WWDC Monday June 4th.

eeloe

So WWDC is just around the corner.

I know it's 90% software, but apple have been known to drop some hardware at these events.

From reading around online i've seen talk of the iPhone 5 SE 2, iPad X, and a smaller/cheaper HomePod(to be fair it would want to be a LOT cheaper if they plan on taking over from Amazon) also talks of them releasing the long awaited AirPower also.

On the software side, i'm looking forward to seeing what we have coming down the road with iOS12 and Watch OS5.

faceman

Hardware will be later this year. At a push they might throw out AirPower.

murpho999

Am I right in saying it's not an iphone 5 se just the iphone SE?

iOS 12 seems to be mosly under the hood improvements this year and that might be no harm.

Dardania

I can see WatchOS 5 dropping support for the original watch series (series 0?) - sob for early adopters

Sad Professor

murpho999 wrote: »

Am I right in saying it's not an iphone 5 se just the iphone SE?

Officially there's no "iPhone 5 SE", people just call the SE that because it uses the same form factor as the 5.

iOS 12 seems to be mosly under the hood improvements this year and that might be no harm.

Under-the-hood releases can cause a lot of problems too. Snow Leopard was mostly an under-the-hood release but the point oh version was pretty terrible and took several months to become the stable version of OS X that everyone remembers now.

murpho999

Sad Professor wrote: »

Officially there's no "iPhone 5 SE", people just call the SE that because it uses the same form factor as the 5.



Under-the-hood releases can cause a lot of problems too. Snow Leopard was mostly an under-the-hood release but the point oh version was pretty terrible and took several months to become the stable version of OS X that everyone remembers now.

I'm seeing this though as improvements to iOS 11 which was very buggy.

Sad Professor

murpho999 wrote: »

I'm seeing this though as improvements to iOS 11 which was very buggy.

Yeah, but any major release, whether its a "feature release" or an "under-the-hood" release, will probably break other things. If Apple really wanted to improve iOS 11 they would keep doing smaller maintenance releases for longer. I'm not totally pooh-poohing the idea of an under-the-hood release, just that initially it has the potential to be just as buggy if not more so than a big feature release.

DubDJ

Seems like it will be a much more muted WWDC this year with no major updates or revamps rumoured. I’m not getting my hopes up for anything too major.

I actually wouldn’t mind if this year was focused on stability and bugs for all platforms, even though I rarely deal with the problems most people seems to have with Apple software lately.

However, I’d like to see if anything comes from the rumoured cross platform iOS/macOs apps that were expected in the next year or two. That’s been walked back a bit lately with new rumours of iOS apps just running on Mac and new ARM based macs but with such big changes to a platform Apple would need to give developers a bit of time to prepare so this year isn’t completely ruled out IMO.

Creamy Goodness

DubDJ wrote: »

Seems like it will be a much more muted WWDC this year with no major updates or revamps rumoured. I’m not getting my hopes up for anything too major.

I actually wouldn’t mind if this year was focused on stability and bugs for all platforms, even though I rarely deal with the problems most people seems to have with Apple software lately.

However, I’d like to see if anything comes from the rumoured cross platform iOS/macOs apps that were expected in the next year or two. That’s been walked back a bit lately with new rumours of iOS apps just running on Mac and new ARM based macs but with such big changes to a platform Apple would need to give developers a bit of time to prepare so this year isn’t completely ruled out IMO.

The cross platform stuff has been pushed back to next year.

Developers may get a declarative based UI toolkit that would help with this cross platformification.

The intel transition only took a full year to do, arguably the lineup now is more complex but times have changed. Apple aren’t the underdog anymore. They can shift people into developing for a new architecture and hopefully the rest of the industry follows.

I’m hoping for new APIs to make doing animations easier and more fluid, APIs based off SceneKit etc to have real time lightning and shadows in UI elements.

Would be nice to see the release of the AirPower and the AirPods with Qi charging finally.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

The cross platform stuff has been pushed back to next year.

Developers may get a declarative based UI toolkit that would help with this cross platformification.

The intel transition only took a full year to do, arguably the lineup now is more complex but times have changed. Apple aren’t the underdog anymore. They can shift people into developing for a new architecture and hopefully the rest of the industry follows.

