Lads borrowing gear.

mycro2013

How's it going fellas

Small bit of a problem, of late lads have being borrowing gear no hassle with that. But they proceed to just drop it back when I'm at work in bits.

How do I politely tell lads that I can no longer subsidise there business by fixing my gear which they have broken.

As the complexity of machines increases so too do the enviable repairs.

whelan2

neither a borrower nor a lender be

elperello

Just tell them that what they are looking for is busted.
Say some other lad left it back that way, no names no pack drill.
They might take the hint.

mycro2013

whelan2 wrote: »

neither a borrower nor a lender be

I know, Im contemplating just telling lads to jog on.

newholland mad

whelan2 wrote: »

neither a borrower nor a lender be

Dead right. Used to be at that carry on here and between things getting wrecked and not having your own stuff when you need it or it broke down plus if anything you borrow breaks you feel compelled to spending on fixing it even though the reverse wasn't happening, so now borrow nothing and don't lend anything. I find a big electric gate kept closed at all times is great for keeping out prospect borrower's especially the ones that don't ask.

Gawddawggonnit

whelan2 wrote: »

neither a borrower nor a lender be

....no man is an island entire of itself.

We’d be fairly well kitted here and get a lot of callers. No problem letting things out...except the sprayers and hedgecutter etc.
Rules are, if I ask for something you’d better not even hesitate. It’s rare that we’d need something tbh.

One neighbor was constantly taking kit until a few weeks ago when I wanted a tractor for a long draw for a couple of hours. He was doing something with a bull he said...now every time he asks I tell him no, because we’re doing something with a bull...

Farmers here are generally better at looking after kit because they all are mixed farms with tillage included.

Mooooo

We have two neighbours we share stuff with, one in particular there us a lot of back and forth. Simple enough if something breaks when you use it like flat tyre burst hose etc you fix it. I've the spinner and agitator he has a tanker and sprayer. We have a man working between us as well 3 days on each farm.

Gawddawggonnit

Mooooo wrote: »

We have two neighbours we share stuff with, one in particular there us a lot of back and forth. Simple enough if something breaks when you use it like flat tyre burst hose etc you fix it. I've the spinner and agitator he has a tanker and sprayer. We have a man working between us as well 3 days on each farm.

Guy took the precision planting unit and tractor Thursday afternoon. He’d 17ha of sorghum to plant.
Came back just now, immaculate. All washed, greased and blown down.
Quick spray down with a mix of oil and diesel, and into the shed ready for the next campaign.
Pleasure to give guys like that a hand.

mahoney_j

whelan2 wrote: »

neither a borrower nor a lender be

Same here I hate borrowing someone else’s stuff and vice versa

CloughCasey1

mahoney_j wrote: »

Same here I hate borrowing someone else’s stuff and vice versa

+100
It would be the first thing to break on me if i borrowed. Either i have myself or i hire it out.

blue5000

Some things I don't mind lending, others if they want a bit of kit, like an agitator I go and do it for them and they pay me by the hour or they do something for me and we settle up at the end of the year. As dawg says no man is an island.

However it is annoying having to fix something when it comes back, trailer light sockets, breakaway cables and punctured tyres spring to mind.

On the other hand though....
Before my father died he was asking me did I ever get the ring roller back. I never even knew we had a ring roller, so I can only guess that somebody weighed it in somewhere.....

cute geoge

blue5000 wrote: »

Some things I don't mind lending, others if they want a bit of kit, like an agitator I go and do it for them and they pay me by the hour or they do something for me and we settle up at the end of the year. As dawg says no man is an island.

However it is annoying having to fix something when it comes back, trailer light sockets, breakaway cables and punctured tyres spring to mind.

On the other hand though....
Before my father died he was asking me did I ever get the ring roller back. I never even knew we had a ring roller, so I can only guess that somebody weighed it in somewhere.....

He never told you who carried the ring roller so?????

anthony500_1

I had a man boring a cattle trailer off me to bring horses loose in it. He never failed to bring it back without breaking something on it. So last time it came back with tail light metal bracket bent 90deg to what it should be and light smashed, I changed the tow hitch to the eye type you would have on a tractor trailer. He called again and I didnt refuse him but he couldn't bring it behind the jeep so that was the end of that. I hate borrowing stuff, as others have said I'd only be gone out the gate and something would break on it. Lending is mending as my late uncle would say

Gawddawggonnit

blue5000 wrote: »

On the other hand though....
Before my father died he was asking me did I ever get the ring roller back. I never even knew we had a ring roller, so I can only guess that somebody weighed it in somewhere.....

