Ryanair delays Summmer 18

Stevek101

Anyone have any insight into any possible staffing issues Ryanair are facing? It would appear things have gone sour again similar to late last summer with long delays across the network. ATC issues are being blamed for the UK. Worrying to see such long delays at the start of peak summer schedule. Are crew out running out of hours with long delays due to weather for the past number of weeks?

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Ryanair are under crewed again and as you said the strain of the summer schedule is starting to take its toll with numerous flight cancellations. And it's not even summer peak traffic yet.

Possible industrial action to follow around the network too from both pilots and cabin crew.
Dublin pilots are close to balloting for industrial action so I've been informed. It seems the lessons of last September have been forgotten already by Ryanair management.

Staff morale is at an all time low. Pilots, cabincrew, engineers, and groundstaff have all had enough of managements treatment and are leaving for the likes of Aer Lingus, Norwegian, Wow, and China.
Ryanair is not in a good place despite what profits they claim to be still making.

Jimmy Dags

Stansted busy today

Stevek101

Large number of flight cancellations in the past seven days and many flights delayed by 3 hours network wide. It does seem like something is going very wrong. Ryanair operated Laudamotion is particularity hard hit. I'd go as far as to say it seems to be worse than last year.

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Stevek101 wrote:

I'd go as far as to say it seems to be worse than last year.

It is worse, much worse. And they won't have "pilot leave" as an excuse this time round.

Stevek101

Once we don't end up with mass cancellations.

kevinandrew

Noticed it with STN arrivals the other night, pretty much every flight was delayed by well over an hour and some by as much as three hours. In fairness, EasyJet were also suffering some delays into LTN but nowhere near as bad and not as noticeable as they usually have quite a few scheduled arrivals post 0200 whereas Ryanair end their day flying a little earlier.

Thunderstorms in the UK and across much of Europe were an issue last week but had mainly moved on by the weekend so I wondered whether it was another internal issue at Ryanair or just a bad day at the office.

Chris_5339762

I'm so glad I decided to pay the extra this year and fly EI. I had a strong feeling that this issue wasn't just going to go away.

mikemac2

Last week FR46 Dublin to Charleroi was one hour late due to plane not arriving on it, no big deal so be it and have seen it plenty of times before

We scanned through the gate and maybe 10 of us boarded at the back door and then a shout went from the front door to the back door to stop boarding. The captain/first officer came down to us in the aisle, a pretty cool professional chap and explained they were behind schedule and were going "out of hours" or something like that, I think I got the phrase wrong.

So our plane was given to Dublin - Manchester which is a shorter route and the crew did that short route and we waited 4 hours for another plane and crew who could take us. Oh it was like Kings cross train station as the last minute gate changes went through and the Manchester passengers sprinted to our former gate ha

Delays happen meh not bothered. Never in my life did I board a plane and get kicked off two minutes later. The plane and the gate not talking to each other

893bet

kevinandrew wrote: »

Noticed it with STN arrivals the other night, pretty much every flight was delayed by well over an hour and some by as much as three hours. In fairness, EasyJet were also suffering some delays into LTN but nowhere near as bad and not as noticeable as they usually have quite a few scheduled arrivals post 0200 whereas Ryanair end their day flying a little earlier.

Thunderstorms in the UK and across much of Europe were an issue last week but had mainly moved on by the weekend so I wondered whether it was another internal issue at Ryanair or just a bad day at the office.

I was on one of those delayed flights from Stansted....captain said it was very busy over Europe..Belgium and Germany....... what ever that was supposed to mean.

Last Sunday (as in the week before so the 27th). My flight was 1.5 hrs late taking off....had to add fuel do to a damaged fuel rig in stansted as a result of storms. Then we were waiting 30 mins on tarmac in stansted.....then it took them 3 hours to get our bags off the plane! Ended up having to take a 320 GBP taxi direct from airport to southhampton to make our holiday cruise. Will be looking at other airlines a lot more in future.

Stevek101

Big improvement tonight thankfully.

faoiarvok

mikemac2 wrote: »

The captain/first officer came down to us in the aisle, a pretty cool professional chap and explained they were behind schedule and were going "out of hours" or something like that, I think I got the phrase wrong.

Sounds right. The crew were approaching their maximum legal amount of hours flying in one day.

faoiarvok

893bet wrote: »

I was on one of those delayed flights from Stansted....captain said it was very busy over Europe..Belgium and Germany....... what ever that was supposed to mean.

