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Varadkar puts FineGael on election footing

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Renua are closest to the O'Cuiv wing of FF.

    Aye, he's a dangerous fellow IMO. They'd all have us back in the dark ages.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,195 ✭✭✭christy c


    I see SF also seem to be preparing for an election. Pearse was in full soundbite mode in his article in the journal

    http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/pearse-doherty-we-would-invest-the-e1-4bn-available-putting-us-on-our-way-to-a-new-society-4090121-Jun2018/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭zl1whqvjs75cdy


    christy c wrote: »
    I see SF also seem to be preparing for an election. Pearse was in full soundbite mode in his article in the journal

    http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/pearse-doherty-we-would-invest-the-e1-4bn-available-putting-us-on-our-way-to-a-new-society-4090121-Jun2018/

    They're always in full soundbite mode.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,545 ✭✭✭Topgear on Dave


    christy c wrote: »
    I see SF also seem to be preparing for an election. Pearse was in full soundbite mode in his article in the journal

    http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/pearse-doherty-we-would-invest-the-e1-4bn-available-putting-us-on-our-way-to-a-new-society-4090121-Jun2018/

    Id say they're quite happy where they are.

    You think they want the responsibility of the hot mess of housing and health?

    Lol no... All TDs are about to go on holidays anyway :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,837 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    They're always in full soundbite mode.


    They really are FF Nua.

    Spend, spend, spend as much money as there is, and when the inevitable bad time arrives, leave it to someone else to clean up the mess. That will be their approach.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,977 ✭✭✭✭zell12




  • Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    zell12 wrote: »

    Wouldn't want to interrupt the Dáil holidays.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,065 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Wouldn't want to interrupt the Dáil holidays.

    Or the public's holidays. No one likes elections in the summer. Hassle.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Or the public's holidays.

    An election takes me 30 minutes tops.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    Honestly, I think this is a bluff. Why would FF want to go for a September election? There's no evidence that they're any better off in the polls than they have been since the last election - minor fluctuations here and there, but for the most part FG are riding the back of a serious wave with SSM and Repeal, added to what's likely to be another conservative budget with some giveaways... I don't see the benefit here to FF other than FG haven't turned their successes recently into any better polling figures either.

    We're looking at an election to put us back in the exact same position - it baffles me a bit!


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,498 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    Honestly, I think this is a bluff. Why would FF want to go for a September election? There's no evidence that they're any better off in the polls than they have been since the last election - minor fluctuations here and there, but for the most part FG are riding the back of a serious wave with SSM and Repeal, added to what's likely to be another conservative budget with some giveaways... I don't see the benefit here to FF other than FG haven't turned their successes recently into any better polling figures either.

    We're looking at an election to put us back in the exact same position - it baffles me a bit!

    It seems Fianna Fáil are terrified of an election in the next few months. They seem to be really on the back foot following the 8th amendment referendum campaign. Fine Gael have also opened up a significant lead in the opinion polls. I reckon you're right about them bluffing.

    I don't necessarily buy this argument that the next election will return the same outcome. The last RedC opinion poll from May showed Fine Gael to be on 34% with Fianna Fáil on 25%. Fine Gael secured 36% in 2011 and returned 76 seats. It is possible for them to pull something similar off again if things go well for them during a campaign. If they do manage to do that then they would easily form a coalition Government with Independent groups and smaller parties.

    It's a huge risk to take for sure, but Leo is well aware that they are riding high in the polls at the moment. That might not be the case this time next year if Brexit goes wrong, if the international economy turns given the trade tensions and the agriculture sector continues to struggle given the bizzare weather we are currently having.

    Arguably there might not be a better time to go for Fine Gael than in the autumn. Leo will also be well aware that Enda Kenny would have done far better if he went to the country in November 2015 rather than waiting until February 2016.

    Leo's problem is that he needs an excuse to call an election. I reckon he's trying to setup a situation to blame Fianna Fáil because they won't extend the Confidence and Supply Agreement in advance of the budget. He will say he can't risk political instability during the final stages of the Brexit talks. The problem with that strategy is that Fianna Fáil might cave in and actually extend the agreement before the budget. Although if Fianna Fáil do that they're putting up the white flag and are pretty much stating for all to see that they are a spent force.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    blanch152 wrote: »
    They really are FF Nua.