Lol.
I’d a Dowdswell rotospike years ago that became obsolete when rotary harrows came in, so it was kinda idle...gave it out to a man and never saw it again. He gave it to someone else, and he gave it on to someone else etc.
Years later I was inside in a guys yard getting a price for boring a well...and there’s my rotospike! A good 50 miles from my place.
He was a genuine person and gave me €2.5k for it against the boring of the well.

Bullocks

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Lol.
I’d a Dowdswell rotospike years ago that became obsolete when rotary harrows came in, so it was kinda idle...gave it out to a man and never saw it again. He gave it to someone else, and he gave it on to someone else etc.
Years later I was inside in a guys yard getting a price for boring a well...and there’s my rotospike! A good 50 miles from my place.
He was a genuine person and gave me €2.5k for it against the boring of the well.

Speaking of rotaspikes , ours was borrowed along with the tractor a couple of weeks ago . We had to collect it when we needed the tractor , diesel tank was in the red and you would hardly see the ends of the spikes coming through all the roots they had gathered ! The old fella would give anything to anyone but that craic has turned me the opposite

Dakota Dan

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Lol.
I’d a Dowdswell rotospike years ago that became obsolete when rotary harrows came in, so it was kinda idle...gave it out to a man and never saw it again. He gave it to someone else, and he gave it on to someone else etc.
Years later I was inside in a guys yard getting a price for boring a well...and there’s my rotospike! A good 50 miles from my place.
He was a genuine person and gave me €2.5k for it against the boring of the well.

Wasn't he some cheeky tunt to give it to give it to someone else.

_Brian

Have a guy builders trailer and had awful bother getting it back.
Asked a few times and he had timber in it.

Went to his yard and it was full to the brim backed up to the shed where he split the timber.
I hooked up, moved it over beside the house and threw it all out near the back door where his wife parks all the time.

He said I was an awful cnut, but never asked again.

Flip side I borrowed a bale lifter a few years ago and of course it split when using it. I got a coded welder to do a savage job on it and brought it back. Guy was delighted with job and then proceeded to sell it to me as he didn’t really need it anyway. Been drawing bales for years with it since and not a bother. €75

twofish101

Usually do not lend or borrow stuff except to family members, gave a lend of a ifor williams trailer to a local a few years ago to bring something home, he dropped the trailer back when I was out, front lhs front tyre must have been damaged by him and tyre replaced with a cheap car tyre.

Reggie.

Uncle borrows the builders trailer here the odd time. Always comes back with a new tyre on it. Either he's very unlucky or it's shocking rough with it

Sound fella tho

anthony500_1

Reggie. wrote:

Uncle borrows the builders trailer here the odd time. Always comes back with a new tyre on it. Either he's very unlucky or it's shocking rough with it

Does it have the low profile tyres on it??? They are ment to be a disaster if not kept pumped rock hard for blowing. I meet a lad on the road regular with one, and he always seems to be 3 wheeling it, on different sides every time you meet him

Gawddawggonnit

Bullocks wrote: »

Speaking of rotaspikes , ours was borrowed along with the tractor a couple of weeks ago . We had to collect it when we needed the tractor , diesel tank was in the red and you would hardly see the ends of the spikes coming through all the roots they had gathered ! The old fella would give anything to anyone but that craic has turned me the opposite

I’d have his guts for garters...

Gawddawggonnit

twofish101 wrote: »

Usually do not lend or borrow stuff except to family members, gave a lend of a ifor williams trailer to a local a few years ago to bring something home, he dropped the trailer back when I was out, front lhs front tyre must have been damaged by him and tyre replaced with a cheap car tyre.

Give a beggarman a horse and he’ll ride him to death...

Dakota Dan

_Brian wrote: »

Have a guy builders trailer and had awful bother getting it back.
Asked a few times and he had timber in it.

Went to his yard and it was full to the brim backed up to the shed where he split the timber.
I hooked up, moved it over beside the house and threw it all out near the back door where his wife parks all the time.

He said I was an awful cnut, but never asked again.

Flip side I borrowed a bale lifter a few years ago and of course it split when using it. I got a coded welder to do a savage job on it and brought it back. Guy was delighted with job and then proceeded to sell it to me as he didn’t really need it anyway. Been drawing bales for years with it since and not a bother. €75

You should have taken the timber home for your own fire that would teach him.