Traffic. There was a French ATC strike so aircraft were forced to take longer routes to avoid, putting more aircraft into the same place at the same time. Aircraft could be rerouted, speed limited, or held on the ground to keep them apart.

893bet wrote: »

Last Sunday (as in the week before so the 27th). My flight was 1.5 hrs late taking off....had to add fuel do to a damaged fuel rig in stansted as a result of storms. Then we were waiting 30 mins on tarmac in stansted.....then it took them 3 hours to get our bags off the plane! Ended up having to take a 320 GBP taxi direct from airport to southhampton to make our holiday cruise. Will be looking at other airlines a lot more in future.

There was no fuel available in Stansted at all, stranding aircraft already there, and forcing others to bring enough with them to get out again. I’m sure it was insane trying to get anything done at the airport with that sort of disruption, and I’m not sure any other airline would be guaranteed to fair better considering the circumstances.

Tenger

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

I'm so glad I decided to pay the extra this year and fly EI. I had a strong feeling that this issue wasn't just going to go away.

Past experience would indicate that the shamrocks can have as many problems as the harps.

bigar

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

I'm so glad I decided to pay the extra this year and fly EI. I had a strong feeling that this issue wasn't just going to go away.

Every (and I mean every) flight I took with EI in the last 5 years had delays of at least 20 minutes.

Be sure to give the people a wave in the Ryanair flight that will likely be on time.

893bet

893bet wrote: »

I was on one of those delayed flights from Stansted....captain said it was very busy over Europe..Belgium and Germany....... what ever that was supposed to mean.

Last Sunday (as in the week before so the 27th). My flight was 1.5 hrs late taking off....had to add fuel do to a damaged fuel rig in stansted as a result of storms. Then we were waiting 30 mins on tarmac in stansted.....then it took them 3 hours to get our bags off the plane! Ended up having to take a 320 GBP taxi direct from airport to southhampton to make our holiday cruise. Will be looking at other airlines a lot more in future.

How would any other airline deal with network congestion, a lightning strike on an airports fuel supply system and the resultant mayhem any differently ?

L1011

bigar wrote: »

Every (and I mean every) flight I took with EI in the last 5 years had delays of at least 20 minutes.

Be sure to give the people a wave in the Ryanair flight that will likely be on time.

EI have significantly superior on time performance at Dublin than FR.

Chris_5339762

Tenger wrote: »

Past experience would indicate that the shamrocks can have as many problems as the harps.

Yup, but the Shamrocks are quiet at the moment, whereas all hell appears about to break loose at the Harps.

bigar wrote: »

Every (and I mean every) flight I took with EI in the last 5 years had delays of at least 20 minutes.

Be sure to give the people a wave in the Ryanair flight that will likely be on time.

Recently there has either been nothing in it, or Aer Lingus have been slightly better, in my experience. All the fecking about Ryanair are doing with bags seems to be delaying things too, and all these current delays are pushing me towards Aer Lingus for the time being.


That may change in 6 months, but AL are certainly better on the Dublin - London routes at the moment, which is what I fly most. Slightly more expensive yes, but I'm happy enough with that.

Chris_5339762

Actually one other thing, Ryanair pad their flights much more, so things are often 25 - 30 minutes early and I grant that. But I find when things run late, they run very late.... the inbound flight an hour late seems much more common.

Aer Lingus seem to have longer turnarounds and do slightly less flights so knock-on delays, whilst they do occur, aren't quite as horrendous as Ryanair. And you're often (not always I do admit) in a slightly nicer part of the airport to wait!!!

Locker10a

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Actually one other thing, Ryanair pad their flights much more, so things are often 25 - 30 minutes early and I grant that. But I find when things run late, they run very late.... the inbound flight an hour late seems much more common.

Aer Lingus seem to have longer turnarounds and do slightly less flights so knock-on delays, whilst they do occur, aren't quite as horrendous as Ryanair. And you're often (not always I do admit) in a slightly nicer part of the airport to wait!!!

Yeah I find it mad, and ridiculous that some Dublin to Gatwick sectors with Ryanair have a block time 20-25 mins longer than Aer Lingus when it’s literally the exact same route!!

Noxegon

L1011 wrote: »

EI have significantly superior on time performance at Dublin than FR.

My experience has been the opposite. Perhaps I’ve been unlucky in my choice of flights.

