Composite decking from China

B-D-P--

Hi all,
I have found 25mm thick composite decking from a company in alibaba, they have good references on alibaba and trading there for 12 years, I've been quoted €13psm,
In Ireland I've gotten €45psm
Im doing 130sqm so ya can understand the savings.

However I wonder would it be complete muck?
All they do is decking so basically I'm getting it directly from factory hence savings.

Also I know I should ask in a different forum but what would I be liable for on customs?

Let's say we agree on €1800 for the decking what other fees could I face getting them delivered besides the delivery itself.

And yes I do know I need clips too.

T-Maxx

I presume you mean Eur13/m2.

I'm following this as I've some decking to do myself, subject to funds being available.

tedpan

B-D-P-- wrote:

Hi all, I have found 25mm thick composite decking from a company in alibaba, they have good references on alibaba and trading there for 12 years, I've been quoted €13 pm, In Ireland I've gotten €45psm Im doing 130sqm so ya can understand the savings.

Do you have a link?

B-D-P--

tedpan wrote: »

Do you have a link?

website:www.hshuasu.com


Edit: Drop down in top right has language change

Del2005

B-D-P-- wrote: »

Hi all,
I have found 25mm thick composite decking from a company in alibaba, they have good references on alibaba and trading there for 12 years, I've been quoted €13psm,
In Ireland I've gotten €45psm
Im doing 130sqm so ya can understand the savings.

However I wonder would it be complete muck?
All they do is decking so basically I'm getting it directly from factory hence savings.

Also I know I should ask in a different forum but what would I be liable for on customs?

Let's say we agree on €1800 for the decking what other fees could I face getting them delivered besides the delivery itself.

And yes I do know I need clips too.

You'll be charged VAT on the Irish value of the product that you are importing or if lucky they'll charge you the VAT on purchase+shipping, regardless they will charge VAT on the shipping price. You may be liable for duty also.

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/calculation-customs-duties_en

Depending on how its delivered you may also need a customs agent and arrange for collection from the port

BryanF

CE marking?

k123456

Looks like a good idea, for any imports outside EU, you will be charged duty and VAT, and assuming the delivery costs are low, you should make big savings, even factoring the duty and VAT,

I have bought 100's of things from China, and 99% happy with my purchases. It is very possible the Irish decking at 45 per sqm is manufactured in China

maybe ask them to send you a sample

If you dont order enough, you will need to get "more" delivered, so ensure you order enough. I would guess order your sqm + 14% perhaps for wastage off cuts etc. If you any any left over, sell on adverts.ie , make planters , seats etc

you will need to factor sqm in the front of your deck if elevated

I would guess delivery time is six weeks, so factor this in

Manmade deckboards have a huge life span, what doesnt however is 4x4 posts set into concretre pads, if this company sell 4x4 in the same material , perhaps use these as support posts for your pressure treated frame.

Pressure treated frames, do last, but to ensure this,
retreat any cuts, with cresote
keep away from soil
where you frame meets a wall garden ,house etc, dampness can occur , extra treatment in addition to the standard pressure treated finish, use cresote

B-D-P--

BryanF wrote: »

CE marking?

Also guys, what port would be best,
I'm in Mayo so none really close, I imagine dublin, belfast or cork?

k123456

I wonder ...Vat and duty might be less in Belfast than ROI ports, just a thought

B-D-P--

k123456 wrote: »

I wonder ...Vat and duty might be less in Belfast than ROI ports, just a thought

Is it possible to get a double whammy, UK VAT and Duty then ROI Vat and Duty?


EDIT:

Very interesting: For the shipping cost from Shanghai to Dublin,the cost is 0.

But you have to pay about EURO340-EURO 350 in destination port in Dublin for customs.

B-D-P--

bombarding my own thread, but sure be grand.

They do not have CE making on each individual board, but company has CE certification.

B-D-P--

Free 10cm sample in the way, they allow purchase through alibaba for security

Del2005

B-D-P-- wrote: »

bombarding my own thread, but sure be grand.

They do not have CE making on each individual board, but company has CE certification.

If they aren't CE certifying the boards then they don't comply with EU regulations. The company having CE doesn't matter if their products don't.

k123456

If no CE cert, what happens

B-D-P--

Del2005 wrote: »

If they aren't CE certifying the boards then they don't comply with EU regulations. The company having CE doesn't matter if their products don't.

Was in Woodies yesterday wandering around, Seen they sell composite boards.
Inspected 3-4, No CE mark to be seen anywhere.

Graham

B-D-P-- wrote: »

But you have to pay about EURO340-EURO 350 in destination port in Dublin for customs.

Plus whatever random charges their shipping agent lumps in. It's not uncommon to end up getting completely fleeced on hidden charges doing it that way.

k123456

China seems to be the way to go here

Irish supplied 5850

China Supplied 1690
add vat 2087
duty unknown
Shipping unknown 300 ?

Assuming China supplier charges 300 shipping

5500

Afaik duty is 0 rated on composite boards so VAT is your main extra. Customs broker to file your SAD will cost you 120, shipping stevedore fee for unloading say a pallet ranges from 60 to 130 depending on shipping company it's sent with.