I’m hoping for new APIs to make doing animations easier and more fluid, APIs based off SceneKit etc to have real time lightning and shadows in UI elements.

Would be nice to see the release of the AirPower and the AirPods with Qi charging finally.

Hmm

The declarative uikit is probably what was rumoured to be cross platform solution.

A new ARM transition (which isn’t the same thing as the cross platform UI) would in theory be a recompile for existing Mac apps, and not even that if they used bit code.

I don’t get the SceneKit as a UI backend, not in he modern flat era.

Creamy Goodness

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Hmm

The declarative uikit is probably what was rumoured to be cross platform solution.

A new ARM transition (which isn’t the same thing as the cross platform UI) would in theory be a recompile for existing Mac apps, and not even that if they used bit code.

I don’t get the SceneKit as a UI backend, not in he modern flat era.

There’s been three code names bandied around for the cross platform stuff. Marzipan, Amber and something else can’t remeber now off the top of my head. I’m guessing there’s three parts to the bigger picture

1. Declarative UI to make it easier to fit in on both platforms
2. Using bit code to run on an arm Mac.
3. ???


I think we’ll only see 1. As it can be disguised as a “we’ve made things easier” whilst not letting the cat out of the bag on ARM Macs.

I can totally see the SceneKitification of UI. depth has been a big part of Apple’s UI recently. iOS hasn’t been flat since iOS 7-8, it’s been slowly creeping back in.

murpho999

Sad Professor wrote: »

Yeah, but any major release, whether its a "feature release" or an "under-the-hood" release, will probably break other things. If Apple really wanted to improve iOS 11 they would keep doing smaller maintenance releases for longer. I'm not totally pooh-poohing the idea of an under-the-hood release, just that initially it has the potential to be just as buggy if not more so than a big feature release.

Well according all rumours iOS12 is going to be less about new features and more about stability so I think it's highly unlikely to be buggy upon final release.

There will be some changes like notification grouping.

A lot of new features being held back for iOS13 which is expected to be a big revamp.

murpho999

Also event will be streamed on all platforms and browsers this time as opposed to just Apple Safari.

MillField

I'd be happy if we just get a solid stability update to both iOS and macOS, along with a system-wide dark mode for both. I'm kinda curious about new MacBook's too, or some sort of update to those unreliable keyboards.

DubDJ

macOS will have a dark mode, it was actually only leaked earlier on this evening. Also Apple news app for mac confirmed too, although it’s not available in Ireland still.

holystungun9

Running an 8 year old MacBook Pro and a 6 year old mac mini and dying to upgrade one or other. I hope there is some hardware announced or else something to go on to help with the wait.

godtabh

holystungun9 wrote: »

Running an 8 year old MacBook Pro and a 6 year old mac mini and dying to upgrade one or other. I hope there is some hardware announced or else something to go on to help with the wait.

The Mac MINI will never be updated. When was the last time?

Reading up on the ARM stuff. Will it lead to the likes of AutoDesk dropping support for Macs? Or MS office applications etc?

Franz Von Peppercorn

Apple already have given devs the tools to migrate to ARM (or any chipset). Just use the standard SDK and compilers. Generally what is in xCode. Anything that eventually uses the compiler to generate code ( like react native) should also work.

So there’s probably no announcement there, unless there’s an actual device.

faceman

Looks like new AirPods will be announced tomorrow.

eeloe

faceman wrote: »

Looks like new AirPods will be announced tomorrow.

Link?

eeloe

They better release the case separately.

Or completely upgrade the airpods altogether!

If it’s the same airpods, and you can only get the case by buying airpods i’m gonna be pissed.

faceman

Mr.S wrote: »

Probably just a new QI supported case.

Yeah that’s what I figure. Although I know they have been working on a new chip for them. Not sure if we will see a hardware change other than case

faceman

eeloe wrote: »

Link?

Stock levels for AirPods in some countries are low or sold out with restock later this month.

murpho999

eeloe wrote: »

They better release the case separately.

Or completely upgrade the airpods altogether!

If it’s the same airpods, and you can only get the case by buying airpods i’m gonna be pissed.

Wow, you'd actually get drunk because of this?

