Part worn tyres - discontinued

corcaigh1

Visited a reputable part worn tyre dealer here in cork and 2 others also recently, stated they are not importing part worn tyre's anymore due to new government taxes levies etc....any tyre dealers on here comment on this?



Bit of a disaster really, was grand to get my 18" tyre's part worn as they are very expensive per corner otherwise...

jacksie66

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corcaigh1

jacksie66 wrote: »

For something like tyres I always buy new and splash out in a decent set. They're pretty vital and with part worn tyres you don't know the history of them. My opinion anyway.

Indeed, people have their opinions about them with safety etc but I always got branded (michelin, conti, bridgestone etc) part worns with good dates and at least 5mm thread for €40-45 a corner compared to €150-200 new. Id trust branded part worns over the brand new €80 chinese imported tyre's.



In all my years using part worns I have never had any issues with them and I drive hard and have had to brake hard also on a few occasions...

testicles

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Isambard

how can you tell they didn't come from a seriously crashed vehicle especially as they've been imported form god knows where?

tossy

Never got the thinking behind part worn tyres. Sure you can get good tyres for cheap but you are only getting half a lifespan out of them so are buying good tyres for cheaper twice and getting probably less miles than you would from the same tyres bought new.

colm_mcm

Kinda the same logic as asking why people only tax their car for 3 or 6 months instead of a year.

corcaigh1

tossy wrote: »

Never got the thinking behind part worn tyres. Sure you can get good tyres for cheap but you are only getting half a lifespan out of them so are buying good tyres for cheaper twice and getting probably less miles than you would from the same tyres bought new.

I was getting 18" branded part worns for 40-45 each so only buying a set a year at €180 compared to new every two years at €600



600
(360)
=240 saving





That's how I justified it...

meeeeh

If you have money for a car that needs 18 inch tyres you should be able to maintain it properly. Especially if you as you say 'drive and brake hard'. How would you know the tyres aren't overly used because rubber is so hard (old, wrong storage) it's actually not doing it's job.

listermint

meeeeh wrote: »

If you have money for a car that needs 18 inch tyres you should be able to maintain it properly. Especially if you as you say 'drive and brake hard'. How would you know the tyres aren't overly used because rubber is so hard (old, wrong storage) it's actually not doing it's job.

Tbf. Date stamps and appearance.

corcaigh1

meeeeh wrote: »

If you have money for a car that needs 18 inch tyres you should be able to maintain it properly. Especially if you as you say 'drive and brake hard'. How would you know the tyres aren't overly used because rubber is so hard (old, wrong storage) it's actually not doing it's job.

Almost every car has part-worn tyres...

Bad part-worn tyre's - death trap.
Good, tested part-worn tyre's - fine.

meeeeh

corcaigh1 wrote: »

Almost every car has part-worn tyres...

Bad part-worn tyre's - death trap.
Good, tested part-worn tyre's - fine.

Who tests them and how sure are you that they were properly tested?

listermint

meeeeh wrote: »

Who tests them and how sure are you that they were properly tested?

The nct every year ..

Toyotafanboi

meeeeh wrote: »

Who tests them and how sure are you that they were properly tested?

To be fair, most, if not all tyre defects can be found easily during a visual check before the tyre is fitted and any remaining issues can be spotted as soon an a tyre is inflated, balanced and fitted.

What defects should we be aware of that can't be spotted during a visual inspection and balancing?

meeeeh

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

To be fair, most, if not all tyre defects can be found easily during a visual check before the tyre is fitted and any remaining issues can be spotted as soon an a tyre is inflated, balanced and fitted.

What defects should we be aware of that can't be spotted during a visual inspection and balancing?

The ones that were not properly store especially if they come from a somewhere where people swap their summer and winter tyres.

There are plenty of decent used tyres but somehow they tend to be the most popular among more aggressive drivers who should be the most careful what tyres they buy.

grogi

meeeeh wrote: »

The ones that were not properly store especially if they come from a somewhere where people swap their summer and winter tyres.

There would be a massive radial difference. You will feel immediately

The biggest danger is when tyre was used underinflated. But even that you should be able to spot by the wear pattern.

listermint

meeeeh wrote: »

The ones that were not properly store especially if they come from a somewhere where people swap their summer and winter tyres.

