Is it ever acceptable to do this in a work environment?

Hello 1

A family member has recently been diagnosed with cancer, and I left my job in order to care for them until they are back on their feet. After leaving my job (handing in my notice, and received my P45), I was told by my manager that there would always be a place for me in the job, and that I am free to resume work after my family member is back on their feet again. At present, there is someone in my place in the job during my absence.

I am also receiving JobSeekers Allowance in the meantime.

Just wondering, is it still feasible to resume my current position after my family member is back on their feet again?

Any constructive advice much appreciated.

Riesen_Meal

Hello 1 wrote: »

A family member has recently been diagnosed with cancer, and I left my job in order to care for them until they are back on their feet. After leaving my job (handing in my notice, and received my P45), I was told by my manager that there would always be a place for me in the job, and that I am free to resume work after my family member is back on their feet again. At present, there is someone in my place in the job during my absence.

I am also receiving JobSeekers Allowance in the meantime.

Just wondering, is it still feasible to resume my current position after my family member is back on their feet again?

Any constructive advice much appreciated.

Of course,

It sounds like they value you and your commitment to the job but understand the position you are put into and have left the job open for you, that's very nice of them and not something most employers would do...

TallGlass

I would just take it as a gesture rather than something set in stone, the companies position may change so it might not be feasible for them to hire you, but if all is fine and they can then it's up to them.

Hello 1

Thank you so much.

Just wondering, how will it all work out, re - the Social Welfare, with regards to returning to my previous job?

When I 'signed on' my case officer asked my about my last job, details, such as my employer's name and company name and address (All details I gave them were put into a computer by the case officer).

Just wondering will it be ok to return to this job again, in their eyes, considering the above?

LionelNashe

Hello 1 wrote: »

Thank you so much.

Just wondering, how will it all work out, re - the Social Welfare, with regards to returning to my previous job?

When I 'signed on' my case officer asked my about my last job, details, such as my employer's name and company name and address (All details I gave them were put into a computer by the case officer).

Just wondering will it be ok to return to this job again, in their eyes, considering the above?

Shouldn't be an issue. Why would it be? There might be an issue with you collecting the dole when you're not available for work or seeking work. Maybe you'd be entitled to carer's allowance?

Hello 1

LionelNashe wrote: »

Shouldn't be an issue. Why would it be? There might be an issue with you collecting the dole when you're not available for work or seeking work. Maybe you'd be entitled to carer's allowance?

Just thought there might have been an issue with going back to this job, because I am in receipt of JobSeekers Allowance, not Carers' Allowance, at present.

Obviously the Social Welfare never enquired about the in's and out's about why I had left my job.

_Brian

Well you could always keep in touch and let them know when your free again.

gipi

Hello 1 wrote: »

Just thought there might have been an issue with going back to this job, because I am in receipt of JobSeekers Allowance, not Carers' Allowance, at present.

Obviously the Social Welfare never enquired about the in's and out's about why I had left my job.

Things might change with your jobseekers claim if you are sent towards training courses, or directed to jobpath, and can't take it up because of your carer duties.

Hello 1

gipi wrote: »

Things might change with your jobseekers claim if you are sent towards training courses, or directed to jobpath, and can't take it up because of your carer duties.

So, is it 'allowed' , when my relative is back on their feet again, that I just 'sign off' and then go back to my old job?

I am aware that when you are in receipt of Social Welfare, and get a job, that Social Welfare must be informed ( as your financial circumstances have changed),but can I just say that 'yes, I have found employment' or do I have to say 'I have found employment, but it's with my old job'. (Is this allowed?)

My case officer recorded the dates I started and finished up with my old job when I 'signed on' when my relative got sick.

Am I over - thinking this one?

All advice appreciated.

Crunchymomma

Hello 1 wrote: »

So, is it 'allowed' , when my relative is back on their feet again, that I just 'sign off' and then go back to my old job?

I am aware that when you are in receipt of Social Welfare, and get a job, that Social Welfare must be informed ( as your financial circumstances have changed),but can I just say that 'yes, I have found employment' or do I have to say 'I have found employment, but it's with my old job'. (Is this allowed?)

My case officer recorded the dates I started and finished up with my old job when I 'signed on' when my relative got sick.

Am I over - thinking this one?

All advice appreciated.

Definitely over thinking. They don't care if you go back to your old job

votecounts

Just to clarify you are not seeking work, you are minding a relative then you should not be on JSA

TG1

Just for future reference, carers leave might have been a better option, as that way in the eyes of the law your job is protected. You get an SW payment while off but are still anvempliyee of the company. Much better for you in the long run and is designed for exactly this sort of circumstances.

