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Progressive Ireland -- what's next?

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    #32
    baldbear
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    kunst nugget wrote: »
    Eh, that's why it's called a progressive tax system. The people that can afford to pay the least, pay the least and those who can afford to pay more, pay more - in theory anyway. They are still paying tax indirectly through VAT and the like.


    Saying a progressive tax system is where 36% of income earners are not paying tax is crazy. Its vote getting from the government.



    People on low incomes should pay tax even a really small amount. They are benefiting from services so should contribute.


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    #33
    jiltloop
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    amcalester wrote: »
    I can't wait for the arguments from the No side on that, I can't see how removing blasphemy from the Constitution will result in the end of society as we know it but I'm sure they'll make that claim.

    I think the Yes posters should just be placed beside the No posters and just be pictures of people pointing and laughing in the direction of the No poster.

    No words needed.


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    #34
    Kumejima
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    Looking at attractive women to become a hate crime


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    #35
    Permabear
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    #36
    Franz Von Peppercorn
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    jiltloop wrote: »
    Not only that, there should also be an investigation into how this was passed very recently without any public will. How much tax payer's money was spent on the introduction of this law, who lobbied for it (I suspect the Iona Institute was involved). It makes me genuinely angry that a nonsense law was passed under our noses without any public will but with public money spent on it.

    I think we should spend money on civics lessons.


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    #37
    Danny Donut
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    If they coould do something about the weather be grand so.


    Something a bit like South of France and we can turn the place over to vineyards and olive groves.


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    #38
    Taytoland
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    Permabear wrote: »
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    Irish women don't want their husbands, if they're bored in the bedroom, to be able to stroll down the street and buy perfectly legal sex from 19-year-old Svetlana. Which is understandable, to a point, but it also exposes the self-interest and illogic at the heart of the "women's bodily autonomy" argument.[/quote]
    It showed the argument to be a lot of nonsense. Wish they would just be honest as you outline. It's because they don't want their men running off buying fanny basically and don't want other women having control over what they do with their own body. Hypocrites.


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    #39
    Ulysses Gaze
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    Get rid of the blasphemy law, legalise and tax prostitution, legalise and start taxing drugs.


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    #40
    ancapailldorcha
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    Taytoland wrote: »
    The same women who said to trust them with their own bodies on abortion will be the same ones against escorting/prostitution. So it's not about rights or any of that, it's about ideology, controlling the narrative they want to prevail over society.

    Otherwise why aren't they marching to legalize the buying of sex between two consenting adults?

    I can understand why people are uneasy with prostitution being legalised. The demand for its legalisation isn't nearly enough for the status quo in Ireland to change, unfortunately. The abortion referendum came about after many years of campaigning for something that Roy Jenkins did in the UK 50-dd years ago.

    It's a shame because the people who suffer are the women working in the industry while the state runs up the expenses of enforcing the prohibition and the gangsters and traffickers cash in. It's even legal in Christian Democratic Germany FFS.

    Otherwise ditch the blasphemy law, legalise Cannabis, abolish the licence fee, make Irish optional in schools and move aggressively to a secular state.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #41
    Geuze
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    Permabear wrote: »
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    These already exist, for many years.

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/equality_in_work/equality_in_the_workplace.html


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    #42
    Ulysses Gaze
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    Permabear wrote: »
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    Men can do that anyway. There is little to no enforcement of the law here in Ireland.

    Anyway, websites like Seeking Arrangement are making it even easier to pay for hook ups.....


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    #43
    Franz Von Peppercorn
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    baldbear wrote: »
    Saying a progressive tax system is where 36% of income earners are not paying tax is crazy. Its vote getting from the government.

    People on low incomes should pay tax even a really small amount. They are benefiting from services so should contribute.

    You are mixing up two versions of the word progressive. One means (vaguely) liberal, democratic etc. In the tax sense it merely means that as you progress through the income tax bands you pay more.


