Wicklow 200 2018

Budawanny

Many people doing it this year ? I’ve signed up for it myself. Started road biking last year , had an atrociously bad winter for training but have managed an increasing distance and elevation spins at weekends since March culminating in the smooth roads and long but gentle climbs of Mallorca 167. Did shay Elliot last weekend and sally gap , cruagh etc , but still have to do Slieve Maan and Wicklow gap.
Have no clue how to train for this stuff but I’ll carry on regardless .
A few tales of other people’s success wouldn’t go astray :-D

lissard

It sounds like you are pretty much ready for the W200. I wouldn't get too worried about trying out every single one of the big climbs before next month. The main thing about the W200 is the distance. You need to conserve energy for the back end of the course. The first time I did it I thought I was home and hosed after climbing the SE, boy was I in for a shock. The last 40k is still hilly and the roads are rough so it takes quite a bit out of you. The change in the course last year means there are a few hills right at the back end of the course - Windgates coming out of Greystones and Monastery Road coming out of Enniskerry. On their own these hills are no big deal but with 190k in the legs it's another matter. I

Wishbone Ash

Budawanny wrote: »

... Did shay Elliot last weekend and sally gap , cruagh etc , but still have to do Slieve Maan and Wicklow gap....

If you can do Sally Gap, Shay Elliott and Cruagh, you'll have no problem on Slieve Mann or the Wicklow Gap.

(Wicklow Gap westwards as in the WW200, can be a bit more difficult as it's usually into a headwind but doing it with many others makes it easier).

lissard wrote: »

... I thought I was home and hosed after climbing the SE, boy was I in for a shock. The last 40k is still hilly and the roads are rough so it takes quite a bit out of you....

So many people are caught out every year when they get to the second food stop in Rathdrum, Psychologically they think they are nearly home and dry but there's a fair bit to go afterwards.

saccades

Yeah, you sound well able.

Going to struggle this year after a pulmonary embolism 2 months ago with a lovely chest infection that followed it.

Trying to get fit and it's starting to come back.

Main thing is to think 65% effort as you go around, first climb is very early and a rough road to round wood, Wicklow gap is steady with a steep bit near the mine works, sleive maan is the hill after you think it is and Shay Elliot starts mean and gets easier.

Short steep kicker which replaces the drag out of avoca has a lovely flat bit after for recovery, bray head climb is a killer so late and enniscorthy is messy.

Enjoy it, good atmosphere, loads of groups to drift in and out of, and it is a proper challenge.

Wishbone Ash

saccades wrote: »

... and enniscorthy is messy.....

Jesus, you went out of you way!








(Enniskerry! )

saccades

As for training...


25km ew commute 3x a week with weekend Mtb was no where near as effective as..

1x 125km commute, 80km weekend club spin, 1x short course Mtb race and spin classes.

Longer rides worked well to keep grinding, short stuff good for the climbs.

irishrover99

I can't believe it took till the 9th of May for a Wicklow 200 thread :eek:

Macy0161

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

So many people are caught out every year when they get to the second food stop in Rathdrum, Psychologically they think they are nearly home and dry but there's a fair bit to go afterwards.

This would be my advice from the year I did it (on the previous course). I knew the roads, so was well aware it wasn't over, but lots around at the food stop weren't aware. And probably harder, later now.

That, and knowing that Slievemaan isn't the hill before it.

Slievemaan is similar enough to the Shay (a little harder and longer but similar). Wicklow Gap has one steep bit around the mines and then it's more a drag - once you get to the mines it's not too bad wind depending.

Was tempted to do it this year, but went MB200 instead. Won't have the time or passes for both (or probably the legs!)

Budawanny

lissard wrote: »

It sounds like you are pretty much ready for the W200. I wouldn't get too worried about trying out every single one of the big climbs before next month. The main thing about the W200 is the distance. You need to conserve energy for the back end of the course. The first time I did it I thought I was home and hosed after climbing the SE, boy was I in for a shock. The last 40k is still hilly and the roads are rough so it takes quite a bit out of you. The change in the course last year means there are a few hills right at the back end of the course - Windgates coming out of Greystones and Monastery Road coming out of Enniskerry. On their own these hills are no big deal but with 190k in the legs it's another matter. I

Thanks for that. good info.