There are plenty of decent used tyres but somehow they tend to be the most popular among more aggressive drivers who should be the most careful what tyres they buy.

That's last paragraph.


Hilarious..

meeeeh

listermint wrote: »

That's last paragraph.


Hilarious..

Is it? My parents have a garage, it was the running joke about the typical customers for those tyres. And plenty were looking through the tyres that were already discarded hoping to find a gem.

Del2005

listermint wrote: »

The nct every year ..

The NCT check the date and thread depth. If you consider that a proper check of tyres of unknown origin then please let me know when you are driving so I can get off the road.

Toyotafanboi

Del2005 wrote: »

The NCT check the date and thread depth. If you consider that a proper check of tyres of unknown origin then please let me know when you are driving so I can get off the road.

They also do a visual check for other defects like gouges, bulges, delamination, perishing, improper mounting and direction. They are all easy checks and a trained eye will spot a defect in seconds.

What would you consider is a fair way to inspect a tyre?

Yawns

Del2005 wrote: »

The NCT check the date and thread depth. If you consider that a proper check of tyres of unknown origin then please let me know when you are driving so I can get off the road.

They also inspect the sidewalls for signs of damage and will fail you if needed. Sister's car failed about 4 years ago for small damage to sidewall. Quite rightly failed too, so two new tyres were bought.

Philb76

Do people buy a second hand car and put brand new tyres on it no unless needed so they don't know history of the tyres if they look legal and safe its good enough for most

JohnBoy26

Yawns wrote: »

They also inspect the sidewalls for signs of damage and will fail you if needed. Sister's car failed about 4 years ago for small damage to sidewall. Quite rightly failed too, so two new tyres were bought.

They can only do visual checks on the tyres, checks that you can do yourself. They aren't that stringent either. They won't fail a tyre with cracks unless it's very bad. They can't check the internals of a tyre.

Don't fool yourselfs. A pass in a nct doesn't mean the tyre is good.

Isambard

Philb76 wrote: »

Do people buy a second hand car and put brand new tyres on it no unless needed so they don't know history of the tyres if they look legal and safe its good enough for most

no they don't but they don't put on tyres from an unknown source if they're sensible. Where do all these part worns come from? Got to be mainly written off cars in my view, who knows what stresses they have endurred

Wibbs

Isambard wrote: »

Got to be mainly written off cars in my view, who knows what stresses they have endurred

meeeeh wrote: »

There are plenty of decent used tyres but somehow they tend to be the most popular among more aggressive drivers who should be the most careful what tyres they buy.

And this folks is how vested interests get people to spend more.

beefburrito

There's a big difference between driving with new tyres and part worn.

Most of the part worn tyres are buckled, out of shape and will make driving very uneven.

I tried the part worn tyres before there was an awful noise coming from the road when I drove fast, and the car had a slight wobble.

They can really Fck up suspicion too

enricoh

listermint wrote: »

That's last paragraph.


Hilarious..

In fairness to him,I used to work at tyres too n it was always boyracers in looking for any crap at all for the 18" rims.
Used to lash out winter tyres all year round, 4-5 mm left on them and we couldn't keep them in stock. I'd say they are some job on tarmac over the last few scorching days!
Only one question was asked - how much!

grogi

meeeeh wrote: »

Is it? My parents have a garage, it was the running joke about the typical customers for those tyres. And plenty were looking through the tyres that were already discarded hoping to find a gem.

That's just shy of $hite eating really...

I bought a pair of part worns for one of the cars. Three year old matched Contis with 6.5mm left. But it took a long while to find anything that was worth looking at (it was at the dawn of the regulations and supply was limited).

I would not do it again honestly because it was so time consuming - but I don't discard part worns just because they have been used before.

AndyBoBandy

colm_mcm wrote: »

Kinda the same logic as asking why people only tax their car for 3 or 6 months instead of a year.

Or putting €20 of fuel in every 2-3 days as opposed to filling the tank every week/10 days

Isambard

Isambard wrote: »

no they don't but they don't put on tyres from an unknown source if they're sensible. Where do all these part worns come from? Got to be mainly written off cars in my view, who knows what stresses they have endurred

What knowledge have you of the tyre on a second hand car aside from the fact you know the car they are on. Doesn't tell you what sort it life they had, how well they were looked after, sure they may well even have been part worn tyres fitted to the car.

