Should the Iona institute be disbanded?

RobAMerc

clearly they are the 'political wing' of the Catholic church, the people of Ireland have rejected them and their ideology twice now.

Is it time they were disbanded ( and Ronan Mullins is expelled from Ireland )?

frag420

They should be terminated on demand...

rainbow kirby

Absolutely. **** them and their whining about every little progressive step this country has taken.

Major Lovechild

I'm delighted that John Waters is leaving.

Harry Palmr

No as that would be fundamentally anti democratic, besides the so called Iona Institute (a body which one suspects holds a degree from a fake university in Wisconsin) proves much amusement on the radio in these harsh times.

wexie

Don't particularly care if they're disbanded or not.

But I sure as hell don't think they should be getting anymore public funding.

BoJack Horseman

RobAMerc wrote: »

clearly they are the 'political wing' of the Catholic church, the people of Ireland have rejected them and their ideology twice now.

Is it time they were disbanded ( and Ronan Mullins is expelled from Ireland )?

Anyone who I disagree with should be disbanded.

BoJack Horseman

frag420 wrote: »

They should be terminated on demand...

Up to 12 weeks.

Or up to 24 weeks if they impair your physical or mental healtg

salmocab

I’d be happy if they disappeared into the ether as irrelevant to our society. No good comes from them.

keeponhurling

And maybe Fine Gael should be disbanded if they lose an election, and Fianna Fáil....

No, I think democracy is too important to go the North Korean way of "silencing" those who you don't agree with.

alias no.9

No, they should be mostly ignored but occasionally listened to just to remember why it is they should be mostly ignored. There is certainly no reason for the level of media attention they seem to be able to command.

freewheeler

Absolutely!! but would miss the glee i feel every time they get their arses handed to them after each referendum!

Franz Von Peppercorn

RobAMerc wrote: »

clearly they are the 'political wing' of the Catholic church, the people of Ireland have rejected them and their ideology twice now.

Is it time they were disbanded ( and Ronan Mullins is expelled from Ireland )?

No they are a free association in a democracy. Not sure what law you want to ban them.

Franz Von Peppercorn

keeponhurling wrote: »

And maybe Fine Gael should be disbanded if they lose an election, and Fianna Fáil....

No, I think democracy is too important to go the North Korean way of "silencing" those who you don't agree with.

Plus ca change. Plus ca la meme chose.

Guarantee the people who want to ban Iona are descendents of ultra catholics.

Yer Da sells Avon

Lolek Ltd. is a private company and can do whatever it likes, but it should definitely be banned from using the word 'institute' in its title.

Conservatory

I have a kind of weird admiration for them.
They will take funding and argue any issue that funding wants. They do it all with a straight face.

I’d say when they get home they laugh and joke and role around on the money.

I could be wrong though and they could all be loons.

Yamanoto

They've the same right to advocate for their views as any other organisation.

If Iona's social agenda bothers you, just wait 'til the Evangelical & Pentecostal congregations begin to organise & wield some political clout.

Grayson

I wouldn't disband them. Look at all the work they have ahead of them.


http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2018/05/26/no-side-to-tirelessly-campaign-for-vulnerable-children-from-now-on/

No Side To Tirelessly Campaign For Vulnerable Children From Now On


AFTER unsuccessfully campaigning against the repeal of the 8th amendment leading No Side figures have announced a drastic change in direction and focus, stating they will from now on actually campaign for help and support for the vulnerable children Ireland has living in the country.

Extending that focus to increasing supports to pregnant women, women, rape victims, women who have suffered miscarriages, single parents and poor parents, these No Side campaigners have confirmed a significant change in where their energies will be focused going forward.

“We previously campaigned against divorce, equal marriage, and even tried to challenge giving welfare payments to single mothers while never ever actively trying to help or raise awareness for children in foster homes or awaiting adoption, in fact we campaigned against the Childrens Rights Referendum. God, we were a right bunch of c unts altogether,” explained one campaigner.

5uspect

No, of course not.

However the use of words like Institute should be protected under law. Additionally their charitable status should be investigated as a result of their campaigning in recent referenda.

It’s a good time for a journalistic exposé of the group. They’re a small number of people with extraordinary access to the media who also seem to be all interrelated through a few families.

Ireland’s christofascist mob.

Nekarsulm

This is a few years old, but seems fairly comprehensive.

http://bocktherobber.com/2013/06/what-exactly-is-the-iona-institute/

hatrickpatrick

Ireland needs something like America's First Amendment IMO, there's been far too much talk in recent years of silencing minority opposition groups.

DickSwiveller

Ye, why not just ban every group that doesn't tow the liberal consensus. You people are just as intolerant as any religious fanatic I know.

RobertKK

Living in a free society means we have to allow views and expression of opinion by those we disagree with.

I don't agree with calls for censorship of opinions that one disagrees with.

Dempsey

RobAMerc wrote: »

clearly they are the 'political wing' of the Catholic church, the people of Ireland have rejected them and their ideology twice now.

Is it time they were disbanded ( and Ronan Mullins is expelled from Ireland )?

Do you believe in free speech, democracy etc?

fishfoodie

We shouldn't ban them; but I would be in favor of send them some complementary Chess sets.

Ulysses Gaze

I don't like people calling for the banning of groups like Iona that they don't like.

Reeks of Puritanism and dareIsay, a return to the intolerance of Catholic Ireland in the 1950's.

If you don't like their views, ridicule and lampoon them.

