Moving to a new EV

Grudaire

I have been looking into moving to EV for some time, my main criteria is range, although the majority of trips I do are only 20km commute, I would like to be able to visit family and holiday down the country too. The secondary criteria is cost - I'm not made of money unfortunately..

The way I see it there are two options; 40kw Leaf or Zoe. And I have a few questions because the Renault dealers have confused me, and I had originally written off the Leaf due to the waiting period, which I can live with.

1. Do the dealers sort out the installation of the home charging point? (One Renault dealer said they did, the second said the opposite)
2. Is a granny cable available for the Zoe? (dealers advised not, but ideally would be able to charge overnight when down with family)
3. Just to confirm that the Leaf does come with a granny cable too!?

Any other comments which could sway me either way (or to another car) do shout. I am looking for an EV (one car family), largely for environmental reasons, and am comfortable that a 40kw will more than meet my needs if I have a granny cable.

Apologies if these have been answered elsewhere - so many threads!

Shefwedfan

Budget is the main question, I know you say you are limited but without this information it is limited on what people can advise, could you give high level view of budget? do you have a current car? trading in? an old banger which you could use for trade in?

1. Do the dealers sort out the installation of the home charging point? (One Renault dealer said they did, the second said the opposite)

Maybe they can arrange but expect them to take a cut. You can buy charger yourself and get installed or a number of dealers provide.



2. Is a granny cable available for the Zoe? (dealers advised not, but ideally would be able to charge overnight when down with family)


Maybe not, most Irish cars just seem to come with either charger cable or granny cable. So you might have to buy seperate. You need to consider that in budget. A number of second hand dealers will sell. How much are Renault asking for?



3. Just to confirm that the Leaf does come with a granny cable too!?


As above, the Leaf doesn't. The eGolf does as far as I know.....

Grudaire

Thanks,

Budget is basically I can afford the Zoe, paying it off over a few years.

First Renault dealer said the charger was in the overall price, second said it wasn't something that they do (same exact price)
How much does charger installation cost?

Re granny cable, first dealer pointed me to online third parties, Renault apparently no longer offer this..
second dealer said it needs a custom component in the vehicle which takes around 6 months to order from the factory (which sounded like outrageous bull****)
Did not ask Nissan

_dof_

Shefwedfan wrote: »

3. Just to confirm that the Leaf does come with a granny cable too!?


As above, the Leaf doesn't. The eGolf does as far as I know.....

The 40kWh Leaf does come with a granny cable as standard, along with a regular type 2 cable for charging from the slow public charge points, from which it will charge at 6.6kW

Shefwedfan

_dof_ wrote: »

The 40kWh Leaf does come with a granny cable as standard, along with a regular type 2 cable for charging from the slow public charge points, from which it will charge at 6.6kW

That’s brilliant, it used to be just one cable

_dof_

Yep, there's a little netting behind the wheel arch in the boot on either side. The granny cable goes into the area behind one net and the type 2 cable goes into the other.

The type 2 cable is 5m I think, and it's quite thick since it's a 32A cable. I find it a bit too long, since I always park nose into the SCPs so the charge port on the car is very close to the charger, so a 2m cable would be plenty for those cases probably.

Grudaire

_dof_ wrote: »

The 40kWh Leaf does come with a granny cable as standard, along with a regular type 2 cable for charging from the slow public charge points, from which it will charge at 6.6kW

I thought I had read that alright - that's a good plus for the leaf - saves the cost, and hassle /risk of sourcing a separate cable

_dof_

Got my first #rapidgate at the weekend too. I went from the midlands to Dublin. Started out at 73%, went at 120 GPS (which is 122 indicated) a lot of the way and that was eating into battery capacity at a huge rate, so I slowed down to leafspeed (100) for the final 1/3. Arrived at destination in Dublin with 15% or thereabouts.

I stopped at the Chademo-only rapid in Glasnevin and charged up to 80%, didn't monitor the speed I went for a walk around the cemetery instead.

