. There are things in life whilst may not be technically illegal it shouldn't be done. It's called having some respect for other people. Why is this even a legitimate question?

4ensic15

They are supposedly at it in schools in Wales. Don't hear of it in schools here.

4ensic15

They are supposedly at it in schools in Wales. Don't hear of it in schools here.


https://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/britain/disturbing-increase-in-pupils-upskirting-teachers-posting-photos-on-social-media-37045730.html