why does easy jet not fly to dublin

thebest97

easy jet is probably by far the most popular budget airline in the UK it has flights operating to belfast but there is no flights to anywhere like cork , shannon or dublin any idea why easy jet don't fly to the republic

kooga

they used to fly cork Gatwick back around 2004/05 then Ryanair started to fly cork Gatwick - price war and easyjet walked away

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/easyjet-launches-gatwick-services-to-knock-shannon-and-cork-airports-25899234.html

thebest97

ye i thought that alright , i understand them not flying to dublin because of ryanair but i thought they could put on a limited number of flights from cork or shannon without causing to much trouble

L1011

thebest97 wrote: »

ye i thought that alright , i understand them not flying to dublin because of ryanair but i thought they could put on a limited number of flights from cork or shannon without causing to much trouble

Ryanair will target any LCC that comes in to Ireland with matching routes and fare dumping, even at the regional airports. Wizz, Jet2 and Easyjet have all given up.

Locker10a

Yep, as mentioned, as long as Ryanair have a big presence any other competition wiill be fought off by them to the death.
In the instance of Knock/ Gatwick, easyJet pulled the route once Ryanair joined, as it wasn’t sustainable and once easyJet pulled out so did Ryanair, leaving the route entirely unserved for years after. The biggest losers were Knock airport and all the people who benefitted from that route.
After that easyJet haven’t dared to enter the Irish market south of the border

flexcon

Locker10a wrote: »

Yep, as mentioned, as long as Ryanair have a big presence any other competition wiill be fought off by them to the death.
In the instance of Knock/ Gatwick, easyJet pulled the route once Ryanair joined, as it wasn’t sustainable and once easyJet pulled out so did Ryanair, leaving the route entirely unserved for years after. The biggest losers were Knock airport and all the people who benefitted from that route.
After that easyJet haven’t dared to enter the Irish market south of the border

Pretty sure they did this with the Cork - Dublin flight. Aer lingus looked after this for years, and then Ryanair came in and competed - shut the route down not long afterwards.

Could be other reasons now but that's what happened

Locker10a

flexcon wrote: »

Locker10a wrote: »

Yep, as mentioned, as long as Ryanair have a big presence any other competition wiill be fought off by them to the death.
In the instance of Knock/ Gatwick, easyJet pulled the route once Ryanair joined, as it wasn’t sustainable and once easyJet pulled out so did Ryanair, leaving the route entirely unserved for years after. The biggest losers were Knock airport and all the people who benefitted from that route.
After that easyJet haven’t dared to enter the Irish market south of the border

Pretty sure they did this with the Cork - Dublin flight. Aer lingus looked after this for years, and then Ryanair came in and competed - shut the route down not long afterwards.

Could be other reasons now but that's what happened

You’re right but it was Aer Aran not Aer Lingus. A similar trend was seen when Wizz air used to serve numours routes from Cork, which surprise surprise no longer exist now after Wizz pulled out after Ryanair went head to head

Fr Tod Umptious

flexcon wrote: »

Pretty sure they did this with the Cork - Dublin flight. Aer lingus looked after this for years, and then Ryanair came in and competed - shut the route down not long afterwards.

Could be other reasons now but that's what happened

Ryainair ran Cork - Dublin about 10 years ago.

The opening of the full motorway from Cork to Dublin made the air route less attractive so I think it shut around then.

PukkaStukka

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Ryainair ran Cork - Dublin about 10 years ago.

The opening of the full motorway from Cork to Dublin made the air route less attractive so I think it shut around then.

Indeed Ryanair did and I used that service on more than once occasion. IIRC, a number of these were positioning flights opened up to Pax

serfboard

Locker10a wrote: »

In the instance of Knock/ Gatwick, easyJet pulled the route once Ryanair joined, as it wasn’t sustainable and once easyJet pulled out so did Ryanair, leaving the route entirely unserved for years after.

In fairness, Aer Lingus have been flying Knock to Gatwick for at least the past seven years.

trellheim

Yeeessss to some of this but I can't believe DUB-MAN on premier league fridays and saturdays would not be a huge moneymaker for all concerned, look at the flight costs - typically 300 when theres a match on, back down to 60-100 otherwise.

Also look at Riga and Tallinn atm for the summer, huge prices. It can't always be about driving out the competition, sometimes new entrants need protection

Zonda999

Ryanair axed ORK-DUB in 2011. Been mentioned here many times that EI Regional may have a market here again, especially with more Transatlantic routes nowadays but still nothing.Personally, I think a twice daily ATR 42-600 would be profitable but obviously EI Regional believe they can make more money elsewhere. Also worth mentioning that DUB-KIR is being operated by the ATR 72-600 at the moment,upgrade from the ATR 42, then again this is a PSO route.

Regarding Easyjet, or any LCC re-entering the Irish market, I don't see it happening it. Not only Ryanair as already mentioned but EI & EI Regional also have a low cost base, so plenty competition that would treat any new LCC with contempt

marno21

trellheim wrote: »

Yeeessss to some of this but I can't believe DUB-MAN on premier league fridays and saturdays would not be a huge moneymaker for all concerned, look at the flight costs - typically 300 when theres a match on, back down to 60-100 otherwise.