I monitored the charge level using the app, but anyway I had used the very useful "with options" charging that those Chademo-only chargers offer, not sure if the triple headed FCPs offer that feature. That allows the user to choose to charge for a set time, or to a set % charge, and the charge would stop automatically, so another user could use the charger

I had set it to stop charging at 80%. As it happens, I arrived back just as it reached 80% anyway, around half hour later.

The battery was at 48.x degrees at that point according to Leafspy. I drove back to the Kilbeggan fast charger at approx 100kph. Battery had dropped to around 47 degrees at that point, and around 28% battery if I recall correctly.

Didn't need the charge, but decided to fast charge it, just to see what speed I'd get and it was 19kW-20kW. So, I disconnected after 5 minutes.

Lessons: On a longer journey, keep to 100kph max. Avoid multiple rapids, #rapidgate is real, especially with the warmer ambient temps of mid 20 degrees

Grudaire

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Budget is the main question, I know you say you are limited but without this information it is limited on what people can advise, could you give high level view of budget? do you have a current car? trading in? an old banger which you could use for trade in?

(sorry just reading over the thread)

I have an old Ford focus im hoping to trade in when getting the car

ted1

“The secondary criteria is cost - I'm not made of money unfortunately.”

So why not by a second hand car ?

ELM327

There are other EVs out there.
Ioniq, egolf, i3.
All of which are vastly superior cars to the Zoe, and are imho a lot better cars than the new leaf too. Read the above post about Rapidgate.

Springwell

Zoe can be used with a granny cable without any alterations - I purchased one from Electric Autos and used it while waiting for my home charger install, no issues and handy to have for the odd time it's needed travelling or staying somewhere else etc

Shefwedfan

Grudaire wrote: »

(sorry just reading over the thread)

I have an old Ford focus im hoping to trade in when getting the car

I would check with VW and see if they will trade it in under the Ecogrant.

The eGolf would work out similar money to Leaf.

I know I am a fan of eGolf but I don't think anyone here would say the Leaf 2 is better or even close to it. Even the range on the eGolf has been shown to be better to Leaf 2

I would start at eGolf and work from their....

Shefwedfan

Quick update, if you are thinking about eGolf better get in quick, seemingly they are shutting down manufacturing.....going to wait for the ID to replace them....

Zenith74

Somebody else above mentioned secondhand, think you should really consider it. Much of the fear around battery life of the likes of the 24kwh Leaf is from much hotter climates, in the Irish/UK weather you'll come across plenty with 75-100,000km on the clock and 12 battery SOH lights. You can get a very low mileage immaculate high-spec (Tekna) 2014/2015 Leaf 24kwh in the UK for €12-13k.

Also, when you say 'down the country' how far away are you talking? I bought a 24kwh Leaf a few weeks ago and assumed I would only use it for my 30km commute and keep the wife's ICE for longer journeys, but for the craic we took the Leaf Dublin->Cork recently - turned out great! OK so you really need to drive at 100km/h (only adds 20-25 mins on the trip to Cork) to make the most of your efficiency and you need to stop to charge for one full charge (30-40 mins, great time for lunch/dinner at Midway) and one short one (15 mins, great time for an icecream/coffee/bathroom-break) on this journey, so it takes 60-90 minutes longer to get there, but having not caned it down the road and having a couple of breaks you arrive unstressed compared to my previous drives down in an ICE...

So if you're talking about a couple of hundred kilometer trips once a month or so, I'd strongly consider a secondhand 24kwh Leaf. They've been slowly recovering their secondhand value in the last 6-9 months, so tbh if you bought one at a fair price and didn't like it, you could probably sell it in 6 months for what you bought it at...

goz83

Zenith74 wrote: »

Somebody else above mentioned secondhand, think you should really consider it. Much of the fear around battery life of the likes of the 24kwh Leaf is from much hotter climates, in the Irish/UK weather you'll come across plenty with 75-100,000km on the clock and 12 battery SOH lights. You can get a very low mileage immaculate high-spec (Tekna) 2014/2015 Leaf 24kwh in the UK for €12-3k.

