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2018-2019 Champions Cup

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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,823 ✭✭✭✭ Riskymove


    A preliminary draw will be conducted to establish Tier 1 with two of the three second-ranked clubs – Exeter Chiefs, Scarlets and Montpellier

    Joining Leinster, Saracens, and Castres, in the top tier. Once Tier 1 has been established, the remaining three tiers will fall into place.

    Tier 2 will include Wasps, Glasgow Warriors and Racing 92
    – as well as the second-ranked club which was not drawn into Tier 1 and the fourth-ranked club from the same league as the club which was not drawn into Tier 1.

    Tier 3 will include the two clubs ranked fourth which are not in Tier 2 as well as Leicester Tigers, Edinburgh Rugby and Toulouse.

    Tier 4 is complete and contains Bath Rugby, Cardiff Blues, RC Toulon, Ulster Rugby and Gloucester Rugby.

    When the tiers are completed, the main draw for the five pools will be made, and during the draw, some clubs may have to be placed directly into a pool in order to ensure that the key principles apply.


    For some reason they do not name the Fourth ranked teams which includes Munster


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,823 ✭✭✭✭ Riskymove


    Heineken Champions Cup Pool Draw – Key Principles

    The 20 clubs are divided into four tiers based on their qualifying positions from the leagues, or on other official qualification criteria. This will be done where necessary by a draw.

    The 20 clubs will then be drawn into five pools of four clubs each.

    Each pool will have at least one club from each of the three leagues.

    Each of the five pools will have one club from each of the four tiers.

    There will be no more than two clubs from the same league in a pool.

    No pool will contain two PRO14 clubs from the same country.

    Clubs from the same league will be kept apart until the allocation of the Tier 4 clubs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,160 ✭✭✭ Burkie1203


    So Munster could end up in a group with Saracens Toulon and ome of Scarlets/Racing/Exeter.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,823 ✭✭✭✭ Riskymove


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    So Munster could end up in a group with Saracens Toulon and ome of Scarlets/Racing/Exeter.

    I think Irish teams could only end up with a second Pro14 team from Tier 4...so Cardiff

    Cant get Scarlets

    Sarries, Racing and Toulon a possibility...if Munster end up in Tier 3 rather than tier 2


    there will be only one group with two french teams so would be unlucky but possible


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,823 ✭✭✭✭ Riskymove


    I think the other 4th teams are Newcastle and Lyon


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  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭ thomond2006


    Leinster must draw Cardiff since Tiers 1-3 cannot mix different leagues and Leinster cannot be paired with Ulster in Tier 4. If Scarlets are allocated to Tier 1 they cannot be paired with Cardiff.

    At least, I think I have that right?

    Edit: Oops, I think it just means Leinster cannot draw a Pro14 side in Tiers 2 and 3. Nevermind...


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭ thomond2006


    Just looking on expedia: Accomodation is scarce for the final weekend. Sounds fishy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,282 ✭✭✭✭ Podge_irl


    Just looking on expedia: Accomodation is scarce for the final weekend. Sounds fishy.

    fishy?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,519 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Neil3030


    So looking at how the Tiers work, the whole process follows from whatever two teams are drawn in Tier 1, from the 3 second seed teams, i.e., Monty, Scarlets and Exeter.

    So it will be:

    Leinster Sarries Castres Exeter Scarlets
    Wasps Glasgow Racing Monty Lyon
    Leicester Edinburgh Toulouse Newcastle Munster
    Bath Cardiff Toulon Ulster Gloucester

    or:

    Leinster Sarries Castres Monty Exeter
    Wasps Glasgow Racing Scarlets Munster
    Leicester Edinburgh Toulouse Newcastle Lyon
    Bath Cardiff Toulon Ulster Gloucester

    or:

    Leinster Sarries Castres Scarlets Monty
    Wasps Glasgow Racing Exeter Newcastle
    Leicester Edinburgh Toulouse Lyon Munster
    Bath Cardiff Toulon Ulster Gloucester


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,045 ✭✭✭✭ vienne86


    What time is the draw at tomorrow? And is it on tv?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭ The Lost Sheep


    vienne86 wrote: »
    What time is the draw at tomorrow? And is it on tv?
    Wont be on tv.
    Draw is at 2.20 irish time


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 Former Former


    vienne86 wrote: »
    What time is the draw at tomorrow? And is it on tv?

    Streamed on EPCR website


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,304 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Peregrine


    vienne86 wrote: »
    What time is the draw at tomorrow? And is it on tv?

    Yes, BT Sport 2.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,045 ✭✭✭✭ vienne86


    Peregrine wrote: »
    Yes, BT Sport 2.

    Well spotted - Peregrine!


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,364 ✭✭✭✭ molloyjh


    Neil3030 wrote: »
    So looking at how the Tiers work, the whole process follows from whatever two teams are drawn in Tier 1, from the 3 second seed teams, i.e., Monty, Scarlets and Exeter.