It's totally illogical to fear fitting part worn tyres while having no issue driving a second hand car which has "part worn" tyres on it.

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Or putting €20 of fuel in every 2-3 days as opposed to filling the tank every week/10 days

Part worn tyres are a lot cheaper than new tyres though so these comparisons don't really make sense. Two sets of part worn tyres cost much less than one new set of tyres.

Just for the record I buy new premium tyres but I see nothing wrong with using part worn either.

Isambard

Oscar Obedient Dragonfly wrote: »

What knowledge have you of the tyre on a second hand car aside from the fact you know the car they are on. Doesn't tell you what sort it life they had, how well they were looked after, sure they may well even have been part worn tyres fitted to the car.

It's totally illogical to fear fitting part worn tyres while having no issue driving a second hand car which has "part worn" tyres on it.



Part worn tyres are a lot cheaper than new tyres though so these comparisons don't really make sense. Two sets of part worn tyres cost much less than one new set of tyres.

Just for the record I buy new premium tyres but I see nothing wrong with using part worn either.

i could probably tell if the car had been in a major accident, which was my point. You can't tell that from a used tyre.

Isambard

Isambard wrote: »

i could probably tell if the car had been in a major accident, which was my point. You can't tell that from a used tyre.

But if the tyres are inspected and are in good condition then they are fine to use. Whether or not it was in an accident is a red herring.

Simple kerbing of tyres could have a bigger impact on a tyre than an accident.

dav32cs

Swap ' part worn' for ' used' and 'tyre' for 'car' ( and you could insert any other item really)in the sentences to see how uninformed some of the statements are.

'I wouldn't trust a used car because you don't know what wear and tear it's been through'

'Sure an nct is only a basic check, just because it passes doesn't mean it's fully safe'

'I don't understand why someone would buy a used car when they dont know the full history when they could just buy a new one instead'

More people would be able to easily identify a defect in a tyre over potential serious faults in a car. I've seen cars that looked fine from the top but underneath were obviously crashed repairs, or ones that seemed fine and the engine blew a couple hundred km later. It doesn't mean no one should buy used cars.

Any tyre that's been in a serious collision especially front end/side on is likely not going to be up to any sort of even visual standard to resell and other less serious defects can be spotted too.

The same as anything that's not new there's going to be a wide spectrum from good to bad so you just have to have an extra look when buying. I swap between new and part worn' depending what's available but I've got 4 'part worn' tyres that came off a trade in from a garage that still had about 90% wear left on them.

It's not a case that all part worn tyres have come from a car that's been in a serious impact and have been patch worked together to pass a sale to some unsuspecting person.

jimbis

To answer the original question, part worn tyres are still widely available in ireland.
Part worn tyres can't be sold if the company is registered with the Irish tyre industry association so that would be the reason why some places are telling you the market is discontinued.

Yawns

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

They can only do visual checks on the tyres, checks that you can do yourself. They aren't that stringent either. They won't fail a tyre with cracks unless it's very bad. They can't check the internals of a tyre.

Don't fool yourselfs. A pass in a nct doesn't mean the tyre is good.

If I'm buying part worns I inspect them fully before they go on my car. I've no problem with used tyres being bought and used, but you need to fully inspect them first.

I normally only buy new by ordering them online myself but more and more have found it a struggle to find someone to fit them for a fee. To buy new from the garages themselves, the markup seems to be huge. I'll buy a new tyre online for circa 70 - 90 per corner. New from garage the prices seem to range from 140 - 190 per corner when I ask and they can only tell you over the phone the brand name of tyre, never the particular model of tyre. Part worns are about 35 per corner and I get to inspect the set fully before they go near the car.

ayux4rj6zql2ph

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wexie

You'd swear some people think tires can only ever exist in one of 2 states....either brand new or completely screwed.
And seemingly they change from one state to the next with nothing in between

wexie

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

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They aren't....although admittedly I'm not sure if you can buy road tire remoulds, but you sure can 4x4

https://www.google.ie/search?q=insa+turbo&rlz=1C1CHBF_enIE787IE787&oq=insa+turbo&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.4279j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

honda boi

With some of the replies and thoughts of part worn tyres in this thread,I'm surprised there's not lots of tyres blown left right and centre in the country.