Also, when you say 'down the country' how far away are you talking? I bought a 24kwh Leaf a few weeks ago and assumed I would only use it for my 30km commute and keep the wife's ICE for longer journeys, but for the craic we took the Leaf Dublin->Cork recently - turned out great! OK so you really need to drive at 100km/h (only adds 20-25 mins on the trip to Cork) to make the most of your efficiency and you need to stop to charge for one full charge (30-40 mins, great time for lunch/dinner at Midway) and one short one on this journey (15 mins, great time for an icecream/coffee/bathroom-break), so it takes 60-90 minutes longer to get there, but having not caned it down the road and having a couple of breaks you arrive unstressed compared to my previous drives down...

So if you're talking about a couple of hundred kilometer trips once a month or so, I'd strongly consider a secondhand 24kwh Leaf. They've been slowly recovering their secondhand value in the last 6-9 months, so tbh if you bought one at a fair price and didn't like it, you could probably sell it in 6 months for what you bought it at...

This + 100

I cannot stress (pun intended) how much more relaxed I am after doping a longer journey in the L24. Taking it easy at real 80-100 speeds and taking breaks along the way is much better. I wouldn't want to do it every week, but the occasional long journey is welcome. My back does need a stretch every 30-40 mins anyway after being in the car. Being forced to stop and charge is exactly what I need.....otherwise I would just soldier on and pay for it later.

Grudaire

Zenith74 wrote: »

Somebody else above mentioned secondhand, think you should really consider it. Much of the fear around battery life of the likes of the 24kwh Leaf is from much hotter climates, in the Irish/UK weather you'll come across plenty with 75-100,000km on the clock and 12 battery SOH lights. You can get a very low mileage immaculate high-spec (Tekna) 2014/2015 Leaf 24kwh in the UK for €12-13k.

Also, when you say 'down the country' how far away are you talking? I bought a 24kwh Leaf a few weeks ago and assumed I would only use it for my 30km commute and keep the wife's ICE for longer journeys, but for the craic we took the Leaf Dublin->Cork recently - turned out great! OK so you really need to drive at 100km/h (only adds 20-25 mins on the trip to Cork) to make the most of your efficiency and you need to stop to charge for one full charge (30-40 mins, great time for lunch/dinner at Midway) and one short one (15 mins, great time for an icecream/coffee/bathroom-break) on this journey, so it takes 60-90 minutes longer to get there, but having not caned it down the road and having a couple of breaks you arrive unstressed compared to my previous drives down in an ICE...

So if you're talking about a couple of hundred kilometer trips once a month or so, I'd strongly consider a secondhand 24kwh Leaf. They've been slowly recovering their secondhand value in the last 6-9 months, so tbh if you bought one at a fair price and didn't like it, you could probably sell it in 6 months for what you bought it at...

I do appreciate what you're saying, but 60-90mins is adding 50% journey time on to a journey to Waterford or Donegal. And potentially needing to stop on even shorter ~100k journeys. I have been eye-balling EV's for quite some time, keeping my 03 on the road until I am happy to take the leap, and the range on the 40kwh means that it is time.

Shefwedfan

Grudaire wrote: »

I do appreciate what you're saying, but 60-90mins is adding 50% journey time on to a journey to Waterford or Donegal. And potentially needing to stop on even shorter ~100k journeys. I have been eye-balling EV's for quite some time, keeping my 03 on the road until I am happy to take the leap, and the range on the 40kwh means that it is time.

A L24 would drive me nuts. I ain't saying my eGolf is brillant but I do get a good 140km out of it on motorway before I would need to recharge. Mine is the 2015 model, the newer model is longer range.....

As mentioned the L40 is ok, but the 2017 eGolf is better range and far better car. You should be able to get for similar money...check your car on website http://www.ecogrant.ie/contentv3/ so you dont need to go to VW to see what they will give you off.....more or less no negotiation on eGolf either, price is the price.

Or hold on, the Hyundai Kona 64kWh is due in next few weeks, if range is everything then you will need to have a look.....

Soarer

Shefwedfan wrote: »

As mentioned the L40 is ok, but the 2017 eGolf is better range and far better car.

