Mallow Rd new speed limit

TheDriver

I see months of work starting on mallow Road and new limit of 60. However I spotted speed vans today on road inside this new limit. So is it easy catches or are they still looking for 100+?

johncmurphy

Prob shooting fish in a barrel. Only reason I noticed the change is I saw one of the road workers change the sign the other day

bot43

What section of road?

TheDriver

From blarney business park til rathduff, its a long section.

chalkitdown1

This temporary I assume, only while they do whatever roadworks they're at? That's a REALLY long section to be going at such a slow speed.

What are they actually doing, by the way? It looks like they've been doing nothing but put down and take up cones for the last 5 days. I saw a worker this morning on my way to Mallow sat down on the grass with his back to one of the new signs, looks like he was taking a nap.

CianDon

I saw the signs going up on Sunday so I stayed pinned to the 60 km/h this morning. Had plenty of flashes from cars behind and a few angry beeps on the climbing lanes. I have no sympathy for anyone caught by a speed van on that road now as on top of the regular speed signs, there are about 4/5 orange signs announcing the new limit

the beer revolu

CianDon wrote: »

I saw the signs going up on Sunday so I stayed pinned to the 60 km/h this morning. Had plenty of flashes from cars behind and a few angry beeps on the climbing lanes.

Were you out in the overtaking lane when people were getting angry with you?
Overtaking someone going less than 60km/h, I assume?

Markcheese

Yeah, saw lads "moving cones" on Friday evening.... After sitting in stopped traffic for ages..
To be fair I think they were surveying, getting levels ect... Which I wouldn't do on a road like that without the traffic being stopped..

Sonics2k

Maybe they're finally going to get rid of those stupidly dangerous bars and metal ropes down the middle of the road.

Stupid feckin design and insanely unsafe too.

the beer revolu

Sonics2k wrote: »

Maybe they're finally going to get rid of those stupidly dangerous bars and metal ropes down the middle of the road.

Stupid feckin design and insanely unsafe too.

You're a biker, I take it?

grogi

Sonics2k wrote: »

Maybe they're finally going to get rid of those stupidly dangerous bars and metal ropes down the middle of the road.

Stupid feckin design and insanely unsafe too.

They are not stupid...

If they seem dangerous, people tend to drive slower.

Sonics2k

the beer revolu wrote: »

You're a biker, I take it?

I am indeed, and not one at all for driving very fast. But one bad slip along there, especially in bad weather and it will absolutely not end well.

grogi wrote: »

They are not stupid...

If they seem dangerous, people tend to drive slower.

A Garda was already nearly killed along there thanks to those ropes

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/garda-seriously-injured-after-patrol-11291803

A number of motorcyclists in Cork have been saying how dangerous that roping can be if a biker hits off of it.

It does nothing at all to deter speeding along there. Just last Sunday driving along there in my car some gob****e in a BMW SUV was trying to overtake me along the single lane part as I was doing 100km/h.

AugustusMinimus

grogi wrote: »

They are not stupid...

If they seem dangerous, people tend to drive slower.

Those cheese wires are insanely dangerous and are there as they are much cheaper than concrete.

They shouldn’t be allowed anywhere.

CianDon

the beer revolu wrote: »

Were you out in the overtaking lane when people were getting angry with you?
Overtaking someone going less than 60km/h, I assume?

No, as I'm not an ignorant prick. I stayed at the 60 limit along the single lane stretches, and kindly moved out of the way during the two lane section to receive abuse. Most forget how often the speed vans sit right around the corner from where most of these climbing lanes end. People can be awful drivers on that road. I take the same approach sticking at the 100 km/hr and got undertaken last week on the single lane part by a Silver Passat

marno21

This reduced speedlimit is for the N20 Ballygibbon to Ballymartin Pavement scheme.

https://www.corkcoco.ie/news/public-notice-road-works-speed-limit

Remains to be seen how long it will go on for. It should be possible to maintain two lanes without a stop/go system.

clio_16v

That road needs a serious rethink. People treat it like a motorway but there's junctions with people pulling out at 10mph. Must be the worst road in Cork for accidents

Sabre Man

marno21 wrote: »

This reduced speedlimit is for the N20 Ballygibbon to Ballymartin Pavement scheme.

https://www.corkcoco.ie/news/public-notice-road-works-speed-limit

Remains to be seen how long it will go on for. It should be possible to maintain two lanes without a stop/go system.

They're operating a stop and go system at the moment.

It's ridiculous that the limit is 60 for such a long stretch of road. Why can't they complete one section at a time?

chalkitdown1

I don't understand why the new limit continues from the works almost all the way into the city. There's literally nothing going on past the small stretch where they're working at the moment.

Not that anyone seems to be obeying the new speed limit beyond that section anyway....

chalkitdown1

So they appear to have finished the works last week but left all the 60 speed limit signs up even though the road is completely done, resurfaced, painted and everything. Very strange.

Does anyone know if they're permanently blocking off the Waterloo junction? Seems to be that way, anyway.

TheDriver

It was mentioned in some media that council are considering leaving it closed

BillJ

Looks like all the roadworks are done, passed today and no workers. Last night I passed a speed van going 100kmh on the overtaking lane section. Am I screwed?

Seems ridiculous to have 60kmh on that section with no roadworks going on, and targeting people on top of it.

Also I heard Waterloo junction is staying closed.

Padraig Mor

BillJ wrote: »

Looks like all the roadworks are done, passed today and no workers. Last night I passed a speed van going 100kmh on the overtaking lane section. Am I screwed?

Seems ridiculous to have 60kmh on that section with no roadworks going on, and targeting people on top of it.

Also I heard Waterloo junction is staying closed.

