Problem with coworker!

gr8 m8

Hello.

I work at a horse stud and farm at home myself so the two jobs are basically along the same lines. At work if any fodder or bedding is not suitable for the horses I usually ask if I can have it for use with my own animals.

I do extra hours and don't look for overtime and work hard and the management have said as much back to me! I will always put forward my opinion at the highest table if I think it is more beneficial for those involved and some of my co-workers tell me that I am operating out side of my pay grade considering I'm on the bottom of the ladder!

My problem is with the coworker that works with me directly. From day 1 he has picked out the jobs that he likes doing which are obviously the easy and enjoyable jobs and will swap with me if he gets a job he doesn't like more than the one I usually do. If I say no then he only half does it and I end up staying late to help him finish and I usually end up watching him smoke and text while proclaiming how tired he is.

He doesn't like me using the good machinery and will often lock them up and hide keys, if I break anything he goes straight to management but if he breaks something he patches it up and walks away. He tells tales to workers in other sectors and yards and is always trying to under cut me by getting in his friends to do odd jobs and looking for them to be paid with the fodder and bedding that I have a verbal agreement to take away.

I could go on and on but basically it is his sneakiness and lies that pushes my buttons and the management are wise to him and have called him up on it but he is such a yes man that he Wiesel's out of it and again his workload falls to me! I might kill him but if anyone has any ideas on dealing with him then I would appreciate hearing them.

Thank you.

Ave Sodalis

If management are wise to it, explain to them that you are no longer in a position to do his work as well, and if his jobs don't get done then they'll have to go back to him.

Obviously prioritise feeding and watering, but any of his maintenance jobs anything non-essential to the direct welfare of the horses should be left for him to do. The reason management are happy enough for the current situation to continue is because the work is getting done regardless.

chuck eastwood

Yup as above suggested have a sit down with management and just state your concerns and make sure to ask if they are happy with your work. If the snake has made you look bad they will tell you and this is the perfect time to go over issues. It is always better to go to management before they come to you. You look more professional.
I also wouldnt be to worried about your other yard workers opinion, if you see thus guy as a lazy bluffer they can see it just as much but because its not affecting them they stay out of it

gr8 m8

Hello again.

I completely agree with you but just seems to be so much smarter than me! There are different managers here for different sectors and they all ring him to get the jobs done because he never says no! Then he rings me with the list of jobs and the reason why he can't get to do them.

My two options then are to either ring the manager and tell them that it won't be done and I look like the awkward one or else run around like a demon to get it done!

This happened last week and is the main reason for this post. He took on a very intricate job from a manager and then rang me to do it! I told him that I would see it done but not in the time frame he had promised unless he took up the slack for the jobs I needed to get done. He said that he couldn't help because he had a job to do outside the yard. I said fair enough and tried to get it done but it was far from perfect and I was called up on it!

I fought my corner and explained to management that a job like that requires notice if it's to be done in the future and not to expect us to get it done ASAP once the mood takes them. Obviously I am in the bad books for pointing out another managers mistake. But when my coworker was questioned he said that he would have done it if I had told him how much pressure I was under.

The major problem also was that he didn't actually leave the yard to do this job of his for 3 hours after the initial phone call because he was asked to load a horse for one of the owners and usually the owners leave a good tip when that happens.

I'm just wore from dealing with him and realise that I am going on a bit!

Ave Sodalis

Tell him no! There was no reason for you to say yes to that last job. The manager asked him to do it, he agreed to do it so the onus is on him.

Your options are not to ring the manager, or run around like a demon. Your options are to tell the co-worker yes or no. It's your co-workers job to either ring the manager, or run around because they are his jobs that he agreed to do. He is not your manager, you do not need to do as he says.

drdidlittle

OP. Time to look after yourself first. Focus on your jobs and on what you are asked to do by the managers first. You are too soft on the co worker. By helping them you are putting pressure on yourself while making them look good.
In regard to the machinery, inspect before use and report and/or record issues. If you break something which will happen record and reprort to management immediately.

gozunda

OP- why is this staff member delegating which jobs you do?

If he accepts a job - let him do that job and bear the responsibility of it. Do not facilitate his behaviour.