What are the ranges of both the L40 and the 2017 eGolf?

kennethsmyth

Shefwedfan wrote: »

A L24 would drive me nuts. I ain't saying my eGolf is brillant but I do get a good 140km out of it on motorway before I would need to recharge. Mine is the 2015 model, the newer model is longer range.....

As mentioned the L40 is ok, but the 2017 eGolf is better range and far better car. You should be able to get for similar money...check your car on website http://www.ecogrant.ie/contentv3/ so you dont need to go to VW to see what they will give you off.....more or less no negotiation on eGolf either, price is the price.

Or hold on, the Hyundai Kona 64kWh is due in next few weeks, if range is everything then you will need to have a look.....

Real world range on L40 leaf is 240kms, eGolf 200kms so not sure your statement is correct. eGolf is also more expensive.

Kona is a good option but dont see it going for less than 35k and also lead times are going to be long.

Grudaire

kennethsmyth wrote: »

Real world range on L40 leaf is 240kms, eGolf 200kms so not sure your statement is correct. eGolf is also more expensive.

Kona is a good option but dont see it going for less than 35k and also lead times are going to be long.

Well the rated capacity of the egolf seems to be 35.8kwh, vs 40kwh on the leaf and Zoe.

Based on just calling a VW dealer, the grants will bring the car down to ~€36k (incl granny cable, but before optionals), which is still a lot more expensive than the Leaf or Zoe which come in around €27k after trade-in.

I am not seeing the attraction of the egolf based on the above

Shefwedfan

Grudaire wrote: »

Well the rated capacity of the egolf seems to be 35.8kwh, vs 40kwh on the leaf and Zoe.

Based on just calling a VW dealer, the grants will bring the car down to ~€36k (incl granny cable, but before optionals), which is still a lot more expensive than the Leaf or Zoe which come in around €27k after trade-in.

I am not seeing the attraction of the egolf based on the above

Up to 4k on trade in so it brings it down to 32k

Take both for a spin and you will notice the difference

P.S. The Ioniq has a 28kWh battery, loads of tests done and over a long distance it wins each time, even against the eGolf.

It is not the battery size on some cars, it is what the car does with the battery.

Shefwedfan

kennethsmyth wrote: »

Real world range on L40 leaf is 240kms, eGolf 200kms so not sure your statement is correct. eGolf is also more expensive.

Kona is a good option but dont see it going for less than 35k and also lead times are going to be long.

Not sure how you got those numbers

My eGolf is rated at 190km range and it is old model. At the moment I get 160km out of it per charge with good weather. It has 26kWh battery

The new eGolf is running at 240km no problem. It has rated range of 300km.

Check on the IEVOA facebook page and a number of eGolf are all publishing their numbers. Real World everyone in around 13-14kWh per 100km.

So that would put it at around 240km

Not me but a eGolf 2017 user: half hour of city driving and then Cork to Charleville driving at speed limit - not driving particularly careful - just with ACControl switched on - keeping up with traffic. 272 km range is achievable most days in these temperatures on normal driving without any motorway driving.

Soarer

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Not sure how you got those numbers

My eGolf is rated at 190km range and it is old model. At the moment I get 160km out of it per charge with good weather. It has 26kWh battery

The new eGolf is running at 240km no problem. It has rated range of 300km.

Check on the IEVOA facebook page and a number of eGolf are all publishing their numbers. Real World everyone in around 13-14kWh per 100km.

So that would put it at around 300km.

Not me but a eGolf 2017 user: half hour of city driving and then Cork to Charleville driving at speed limit - not driving particularly careful - just with ACControl switched on - keeping up with traffic. 272 km range is achievable most days in these temperatures on normal driving without any motorway driving.

So what you're saying is the new eGolf is the first car ever to achieve the manufacturer's quoted range/mpg?
And it's a Volkswagen?

kennethsmyth

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Not sure how you got those numbers

My eGolf is rated at 190km range and it is old model. At the moment I get 160km out of it per charge with good weather. It has 26kWh battery

The new eGolf is running at 240km no problem. It has rated range of 300km.

