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A Star Is Born (2018)

  • 07-06-2018 1:12pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 12,753 ✭✭✭✭ bnt




    It's a story told many times before:
    • the 1937 original with a fairly unknown cast that included Janet Gaynor and Adolphe Menjou;
    • the 1954 remake with Judy Garland and James Mason;
    • the 1976 remake with Barbra Streisand and Kris Kristofferson;
    and now Bradley Cooper directs and stars in another remake alongside Lady Gaga, with Sam Elliott, Andrew Dice Clay, and Dave Chappelle. So my first question is: do we need this movie at all?

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,517 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Sad Professor


    Sure why not? The two previous remakes were quite different from the original and from each other. Though this seems much closer to the '76 version than the earlier ones which were about the film business.

    Impressive trailer. Music doesn't sound terrible which is essential for any kind of musical. I think this will be a big hit.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,839 ✭✭✭✭ Darko


    This recent trend of asking "do we need this film" or saying "no one asked for this film" is just painful. They are just such ridiculously stupid statements that mean nothing. No work of art is needed or asked for when you think about it.

    The trailer looks grand and its hardly enticing enough for me to go out of my way to see it but Sam Elliot, Andrew Dice Clay (who has been excellent of late in a number of films and shows) and Dave Chappelle mean that I'll watch it at some stage.


  • Registered Users Posts: 75,500 ✭✭✭✭ JP Liz V1


    Sure why not? The two previous remakes were quite different from the original and from each other. Though this seems much closer to the '76 version than the earlier ones which were about the film business.

    Impressive trailer. Music doesn't sound terrible which is essential for any kind of musical. I think this will be a big hit.

    Cooper does seem to be very like Kristofferson but I am glad Gaga is the lead and not Beyonce who was once attached


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭ otnomart


    The trailer looks compelling and so sound the snippets of the soundrack, I am actually quite looking forward to the songs to be released.


  • Registered Users Posts: 530 ✭✭✭ elbyrneo


    Darko wrote: »
    This recent trend of asking "do we need this film" or saying "no one asked for this film" is just painful. They are just such ridiculously stupid statements that mean nothing.

    Yeah but Ghostbusters (2016)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭ otnomart


    Just red The Guardian review from Venice, and it gave it five stars.
    Looking forward to see it !


  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 54,523 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭ Mr E


    5 stars in Empire too.

    I saw the trailer a few nights ago in the cinema and I'm definitely going to see this.

    It's here on October 5th.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭ otnomart


    The production co released 4 mini-trailers, here is one:



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,931 Mod ✭✭✭✭ CatFromHue


    otnomart wrote: »
    The trailer looks compelling and so sound the snippets of the soundrack, I am actually quite looking forward to the songs to be released.

    I've watched the trailer over and over just for the song.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭ otnomart


    the full single Shallow has been out on Youtube since the week-end
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo_efYhYU2A

    Can't wait to see the movie in a few days, hope I will not be disappointed


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,830 ✭✭✭ Shelga


    Saw it this afternoon, really good movie, except
    I wasn't prepared for the fact that he killed himself in the end :( Wasn't that familiar with the other versions. I thought he'd relapse but then there'd be a redemption speech followed by a climactic musical duet :( Oh well, more powerful this way I guess. Just very sad, he had so much to live for.

    Lady Gaga is getting all the praise but Bradley Cooper really conveys that deep sadness felt by his character so well.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,055 ✭✭✭✭ gmisk


    Shelga wrote: »
    Saw it this afternoon, really good movie, except
    I wasn't prepared for the fact that he killed himself in the end :( Wasn't that familiar with the other versions. I thought he'd relapse but then there'd be a redemption speech followed by a climactic musical duet :( Oh well, more powerful this way I guess. Just very sad, he had so much to live for.

    Lady Gaga is getting all the praise but Bradley Cooper really conveys that deep sadness felt by his character so well.
    Saw this evening spot on totally agree with your opinions.
    I haven't seen any of the other versions so didn't know plot.
    Bradley Cooper was standout for me as well, he did a great job directing it as well. I thought Sam Elliot did a lot with his small part.
    Lady gaga is also very good and an outstanding voice, no doubt.
    I do think the songs were a wee bit hit and miss the last song and shallows were standouts for me.
    I can see it being a massive hit tbh
    lots of tears in screening I was at with the ending
    8/10


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,810 ✭✭✭ Addle


    Another critically acclaimed film that I just don't get the fuss about.
    I thought it was boring.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,653 ✭✭✭ Lisha


    I can’t wait to see it. I love the song Shallow. It’s amazing..