If there is an existing ad hoc delegation of jobs. Ask the yard manager (or whoever) that the jobs be delegated 50/50 in order that they can be done more efficiently etc

Sounds like yer man is a bit of a cute hoor tbh. Work smarter not harder

gr8 m8

Hello.

He is indeed very cute in his ways and I know that I am no match for him. He has little to no morals and I have seen this daily!

You say that I am too soft on him but I have been told that I am too hard on him by others.

We are supposed to split our work load down the middle in every way, our priority is the upkeep of the stud gallop (race track for training and exercising the horses) we could split it by every second day or week or month or whatever.

The gallop is a track of just over a kilometer and you pull a harrow or roller over it depending on what it needs after every group of horses of which there are 5 groups a day. In order to cover the full surface you pass over it 3 times which takes 15 minutes a pass at 4km/hour.

He has openly said that he hates the job and will leave if he has to do it for an extended period so the split is that I do it and he does it on my weekend off. So he does it 4 days out of every 28! It's a monotonous job and lasts from 7am to 1pm every day but I don't really care about doing it as I'm left to myself and I'm getting paid anyway!

I usually get off the gallop when we have to go do manual work like moving fodder bales or cleaning out stables, my comrade is not able for this work so I am usually requested to do it and I have no problem with this because it is a welcome change for me but my coworker always rings me the day before and says "sure I might do the gallop tomorrow and give you a break from it!".

My point is that he meets the managers every day in passing and they tell him what jobs are to be done, he then picks what jobs he fancies and I get the rest. He constantly rings the main manager and that manager tells me that he is driven mad from his constant attention seeking. Where he tells me that I am the opposite because he knows that if I ring him that he knows I have done something and have ran out of ideas to fix it! I might contact him twice a month where he hears from the other lad up to 5 times daily.

chuck eastwood

gr8 m8 wrote: »

Hello again.

I completely agree with you but just seems to be so much smarter than me! There are different managers here for different sectors and they all ring him to get the jobs done because he never says no! Then he rings me with the list of jobs and the reason why he can't get to do them.

My two options then are to either ring the manager and tell them that it won't be done and I look like the awkward one or else run around like a demon to get it done!

This happened last week and is the main reason for this post. He took on a very intricate job from a manager and then rang me to do it! I told him that I would see it done but not in the time frame he had promised unless he took up the slack for the jobs I needed to get done. He said that he couldn't help because he had a job to do outside the yard. I said fair enough and tried to get it done but it was far from perfect and I was called up on it!

I fought my corner and explained to management that a job like that requires notice if it's to be done in the future and not to expect us to get it done ASAP once the mood takes them. Obviously I am in the bad books for pointing out another managers mistake. But when my coworker was questioned he said that he would have done it if I had told him how much pressure I was under.

The major problem also was that he didn't actually leave the yard to do this job of his for 3 hours after the initial phone call because he was asked to load a horse for one of the owners and usually the owners leave a good tip when that happens.

I'm just wore from dealing with him and realise that I am going on a bit!

Yeah I've been in similar positions before. Again its a matter speaking to the managers involved one by one and asking outright if they are happy with your work and tell them that you thought they might not be as you have been struggling to cover your work load plus the jobs (have a written list of the jobs,paper trail is key) plus those a co worker is promising then shifting to you. It takes a sit down conversation as ohone calls are pointless. They just want you off the phone. Make no mistake i despise anyone under me taking advantage of co workers like that. I always want to know

Glass fused light

gr8 m8 wrote: »

Hello again.

I completely agree with you but just seems to be so much smarter than me! There are different managers here for different sectors and they all ring him to get the jobs done because he never says no! Then he rings me with the list of jobs and the reason why he can't get to do them.

My two options then are to either ring the manager and tell them that it won't be done and I look like the awkward one or else run around like a demon to get it done!

He not smarter, he understands how people think and is using against you.

Let his calls all go to voice mail, you then if needed have proof if he is handing off jobs but he can't hand off a job unless you agree in person to take responsibility.
If you don't take his call he has to come find you in person.
You need to just say "no", "no I am not doing that", "no you will have to go back to manager X I am not doing that"
Don't engage further just go back to doing your assigned work, dont agree to swap out jobs, if you keep this up and dont get involved he has no come back.
It's his responsibility not yours to explain why the job did not get done.