Micky 32

Always on display would be nice for the OLED iPhone X but i doubt Apple would think it's fair to the iPhone 8 users.

murpho999

Event streamed live here.

murpho999

iOS 12 available on all devices that could run iOS11.

DubDJ

Looks like it’s gonna be a minimal iOS update this year. Hoping the Mac will get a bit of focus after the small updates the last year or two. watchOS has a lot of low hanging fruit too that Apple could add to it.

Sad Professor

Why would anyone want to play with virtual lego?

murpho999

Sad Professor wrote: »

Why would anyone want to play with virtual lego?

I know, next they''ll want us to watch a Lego film.

murpho999

Grouped notifications will be good.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Lots of fairly good customer facing things here. Not so much for devs though.

Sad Professor

"This year we're taking animoji to a whole new level..."

For the love of god, please don't.

"with tongue detection"

Is this a joke?

murpho999

I don't get why Apple feel that Animojis are so important.

Surely they could do more with iMessage than that?

"Reply to " like what's app has would be useful.

Franz Von Peppercorn

not sure if that is available on all devices though.

Franz Von Peppercorn

murpho999 wrote: »

I don't get why Apple feel that Animojis are so important.

Surely they could do more with iMessage than that?

"Reply to " like what's app has would be useful.

I am pretty sure it will be huge with teenagers when it is available more widely on cheaper devices.

murpho999

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

not sure if that is available on all devices though.

Do you mean Animojis? On the X only.

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

I am pretty sure it will be huge with teenagers when it is available more widely.

Yes but how many of them buy iPhone X?

Also it's the only announced update on iMessage.

Dardania

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

murpho999 wrote: »

I don't get why Apple feel that Animojis are so important.

Surely they could do more with iMessage than that?

"Reply to " like what's app has would be useful.

I am pretty sure it will be huge with teenagers when it is available more widely on cheaper devices.

targeting the snapchat natives

Franz Von Peppercorn

Talking meejios could be huge with the kids.

Sad Professor

Who thought getting a woman to ride a bike on stage was a good idea?

DubDJ

iOS was a lot bigger than I expected, watchOS was pretty small. Hoping macOS has a few nice features.

Not much had leaked in advance this year, was nice to get some actually surprises for once.

Sad Professor

This is an awful keynote. Better performance, group chat and group notification in iOS. New watch band. AppleTV still exists. That's it. Not enough for developers or users to justify a 2 hour keynote. I'm preparing myself for the worst for the Mac presentation.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Sad Professor wrote: »

This is an awful keynote. Better performance, group chat and group notification in iOS. New watch band. AppleTV still exists. That's it. Not enough for developers or users to justify a 2 hour keynote. I'm preparing myself for the worst for the Mac presentation.

I think there was some good customer stuff - rather more than I expected. I am not a watch user but there was a fair amount there.

There isn't much for developers but we knew that was the case. Next year is when they will do the big dev release with the OS/ Mac convergence api, and no doubt the final swift release.

( In fact I bet they are designing the stocks and news app already with that stuff)

Franz Von Peppercorn

Mr.S wrote: »

Dark mode, finally.

Loving the new stacks feature too, that will be very handy in work.

wasn't that in OS 9?

murpho999

Sad Professor wrote: »

This is an awful keynote. Better performance, group chat and group notification in iOS. New watch band. AppleTV still exists. That's it. Not enough for developers or users to justify a 2 hour keynote. I'm preparing myself for the worst for the Mac presentation.

I actually think it's been pretty good.

I think it's good they're focussing on performance issues within iOS that will lead to improvements.

Been more to Watch than a new band as well.

murpho999

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

wasn't that in OS 9?

What OS is that?

Franz Von Peppercorn

murpho999 wrote: »

What OS is that?

Mac OS 9

Franz Von Peppercorn

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Next year is when they will do the big dev release with the OS/ Mac convergence api, and no doubt the final swift release.

( In fact I bet they are designing the stocks and news app already with that stuff)

Excellent guess Franz.

Sad Professor

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Mac OS 9

Not that I recall. But stacks has been supported in the OS X Dock since 10.5. They are just folders.

murpho999

That Developers video made me think they had all died.

Sad Professor

Mr.S wrote: »

Not a single new hardware piece announced

Does the new watch strap not count?