What you need to clarify first is the shipping cost and if it is FOB (paid to the agent in ireland or CF, paid at their side) if fob depending on the shipping line their agents in ireland may charge a higher fee than the agent in Asia, while CF you pay the shipping upfront so know where you stand with figures,

if they are including shipping in the cost per sqm, just make sure the invoice is broken down to show the cost per plank and then shipping separate, as customs won't accept the paperwork without a shipping price, and will levy their own estimate if none is provided, this is where it can get pricey, so just make sure the supplier has the paperwork in order and you'll have no problems.

B-D-P--

5500 wrote: »

Afaik duty is 0 rated on composite boards so VAT is your main extra. Customs broker to file your SAD will cost you 120, shipping stevedore fee for unloading say a pallet ranges from 60 to 130 depending on shipping company it's sent with.

What you need to clarify first is the shipping cost and if it is FOB (paid to the agent in ireland or CF, paid at their side) if fob depending on the shipping line their agents in ireland may charge a higher fee than the agent in Asia, while CF you pay the shipping upfront so know where you stand with figures,

if they are including shipping in the cost per sqm, just make sure the invoice is broken down to show the cost per plank and then shipping separate, as customs won't accept the paperwork without a shipping price, and will levy their own estimate if none is provided, this is where it can get pricey, so just make sure the supplier has the paperwork in order and you'll have no problems.

Thanks v much, The seller is offering each FOB and CIF but saying FOB generally works out cheaper.
They are giving me choice, but also said, check out the cost and they'd check their side.

k123456

Keep us posted on the costs and the sample , please. Massive savings to be made I think

I cant see much going wrong with the composite decking, it is possible they will fade slightly in the sun, but that will happen to Irish Supplied Composite or natural DBs ; teak , Larch etc

5500

B-D-P-- wrote: »

Thanks v much, The seller is offering each FOB and CIF but saying FOB generally works out cheaper.
They are giving me choice, but also said, check out the cost and they'd check their side.

If they tell you the shipping company they use and their price just call their agents at this side with the size of the load and compare then, but personally I'd go with CIF if they are offering it, at least you can work out your totals now if they give you the full price for what to expect on arrival, plus the shipment is also insured if the boat sinks

B-D-P--

5500 wrote: »

if the boat sinks

*All Irish mammies: "touch wood touch wood touch wood."

studdlymurphy

B-D-P-- wrote:

*All Irish mammies: "touch wood touch wood touch wood."

Touch composite

listermint

Del2005 wrote: »

If they aren't CE certifying the boards then they don't comply with EU regulations. The company having CE doesn't matter if their products don't.

havent seen a CE mark on composite decking before myself.

have you ???

ted1

Sure it’s self certifying anyway. And if you do see it, it probably the China Export version that looks amazingly like the European CE mark.

B-D-P--

Ok, Got it last Monday.

Compared it to the Irish suppliers samples.

Irish sample was less hollow although it was 23mm, it still contained more plastic (We'll call it plastic but its a plastic/wood composite)
Chinese had thinner walls was 25mm high.

Both fairly scrapped very easy, especially across the grooves.
Under stress, when Head first in vice, both lasted well.
When under stress inserted length ways, the Chinese lasted as long as the irish supplier, however when it broke it smashed, the Irish not as much.
This was under a severe load all the same before it did.

Both survived a drop of the hammer on them.

However, The scrapping put me off, Big time.
I've two huskies, if they try to file their nails, they'd destroy it.

If we're sitting at the table outside having a barbie, someone gets up without fully lifting the chair it'd be marked, give it 1 summer it'd be pretty tatty.

Hence I'm going to pave the back instead. More durable and same price once ya haggle a little.

If i was still inclined or someone reading this is still considering.
I would have still chosen the Chinese over Irish supplier for the savings.
Quality was 90% as good.

Gumbo

B-D-P-- wrote: »

however when it broke it smashed, the Irish not as much.

Can you expand a bit on this please.
This is one of many reason why products have to be CE certified for use here in Ireland.

If the product becomes dangerous after failing and the Irish version doesn't, then it would appear that the Irish version is compliant and fit for purpose.

A bit like toughened glass shattering into small bits instead of large sharp panes.

B-D-P--

kceire wrote: »

Can you expand a bit on this please.
This is one of many reason why products have to be CE certified for use here in Ireland.

If the product becomes dangerous after failing and the Irish version doesn't, then it would appear that the Irish version is compliant and fit for purpose.

A bit like toughened glass shattering into small bits instead of large sharp panes.

I wouldn't call it dangerous, It had smaller pieces than the Irish sold.
But they werent sharp and still bigger than 1in long.

Gumbo

B-D-P-- wrote: »

I wouldn't call it dangerous, It had smaller pieces than the Irish sold.
But they werent sharp and still bigger than 1in long.

Cool, thanks for the update.
One apartment scheme over the North side of the City that I was involved in this year (128 aapartments), put this stuff down on all balconies and all balcony separation walls.

Its a nice non maintenance finish for the end user IMO.

ted1

Any chance of some pictures?

B-D-P--

From me or KCeire?

my stuff gone in the bin, so no from me

Gumbo

ted1 wrote: »

Any chance of some pictures?

here are some of mine anyway.