Locker10a

Noxegon wrote: »

L1011 wrote: »

EI have significantly superior on time performance at Dublin than FR.

My experience has been the opposite. Perhaps I’ve been unlucky in my choice of flights.

Yeah I think officially in Ireland or Dublin EI are in the lead for OTP, it certainly were up to this summer season, it’s unclear how that’s all going so far

893bet

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How would any other airline deal with network congestion, a lightning strike on an airports fuel supply system and the resultant mayhem any differently ?

Zero communication regarding our bags during the delay. I understand that Ryanair being the furthest from the baggage collection terminal, pay the least and are lowest priority I guess then.

JCX BXC

893bet wrote: »

Zero communication regarding our bags during the delay. I understand that Ryanair being the furthest from the baggage collection terminal, pay the least and are lowest priority I guess then.

You must also consider that the crew themselves may not have had a clue! It was mayhem in Stansted that day, I'm not sure anyone knew what they were doing!

circular flexing

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1004860930713358337

Chris_5339762

Ryanair Dublin - Bologna FR7169, delayed 3 hours tonight. Incoming flight on time. Not sure what happened, was it connected to these issues we're seeing this summer?

Stevek101

Both Italy and France on strike this weekend, it appears to not just be Ryanair suffering. Although there has been a large number of cancelled flights again the week.

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27 cancellations today already.

76 yesterday.

79 on Saturday.

187 on Friday...

L1011

My flight today is currently showing 5.5 hours delay. As it's nearly two hours before scheduled pushback still I expect that to lengthen

edit: they're blaming Spanish ATC "capacity issues", which should affect nearly every flight here (Porto) as basically only TATL and Domestic could avoid Spanish airspace at some point.

There ARE rolling delays here... of 10-20mins. One VY flight may be 90mins.

trellheim

Are crews being sent on likely delay rotations with enough hours to cope ? Do the systems cope with this kind of thing at short notice

e.g. if you're off to Madrid and you know it'll likely be a 2 hour delay , do you send a crew with 4 hours scope . Probably not explaining this in the best way possible am i ?

basill

edit: they're blaming Spanish ATC "capacity issues", which should affect nearly every flight here (Porto) as basically only TATL and Domestic could avoid Spanish airspace at some point.

They wouldn't be telling porkies now would they? A check of the AL flight status web showed the early Faro, Barcelona and Madrid flights all running on time or early. All operate through the Spanish sectors.

trellheim

Current 2018 timetable is at

https://www.dublinairport.com/docs/default-source/Flight-Information-Documents/daa-summer-timetable-2018_v5.pdf?sfvrsn=4

if you search for budapest you should find what you need

L1011

basill wrote: »

They wouldn't be telling porkies now would they? A check of the AL flight status web showed the early Faro, Barcelona and Madrid flights all running on time or early. All operate through the Spanish sectors.

I'm screenshotting the airport departures list every half hour or so as I expect a fight over 261.

The FR flights from here to Brussels, London, Paris etc are leaving within 20mins of sked and all operate through Spanish airspace. OPO-DUB probably has the shortest time in Spanish ATC of the lot!

Tenger

basill wrote: »

They wouldn't be telling porkies now would they? A check of the AL flight status web showed the early Faro, Barcelona and Madrid flights all running on time or early. All operate through the Spanish sectors.

Isnt there something about EI being able to operate thru Oceanic airspace but that Ryanair cant?

L1011

Tenger wrote: »

Isnt there something about EI being able to operate thru Oceanic airspace but that Ryanair cant?

They're getting to London fine.

Looks like an entire frame is out today as a later flight is cancelled entirely

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Tenger wrote:

Isnt there something about EI being able to operate thru Oceanic airspace but that Ryanair cant?

Ryanair operate oceanic routes too. Canaries, Lisbon, Faro etc.

basill

Isnt there something about EI being able to operate thru Oceanic airspace but that Ryanair cant?

Those were the old days. Very few of the FR aircraft had HF radios fitted. Nowadays the Tango routes are approved for them.