Also look at Riga and Tallinn atm for the summer, huge prices. It can't always be about driving out the competition, sometimes new entrants need protection

DUB-MAN is well covered by both Aer Lingus and Ryanair.

If easyJet entered the market Ryanair would cut fares on existing flights and introduce additional ones at rock bottom prices. easyJet would make no money from it and then cancel the flight.

Locker10a

serfboard wrote: »

Locker10a wrote: »

In the instance of Knock/ Gatwick, easyJet pulled the route once Ryanair joined, as it wasn’t sustainable and once easyJet pulled out so did Ryanair, leaving the route entirely unserved for years after.

In fairness, Aer Lingus have been flying Knock to Gatwick for at least the past seven years.

Yes thank god! That Flight is a life saver for me

trellheim

DUB-MAN is well covered by both Aer Lingus and Ryanair.

If easyJet entered the market Ryanair would cut fares on existing flights and introduce additional ones at rock bottom prices. easyJet would make no money from it and then cancel the flight.

Yes I am well aware it is, commuted on it for a long time. DUB-MAN is persistently high fares ( Ha! the Low Fares Airline) though on both carriers at Prem League fixture dates.
Its not difficult to see why, its pure gravy and a model for more competition.

That is little reason to just say "Fortress Dublin" and have done.

arccosh

I would like to see easyjet in with the 319's to be in competiton with Flybe to Ireland on certain routes... places where Ryanair have too big a plane... Southampton/Newquay for example

jjbrien

arccosh wrote: »

I would like to see easyjet in with the 319's to be in competiton with Flybe to Ireland on certain routes... places where Ryanair have too big a plane... Southampton/Newquay for example

Doesnt Flybe not already fly on this route? So it wouldnt make much money for either of them.

Just like when Aer Lingus has tried to fly on the DUB LPL route Ryanair quickly piled on extra flights and dumped seats at rock bottom prices.

JCX BXC

If easyJet saw an achieveable market in Dublin, they'd be in immediately. However, entering a country extremely loyal to it's 2 homegrown airlines (Aer Lingus and Ryanair) will not be easy, especially when you'll inevitably face compeition from one of them. You'd really want to fly from an airport Ryanair doesn't fly to at all (for whatever reason), and that there's no current compeition on.

With Ryanair being well known and an airline many Irish people are actually proud of, as well as being well known in the UK, easyJet would have a hard time fighting them off.

dogmatix

Locker10a wrote: »

Yep, as mentioned, as long as Ryanair have a big presence any other competition wiill be fought off by them to the death.
In the instance of Knock/ Gatwick, easyJet pulled the route once Ryanair joined, as it wasn’t sustainable and once easyJet pulled out so did Ryanair, leaving the route entirely unserved for years after. The biggest losers were Knock airport and all the people who benefitted from that route.
After that easyJet haven’t dared to enter the Irish market south of the border

Would not Knock airport have been better off not allowing Ryanair in on the Gatwick route, if they had known they would come in simply to knock out easyjet and then vanish again? And would the airport have the power to do this if they could?

JCX BXC

dogmatix wrote: »

Would not Knock airport have been better off not allowing Ryanair in on the Gatwick route, if they had known they would come in simply to knock out easyjet and then vanish again? And would the airport have the power to do this if they could?

How do they not allow them to go on the route?

dogmatix

I don’t know – that’s what I’m wondering.

What I mean is: Say Airline A is running a route to a certain destination from your airport. Suddenly Airline B (with a certain reputation regarding competition) comes in on the same route with cheaper prices. The airport suspects they were just doing this to drive away a competitor, and then Airline B would vanish from the route as soon as Airline A retreats. So now they have a lost a route out of the airport. Would it not be in their interest to deny Airline B access on the route – assuming the airport had the power/rights to do so?

I don't know if Knock airport had suspected this would happen, or even if that particular route was going to be viable in the long term.

trellheim

well knock can refuse the business I suppose. Its a business like any other you dont have to take business you dont want .

JCX BXC

I'm not sure they can refuse, and even if they did, they'd be saying bye bye to the rest of Ryanairs routes from the airport.

L1011

Offering new route incentives to actually new routes, not new airlines on old routes, is the main tactic to reduce this sort of stuff. Means the price dumping airline have an even more significant cost to overcome

ted1

Waterford and Sligo to Newquay area. Surfers and others would use it flights Friday evening and Sunday evenings would be good

JCX BXC

ted1 wrote: »

Waterford and Sligo to Newquay area. Surfers and others would use it flights Friday evening and Sunday evenings would be good

Sounds like you'd be taking a very small niche there and I really don't think it would work. Firstly easyJet aircraft can't operate from those airports!

Irish Steve

JCX BXC wrote: »

Sounds like you'd be taking a very small niche there and I really don't think it would work. Firstly easyJet aircraft can't operate from those airports!