Budawanny

Macy0161 wrote: »

This would be my advice from the year I did it (on the previous course). I knew the roads, so was well aware it wasn't over, but lots around at the food stop weren't aware. And probably harder, later now.

That, and knowing that Slievemaan isn't the hill before it.

Slievemaan is similar enough to the Shay (a little harder and longer but similar). Wicklow Gap has one steep bit around the mines and then it's more a drag - once you get to the mines it's not too bad wind depending.

Was tempted to do it this year, but went MB200 instead. Won't have the time or passes for both (or probably the legs!)

thanks for that.

Budawanny

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

If you can do Sally Gap, Shay Elliott and Cruagh, you'll have no problem on Slieve Mann or the Wicklow Gap.

(Wicklow Gap westwards as in the WW200, can be a bit more difficult as it's usually into a headwind but doing it with many others makes it easier).

So many people are caught out every year when they get to the second food stop in Rathdrum, Psychologically they think they are nearly home and dry but there's a fair bit to go afterwards.

Alright thats excellent info. cheers.

saccades wrote: »

Yeah, you sound well able.

Going to struggle this year after a pulmonary embolism 2 months ago with a lovely chest infection that followed it.

Trying to get fit and it's starting to come back.

Main thing is to think 65% effort as you go around, first climb is very early and a rough road to round wood, Wicklow gap is steady with a steep bit near the mine works, sleive maan is the hill after you think it is and Shay Elliot starts mean and gets easier.

Short steep kicker which replaces the drag out of avoca has a lovely flat bit after for recovery, bray head climb is a killer so late and enniscorthy is messy.

Enjoy it, good atmosphere, loads of groups to drift in and out of, and it is a proper challenge.

Thanks for that. Ill take it onboard. Good luck with the recovery and training.

Budawanny

saccades wrote: »

As for training...


25km ew commute 3x a week with weekend Mtb was no where near as effective as..

1x 125km commute, 80km weekend club spin, 1x short course Mtb race and spin classes.

Longer rides worked well to keep grinding, short stuff good for the climbs.

I think ive been training arseways to be honest. I commute a total of 75km a week. and then one massive spin at the weekend. and an odd spin on the mtb from IFSC To threerock during the week . Chaotic , unorganised . but maybe ti will do.

If your the lad I think you are from my brief MAD days you are some man on the MTB too!

Macy0161

Budawanny wrote: »

I commute a total of 75km a week. and then one massive spin at the weekend. and an odd spin on the mtb from IFSC To threerock during the week . Chaotic , unorganised . but maybe ti will do.

Sounds ok to me - consistent and getting the long spin in. I wouldn't worry really. Year I did it I got around ok on one turbo and one 90-100km weekend spin a week!

Only other advice I would give would be to try and get in a groups for the flatter sections especially Hollywood down to Baltinglass (normally a headwind), but also Baltinglass to Hacketstown and Deputy's/ Gleneely to Greystones.

brocbrocach

Macy0161 wrote: »

Only other advice I would give would be to try and get in a groups for the flatter sections especially Hollywood down to Baltinglass (normally a headwind),

Yep, essential. That stretch can kill you dead.

irishrover99

Only other advice I would give would be to try and get in a groups for the flatter sections especially Hollywood down to Baltinglass (normally a headwind), but also Baltinglass to Hacketstown and Deputy's/ Gleneely to Greystones.

Only if the group is not going a break neck speed.
Some of those groups are full of extremely fit blokes and they can easily manage 40+kph down that stretch.
If the speed seems to high, don't be afraid to slow down and wait for the next group which could be going at a slower pace.

Wishbone Ash

irishrover99 wrote: »

Only if the group is not going a break neck speed.
Some of those groups are full of extremely fit blokes and they can easily manage 40+kph down that stretch.
If the speed seems to high, don't be afraid to slow down and wait for the next group which could be going at a slower pace.

Yes - sometimes better to stay with a group which you have caught up with rather than jumping onto a group which is passing.

Does anyone know what the feeding stations are like at this?