    Spend, spend, spend as much money as there is, and when the inevitable bad time arrives, leave it to someone else to clean up the mess. That will be their approach.

    Surely their partners in FG are the closest equivalent? They are supporting each other in government.
    FG are in cahoots with Fianna Fail, but SF are FF nua? Marvelous :)

    Seriously, it will be some record breaking level of brass neckery when Fine Gael start full electioneering scaremongering about their partners in government Fianna Fail.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,065 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    An election takes me 30 minutes tops.

    And the preceding 4 weeks of campaigning that gets all up in our grilles?


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,837 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Surely their partners in FG are the closest equivalent? They are supporting each other in government.
    FG are in cahoots with Fianna Fail, but SF are FF nua? Marvelous :)

    Seriously, it will be some record breaking level of brass neckery when Fine Gael start full electioneering scaremongering about their partners in government Fianna Fail.

    What?

    SF are stealing FF's clothes, that is obvious to anyone monitoring current political developments.

    If you didn't have such an obsession with FG, you would see it too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    And the preceding 4 weeks of campaigning that gets all up in our grilles?


    I don't watch current affairs on TV or listen to more than headlines on the radio once in a while.


    Posters appear, posters disappear - doesn't cost me any time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Varadkar isn't doing himself any favours at home, looking for another pat on the head from Trump regarding his comments on the media?

    I really dug his 'sorry not sorry' speech in the Dail. He's sorry everyone misunderstood and got upset. Murphy was just as amusing, he'd not heard what Varadkar had said, but was sure everyone was taking it out of context. This aloof approach to the public seems to be a theme.

    If we had an election now FG would still need support from pals in FF and indies. I wouldn't be so cocky if I were Leo.


  • Registered Users Posts: 68,754 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Probably be able to cope with independents and vote by vote from Others based on the last polling figures - but he's done damage today. And putting FF back in position as real opposition isn't good in the short term.

    Only potential would be if Martin quit after an election and FF picked some headbanger. Their rapid return to having votes in Dublin was down to Martin, nothing else.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    L1011 wrote: »
    Probably be able to cope with independents and vote by vote from Others based on the last polling figures - but he's done damage today. And putting FF back in position as real opposition isn't good in the short term.

    Only potential would be if Martin quit after an election and FF picked some headbanger. Their rapid return to having votes in Dublin was down to Martin, nothing else.

    And as you say, Fine Gael putting them back in as the viable opposition by giving them a voice and political sway so FG could hold on to their own seats of power. And it was sold as putting the country first would you believe? At least Trevor Sargent had the moral fortitude to step down after going in with FF after running a campaign vilifying them. Not so with anyone in FG.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    Leo offering sympathy towards Trump. What was he thinking. Hardly going to make himself a darling of the media either which such comments.


  • Registered Users Posts: 68,754 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    And as you say, Fine Gael putting them back in as the viable opposition by giving them a voice and political sway so FG could hold on to their own seats of power. And it was sold as putting the country first would you believe? At least Trevor Sargent had the moral fortitude to step down after going in with FF after running a campaign vilifying them. Not so with anyone in FG.

    Wasn't quite my point, but yes.

    What I was getting at was they there could be value for FG in an election that could see the end of Martin - not sure they failing to be taoiseach three times in a row would sit well with FF members. He walks and there's limited replacement options and most of them would be toxic to their floating vote


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    L1011 wrote: »
    Wasn't quite my point, but yes.

    What I was getting at was they there could be value for FG in an election that could see the end of Martin - not sure they failing to be taoiseach three times in a row would sit well with FF members. He walks and there's limited replacement options and most of them would be toxic to their floating vote

    Agreed. I think FF are better off with Martin than without. He's damaged goods, but so is the party, however they need a familiar face none-the-less. He's rode the welcoming, let bygones be bygones Fine Gael wave this far. It'll be interesting to see FG take pot shots at him and FF after being so cosy. It would require less FG brass neck to poke at a new FF leader. All Martin has to retort is, 'we were good enough for ye' anytime Leo throws a dig.


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