If he is an smart ass and cant take the message get a small note book and pencil and list the jobs you intend to do at the start of each shift, pull the note book out flip it to the current page, have a good look and say nope your job is not on the list, flip to the blank back page and say his name is not on the dig out list either.

This happened last week and is the main reason for this post. He took on a very intricate job from a manager and then rang me to do it! I told him that I would see it done but not in the time frame he had promised unless he took up the slack for the jobs I needed to get done. He said that he couldn't help because he had a job to do outside the yard. I said fair enough and tried to get it done but it was far from perfect and I was called up on it!

You need to cut him off with the managers too.
What you also need to do is go back about this instance to the manager(s)
Accept that as you did not have the experience, you did not do the job as it should have been done.
Explain that you have reflected on what happened and as a result in future will not get involved in any job assigned directly to this lad unless a manager contacts you directly.
Explain that you realised that the lad had been assigned the task because the manager believed him capable of completing the task to an appropriate standard, and you should have left it to him to do it.

I fought my corner and explained to management that a job like that requires notice if it's to be done in the future and not to expect us to get it done ASAP once the mood takes them. Obviously I am in the bad books for pointing out another managers mistake. But when my coworker was questioned he said that he would have done it if I had told him how much pressure I was under.

See this was you taking complete ownership of the task, not pointing out that the only reason you were doing the job was the other lad never had any intention of doing it.
You took the manager to task when the manager never gave you the task, and never expected you to do the task.
The lad then reinforces that it was your responsibility not his.

The major problem also was that he didn't actually leave the yard to do this job of his for 3 hours after the initial phone call because he was asked to load a horse for one of the owners and usually the owners leave a good tip when that happens.

See here he was free to do a job that you could have ended up with and got the tip

I'm just wore from dealing with him and realise that I am going on a bit!

If the keys for the machines or doors are going missing you should first ask around to check that no one has them in a pocket and if he is still hiding them report the loss to the managers on the spot, by text if its not an emergency and that you can substitute the machine by doing X. Ditto on the breakdowns, agree with whatever manager is in charge of the machines that you will text a breakdown report, or fill in whatever report that is required.

Sort out your pay if you are on the bottom rung and doing a lot of unpaid overtime this needs to be addressed.
You should not be doing overtime as a direct result of your coworker, if this is happening you should make the managers aware and ask them to approve the OT before doing any of his work.

As for the unused stores get this on a formal footing even if it's a note book where you list what you are taking and get it signed off by a manager, don't ever let yourself end up in a position where you could be accused of theft, even suggest paying a small amount per load. The managers may not be aware of what he is doing and if anything goes missing you are the first person they will look to.

The managers appear to appreciate your hard work and enthusiasm in putting in suggestions. You just need to get your head around the what's his work and what's your work, and learn to say no.

Glass fused light

gr8 m8 wrote: »

My point is that he meets the managers every day in passing and they tell him what jobs are to be done, he then picks what jobs he fancies and I get the rest. He constantly rings the main manager and that manager tells me that he is driven mad from his constant attention seeking. Where he tells me that I am the opposite because he knows that if I ring him that he knows I have done something and have ran out of ideas to fix it! I might contact him twice a month where he hears from the other lad up to 5 times daily.

Suggest a roster system is implemented with all the possible jobs listed and it's stuck up in a common area. The managers have to manage it and assign tasks not employees picking what they want to do.

gr8 m8

Hello, I just wanted to firstly thank you for all your responses.

I agree with all of what you are telling me and I suppose that I just got caught up in the pettiness of it all. I can't say that I am completely innocent in it all because if he takes the key out of the tractor I usually come in early the next day with a spare key and move it to the other side of the yard just to make my point!

It wasn't that I wasn't able to do that job, it was the time constraints that were placed on it. I do that job 99% of the time. It's just that one of the young managers messed up and knew from experience that I would have not been happy with an early morning phone call about it, so to ring the other lad was the easiest option. But the other lad should have explained why it wasn't that simple to do.

My head manager who gives me the surplus and I get on really well with has told me that this guy won't last but I think different. He is always getting his friends in to do odd jobs and getting a lend of this and that from them for use in the stud! Even if the stud rents a trailer off one of his friends then the first thing he does is let's me know that only he has permission to use it so it usually ends up with him staying in the tractor all day and I am on the ground shoveling or whatever!