Kevhog1988

I have one uncle i always borrow from or hell get something from me. Were close in age so hes more like a brother to me. Its gone to the stage that theres stuff he uses more than me that i just leave in his place. We have the understanding that i fix anything i break and he fixes anything he breaks and anything borrowed comes back brimmed.  have another uncle we borrowed the tractor to 3 years ago cos his is sitting in my yard with 5 year untaxed and uninsured. They broke the handle for the quick hitch on the ford and just dropped it back held together with a vice grips. Told him wed draw it for him anymore and hed pay the diesel rather than have stuff coming back broken.

lakill Farm

anthony500_1 wrote: »

Does it have the low profile tyres on it??? They are ment to be a disaster if not kept pumped rock hard for blowing. I meet a lad on the road regular with one, and he always seems to be 3 wheeling it, on different sides every time you meet him

ye a lot of the ifor Williams are 80/90psi

beertons

Had a lad borrow a strimmer off me before. Rang me and I at a stag in Galway saying the starter chord snapped. Well I'm away, it shouldn't cost too much to get sorted. Called round a few days later to pick it up, and it was still broken. Months later after giving him the cold shoulder, I get a text looking for it again. I said it cost me 80 to fix it, and I wasn't even offered half. He dropped 40 quid into the letter box with the next 30 minutes, and he hasn't asked for a thing since. Now it was 30 for the chord, 50 for a service, but still.

Timmaay

One neighbour gone off with my sprayer at the min. Another looking for the slurry tanker. Another looking for afew acres topped. I borrowed a sum pump off another neighbour myself yday, and going looking for a flatbed trailer soon ha. I don't think there has been one fcuk given between the lot of us, stuff gets borrowed stuff comes back, the odd breakage gets sorted. Our jobs would definitely be harder and more money spent without being able to swap back and forwards.

Sami23

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Mooooo wrote: »

We have two neighbours we share stuff with, one in particular there us a lot of back and forth. Simple enough if something breaks when you use it like flat tyre burst hose etc you fix it. I've the spinner and agitator he has a tanker and sprayer. We have a man working between us as well 3 days on each farm.

Quick spray down with a mix of oil and diesel, and into the shed ready for the next campaign.
Pleasure to give guys like that a hand.

What oil do you use to mix with the diesel and what ratio and what do you spray it on with ?

tabby aspreme

There was a borrowed 2500 gal Abbey tanker, less then a year old , turned over down the road from me recently, haven't heard how things fared out between the two lads yet.

Gawddawggonnit

Sami23 wrote: »

What oil do you use to mix with the diesel and what ratio and what do you spray it on with ?

50:50 engine oil and diesel.

For fert spreaders I use their branded products.

Pat Treacy

Neighbour when he hadn't a penny to his name was never refused anything from the yard at home, my sister died may 2017 we were only home offering his services . That was grand until after the funeral two of my nephews went home they were opening the front gate when he got out of his jeep he said to them have ye all your reminiscing done, grieving , the two lads didn't react to him the same man his son got a suspended jail sentence last year for beating up a man in his own garden denied doing it to the judge. Priest announced at the mass that the family would like to invite people back to the hotel for the meal.

Grueller

Have a neighbour that got into a lot of bother financially through no fault of his own. He was 20 when he inherited a farm with no succession planning done and no means to pay the money due. He had two options, borrow or sell a piece of land.
He told tbe boss at home one day that he was going to sell and would he be interested in 20 acres or so. The father said no way to sell as his land was all one block and would never be got back together. Young fella said he couldn't afford it. The boss told him to hang tough and buy nothing unnecessary and use our machinery as if it was his own for a few years and see. He did that, never sold and never broke one thing. When he got on his feet he stopped borrowing. Sometimes you need to take a chance on people.

Kevhog1988

Grueller wrote: »

Have a neighbour that got into a lot of bother financially through no fault of his own. He was 20 when he inherited a farm with no succession planning done and no means to pay the money due. He had two options, borrow or sell a piece of land.
He told tbe boss at home one day that he was going to sell and would he be interested in 20 acres or so. The father said no way to sell as his land was all one block and would never be got back together. Young fella said he couldn't afford it. The boss told him to hang tough and buy nothing unnecessary and use our machinery as if it was his own for a few years and see. He did that, never sold and never broke one thing. When he got on his feet he stopped borrowing. Sometimes you need to take a chance on people.

Fair play to your father. Men like him are few and far between.

Cattlepen

mycro2013 wrote: »

How's it going fellas

Small bit of a problem, of late lads have being borrowing gear no hassle with that. But they proceed to just drop it back when I'm at work in bits.

How do I politely tell lads that I can no longer subsidise there business by fixing my gear which they have broken.

As the complexity of machines increases so too do the enviable repairs.