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,055 ✭✭✭✭ gmisk


    Addle wrote: »
    Another critically acclaimed film that I just don't get the fuss about.
    I thought it was boring.
    I didnt find it boring at all...what were you expecting really? Was it the plot? How it was shot?
    What critically acclaimed films this year werent boring for you?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,810 ✭✭✭ Addle


    Maybe I just had too high expectations of it so it was destined to disappoint. There was a couple of sweet moments, but nothing to anticipate and no climax.
    Was I supposed to feel sorry for Ally and/or Jack? I didn't. I couldn't understand why people around me were crying at the end.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,055 ✭✭✭✭ gmisk


    Addle wrote: »
    Maybe I just had too high expectations of it so it was destined to disappoint. There was a couple of sweet moments, but nothing to anticipate and no climax.
    Was I supposed to feel sorry for Ally and/or Jack? I didn't. I couldn't understand why people around me were crying at the end.
    Maybe the high expectations were the issue.
    I still wouldn't call it boring at all, its a fairly simple story no doubt, but I thought it was excellently directed and the singing scenes were generally sensational.
    Some of my favourite films this year people might consider boring e.g. leave no trace, lean on pete, but hey everyone entitled to their own opinion.

    I did get some echos of crazy heart watching this, not a bad thing just an observation.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 27,258 CMod ✭✭✭✭ johnny_ultimate


    I preface this by emphasising that I haven't seen any of the previous incarnations of A Star Is Born. I stress that only because when I say this film's fatal flaw is familiarity, I don't mean in the sense of it being the fourth (?) interpretation of the same story... more that I feel like I've seen this film a thousand times before.

    Things start well enough - indeed, the first 45 mins to an hour are generally pretty good! Both stars give it socks (I confess that the sort of mumbling drunk approach adopted by Cooper is, while technically impressive, the sort of very particular prestige performance you see reasonably regularly - Crazy Heart being a perfect example). Cooper is an impressively steady hand as a director - he has a good sense of giving scenes all the room they need to breathe, and there's lots of smart touches in the editing and sound design. Visually, he and his team do a good job too - while much of the film is kept in intimate close-up, there's some bold compositions to be enjoyed when he chooses to zoom out (I'm always a sucker for a striking opening title as well). For the first act and into the second, the main romance was endearing and likable. And maybe it's just seeing it in a high quality cinema screen, but the sound pretty much roars out of the speakers.

    Then the film peaks. Make no mistake: the Shallow scene is a killer, and totally sells the story's pivotal turning point. But it comes quite early. Once the star of the title is indeed born, the film doesn't have anywhere particularly interesting to go. Especially when it shifts focus from Ally to Jackson, I just felt left behind - the situations were predictable, the drama beats obvious (not to mention the
    'pants pissing'
    scene feeling far too overegged), and everything was paint by numbers. I think it rallies at the last minute to deliver a rousing finale - but, as enthusiastically presented as that scene is (
    with one particularly impactful cut to flashback... managing to sell the brief flashbacks I'd actually kinda hated earlier in the scene
    ) I was emotionally tuned out at that stage.
    Tears, in short, did not flow
    . The film toys with ideas of artistic honesty and the perils of commercialisation, but ultimately offers few insights in that respect.

    It's a perfectly decent film - an impressive debut; solid acting from Gaga especially; and with one or two properly great scenes. But one or two properly great scenes do not a properly great film make, and sadly too much of this film just didn't have the spark to overcome the familiarity of this age-old story.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭ otnomart


    Seen it this afternoon.
    I had seen the Judy Garland version and the Streisand/Kristofferson version years ago, only have a faded memory of them though.
    Still, I knew the plot and mainly went looking for good music and good performances. Was not disappointed by those: thought both leads acted their socks off, and the supporting actors too.

    I didn't care much about the final song: that felt really commercial and a way to channel both Whitney Houston and Celine Dion and looking for something iconic where there wasn't any.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭ mrsdewinter


    Went to see it this afternoon. I'm another person who never saw any of the earlier versions, but I loved this incarnation. Bradley Cooper does a sterling job as the booze-soaked over-the-hill guy who's had his day. Lady Gaga is wonderful. I'll be interested to see how this fares.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,374 twirlagig


    Off on Monday, hoping to go see it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭ 0lddog


    Every time I see

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    Is it just me ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,460 ✭✭✭ Rfrip


    Went to see it with an open mind...hated la la land and wouldn’t be a big Lady Gaga fan.
    It was excellent, she was great it in, but god I felt every single bit of emotion from Bradly cooper in every scene of his.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭ leex


    Went to see it tonight also. Cooper and Lady Ga Ga both excellent. Would recommend it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭ Mrs Shuttleworth


    0lddog wrote: »
    Every time I see

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    I think of



    Is it just me ?