Check on the IEVOA facebook page and a number of eGolf are all publishing their numbers. Real World everyone in around 13-14kWh per 100km.

So that would put it at around 300km.

Battery is smaller 35.8kwh, VW are stating 200kms per EPA which is much closer to real world (L40 240kms EPA)

If you are driving in slower traffic the egolf gets better so does the leaf.

The 4k trade in is also for the leaf if the old car has some worth.

eGolf is still a golf, sorry but boring and overpriced for any of the good option stuff.

kennethsmyth

eGolf EPA is 125miles/200kms
0-60 = 9.6secs

Leaf EPA is 150miles/240kms
0-60 = 7.9secs

Zenith74

Grudaire wrote: »

I do appreciate what you're saying, but 60-90mins is adding 50% journey time on to a journey to Waterford or Donegal. And potentially needing to stop on even shorter ~100k journeys. I have been eye-balling EV's for quite some time, keeping my 03 on the road until I am happy to take the leap, and the range on the 40kwh means that it is time.

Fair enough!

I was actually in a fairly similar position to be honest, and was planning to save for another year or two and try to stretch to a second-hand Tesla or possibly get a 40kwh Leaf. Just out of curiosity, I did a test drive of a 24kwh Leaf SVE (Tekna) with the leather, heated seats all around, heated steering wheel, GPS, 360 degree cameras etc. and then saw that I could buy one with 20,000 kilometers (so practically new!) for maybe €12k. Bought one two weeks later. Figured I would try it out for a year and see how I get on, could always sell it and still go for a 40kwh then, or better yet go for the promised 60kwh. Aiming not to buy new as to-date the Leafs lose more-than-average value in the first 2-3 years.

Regarding the other comments on quality/cost of the Leaf vs eGolf etc. This certainly would have been my assumption about Nissans before going and test driving an SVE/Tekna Leaf. I was super impressed by the car, the weight of the batteries makes it feel like a much sturdier car on the road, and all the gadgets/trim in the Tekna are great compared to your typical car. FWIW I've spent lots of time in Golfs in the past, and was trading in a high-spec BMW, so I wasn't comparing to a 1993 Fiat 500 . As for price, you can get into an immaculate high-spec low-mileage Leaf for maybe €10k, cheapest secondhand eGolf I can find is €30k.

Shefwedfan

Soarer wrote: »

So what you're saying is the new eGolf is the first car ever to achieve the manufacturer's quoted range/mpg?
And it's a Volkswagen?

I didn't say it would reach 300km. I quoted what the rating was

Then I gave Real World examples. 4-5 different eGolf, mixture of 2015 and 2017 are all doing 13-14kWh per 100km. That would be circa 240km.....

Edit, sorry typo, I didn;t mean to quote 300km....had it on brain....240km would be number

Shefwedfan

kennethsmyth wrote: »

Battery is smaller 35.8kwh, VW are stating 200kms per EPA which is much closer to real world (L40 240kms EPA)

If you are driving in slower traffic the egolf gets better so does the leaf.

The 4k trade in is also for the leaf if the old car has some worth.

eGolf is still a golf, sorry but boring and overpriced for any of the good option stuff.

I didn't realise you started the thread.....

kennethsmyth

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I didn't say it would reach 300km. I quoted what the rating was

Then I gave Real World examples. 4-5 different eGolf, mixture of 2015 and 2017 are all doing 13-14kWh per 100km. That would be circa 240km.....

You won't get that consistently enough to get the 240kms unless you complete the ev version of hypermiling. What is the usable portion of the battery the full 35.8 or 2kwh less.

Nedc is 300kms for golf 385kms for leaf.

All the stats show the golf will not go further than the leaf, the leaf has other issues which we all would prefer it didnt but I dont believe it overshadows the fact the leaf is probably the best value for range and money.

Shefwedfan

kennethsmyth wrote: »

eGolf EPA is 125miles/200kms
0-60 = 9.6secs

Leaf EPA is 150miles/240kms
0-60 = 7.9secs

As I mentioned, Real World number for Golf

So far the Leaf has shown to have higer depreciation to the eGolf, #rapidgate will kill second hand price. If they do release a new model next year that will put final nail in coffin.