Wishbone Ash

red_ken wrote: »

Does anyone know what the feeding stations are like at this?

Baltinglass and Rathdrum. Usually limited to one sandwich with long queues. Many people prefer to use local shops/filling stations.

bazermc

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Baltinglass and Rathdrum. Usually limited to one sandwich with long queues. Many people prefer to use local shops/filling stations.

Petrol or diesel?

Paul_Mc1988

Also thinking of giving this a bash. Did the randonnee last week but had nothing left at the end and another 10 km would have broken me. Although i did manage a decent time of under 6 hours.

Looking at the climbing and it looks like theres only 200 meters extra for the extra 55 km. How would the climbs compare?

saccades

Budawanny wrote: »

I think ive been training arseways to be honest. I commute a total of 75km a week. and then one massive spin at the weekend. and an odd spin on the mtb from IFSC To threerock during the week . Chaotic , unorganised . but maybe ti will do.

If your the lad I think you are from my brief MAD days you are some man on the MTB too!

Same username so probably... I'm just stupid rather than impressive

Your training sounds similar to mine the first two times I did it, I'd suggest some kilmashogue lane climbs to get used to prolonged climbing, learn to think beyond the hill if that makes sense. Too easy on a low geared Mtb to winch yourself up so give it a couple tries at a time.

As for this bit:

sleive maan is the hill after you think it is

It's to highlight that there is a little (ish) hill before sleive maan that a lot of people think is the climb. It's not. You'll know in 30 seconds once you go around that bend and see the long constant drag in front of you when you really reach sleive maan.

Last year had a brevet card that worked well with a bike computer, laminate it and attach to the top tube if you are unfamiliar with the route.

My only other advice is to join a group on the day and work with it, the long drag to blessington regularly has the wind against you and is a killer on your own. If you are not familiar with roadie group riding take it handy at the back to learn, explain to anyone looking like they are made out of teak and never half wheel.

Enjoy, it's a proper hard cycle and something to be proud of when you complete it.

Resoguy

Had this on my to do list for the year and signed up last week, 1st time to attempt, did a couple of 200k spins earlier in the year Jan/March but this will be the toughest distance vs elevation for me to date, took April fairly handy so planning to build up my Sunday spins in the lead up, some good advice in previous posts thanks, looking forward to it

Macy0161

Paul_Mc1988 wrote: »

How would the climbs compare?

Climbs comparable, but not as constant up and down as the Randonee. A couple of killers near the end though! There was very little recovery in the Randonee, probably only from the second Sally Gap to Enniskerry really imo (as a head wind most of the way from Sally Gap to Glenmacnass). If you get in a nice group from Hollywood while not free miles, it's not as taxing as it might be, and then the same for the other couple of runs I mentioned (notwithstanding the advice about a suitably paced group).

If you did the full randonee I would think you'll be able for the 200. Make sure you fuel, as there wasn't comparable water stops with supplies to the Randonee when I did it. (Lack of) Food and water is always one of the major complaints.

Wishbone Ash

Paul_Mc1988 wrote: »

..How would the climbs compare?

There's a lot more long flat sections on the WW200 and, in my experience, it seems to be a bit more 'relaxed' than the randonnee - not as many 'club' cyclists.

Budawanny

saccades wrote: »

Same username so probably... I'm just stupid rather than impressive

Your training sounds similar to mine the first two times I did it, I'd suggest some kilmashogue lane climbs to get used to prolonged climbing, learn to think beyond the hill if that makes sense. Too easy on a low geared Mtb to winch yourself up so give it a couple tries at a time.

As for this bit:

sleive maan is the hill after you think it is

It's to highlight that there is a little (ish) hill before sleive maan that a lot of people think is the climb. It's not. You'll know in 30 seconds once you go around that bend and see the long constant drag in front of you when you really reach sleive maan.

Last year had a brevet card that worked well with a bike computer, laminate it and attach to the top tube if you are unfamiliar with the route.

My only other advice is to join a group on the day and work with it, the long drag to blessington regularly has the wind against you and is a killer on your own. If you are not familiar with roadie group riding take it handy at the back to learn, explain to anyone looking like they are made out of teak and never half wheel.