He is to important to his friends while he is here to leave and he is the type of lad who would love that attention!

gr8 m8

Jesus, he really has me tied in a knot doesn't he!

Glass fused light

gr8 m8 wrote: »

come in early the next day with a spare key
It wasn't that I wasn't able to do that job, it was the time constraints
the first thing he does is let's me know that only he has permission to use it so it usually ends up with him staying in the tractor all day and I am on the ground shoveling or whatever!
!

Keys etc should remain on site if it belongs to the job it stays there, you do the job and leave everything back so that if you are out sick etc there is no problem and the lad can't say the only reason the he has the key is that you bring one home.

Reword the context that you did not have the time but make it clear if the lad is given a job he is the one doing the job.
It was that simple to do because he knew he was not doing it, ^^ see you taking ownership of what the lad should have done? If you were not asked by a manager don't make it your problem.

The machinery needs to be sorted out by the manager who is accepting it, either everyone is covered on all the machines on the stud or the manager has to account your extra manual labor and you need to make it clear that you are not going to be taken advantage of.

gr8 m8

Sorry, I wasn't clear on that! The spare key I have belongs to my own personal tractor at home which is the same make and similar model to the tractor in work. They are interchangeable basically.

gr8 m8

Hello.

So I did some asking around the yard from people that I get on well with and would mostly believe what they tell me!

One of the men there who is self employed but has a retainer from the stud told me that my coworker is not to be trusted. He said that he has heard stories about him and believes him to be a hang man / rat who seems to be bringing back stories to the office.

Then another man who I get along very well with told me that he was talking to the coworker today and somehow it came out that he was saying that he was going into the office soon to ask for an increase in wages! I thought that it was odd because I got the two of us an increase in wages about 10 weeks ago.

However, my coworker tells my friend that he is getting the same amount as he always got but I know for a fact that his wages increased by€100 the same week mine did because my manager told me that we both got the same increase because that was a major part of the terms I laid out when I looked for the increase and I told my coworker straight away.

Obviously this lad can't lie straight in the bed, but I am just left wondering how far this deception goes and am I playing with fire if I try to change anything. I have no problem creating hassle but I'm a big believer that if you stir the pot then be prepared to lick the spoon so I would leave happily enough after it all if it comes to that.

I'm just curious because to me the whole thing sounds like a circus and I can't see how anything gets done. Is this a typical example of the runnings of a place with a sizable work force? I'm more used to working in smaller places and this carry on is proving to be exhausting.

gozunda

gr8 m8 wrote: »

Hello.

So I did some asking around the yard from people that I get on well with and would mostly believe what they tell me!

One of the men there who is self employed but has a retainer from the stud told me that my coworker is not to be trusted. He said that he has heard stories about him and believes him to be a hang man / rat who seems to be bringing back stories to the office.

Then another man who I get along very well with told me that he was talking to the coworker today and somehow it came out that he was saying that he was going into the office soon to ask for an increase in wages! I thought that it was odd because I got the two of us an increase in wages about 10 weeks ago.

However, my coworker tells my friend that he is getting the same amount as he always got but I know for a fact that his wages increased by€100 the same week mine did because my manager told me that we both got the same increase because that was a major part of the terms I laid out when I looked for the increase and I told my coworker straight away.

Obviously this lad can't lie straight in the bed, but I am just left wondering how far this deception goes and am I playing with fire if I try to change anything. I have no problem creating hassle but I'm a big believer that if you stir the pot then be prepared to lick the spoon so I would leave happily enough after it all if it comes to that.

I'm just curious because to me the whole thing sounds like a circus and I can't see how anything gets done. Is this a typical example of the runnings of a place with a sizable work force? I'm more used to working in smaller places and this carry on is proving to be exhausting.

Your co-worker sounds toxic. You are not going to fix him. If possible get moved to a different section or yard and ensure that your duties, contract and reporting structure are set out properly.

Seems like you were used by other re. the wage increase and facilitating him generally. Lesson learned - move on.

gr8 m8

Hello and good morning.