    So it will be:

    Leinster Sarries Castres Exeter Scarlets
    Wasps Glasgow Racing Monty Lyon
    Leicester Edinburgh Toulouse Newcastle Munster
    Bath Cardiff Toulon Ulster Gloucester

    or:

    Leinster Sarries Castres Monty Exeter
    Wasps Glasgow Racing Scarlets Munster
    Leicester Edinburgh Toulouse Newcastle Lyon
    Bath Cardiff Toulon Ulster Gloucester

    or:

    Leinster Sarries Castres Scarlets Monty
    Wasps Glasgow Racing Exeter Newcastle
    Leicester Edinburgh Toulouse Lyon Munster
    Bath Cardiff Toulon Ulster Gloucester

    So, based on the above, the easiest draw for Leinster would be Newcastle, Lyon and Cardiff. The hardest would be Racing, Leicester, Toulon. Do I have that right?

    EDIT: Possible draws being:

    Leinster
    Exeter/Wasps/Newcastle
    Toulouse/Lyon
    Bath/Cardiff/Toulon/Ulster/Gloucester


    Leinster
    Racing/Monty/Lyon
    Leicester/Newcastle
    Bath/Cardiff/Toulon/Ulster/Gloucester


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,470 ✭✭✭ Jump_In_Jack


    molloyjh wrote: »
    So, based on the above, the easiest draw for Leinster would be Newcastle, Lyon and Cardiff. The hardest would be Racing, Leicester, Toulon. Do I have that right?

    EDIT: Possible draws being:

    Leinster
    Exeter/Wasps/Newcastle
    Toulouse/Lyon
    Bath/Cardiff/Toulon/Ulster/Gloucester


    Leinster
    Racing/Monty/Lyon
    Leicester/Newcastle
    Bath/Cardiff/Toulon/Ulster/Gloucester

    It depends how you decide which team is stronger or weaker,
    For example, out of Leicester and Newcastle, Newcastle are the higher seed from the English league.
    And between Racing, Montpellier and Lyon, Montpellier are the highest seed from the French league.
    And between the two leagues, which combination would work out stronger or weaker, Tier 2 team from France with Tier 3 from England or the other way around.

    I posted this back in May on the previous thread based on league performance, and I think it still holds, however I haven't done the research into transfers for next season, so teams past performance may not be the best indicator without factoring in the transfers:

    Leinster (worst case) Leinster/Montpellier/Newcastle/Toulon
    Leinster (best case) Leinster/Lyon/Leicester/Blues

    Munster (worst case) Saracens/Montpellier/Munster/Toulon
    Munster (best case) Castres/Munster/Leicester/Blues

    Ulster (worst case) Saracens/Scarlets/Toulouse/Ulster
    Ulster (best case) Castres/Newcastle/Edinburgh/Ulster


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,224 ✭✭✭✭ Venjur


    Not that bothered what group Leinster get. We had probably the hardest group of all time this year and won the thing outright and we generally do better when we win in a tough pool.

    I'm more interested to see what sort of interesting fixtures the pool stages throw out. Mostly interested to see what sort of a pool Ulster get because if they can get any opportunity for knock out rugby next season it would be a brilliant turnaround.


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,978 irishbucsfan


    That would be really impressive considering the draw isn't made until 2pm


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,470 ✭✭✭ Jump_In_Jack


    At least now we can go back to calling it the Heineken Cup again as they are the sponsors for the new season.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 603 umop episdn


    At least now we can go back to calling it the Heineken Cup again as they are the sponsors for the new season.

    Or "Rancid piss masquerading as beer" Cup


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,442 its_phil


    Or "Rancid piss masquerading as beer" Cup

    GTFO with your blasphemy


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 603 umop episdn


    its_phil wrote: »
    GTFO with your blasphemy

    You'll be one of the " 3 pints of Heinomite brigade"
    :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭ thomond2006




  • Registered Users Posts: 37,978 irishbucsfan


    Here we go, are we all wildly excited?


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,599 ScrubsfanChris


    Still feel it's bollox that German team were disqualified. Those players must be rightly pissed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,978 irishbucsfan


    Saints in tier 1!

    Pau in tier!

    The ****ing excitement of it!


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,978 irishbucsfan


    Still feel it's bollox that German team were disqualified. Those players must be rightly pissed.

    They should be pissed at HP Wild


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,063 ✭✭✭✭ wp_rathead


    They should be pissed at HP Wild

    they should be pissed at Stade not getting into Champions Cup


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,553 ✭✭✭✭ errlloyd


    Austin definitely ****ed that up. There are 3 clubs in the tier one basin, and 7 in the tier 2.

    Edit: ah no, I'm wrong. Just looked weird on TV.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,599 ScrubsfanChris


    They should be pissed at HP Wild
    Yeah, didn't mean to imply their gripe was with EPCR


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