The batteries on the Leaf are showing high degradation. 2015 eGolf with over 80,000km is still at 96%, the same as when it left plant. VW seemingly "padded" the batteries so they dont lose range. Same cannot be said of the Leaf.

Nobody knows how #rapidgate will affect the batteries.

Not a car I would invest in.

Personally I am waiting for the Kia Niro 64kWh or the Hyundai Kona 64kWh.

I was just giving options to the OP....

Shefwedfan

kennethsmyth wrote: »

You won't get that consistently enough to get the 240kms unless you complete the ev version of hypermiling. What is the usable portion of the battery the full 35.8 or 2kwh less.

Nedc is 300kms for golf 385kms for leaf.

All the stats show the golf will not go further than the leaf, the leaf has other issues which we all would prefer it didnt but I dont believe it overshadows the fact the leaf is probably the best value for range and money.

Sorry but you are completely incorrect....the eGolf will do 240km without any issue.

The Hyundai is doing over 200km on a 28kWh battery.

There is a lot of issues with the Leaf, none of which they have managed to resolve across 3 models now(5 if you count the ENV200).

Maybe the 2019 will be better

goz83

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Sorry but you are completely incorrect....the eGolf will do 240km without any issue.

The Hyundai is doing over 200km on a 28kWh battery.

There is a lot of issues with the Leaf, none of which they have managed to resolve across 3 models now(5 if you count the ENV200).

Maybe the 2019 will be better

In your opinion, why are people choosing the Leaf over the eGolf? As you have pointed out in this thread...there is very little difference cost-wise. So why is the Leaf so much more popular?

Shefwedfan

goz83 wrote: »

In your opinion, why are people choosing the Leaf over the eGolf? As you have pointed out in this thread...there is very little difference cost-wise. So why is the Leaf so much more popular?

Well the main issue is the dealers. No idea how many VW dealers are in Ireland but only 2 of them are selling them and maybe 3 will service.

No advertisement from VW......Example: go onto the VW webpage in Ireland, go to Models, near the top is the Golf's....where is eGolf? down the very bottom....small things like that.....

I rang around insurance companies recently, every single insurance company had no idea an eGolf existed. At least 2 of the guys on phone spent 5 mins quizzing me about it. They thought it was brillant idea.

Finally, no supply....so even if I go into VW today and demand an eGolf, they might get supply if something already in pipeline, or they used to be able to order and maybe get in 6-12 months. Now I guess they won't even be able to do that.....

If VW decided tomorrow to push the eGolf out to market, put advertisementt together, offered to each person testing a petrol/diesel a test in eGolf they would sell a lot of cars. But they have decided to push the ID range and that is that.....

For a car that was never advertised or pushed by the dealers it is a big seller in Europe and they can't keep in stock in the US....people buy over phone and then fly in to collect...they do this because VW don't offer in every state in US.....

goz83

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Well the main issue is the dealers. No idea how many VW dealers are in Ireland but only 2 of them are selling them and maybe 3 will service.

No advertisement from VW......Example: go onto the VW webpage in Ireland, go to Models, near the top is the Golf's....where is eGolf? down the very bottom....small things like that.....

I rang around insurance companies recently, every single insurance company had no idea an eGolf existed. At least 2 of the guys on phone spent 5 mins quizzing me about it. They thought it was brillant idea.

Finally, no supply....so even if I go into VW today and demand an eGolf, they might get supply if something already in pipeline, or they used to be able to order and maybe get in 6-12 months. Now I guess they won't even be able to do that.....

If VW decided tomorrow to push the eGolf out to market, put advertisementt together, offered to each person testing a petrol/diesel a test in eGolf they would sell a lot of cars. But they have decided to push the ID range and that is that.....

For a car that was never advertised or pushed by the dealers it is a big seller in Europe and they can't keep in stock in the US....people buy over phone and then fly in to collect...they do this because VW don't offer in every state in US.....