I tried to get moved and even handed in my notice. That was when the manager told me that he wouldn't last and I can't get moved because out of about 100 people that go through the gate every day only 3 of us can drive a tractor apparently and the third lad is only part time.

I actually really like working here but this lad is just sapping more and more of my energy every day! And he is just such a brown nose to everyone that it is driving me demented. Everyone except me that is!

I blew up on him last week and told him what I think of him and that he was to stay away from me in the future and yesterday one of the managers rang me to sort out a few days off but the other lad is taken days off also. So now I have to talk to him so we can sort out what days we want so that we don't take the same day off!

Doctors room ghost

gr8 m8 wrote: »

Hello and good morning.

I tried to get moved and even handed in my notice. That was when the manager told me that he wouldn't last and I can't get moved because out of about 100 people that go through the gate every day only 3 of us can drive a tractor apparently and the third lad is only part time.

I actually really like working here but this lad is just sapping more and more of my energy every day! And he is just such a brown nose to everyone that it is driving me demented. Everyone except me that is!

I blew up on him last week and told him what I think of him and that he was to stay away from me in the future and yesterday one of the managers rang me to sort out a few days off but the other lad is taken days off also. So now I have to talk to him so we can sort out what days we want so that we don't take the same day off!

You are a fool if you leave a job you enjoy doing because of that arse hole annoying you.if he is just a Co worker I would totally ignore the fukr and if he is delegating jobs to you block the fukr on your phone and ignore him.your duty lies with management,you take orders from them.and boll1x to helping him do his work.thats only enabling a cnut who would step over your body if you fell.
Go in each morning and do the job well and get off out home then.get paid and fcuk it after that.if I was you I would tighten up the professionalism too if you could no offense. I wouldn’t be bothered with bartering over fodder with management.keep it professional.get paid to do the job and do it well.bartering over feed and slobbering only gives some people leverage.buy feed outside of work.
Stay at the job if you like it but you want to forget about that sack of sh1te you call a Co worker and get on with things cos if the sh1te hawking stays going on management will get a pain and boot ye both up the road.your other Co workers will soon get a pain in the hole listening to ye moaning too and asking for opinions and the place will be toxic.

Doctors room ghost

And it’s not your problem if ye both had the same days booked off.its managements responsibility to roster staff surely so why would you have to ring sh1te bag to come to an agreement.thats just boll1x.if you need the day off explain that to your management and take it from there.its Mickey Mouse territory if you have to ring a Co worker.fcuk that.block him off your phone and get on with things.

gr8 m8

Hello sir. Where have you been all my life?

I do agree and admire your aggression and clarity of thought!

Okay, so I am going to have to meet this problem straight on and stop thinking that it will get better on its own! That much is obvious.

I have aired my problem with the head manager that I answer directly to and he has had words with him on a few occasions but it just seems to go in one ear and out the other! That manager has also said to me "sure what can I do? We are short staffed and he is good at the jobs he likes doing!".

So what is my next step? The management here leaves a lot to be desired. The good ones are too busy working and the bad ones are too busy smoking and trying to get the jump off the female jockey's! And I have only come to realise with that statement that we have no female management at present!

Doctors room ghost

gr8 m8 wrote: »

Hello sir. Where have you been all my life?

I do agree and admire your aggression and clarity of thought!

Okay, so I am going to have to meet this problem straight on and stop thinking that it will get better on its own! That much is obvious.

I have aired my problem with the head manager that I answer directly to and he has had words with him on a few occasions but it just seems to go in one ear and out the other! That manager has also said to me "sure what can I do? We are short staffed and he is good at the jobs he likes doing!".

So what is my next step? The management here leaves a lot to be desired. The good ones are too busy working and the bad ones are too busy smoking and trying to get the jump off the female jockey's! And I have only come to realise with that statement that we have no female management at present!

You don’t have to meet any problem straight on.all you have to do is turn up for work on time and do the work in a professional and efficient manner.do the best you can in the job and get the fcuk out of there when it’s done and forget about all the other sh1te.
If it’s a job you enjoy and are happy with as a career belt away at it and enjoy it.
Block the boll1x that’s annoying you and forget about it.look after your own work that you are responsible for and after that you should have no worries.you are not responsible for other peoples actions so forget about them.

gr8 m8

Hello.