    Hahaha brilliant. You have them rumbled there.

    I went to see it last night. I've seen the Judy Garland one but not the others.

    I thought it was a bit odd production wise to set it in that pop country/John Mayer field of music, given how we're drenched in synth pop and hip-hop in this current era. I liked that they didn't but I'm not sure how much it would connect with a new young audience.

    I thought Gaga was excellent and also Cooper but the script was thin and the running time at two hours too short for this story. The Garland one is three hours with an intermission. This was always an "epic" slow burn of a piece and it all felt a bit rushed.

    Shooting onto digital didn't help either, if he'd shot on film it would have had more soul and warmth.

    Songs were great.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,540 ✭✭✭ tunguska


    Went to see it saturday night and I'd rate it as just ok. Lady Gaga is obviously getting a lot of praise for her acting, and rightly so. I mean after 5mins I forgot I was watching Lady Gaga, which says it all really. But I thought Bradley cooper was the stand out here. He's never been better and I hope he wins an oscar for his part. He co-wrote the screenplay and directed so he could bag a few awards. Its definitely an oscar bait type of film. But personally I just feel that at some point the film started to drift. It started off really well but then seemed to lose its way. Its a decent film with some decent songs and great acting, just not something that really did it for me(as La la land did). Although what do I know......at the screening I went to, there was a lot of people moved to tears by it(100% women I think). So I dare to say this is a movie that the girls will resonate with more than the lads.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭ MfMan


    tunguska wrote: »
    Went to see it saturday night and I'd rate it as just ok. Lady Gaga is obviously getting a lot of praise for her acting, and rightly so. I mean after 5mins I forgot I was watching Lady Gaga, which says it all really. But I thought Bradley cooper was the stand out here. He's never been better and I hope he wins an oscar for his part. He co-wrote the screenplay and directed so he could bag a few awards. Its definitely an oscar bait type of film. But personally I just feel that at some point the film started to drift. It started off really well but then seemed to lose its way. Its a decent film with some decent songs and great acting, just not something that really did it for me(as La la land did). Although what do I know......at the screening I went to, there was a lot of people moved to tears by it(100% women I think). So I dare to say this is a movie that the girls will resonate with more than the lads.

    Agree with it resonating more with women than men.
    Just don't get the outpouring of love for it myself. Lady GaGa very good and the story is well told, if nothing particularly new, (well it is a remake anyway.) Thought Cooper, as director, could have sharpened it up a bit with a bit more pace and less draggy bits. Cooper, as actor, I didn't feel his character progressed any; you wonder how he maintained his fame for so long, if he was drinking constantly like that. I found his performance just too sub-Jeff Bridges/Big Lebowski, always looking downwards and muttering his dialogue rather incoherently, (maybe I'm just a bit deaf though.) Was't able to keep up with or follow the location changes - where was each particular scene taking place? The songs itself were meaningless twaddle, like listening to a mindfulness self-help book. Or Ed Sheeran.


  • Registered Users Posts: 43,460 ✭✭✭✭ Basq


    It was good to be fair.. I don't think it was a 5* movie but Cooper and Gaga are both very good and the soundtrack is largely solid.

    To be honest, the most moving scene was
    Sam Elliott's teared filled eyes reversing out of the drive after Jackson tells him he idolised him, as opposed to his father.
    .


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭ metaoblivia


    I saw this last weekend and wasn't impressed. I thought it was an overly sentimental vanity project for Bradley Cooper. Lady Gaga was okay, not amazing. It started out alright but by the time we were in the second act it had taken a nose dive straight into the maudlin. The pacing felt off - some things happened too fast while the end of the film just lingered. The final song was supposed to be a showstopper and it just fell flat for me. Most of the music was crap, in fact. I couldn't invest in any of the characters because I didn't feel like there was any depth to them, so I didn't care what happened. It was a shallow film that tried too hard to make people feel something.

    And they gave away the end
    in the first 5 minutes. In the very beginning when Cooper's character leaves the concert and gets into his car, there's a huge billboard with 5 or 6 nooses right behind him and his profile is framed next to the nooses as the car starts to drive off. I thought to myself, "Well, now we know how he offs himself in this one."
    For me, that was way too heavy-handed.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,020 ✭✭✭ eviltimeban


    Basq wrote: »
    It was good to be fair.. I don't think it was a 5* movie but Cooper and Gaga are both very good and the soundtrack is largely solid.

    To be honest, the most moving scene was
    Sam Elliott's teared filled eyes reversing out of the drive after Jackson tells him he idolised him, as opposed to his father.
    .

    Agreed, that was very subtle and very poignant.


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