Agree re Waterford. There would be no issues with Newquay, the runway there is not restricting for short haul twin jets, it's longer than the main runway at Dublin, so well capable of taking long haul if necessary.

JCX BXC

Irish Steve wrote: »

Agree re Waterford. There would be no issues with Newquay, the runway there is not restricting for short haul twin jets, it's longer than the main runway at Dublin, so well capable of taking long haul if necessary.

Ah yes, no problems at Newquay, when I said "those" I meant Sligo and Waterford.

kub

Irish Steve wrote:

Agree re Waterford. There would be no issues with Newquay, the runway there is not restricting for short haul twin jets, it's longer than the main runway at Dublin, so well capable of taking long haul if necessary.

What is it about the mindset in this country when a tiny place like Newquay can have a runway longer than the main one at our Nations capital?

faoiarvok

kub wrote: »

What is it about the mindset in this country when a tiny place like Newquay can have a runway longer than the main one at our Nations capital?

I don’t know about Newquay in particular, but a lot of UK airports are former RAF bases, so the runway may not reflect the traffic they accommodate or hope to, but rather the military aircraft they used to (and in some cases continue to) service.

Edit: Just checked Wikipedia, their runway is 107m longer than 10/28 at Dublin, and it was indeed formerly an RAF base.

markpb

kub wrote: »

What is it about the mindset in this country when a tiny place like Newquay can have a runway longer than the main one at our Nations capital?

The length of 10/28 was artificially stunted to prevent it taking traffic from Shannon.

Irish Steve

faoiarvok wrote: »

I don’t know about Newquay in particular, but a lot of UK airports are former RAF bases, so the runway may not reflect the traffic they accommodate or hope to, but rather the military aircraft they used to (and in some cases continue to) service.

Edit: Just checked Wikipedia, their runway is 107m longer than 10/28 at Dublin, and it was indeed formerly an RAF base.

RAF St Mawgan, was used for many years by Coastal Command, and over a period of time was home to things like Shackleton, a big 4 engine search aircraft that was similar to the Lancaster and Lincoln, and latterly the Nimrod, a much modified version of the Comet 4 that was primarily used for Search and Rescue and Oceanic surveillance, and things like submarine searching.


For a long time, it was also a designated Master Diversion Airfield, which meant it had to be ready to accept diversions of almost anything the military operated, from small fast fighter/interceptors, up to the largest transports, it was at the peak a very busy airfield, as it could also accept NATO diversions in the event of a problem during an Atlantic crossing, and during the Cold War, it could be used as an alternate landing for any of the V bomber fleet.

kn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/107122909#Comment_107122909

I flew Gatwick to Cork one morning around 2006 on Easyjet. They were all of 6 of us onboard. As you say Ryanair forced them out through loss making pricing. There is a suggestion that Easyjet are looking to get into Dublin.

Tenzor07

Not a hope Easyjet will get into Dublin, and even if they did manage to get a couple of aircraft in what could they offer that Ryanair doesn't already?

goingnowhere

Easyjet could fly to Dublin, but the game would be to fly from a slot constrained airport Ryanair do not operate to, then the 0.99 fares trick can't be used

Geneva, Zurich ?

Tenzor07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120708369#Comment_120708369

GVA and ZRH would have high landing/airport charges so can't see them squeezing out EI or Swiss air..

I just did a quick search for a flight from London to Zuirich and there's like a €10 difference between EJ and Swiss, and that's probably only cos EJ fly from LGW not LHR...

kevinandrew

With slots assigned at Dublin for a twice weekly service (Wed/Sat) this winter, it will be interesting to see if they take them up.

It’s EasyJet Europe and at such a low frequency it suggests a ski route or winter sun. Most likely seems Geneva or Lyon which could be under the radar enough for Ryanair not to respond (they wouldn’t bother with high cost GVA) but if it goes well and EasyJet think of any expansion that encroaches on Ryanair’s patch, there would be a big reaction I think.

Then again, maybe EasyJet is looking to pick a fight with Aer Lingus, in which case Ryanair would be happy to sit back and watch. Ryanair is so dominant in the Irish market now that the No.2 carrier could be green or orange, it wouldn’t matter to them so long as the comfy duopoly is maintained.

munchkin_utd

Didnt Easy jet not try to get in on the bread and butter UK-IRL runs though the last time, which is a bit different to carving a niche on the ski market or random european destinations.

Also with the ski market, from looking at the insane prices aer lingus charge on winter only Cork-Munich flights right from the off, you can only guess that those ski flights are largely pre-reserved by package operators before the public even gets a lookin and if thats the case with Easyjet then it doesnt matter what Ryanair does as it would be a quasi charter flight with some seats open for the public.

L1011

They now have slots at Cork for a ski route also, if I remember the list I saw someone post elsewhere.

Not a market Ryanair are likely to aggressively try defend against, for starters.

chasing_ghosts

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120711768#Comment_120711768

I saw that list, it was a mistake. They meant BFS. But like, I could still see that working?

In my opinion, I feel like price wars aren't as feasible nowadays with increased costs. TUI does some low-freq routes out of Dublin, why can't EasyJet?