So today one of the lad's that I get on really well with in work rang me for a chat. It turns out that the manager was asking all types of questions about me and my fued with my coworker.

He wanted to know if I was being too hard on him, he said that he was too busy to have to deal with it, he said that at least the coworker takes pride in his tractor because he cleans it and I never clean mine.

He openly admitted to catching the coworker out in lie after lie. But said that I was honest and reliable which is good I suppose! Buy the fact that the other lad is all that he is but that is excusable because his tractor is clean is a bit frustrating all the same!

The part time worker is finished with college and was in full time this week and after 3 days with my coworker he said that he is one of the biggest idiots he has ever met! That is after 3days and I have had it for over 6 month!

Is all this in any way considered normal in a job?

Pelvis

Jesus christ op, just ignore the guy.

Postgrad10

Just coming on on this now. I think you need to stop the calls with the workers too especially if all they do is carry on stories about him ( then they probably talk about you too!!), they are not your friends , they are your colleagues and that's all. As for the student, ignore his comments and don't get in to discussion about others with him. As others have said do your job to the best of your ability and keep an eye out on the job adverts to se if anything better pops up. You need to keep on good terms with your boss in case you need a reference.

gr8 m8

Hello

Thank you for your replies. I agree that they are not my friends but about 2 of them I go out for a pint with on the odd weekend and we bounce ideas off each other.

I would rarely partake in the slandering of my problem coworker, I have lost it with the manager once or twice I will admit because he would question why the work is not done but we always parted on good terms.

When people i don't trust say anything about the coworker I just tell them that is his way, I admit that it can be infuriating but that he good at the jobs that he chooses to do.

Over the last few days I have come to the conclusion that it is a problem for management that has arisen for a lack of management.

Oh, and I cleaned my tractor today also!

5rtytry56

Postgrad10 wrote: »

.......You need to keep on good terms with your boss in case you need a reference.

Suck it up OP.

gr8 m8

Hello again.

Well I took on all your advice and the last month has been manageable. But it's all gone wrong!

We were crazy busy all last week, 12 and 14 hour days, blistering heat and fraying tempers! We all got through it but then we got a dressing down for not keeping up with the day to day running of the work place such as tidying up and general checking.

I just lost it with the manager and he in turn lost it with me. My opinion is that he wouldn't listen to reason, constantly shouting over me and roaring at me to calm down. I was then told that I was being sent home because they no longer wanted me in the work place because of my temperament.

I told him that we were understaffed, needed better and more machinery and that the distribution of work was not even or fair! My manager told me that it was not his fault. If I have any other complaints then I can bring them to the owners.

I handed in my notice in temper for the third time and about an hour later the manager rings asking me what my problem is. I told him that I was exhausted and he tells me that I should find someone to talk to. I disagree with him completely but he won't listen. I have to ring him on Monday morning to ask permission to return to work!

Is this normal carry on?

5rtytry56

gr8 m8 wrote: »

Hello again.


I handed in my notice in temper for the third time........ I disagree with him completely but he won't listen

Is this normal carry on?

OP, you are asking the wrong question.

gr8 m8

What question should I be asking?

Is it if I should leave?

Batgurl

But OP...you quit?!?

Why on earth do you think you are returning to work?

amcalester

Batgurl wrote: »

But OP...you quit?!?

Why on earth do you think you are returning to work?

He still has to work out his notice.

So he phones up to see if they want him to work out his notice.

If they don’t then the OP should ask if they’re putting him on gardening leave and if he’ll be paid or if he’s been fired.

An important distinction when/if OP tries to sign on.

gr8 m8

The manager rang me up and told me that he doesn't want to hear from the office that I quit! He maintains that I am just exhausted and fooked off but it will pass and he is going to talk to me tomorrow at work!

Westwood

Bloody culchies it wouldn't happen in the pale we'd drive a pitch fork up their you know what!

HeidiHeidi

gr8 m8 wrote: »

The manager rang me up and told me that he doesn't want to hear from the office that I quit! He maintains that I am just exhausted and fooked off but it will pass and he is going to talk to me tomorrow at work!

So what's your plan for this conversation? You need to have one.



They're all running rings around you so that everything suits them, and you wind up shafted (I don't mean that to sound insulting).