Enjoy, it's a proper hard cycle and something to be proud of when you complete it.

Thanks for that . Very useful Stuff all round.
Will definitely tape the course to the bike.
I guess I’ll be going up
Kilmashogue a few times so!!

Wishbone Ash

Budawanny wrote: »

...I guess I’ll be going up
Kilmashogue a few times so!!

There's nothing remotely as steep as Kilmashogue Lane on the WW200. You'd be better concentrating on longer climbs with fairly moderate gradients.

secman

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

There's nothing remotely as steep as Kilmashogue Lane on the WW200. You'd be better concentrating on longer climbs with fairly moderate gradients.

Budawanny... take note, very sound advice from a seasoned and very knowlegable cyclist.

saccades

secman wrote: »

Budawanny... take note, very sound advice from a seasoned and very knowlegable cyclist.

Kilmashogue lane has a significance to MADmtbers.

secman

saccades wrote: »

Kilmashogue lane has a significance to MADmtbers.

Not sure what the significance of that is to Budawanny looking for advice for training for W200 ?

Ps Richie was a legend in mtb

Charlie69

Wow!.. Isn't 70 euro to do this a bit steep?

saccades

secman wrote: »

Not sure what the significance of that is to Budawanny looking for advice for training for W200 ?

Ps Richie was a legend in mtb

The advice was to practice climbing, kilmashogue gives madsters a good idea of ability and a shorter (ish) but steeper climb means you can hopefully trade off the differences.

You have your view of Richie, I have mine.

irishrover99

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

There's nothing remotely as steep as Kilmashogue Lane on the WW200. You'd be better concentrating on longer climbs with fairly moderate gradients.

While your correct about nothing been as steep as kilmashouge, I've never once got to the top of it and felt like it wasn't worth the effort.
One of those is worth two of the others in the area.

Budawanny

Westportif 160 today. Pretty hard , not a lot of climbing in total , 1700 on the Garmin, but the rough road and strong head wind for 85km made it a bit of a bastard. We were on our own mostly too, the missus and I. Some views though. And well organized. Another long day in the saddle will hopefully contribute towards WW200 day.

Alek

While your correct about nothing been as steep as kilmashouge

Haven't measured really, but this one seems to have even a sillier steep ramp

https://www.strava.com/segments/6724849

Wishbone Ash

Alek wrote: »

Haven't measured really, but this one seems to have even a sillier steep ramp ...

... but it's not on the route. We were referring to climbs in the WW200.

irishrover99

Alek wrote: »

Haven't measured really, but this one seems to have even a sillier steep ramp

https://www.strava.com/segments/6724849

Jesus that looks steep. You'd need to be really fit to get up that, especially in second place overall 😀

Alek

... but it's not on the route. We were referring to climbs in the WW200.

Neither is Kilmashogue, mentioned earlier.....

Alek

You'd need to be really fit to get up that, especially in second place overall 😀

Nah, its just not popular at all... You'll see why when you try it, and I'm sure you will

Glencarraig

Hi guys, posting on behalf of my son who has an entry for this year but cannot use it, would anybody have interest in it? Thanks

gmacww

Glencarraig wrote: »

Hi guys, posting on behalf of my son who has an entry for this year but cannot use it, would anybody have interest in it? Thanks

I'm toying with the idea. How much is it?

retalivity

gmacww wrote: »

I'm toying with the idea. How much is it?

Im the same...

carltonleon

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

There's nothing remotely as steep as Kilmashogue Lane on the WW200. You'd be better concentrating on longer climbs with fairly moderate gradients.

WA gave me this advice a couple of years ago on here when I said I was going to do Kilmashougue for training. He advised to do longer less steep climbs... He was bang on and I did Stocking lane and Sally and Wicklow Gaps. Got through the WW200 in 8 hours which was a decent time for me, and had no issues on any of the climbs.

terrydel

carltonleon wrote: »

WA gave me this advice a couple of years ago on here when I said I was going to do Kilmashougue for training. He advised to do longer less steep climbs... He was bang on and I did Stocking lane and Sally and Wicklow Gaps. Got through the WW200 in 8 hours which was a decent time for me, and had no issues on any of the climbs.