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    #44
    Geuze
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    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    , legalise and tax prostitution.


    Prostitution was only made illegal last year.

    Well, the purchase part was made illegal.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/minister-for-justice-signs-new-laws-on-sexual-offences-1.3026288


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    #45
    Ulysses Gaze
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    Geuze wrote: »
    Prostitution was only made illegal a few years ago.

    It was never really legal though.
    And it is only illegal to purchase now.

    Feminists like Katherine Zappone pushed for that.


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    #46
    Its all alt right
    Registered Users Posts: 81 ✭✭Its all alt right


    Come down's a biatch :pac:


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    #47
    Geuze
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    super_furry wrote: »
    end direct provision.

    I agree.

    Most asylum seekers are bogus, yet we allow them to appeal over and over.

    Operation Vantage has shown that there have been hundreds of sham marriages.

    We need to close these centres, and quickly deport these bogus asylum-seekers.


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    #48
    mariaalice
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    Will we not have to invest in some counseling for all those who blame conservative repressed Irish society for their own neurosis as they will have nothing to blame anymore, the shock might be too much.


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    #49
    Geuze
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    Permabear wrote: »
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    We have state owned secondary schools, = VEC/ETB.

    Most towns have an ETB school.

    Is that enough?

    Is giving parents the choice of a state-owned school enough?


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    draiochtanois
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    Permabear
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    #52
    Taytoland
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    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    Geuze wrote: »
    Prostitution was only made illegal a few years ago.

    It was never really legal though.
    And it is only illegal to purchase now.

    Feminists like Katherine Zappone pushed for that.
    A hypocrite.


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    #53
    timaru89
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    Permabear wrote: »
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    Yes please


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    #54
    kunst nugget
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    So, really, this is just another thread to bash women?


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    ancapailldorcha
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    Permabear wrote: »
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    That's likely part of it. I'm not too bothered what labels he ascribes to himself to be honest if he is helping to make Ireland more progressive.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #56
    Rhys Essien
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    Instead of scrapping Irish in schools,they need to to fully overhaul how it is taught.Maybe only teach it two or three days a week and add a fun element to it.

    Also bring in Mindfulness classes and maybe AI/Robotics classes.


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    #57
    Shurimgreat
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    Progressive Ireland - what next?

    Let me see..

    More people on hospital trolleys.
    More Cervical Cancer victims
    More Garda Corruption
    Longer hospital waiting lists
    Higher House prices
    More children homeless
    Luas and M50 even more congested

    We are a modern progressive country alright. I'd characterize us as 3rd World in many respects.


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    #58
    Taytoland
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    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    Progressive Ireland - what next?

    Let me see..

    More people on hospital trolleys.
    More Cervical Cancer victims
    More Garda Corruption
    Longer hospital waiting lists
    Higher House prices
    More children homeless
    Luas and M50 even more congested

    We are a modern progressive country alright. I'd characterize us as 3rd World in many respects.
    The elites control the resources while throwing the crumbs (social policies) to the pheasants and they eat it up.


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    #59
    mariaalice
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    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    Progressive Ireland - what next?

    Let me see..

    More people on hospital trolleys.
    More Cervical Cancer victims
    More Garda Corruption
    Longer hospital waiting lists
    Higher House prices
    More children homeless
    Luas and M50 even more congested

    We are a modern progressive country alright. I'd characterize us as 3rd World in many respects.

    Woul you go away while its not perfect Ireland does well in world terms. Have you ever been to a third world or even developing country.


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    #60
    amcalester
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    Taytoland wrote: »
    The elites control the resources while throwing the crumbs (social policies) to the pheasants and they eat it up.

    Why wouldn't they, pheasants love crumbs.


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    #61
    weldoninhio
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    mariaalice wrote: »
    Woul you go away while its not perfect Ireland does well in world terms. Have you ever been to a third world or even developing country.

    Ma, is there anything to eat, i'm starving.

    No, but we are doing well in world terms.


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