None of the dealers actively push EVs though. Some actively discourage EVs even when they have them in the showroom. The overwhelming majority of EV owners did not get their info and were not "sold" an EV by the dealership. The EV owners usually knew way more about the EV before buying....and that was after pushing through the "ah shure would ya not get yourself another diesel" line.

And anyone looking into EVs would have most likely known about the eGolf before deciding to buy a different EV.

The insurance company calls is a non issue, but I can see how that would be annoying when trying to get covered.

On the "no supply" comment. Well, don't hyundai have that issue? The Ioniq is a far more common sight than the eGolf. I haven't seen a single eGolf on the road and have seen quite a few Ioniq BEVs.

If they advertised it, then they would get more sales. I have no doubt about that. But then the same is true about any EV. Advertise it and people will buy. I don't know if, or how much Nissan advertised the Leaf here. First advert I seen/heard was the Leaf 40 and they seem to be selling very well.

ADVISORY---personal opinion

I personally think they are too expensive for what (imo) is a very average car. I know the Golf itself is a very popular car. It's the drug dealers, gangland killers and bank robbers first choice of car. I don't think VW will bring out the ID range and if they do, not in any large numbers. It's a shame because VW could do so much better on the EV front if they wanted to.

Soarer

I'd probably buy an eGolf before an L40 if they were the same price.

But the basic eGolf is more expensive than the SVE Leaf. I shudder to think what price the eGolf would go for if it was specced up like an SVE.

Shefwedfan

Soarer wrote: »

I'd probably buy an eGolf before an L40 if they were the same price.

But the basic eGolf is more expensive than the SVE Leaf. I shudder to think what price the eGolf would go for if it was specced up like an SVE.

If you went into a VW dealer to buy a Golf, would you stop off next and price a Pulsar? If you did you would expect to pay a premium for the Golf if comparing like for like on spec?

The only thing the Leaf and eGolf have in common is they are both electric cars.

The Pulsar is priced from 20-25k

The Golf is priced from 21k - 34k plus extras. So the Golf could be over 10k more expensive to the SVE Pulsar depending on your requirements.....

It's funny but I never see this argument in regards to the i3, which is not as good a car as eGolf but is more expensive(not talking REX)

Soarer

You're arguing with yourself there chief. It was you brought up the golf being similar money to the leaf, not me.

Grudaire

So based on some research elsewhere (the recent Leaf troubles, thermal management on the Zoe) I have been leaning heavily towards the Renault Zoe.

Having approached and even called into a second dealer about purchasing new (or display model) I left him with a few questions to get back to me, but he's gone totally silent (even after chasing him).

Are all dealers fecking useless, or just EV dealers? :-\

Shefwedfan

Grudaire wrote: »

So based on some research elsewhere (the recent Leaf troubles, thermal management on the Zoe) I have been leaning heavily towards the Renault Zoe.

Having approached and even called into a second dealer about purchasing new (or display model) I left him with a few questions to get back to me, but he's gone totally silent (even after chasing him).

Are all dealers fecking useless, or just EV dealers? :-\

Which dealer?

I have used one and bought 2 off him....he was excellent. Best dealer I have ever worked with

I have talked to another guy and he was very responsive about another car, I would deal with him again if buying....

Both are complete Gentlemen

Grudaire

Mind PM'ing me which dealers? I feel like I might need to move on if there's still no word next week.

Shefwedfan

Done

ewj1978

Went to Renault dealer in Cork at Christmas to enquire about the ZOE 40. I'm still waiting for his call back, considering I had a 30kw leaf and he went off to get me an exchange price.. Wonder how some of these lads sell cars at all.

Shefwedfan

ewj1978 wrote: »

Went to Renault dealer in Cork at Christmas to enquire about the ZOE 40. I'm still waiting for his call back, considering I had a 30kw leaf and he went off to get me an exchange price.. Wonder how some of these lads sell cars at all.

Main dealers have no interest in electric cars....