The climbs on the W200 arent hard, the only issue is that Shay Elliot comes straight after Slieve Maan so you need the legs/stamina for that. But bar the very bottom of SE, they arent steep, just longish, by Irish standards.
W200 is all about stamina.

tc20

I did the 100 last year, my first ever sportive, and a bit more than my regular 10k each way commute :-)
I found it to be great fun, and have signed up to do the 200 this time around.
I've done a bit of training for this, but a word of warning - on the stretch that passes down by Kilmacurragh gardens, on a long straight-ish descent before you turn left towards Glenealy - I was up that way last weekend in the car, the road surface is atrocious - severely potholed. I don't recall it being in such a state last year. Both the 100 & 200 will pass this way.

gmacww

tc20 wrote: »

I did the 100 last year, my first ever sportive, and a bit more than my regular 10k each way commute :-)
I found it to be great fun, and have signed up to do the 200 this time around.
I've done a bit of training for this, but a word of warning - on the stretch that passes down by Kilmacurragh gardens, on a long straight-ish descent before you turn left towards Glenealy - I was up that way last weekend in the car, the road surface is atrocious - severely potholed. I don't recall it being in such a state last year. Both the 100 & 200 will pass this way.

Email the organisers. I did this a few years ago 3 weeks before the 200. I was doing amen corner (sleive and shay) and the descent towards Sleive Mann was horrendous. I emailed them to say it was barely fit for the two of us that did it never mind 3000. They got onto the council and low and behold on the day the surface was good.

Worth an email. There is still plenty of time to right it.

tc20

gmacww wrote: »

Email the organisers.
Worth an email. There is still plenty of time to right it.

cheers gmacww - I've just mailed them. I'll let you know of any response.

saccades

terrydel wrote: »

The climbs on the W200 arent hard, the only issue is that Shay Elliot comes straight after Slieve Maan so you need the legs/stamina for that. But bar the very bottom of SE, they arent steep, just longish, by Irish standards.
W200 is all about stamina.

New climb at the meetings is pretty steep

Rather than get completely side tracked in this thread my advice was aimed a someone climbing up to ticknock to Mtb and it was to go that way. Quickest up there is about 12:12 and most can do it under 20 minutes, which is about the time for the sleeve maan climb, it wasn't aimed at a higher geared roadie or someone looking for dedicated training.

On s different note, what time is everyone starting, I missed the parking mess last time, I suspect a lot of people are going to get there early this time.

terrydel

saccades wrote: »

New climb at the meetings is pretty steep

Rather than get completely side tracked in this thread my advice was aimed a someone climbing up to ticknock to Mtb and it was to go that way. Quickest up there is about 12:12 and most can do it under 20 minutes, which is about the time for the sleeve maan climb, it wasn't aimed at a higher geared roadie or someone looking for dedicated training.

On s different note, what time is everyone starting, I missed the parking mess last time, I suspect a lot of people are going to get there early this time.

I'll bow to your memory on that mate, I did it last year but I cant remember what I had for breakfast never mind a hill from last June
I was also a lot fitter last year so was in that rare form of finding every hill no bother at all. Ah, what I'd give for that now.....

Wishbone Ash

terrydel wrote: »

I'll bow to your memory on that mate, I did it last year but I cant remember.....

I thought I couldn't remember it either then it occurred to me that I buckled a wheel and didn't finish.

Budawanny

saccades wrote: »

New climb at the meetings is pretty steep

Rather than get completely side tracked in this thread my advice was aimed a someone climbing up to ticknock to Mtb and it was to go that way. Quickest up there is about 12:12 and most can do it under 20 minutes, which is about the time for the sleeve maan climb, it wasn't aimed at a higher geared roadie or someone looking for dedicated training.

On s different note, what time is everyone starting, I missed the parking mess last time, I suspect a lot of people are going to get there early this time.

Parking mess doesn't sound like fun so I think Ill be aiming for the car park as early as feck.

Wishbone Ash

Weepsie wrote: »

Is a 34/26 a bad combo for this?

It will be find for most of the climbs but will be heavy going at the start of the Shay Elliott (depending on your ability of course).