Hello 1

Thank you so much everyone for all your help.

Much appreciated.

TheBeach

Carer's benefit would have probably been a more appropriate benefit to apply for as for jobseekers benefit you need to be actively seeking employment.

rathevan

Hi,

I am in a position similar and I think carers benefit would have been a better option for you. I've attached a link but you would have been entitled to take leave, with your job being kept open for you.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/carers/carers_benefit.html

Hello 1

Thank you so much everybody for the responses.

fritzelly

How did you get JSA after leaving a job voluntarily
As said, you should be on carers allowance if the relative needs full time care and not just some help would be nice but for you scenario I'm not sure you would get carers allowance

Hello 1

Is it ever acceptable to be openly shouted at, at work, by a fellow colleague in front of other staff and clients?

In a well run business, what could the usual sanctions be for shouting at a colleague?

Diceicle

Hello 1 wrote: »

Is it acceptable to be openly shouted at, at work, by a fellow colleague in front of other staff and clients?

In a well run business, what could the usual sanctions be for shouting at a colleague?

It's fine as long as it's not a recurring issue as far as im concerned. We're all adults and people with flaws. So as long as it's not repeated behaviour I'd be noting it and letting it go.

Pelvis

No, it's absolutely not acceptable.

HydroTendonMan

I would say that it's never OK and shows a complete lack of respect. Depending where you work I would speak to the person about and it and notify HR if it continues.

0ph0rce0

Pelvis wrote: »

No, it's absolutely not acceptable.

Had to do it myself on Friday.

Arsehole manager won't communicate and it ends in last minute bull**** rush jobs and everyone getting stressed.

Going on a long time. I snapped, Went up in his face and screamed the building down in front of everybody. Called him every name under the sun.

Today there was lots of communication,

Worked for me.

EDIT: I also agree with above and below posts. My reason was a lot of trying and talking and a lot of failing and just couldn't be held in anymore. Happening on a daily basis?? then someone needs to take some action.

OMM 0000

I agree it's not acceptable, but if it's a once off sort of thing I would just have a chat with the person and sort it out.

But if there's a pattern of this happening I would lodge an official complaint with HR, making it very clear I feel I am not in a safe working environment.

silent_spark

OP, based on this and the other threads you’ve started recently, you’re clearly having difficulty in your current job. Is there a HR manager or line manager you can speak with? Is this your first job?

endacl

I THINK IT’S OK, DEPENDING ON THE SITUATION!!!

bobbysands81

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

Had to do it myself on Friday.

Arsehole manager won't communicate and it ends in last minute bull**** rush jobs and everyone getting stressed.

Going on a long time. I snapped, Went up in his face and screamed the building down in front of everybody. Called him every name under the sun.

Today there was lots of communication,

Worked for me.

EDIT: I also agree with above and below posts. My reason was a lot of trying and talking and a lot of failing and just couldn't be held in anymore. Happening on a daily basis?? then someone needs to take some action.

This will end in tears!

bilbot79

Perception is a Mind boggling thing. Is it passion for the job or goal, or bullying? Only repeat offences can bullying .
HR is a double edged sword. It's not like telling on someone in school. If the other person is a top performer and you are a weak performer, forget HR

TomOnBoard

For me, the question would be is this a one-off or a regular occurrence?

doolox

In personal disputes the one with the highest degree and greatest value to the company wins. HR should only be involved in indictable offences like assault or theft or vandalism, highly unlikely in so-called "educated" senior staff who love to throw their weight around. They don't teach diplomacy or tact in Engineering school.......

Unless you can objectively analyse your worth to the company versus the worth of the offending person I would drop the case.

At the very least seek advice from a trusted ally on this issue, see if there is a recurring pattern of bullying with other peers in your group. Maybe you can all make a case together to convince the boss.

In my very unhappy time in industry I was caught on both sides in this way, being a bully and being bullied. It was not pleasant.

Creol1

I shouted at my manager recently. She is very deaf and I needed to get her attention.

Normally I try more subtle ways.

SEPT 23 1989

Never in front of a client

Ted_YNWA

There is a very simple rule of thumb in an office environment.

Praise in public, reprimand in private.

B00056718

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Never in front of a client

Never in front of anyone. If you need to shout, you have a very weak argument.when someone is shouting at me I'm telling them to go away and come back when they're a little more level headed.

You don't need to be aggressive to be assertive.

Regardless of the environment. Be it work or relationship, if you need to shout, you're have lost the argument already.

0ph0rce0

bobbysands81 wrote:

This will end in tears!