I’m just sick of people borrowing. If I don’t have it I do without it. Would never borrow. One particular friend religiously has to make “adjustments” to my gear when he borrows it and everytime he ****s up machines in someway or another. I’ve tried telling him nicely not to change anything but everytime he can’t resist fiddling. Overtightened chains on rear discharge spreader till bearing broke, blew the head off a water pump over revving it. U would wonder what they are thinking

20silkcut

Grueller wrote: »

Have a neighbour that got into a lot of bother financially through no fault of his own. He was 20 when he inherited a farm with no succession planning done and no means to pay the money due. He had two options, borrow or sell a piece of land.
He told tbe boss at home one day that he was going to sell and would he be interested in 20 acres or so. The father said no way to sell as his land was all one block and would never be got back together. Young fella said he couldn't afford it. The boss told him to hang tough and buy nothing unnecessary and use our machinery as if it was his own for a few years and see. He did that, never sold and never broke one thing. When he got on his feet he stopped borrowing. Sometimes you need to take a chance on people.

They should put stories like this on the green cert curriculum demonstrating the true spirit in which farmers should treat each other.
Unfortunately most of the time stuff like this does not happen.

whelan2

Heard of a lad who got a lend of ten gates off a farmer when he was doing his tb test. When the farmer looked for them back yer man denied ever getting them

9935452

A farmer at home has a MF35 which a neighbour always used to borrow for powerwashing chicken houses.
The owner put a bad battery in it and told the other chap it wasnt starting.
The other chap said he would sort it for him.
The next thing the owner knew was when a bill came for a new battery from the local garage

biblio

Great thread lads, very interesting.
Reminds me of our place a few years back, lads borrowing stuff constantly, but when my brother took over he got sick of having to go looking for things back or coming back damaged and put a halt to the borrowing.

mycro2013

I'm the same here, any time I want something I to have track it down and retrieve it for my own use, a piece of equipment I purchased. I'll give any lad a chance or start as we all started somewhere but some lads take the piss.

Tis easy for lads to have fine tractors when they buy nothing for it to power.

Snowfire

Heard of a lad that was getting sick of his new builders trailer getting borrowed by numerous lads. He stuck a notice on it “for hire €40/day” problem solved.

invicta

A story about borrowing!
A man here who could break stainless steel, went to borrow a hay bob (back in the 70’s) from a boy who would mind mice at a crossroads for ya.
When asked why he refused him,he replied
“Pat ( not his real name) is as good as gold, he’d give you the shirt off his back, but if you gave yours to Pat, t’would come back torn”!
True story!!

patsy_mccabe

invicta wrote: »

A story about borrowing!
A man here who could break stainless steel, went to borrow a hay bob (back in the 70’s) from a boy who would mind mice at a crossroads for ya.
When asked why he refused him,he replied
“Pat ( not his real name) is as good as gold, he’d give you the shirt off his back, but if you gave yours to Pat, t’would come back torn”!
True story!!

....What exactly does that expression mean? Heard it recently from a Galway man, talking about his neighbour. Wasn't sure whether he meant he was reliable or just plain mean.

the_pen_turner

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

....What exactly does that expression mean? Heard it recently from a Galway man, talking about his neighbour. Wasn't sure whether he meant he was reliable or just plain mean.

im assuming that it means that he would do anything to look after your stuff. #
minding mice would be a nightmare to keep them together. especially in a location with so many options to escape.
a bit like herding cats

Reggie.

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

....What exactly does that expression mean? Heard it recently from a Galway man, talking about his neighbour. Wasn't sure whether he meant he was reliable or just plain mean.

Id be an example

invicta

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

....What exactly does that expression mean? Heard it recently from a Galway man, talking about his neighbour. Wasn't sure whether he meant he was reliable or just plain mean.

Neither, or both,!
Around here it means a careful,cute,reliable, and sometimes mean person!
To describe a really “tight” fella, they’d say “if you left him with 3 mice at a crossroads, when you’d come back he’d have 4!

I says

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

....What exactly does that expression mean? Heard it recently from a Galway man, talking about his neighbour. Wasn't sure whether he meant he was reliable or just plain mean.

A mean C U Next Tuesday

anthony500_1

patsy_mccabe wrote:

....What exactly does that expression mean? Heard it recently from a Galway man, talking about his neighbour. Wasn't sure whether he meant he was reliable or just plain mean.

Deffintly a miserable baxterd and that's coming from a galway man

patsy_mccabe

Gas the way it can have 2 meanings.

ganmo

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Gas the way it can have 2 meanings.

There’s a not too polite slag that means pretty much the direct opposite in Wexford and Monaghan.

Ya black bast**d

stantheman1979

My absolute hatred of machines comes in handy at times like these. We’ve a tractor, teleporter,spinner, small flatbed/grain trailer a cattle box and a stock trailer for the tractor. Everything else we get a contractor in. They can deal with the cost, breakages/wear and tear. If u don’t have it no one will come looking for it.

Say my name

ganmo wrote: »

There’s a not too polite slag that means pretty much the direct opposite in Wexford and Monaghan.

Ya black bast**d

Is she good looking??