Locker10a

mikemac2 wrote: »

Flew Hamburg Dublin this morning

Bused to the plane but we were all boarded 10 minutes before the expected flight start time so things running like a dream

Then we went nowhere and 10 minutes after our expected start time another crew of pilots and cabin staff in their uniforms and hi vis got on. Must be getting a lift to Dublin and they found whatever spare seats they could get

However 10 minutes after that the captain said we had missed our slot to take off and we would have to wait 20 minutes but they had requested the next available and we expect to leave in 5-10 minutes

In the end our 10:15 departure took off at 10:50

It was pure needless, everyone was on and we were set to go. I've been in many delays sure we all have but I was never delayed by another crew, oh well

I wouldn’t even consider that a delay to be honest, you left 35 mins after the scheduled departure, that kind of time would be built into the block time of most flights anyway

Pat Dunne

mikemac2 wrote: »

Flew Hamburg Dublin this morning

Bused to the plane but we were all boarded 10 minutes before the expected flight start time so things running like a dream

Then we went nowhere and 10 minutes after our expected start time another crew of pilots and cabin staff in their uniforms and hi vis got on. Must be getting a lift to Dublin and they found whatever spare seats they could get

However 10 minutes after that the captain said we had missed our slot to take off and we would have to wait 20 minutes but they had requested the next available and we expect to leave in 5-10 minutes

In the end our 10:15 departure took off at 10:50

It was pure needless, everyone was on and we were set to go. I've been in many delays sure we all have but I was never delayed by another crew, oh well

Fair enough, but were you late on arrival?
Did they play the God awful bloody music?

trellheim

not a CTOT breach ? Sounds like a CTOT miss and back into the pot

Stevek101

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27 cancellations today already.

76 yesterday.

79 on Saturday.

187 on Friday...

Those figures also include LaudaMotion flights which there are alot of. 12 today for example.

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Stevek101 wrote:

Those figures also include LaudaMotion flights which there are alot of. 12 today for example.

There have been 588 Ryanair flights cancelled since June 1st!!

54 of those were LaudaMotion flights operated by Ryanair crew and using their aircraft.

Minister

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There have been 588 Ryanair flights cancelled since June 1st!!

54 of those were LaudaMotion flights operated by Ryanair crew and using their aircraft.

Out of pure interest.......anywhere to link to that info? Not doubting - just interested. Thanks.

Comhrá

FR 1182 SNN - LGW departed nearly 2 hrs. late this evening.

Blut2

Is this likely to just get worse and worse as the summer goes on and more of their pilots use up their hours allowance? Or do Ryanair have anything in the works to help mitigate the problem - big batches of new hires or anything?

L1011

5h44 total delay admitted by FR - seems about right and not something that requires checking exactly as its well over the 261 level and well under what my travel insurance starts paying out for (8h)

The email says the details are for travel insurance claims and never mentions 261!

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Minister wrote: »

Out of pure interest.......anywhere to link to that info? Not doubting - just interested. Thanks.

https://www.cloud.scorebuddy.co.uk/ryanair-services/cancellations.php?date=2018-06-11

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Blut2 wrote: »

Is this likely to just get worse and worse as the summer goes on and more of their pilots use up their hours allowance? Or do Ryanair have anything in the works to help mitigate the problem - big batches of new hires or anything?

It'll get worse.

Ryanair are hemorrhaging staff.
They can't retain Captains and despite their attempts to recruit experienced Captains from Brazil, South Africa and the Middle East the shortage is only going to continue.

Management have failed to address their employees concerns and so staff continue to leave for better treatment.

It seems MOL is unable to change his management style. He's incapable of seeing his staff as important assets, rather he views them as an unnecessary financial burden.
But what else would you expect from an accountant!

sonyvision

Due take off from Rome at 21:00 on Sunday back to Dublin. Boarded at approx 21:40 only to be told due to the strike in France air traffic was restricted and our time slot was another 1 hours and 30 minutes away. Full plan, ready to go but no joy. About 23:00 local time we finally took off arrived in Dublin 2 hours late about 1:15am.

Happy to be home but didn't enjoy the 7am wake up for work. Poor couple behind us needed a bis back to Limerick missed the last 1 and I think the said the next 1 was at 06:30am...

naughtysmurf

Also Dublin/Rome last week, delayed out of DUB T1 on June 4 by more than an hour, same on return out of CIA on June 9, don't know if it was solely down to delays but Ciampino isn't fit for purpose, it was dangerously rammed with Ryan Air customers queuing at the gates for various flights, first time ever delayed on Ryan Air, twice in the one week was annoying

I've one other Ryanair flight later in the year, will be p1ssed of if delayed as could have taken later flight home with AL & had extra beach time, we are flying out with AL

marno21

FR908 STN-ORK just departed Stansted at 02:05, was originally to depart at 16:50