Ask him about a petrol/diesel and they will be all over you. Most of them have no idea so just try to stay away from subject

I did meet a Nissan guy last weekend and he knew everything, that is why I say most

micks_address

Hi folks,
Sorry to jump on the thread. I have a 2 litre diesel 172 octavia dsg and my daily commute is Lusk to Citywest and back. The discount on tolls would save me fair few quid every year. Plus fuel etc would save me a bit.
My current pcp with skoda finance is 385 per month. It's 0%
Could I get into a similar pcp deal on something like an é golf? I lm doing 25k km per year. I think year one depreciation on my car would kill me.

Grudaire

micks_address wrote: »

Hi folks,
Sorry to jump on the thread. I have a 2 litre diesel 172 octavia dsg and my daily commute is Lusk to Citywest and back. The discount on tolls would save me fair few quid every year. Plus fuel etc would save me a bit.
My current pcp with skoda finance is 385 per month. It's 0%
Could I get into a similar pcp deal on something like an é golf? I lm doing 25k km per year. I think year one depreciation on my car would kill me.

Jump away - I'm still going in circles with dealers who are basically refusing to take my money :-\

You are probably best checking with dealers/car websites for the details. e.g. the e-golf is here http://www1.volkswagen.ie/finance/ and while more expensive you should factor in the significant savings in petrol (so it's more expensive than 385, but you probably will have over 300 savings on petrol pm).

For that commute you could also look into second hand as an option. Best of luck in your EV adventure!

Calahonda52

micks_address wrote: »

Hi folks,
Sorry to jump on the thread. I have a 2 litre diesel 172 octavia dsg and my daily commute is Lusk to Citywest and back. The discount on tolls would save me fair few quid every year. Plus fuel etc would save me a bit.
My current pcp with skoda finance is 385 per month. It's 0%
Could I get into a similar pcp deal on something like an é golf? I lm doing 25k km per year. I think year one depreciation on my car would kill me.

Toll discount is capped at 500 per annumn

Shefwedfan

micks_address wrote: »

Hi folks,
Sorry to jump on the thread. I have a 2 litre diesel 172 octavia dsg and my daily commute is Lusk to Citywest and back. The discount on tolls would save me fair few quid every year. Plus fuel etc would save me a bit.
My current pcp with skoda finance is 385 per month. It's 0%
Could I get into a similar pcp deal on something like an é golf? I lm doing 25k km per year. I think year one depreciation on my car would kill me.

PCP on eGolf is not 0% while other Golfs are, it was 1.9% but that might have changed

Liffey valley or black water VW had been the only dealers but I seen a dealer in limerick advertising....ring them all. The price in book is the price. No discount. Not when I tried anyway.

Fuel would save and tolls but that is restricted to 500 quid. The dealers will sell the skoda so you would get decent deal. PCP was online with the cash you are talking about when I done a deal earlier this year but I didn’t buy

micks_address

Shefwedfan wrote: »

PCP on eGolf is not 0% while other Golfs are, it was 1.9% but that might have changed

Liffey valley or black water VW had been the only dealers but I seen a dealer in limerick advertising....ring them all. The price in book is the price. No discount. Not when I tried anyway.

Fuel would save and tolls but that is restricted to 500 quid. The dealers will sell the skoda so you would get decent deal. PCP was online with the cash you are talking about when I done a deal earlier this year but I didn’t buy

Any dealer I've talked to recently says 1 year old cars are taking a big hit in depreciation. With all the pcp deals and scrapage etc it's hard to sell a one year old car.

Shefwedfan

micks_address wrote: »

Any dealer I've talked to recently says 1 year old cars are taking a big hit in depreciation. With all the pcp deals and scrapage etc it's hard to sell a one year old car.

I have yet to meet a dealer who has told me my car is great and they will sell easy...I always get some bull***t reason why he /she can’t sell it so offer is crap

PCP is slowing as people cop on,a 1 year old car will sell no problem...you need to check what other garages are selling at

Grudaire

In case anyone's interested - I went for a 172 Zoe - delighted with it so far.

Getting well over 300km in Dublin driving (including using the M50 daily). Took her for a 180km spin down the country including motorways and nearly had a quarter tank left!