Nope

frankythefish

I m sorry I shouted at you son. But it was my sandwich.

facehugger99

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

I snapped, Went up in his face and screamed the building down in front of everybody. Called him every name under the sun.

Someone's been watching too much Wolf of Wall Street.:rolleyes:

It's completely unprofessional and a matter for HR. Should entail a verbal warning at the very least.

beertons

Did you shout back?

bobbysands81

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

Nope

Your way of dealing with someone who doesn’t communicate is to shout at them.

This is not effective communication. You have now learned that you get your way when you shout at a colleague you don’t agree with.

This will end in tears.

doolox

I have had plenty of managers in my time and the ones I fear most are the quiet types who take copious notes, take time to get both sides of a dispute and arrange a meeting off the floor at some future time before coming to a decision on any form of discipline. Usually these are the types who will have read the company handbook cover to cover and have high social and interpersonal skills without being overbearing about it. It is usual that neither party to the dispute will be entirely satisfied with the outcome and both parties will have some improving plan to carry out. Managers want harmony above all and will not make losers and winners if they can help it. Good ones will expect and get change in the team.

sbsquarepants

Depends on the situation and the setting. It's naïve in the extreme to think you can get through your whole working life without ever being shouted at! I work with a load of hairy arsed builders - shouting is a regular occurrence, getting to be less so though in fairness, probably more of an old timers thing now.
But it does happen, stress gets to people sometimes and they vent - the world goes on!

0ph0rce0

It's happened once. After years of bad management it took some shouting to get the man to get his finger out of his hole. He's acknowledged he's in the wrong and setup a lunch for Friday with the team to figure out a plan on how we can work on better communication. No tears but a result.

You know nothing about the situation and I will not be using it to get my way.

It worked that's the main thing,be it unprofessional or not it needed to be done.

Hello 1

B00056718 wrote: »

Never in front of anyone. If you need to shout, you have a very weak argument.when someone is shouting at me I'm telling them to go away and come back when they're a little more level headed.

You don't need to be aggressive to be assertive.

Regardless of the environment. Be it work or relationship, if you need to shout, you're have lost the argument already.

Thank you.

I totally agree. In my view, shouting at anyone in a work environment is completely unacceptable, regardless of the circumstances. It shows a complete lack of self control on the part of the person who shouted, and also that they obviously don't know how to behave appropriately in a work environment dealing with other people without losing the head, and showing themselves up in an irretrievably bad light. There's no going back for them once they 'lose control' even once at work. It will always be remembered for all the wrong reasons.

HandsomeBob

doolox wrote: »

Managers want harmony above all and will not make losers and winners if they can help it. Good ones will expect and get change in the team.

I've found this to be true above all else. They are usually also determined to keep HR out of it as if it goes to that level it's a sign of weakness on the manager's part in that they couldn't resolve the issue.

"Harmony" is relative anyway. A manager may resolve something in their own way.....that doesn't mean they haven't made the situation worse by forcing the result they wanted.

JustAThought

Begs the obvious question of what you did, or do, on an ongoing basis that solicited that reaction. HR might find other unsavory work practices and performance issues in the fallout. There might be more than one disclipinary review or job review on the table.

Hello 1

fritzelly wrote: »

How did you get JSA after leaving a job voluntarily
As said, you should be on carers allowance if the relative needs full time care and not just some help would be nice but for you scenario I'm not sure you would get carers allowance

The conditions for receiving JSA, a person can be disqualified from getting a Job Seekers payment for a period of up to 9 weeks if a person voluntarily leaves a job. 9 WEEKS. http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/unemployed_people/conditions_for_getting_a_jobseekers_payment.html

Hello 1

According to Citizen Information, a person can be disqualified from receiving a JobSeekers payment for up to 9 WEEKS if they leave a job voluntarily.

Hello 1

If someone had great difficulty in securing employment.
They then get employment in their chosen field of expertise, but have a number of bad experiences there, for example, bullying, scapegoating, etc. They leave this position, and are then asked to go back to work in same company by management, personally, as, in their eyes, they are a valuable member of the team, etc.

Would you go back to a job like the above, if the alternative was to be unemployed?

Just looking for some other perspectives?

Would appreciate some constructive advice.

Thank you.

sexmag

Why go back to a place to be bullied and made a scapegoat?

Constructive dismissal comes to mind

Hello 1

sexmag wrote: »

Why go back to a place to be bullied and made a scapegoat?

Constructive dismissal comes to mind

The people doing the bullying have left the company - they no longer work there anymore - so this is not an issue in the present circumstances.

messrs

Did the management that asked you back know about the bullying at the time?

Stheno

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