You need to get things straight in your head before you meet the manager and be able to explain things clearly, logically and calmly from your perspective. And have a plan for things going forward, which involves you doing YOUR work and no-one else's.

gr8 m8

Westwood wrote: »

Bloody culchies it wouldn't happen in the pale we'd drive a pitch fork up their you know what!

What are you talking about?

gr8 m8

Hello.

I showed up at work today and got sent home by the manager. I have to take holidays and think about what I want! I asked how long I'm taking and got told not to be stupid. I asked if I could contact work in 2 days and he told me that I was only trying to annoy him.

I'm on thin ice by all accounts and I have to apologise for handing in my notice if I hope to keep the job. I said that if I have caused so much trouble then I will leave and it will be sorted. That really seemed to get under his skin.

In a 20 minute conversation which the manager said "this has to be a civil conversation" I probably said 50 words of which most was yes and okay! But I still got dressed down and shouted at and told that a business was being run and not a child care facility. No more throwing toys out of the cot.

I was told that not many people would get so much time from management and I should be thankful. I didn't have the nerve to say how I put in a 60 hour week on average but only get paid for 40. I use my phone and car for doing their jobs and get no allowance for it.

I hate to leave because I have put so much into the place but I can't really stay if it's going to be on egg shells and I can't look sideways. Obviously I know I am only a number and can be replaced but to receive an ultimatum of shape up or ship out has just irritated me considering my service to them.

I'm tied in a knot here!

Batgurl

OP I’m still confused ( along with, I’d imagine, many others reading this).

Is this right? You announced you were quitting and stormed off? But now you regret your decision and want to keep your job? But you don’t think you should have to apologise, or ask for it back? Why on earth not?

The place sounds like a crap place to work, so either accept that and put up with it OR leave. You are so down the food chain that’s ITS NOT YOUR JOB to decide if there is enough staff on or the correct equipment; that’s your managers job. If anyone tries to give out to you about that, cut them off and direct them to your manager. But seriously stop caring so much. It’s not your job!

gr8 m8

Hello.

Thank you for the reply. I will gladly leave but I can't seem to get around the manager! I handed in my notice to the office and was told that I would have to tell my manager directly. I did that and was banned from work for the weekend, I was told to take holidays until I get permission to return. I didn't hear anything from anyone so showed up this morning because if nothing else I want to work out my notice time. I don't want it said to future employers that I just walked out one day.

Last time I said I was leaving, the manager broke down in front of me saying that he is doing his best and now the owners are going to blame him and it's all going to be his fault! I explained that I am wrecked and sick of being the first in and last out and working through lunch and not having the equipment to get jobs done. He told me that he would make me a manager and the power and back me in my decisions. I declined because I just don't have the time or the knowledge of other people's jobs to enforce it, and also no money was mentioned.

To be honest I can't think of how they got around me the first time I quit! I really hate being the boy that cries wolf but nothing in work seems straight forward.

Batgurl

Ok so if you are happy to leave then remind him via text that your verbal notice was delivered to him last Friday and your last day will be 4 weeks from that date.

You are happy to be given 4 weeks paid leave in lieu of working your notice if that is what he wishes and that he should let you know via text if he wishes to amend any of the above.

Then do not answer any calls and do not call into the office. Make them come to you. Start looking for new jobs in your 4 paid weeks off. Best of luck.

whelan2

Just leave. You don't need this stress. There are plenty more jobs were you will be treated properly

gr8 m8

Hello again.

I just wanted to ask about this 4 week thinking. I have been there for about 15 months, I get paid weekly (although last week I never received my wages). So does that change the circumstances in relation to this 4 weeks leave.

I would rather just leave without stirring the pot any more than necessary.i don't have the energy anymore to go up against them. There is so much I want to say but no one seems interested in what I want to say.

gr8 m8

I just got an email saying that I am paid. Are they on this?

WillyWonkaBar

Just finished reading your thread and wow. Sounds like you have been working in quite a toxic environment where your voice just isn't heard and doesn't want to be heard.

I can't offer any more advice but all I will say is when the ordeal is over and you're out of there, make sure you take a little time for yourself and destress. Constant frustrations and stress is not good for your health and it's important to get a break from that.