Could be like the Fota Road on the way to Cobh. Limit was 80 with poor surface; they did a big resurfacing job with a temp limit of 60 - and never raised it again!:mad:

Truckermal

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Could be like the Fota Road on the way to Cobh. Limit was 80 with poor surface; they did a big resurfacing job with a temp limit of 60 - and never raised it again!:mad:

It's ok your car isn't fit for speed like the last one....:P:P

ofcork

BillJ wrote: »

Looks like all the roadworks are done, passed today and no workers. Last night I passed a speed van going 100kmh on the overtaking lane section. Am I screwed?

Seems ridiculous to have 60kmh on that section with no roadworks going on, and targeting people on top of it.

Also I heard Waterloo junction is staying closed.

Talk now seems to be it will reopen all is needed is traffic calming or lights

donal.hunt

Current status

The Waterloo junction was temporarily closed to accommodate the roadworks that have been ongoing since mid-June on the N20 between Ballymartin and Blarney. It has become clear that this was a pre-text to permanently closing the road (no other junction was closed to accommodate the works). The first anyone in the locality became aware of an extended closure was when they re-lined the road after resurfacing but omitting the junction.

In mid-August, a public consultation was announced with a view of extinguishing the right of way at the junction. The consultation period ends on 02 October and councillors in the municipal district will get to vote on the proposal. If they reject it, the council will need to re-open the road.

Details of the consultation are available here. The map is available here.

The local community (which is spread across the townlands of Whitechurch, Waterloo and Ballygibbon) are extremely unhappy with how this has played out and the impact it will have on the community. The government, council and community has actively invested considerable funds (multiple €100,000+ as I understand it) to facilities on either side of the N20 with an understanding that access would be maintained. We're now in the process of understanding the impact to community groups, sports groups, school and churches to understand if they are all still viable.

If you're local the area, we're asking people to submit observations / impact statements to the council (see the notice above) in writing (no emails) by 02 Oct. 2018. There is also the possibility to request an oral hearing where statements can be made by all parties.

There is a facebook group called "Waterloo Access Group" where updates are being posted regularly by the community committee preparing a response to the public consultation. Feel free to PM me as well.

donal.hunt

Re: the speed limit on the N20 being 60km/h for ~ 8km while works are on a faction of that

Absolutely no idea what they are playing at with the approach they have taken. You can contact the Cork National Roads office via https://www.corkrdo.ie/ with your observations. I'm currently waiting for them to provide an update of when the speed limits will revert since they forgot to include that in the original notice and all the local signage indicated 2018-08-31.

I would also encourage you to report any dangerous driving in the works zone (i.e. the whole 8km 60km/h zone) to the Gardaí (at the very least we'll attempt to FOI the number of reported incidents for the period *).

* I'm offering good odds for the number being single digits if not zero.

donal.hunt

Sabre Man wrote: »

They're operating a stop and go system at the moment.

It's ridiculous that the limit is 60 for such a long stretch of road. Why can't they complete one section at a time?

My personal suspicion was that it was easier to file one Road Works Speed Limit Order for the complete work than file multiple orders as they were needed / based on some schedule that was agreed.

It seems to completely ignore the guidance in section 4.3.1 - Speed Limits at Road Works of the Guidance for the Control and Management of Traffic at Roadworks document from DTTAS

zilog_jones

It seems crazy that they closed that junction with complete disregard for the local communities, and no consultation. I know several people in Waterloo who need to cross the the N20 to get to their local school and community centre - having to go through Blarney is a significant diversion for them.

And of course, there will be absolutely no repercussions for whatever clowns allowed this closure to go ahead.

chalkitdown1

Anyone know what on earth they're at now? The seem to be digging trenches at either side of the road along the entire run of the works and filling it with stones. I'm sure there's a reason for but I'm just not getting it.

j8wk2feszrnpao

chalkitdown1 wrote: »

Anyone know what on earth they're at now? The seem to be digging trenches at either side of the road along the entire run of the works and filling it with stones. I'm sure there's a reason for but I'm just not getting it.

Drainage of some sort?

zilog_jones

Yeah, drainage, but also tearing the árse out of it so they can maintain the "temporary" closure of the Waterloo junction while there are still "roadworks".

chalkitdown1

Praise the Lord! The temporary 60kph speed limit signs have finally been taken down! Waterloo junction remains closed, though.

TheChizler

chalkitdown1 wrote: »

Praise the Lord! The temporary 60kph speed limit signs have finally been taken down! Waterloo junction remains closed, though.

Just drove up and down today and they were still on the Mallow direction this morning, were they only removed today?

chalkitdown1

Must have been this evening sometime. They were gone at 7.30pm when I drove to Cork.

ofcork

chalkitdown1 wrote: »

Praise the Lord! The temporary 60kph speed limit signs have finally been taken down! Waterloo junction remains closed, though.

Echo said closed til end of October during the week.

chalkitdown1

Lots of workers out this morning at the Waterloo junction, something happening there, finally? Couldn't tell if they are blocking it off or removing the piles of stones to open it up again, they were just setting up the traffic cones as I drove past.

zilog_jones

They were supposed to re-open it months ago, but have been endlessly dragging their heels.

chalkitdown1

They're clearing the ditch at either side of the junction so one could assume they are making slip lanes for entry (from Cork side) & exit (towards Mallow). Why they didn't do this for every junction along this road in the first place is beyond me, some have them and some don't and the ones that don't are incredibly dangerous with nary enough space inside the shoulder to pull out of traffic before turning off (even though there's plenty room to have widened the road by a few feet)

Anyway, it'll be interesting if they'll be errecting No Right Turn signs for the opposite entry & exit. Guaranteed people will just ignore them, anyway.