HappyAsLarE

And here we have the dangers of over liberal left wing ideologies - you don’t agree with us so you should be disbanded. FFS.

A little conservatism is very very important.

RobAMerc

Dempsey wrote: »

Do you believe in free speech, democracy etc?

I do, I don't believe in allowing an organisation which peddles mistruths and promotes the treating of others as second class citizens have such air time and potential influence.

DickSwiveller

5uspect wrote: »

No, of course not.

However the use of words like Institute should be protected under law. Additionally their charitable status should be investigated as a result of their campaigning in recent referenda.

It’s a good time for a journalistic exposé of the group. They’re a small number of people with extraordinary access to the media who also seem to be all interrelated through a few families.

Ireland’s christofascist mob.

Do they? David Quinn is a columnist for a national newspaper, as is Breda O'Brien. They are two of the few journalists who are not off the scale liberals, so programmes will obviously try and get some balance.

MadYaker

Yes

RobAMerc

HappyAsLarE wrote: »

And here we have the dangers of over liberal left wing ideologies - you don’t agree with us so you should be disbanded. FFS.

A little conservatism is very very important.

this is After Hours ffs - I didnt put this in the Politics forum for a reason.

DickSwiveller

RobAMerc wrote: »

I do, I don't believe in allowing an organisation which peddles mistruths and promotes the treating of others as second class citizens have such air time and potential influence.

They don't have a lot of influence. Stop listening to what the twatter mob is telling you and think for yourself.

Ulysses Gaze

RobAMerc wrote: »

I do, I don't believe in allowing an organisation which peddles mistruths and promotes the treating of others as second class citizens have such air time and potential influence.

What influence do they have given they just got their asses handed to them in the referendum?
Their ship has sailed. They have no more influence.

HappyAsLarE

RobAMerc wrote: »

this is After Hours ffs - I didnt put this in the Politics forum for a reason.

What’s that supposed to mean? You were joking? Good one.

RobAMerc

HappyAsLarE wrote: »

What’s that supposed to mean? You were joking? Good one.

Its suppose to mean it was tongue in cheek.
Do you think I really believe Ronan Mullins should be kicked out of the country? ( although admittedly I would like to see it )

MikeyTaylor

Whereabouts in Iowa is this institute? Des Moines? Cedar Rapids? ;-) Wherever they are, they certainly seem controversial.

Taytoland

Hope they come to NI to help battle off any abortion referendum. We could do with teaming up our catholic friends.

Ulysses Gaze

Taytoland wrote: »

Hope they come to NI to help battle off any abortion referendum. We could do with teaming up our catholic friends.

If they do that, the No side is sure to lose.....

vicwatson

They should not have charitable status for tax purposes that’s for sure

Graces7

vicwatson wrote: »

They should not have charitable status for tax purposes that’s for sure

Why not? They qualify. Just because "you" disagree has no relevance

Taytoland

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

Hope they come to NI to help battle off any abortion referendum. We could do with teaming up our catholic friends.

If they do that, the No side is sure to lose.....

The no side had bad tactics, not near enough conservatives and the best tactic which works an absolute treat all the time, divide and rule!

tabby aspreme

RobAMerc wrote: »

I do, I don't believe in allowing an organisation which peddles mistruths and promotes the treating of others as second class citizens have such air time and potential influence.

If that's the criteria for banning an organization then most religious groups and political parties will have to go

Yer Da sells Avon

Graces7 wrote: »

Why not? They qualify. Just because "you" disagree has no relevance

Name one charitable thing they do.

padd b1975

RobAMerc wrote: »

I do, I don't believe in allowing an organisation which peddles mistruths and promotes the treating of others as second class citizens have such air time and potential influence.

We've got ourselves a no-platform merchant here!

DickSwiveller

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

Name one charitable thing they do.

Do you feel as strongly about the Women's Council having charitable status?

whisky_galore

No.

People should be allowed be part of whatever so long as it's not a de facto terrorist organisation.
Just goes to show how 'liberal' so called liberals really are.

Jimbob1977

To be honest, there will be many people who will mock religion as "frock-wearing celibates" and "God botherers".

Many of these people will also hypocritically:

1. Request a church wedding so the bride can have her Princess day.

2. Get their child baptised for a big booze-up

3. Have a Holy Communion for their daughter's Princess day, followed by a bouncy castle.

4. Demand that their relatives are given a Christian funeral

5. Pray just as hard when their plane is crashing or a relative is dying.

Eradication (or suppression) of religious organisation didn't exactly work out for the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, China, Cambodia, etc.

You just replace one orthodoxy with another.

I congratulate the Yes campaign for its victory.

Yer Da sells Avon

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Do you feel as strongly about the Women's Council having charitable status?

Do you think the Women's Council shouldn't have charitable status?

Lady Spangles

There's no real need for them to disband. They're already utterly irrelevant and that's an irrelevance that increases daily. Ireland no longer has anything to fear from them. However, are they getting public money? If so, that needs to stop.

chicorytip

RobAMerc wrote:

I do, I don't believe in allowing an organisation which peddles mistruths and promotes the treating of others as second class citizens have such air time and potential influence.

7/3 is not a landslide margin of victory. Iona articulate views and opinions - in a truthful and sincere fashion - which a great many people concur with. The lies and misinformation uttered during this campaign have emanated entirely from the "Yes" advocates.

nice_guy80

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

No they are a free association in a democracy. Not sure what law you want to ban them.

They are a charity campaigning against women's rights

Not very charitable