wexie

honda boi wrote: »

With some of the replies and thoughts of part worn tyres in this thread,I'm surprised there's not lots of tyres blown left right and centre in the country.

maybe it's cause part worn tires aren't always the death traps some people seem to think they are?

ayux4rj6zql2ph

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wexie

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

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No they're very reasonable actually, and, if you treat them for what they are* pretty decent value for money.

https://www.tyres-pneus-online.ie/car-tyres/insa-turbo/dakar/265-75-r16-112-q.html

*that means don't stick them on a V8 range rover and go acting the maggot on the motorway because you're expecting the cheap remoulds to perform the same as premium brands.


EDIT : actually just had a look on Insa Turbo's website and it would appear they do have 'road car' tires :
http://www.insaturbo.com/fam/en/familia/1/1/touring-car/0 and they do seem to be available in Ireland

Wibbs

jimbis wrote: »

Part worn tyres can't be sold if the company is registered with the Irish tyre industry association.

Not a shock J. I've bought past worn before and new, but either way I have long refused to pay the "Paddy Tax" on so many items, motoring related or not and usually get them online. The savings can be quite substantial. As Yawns notes the markup can go from a bit much to daylight bloody robbery. The last set of four tyres I got if I had gone "local" the best "deal" I got would have me lighter in pocket by 150(one crowd would have been 200 more) quid and they would have been the previous model. Sod that. I'm happy to go local if I'm not been taken roughly from behind.

listermint

Bought a car recently the prebious ownere had put pirellis pzeros on it .

It was near touch and go how I managed to drive home from the UK with the car because once I handed over the cash to him the car because second hand and everything on it too.

I was very lucky . Phone the wife every hour just to check in.

Next time I think I'll just get the car delivered on the back of a lorry so I can have it delivered to an Irish tyre shop straight away.

I mean I shouldn't be on the roads. I'll have to notify boards users before I drive it.

mullingar

beefburrito wrote: »

There's a big difference between driving with new tyres and part worn.

Most of the part worn tyres are buckled, out of shape and will make driving very uneven.

I tried the part worn tyres before there was an awful noise coming from the road when I drove fast, and the car had a slight wobble.

They can really Fck up suspicion too

What a load of cobblers.

The only correct thing you have said is the difference in feel with new and used. Yes that's the same with every tyre.

I think you have a commercial interest giving out false information like that, and if you do, please advise.

99% of part worn tyres would be still perfectly round and have XXmm of thread left. All you need to do is throughly inspect them before you buy. You also have an opportunity to inspect the inside to see if there is any internal damage too.

If you did get a bad tyre that had uneven runout, just bring it back.

How on earth can a tyre F up your suspension?

khaldrogo

listermint wrote:

The nct every year ..

If this is what you use to gauge the condition of tyres then your fcuked!!!!!

NCT will pass tyres as old as you. They will pass tyres that are bald on the shoulder but have 1.7mm of tread on the central 3/4 of the tyre. They will pass a car with different size tyres front and back on a vehicle that is ABSOLUTELY not meant to have this set up.

The NCT and it's testers are an absolute joke and I personally know at least 10 testers in dublin.

khaldrogo

Toyotafanboi wrote:

To be fair, most, if not all tyre defects can be found easily during a visual check before the tyre is fitted and any remaining issues can be spotted as soon an a tyre is inflated, balanced and fitted.

Toyotafanboi wrote:

What defects should we be aware of that can't be spotted during a visual inspection and balancing?

That's all well and good if you are the one personally sourcing and fitting the tyre.

Some of the scrap tyres I've seen in my time that were 'brand new used' tyres as the owners stated would shock you. Most well over 10 yrs old, some with plugs in the side wall fitted wrong rotation to hide it.

I don't care how poor I am, I will at least put a good mid range tyre on my car before a scrap tyre.

khaldrogo

Yawns wrote:

.......so two new tyres were bought.

Good

khaldrogo

Philb76 wrote:

Do people buy a second hand car and put brand new tyres on it no unless needed so they don't know history of the tyres if they look legal and safe its good enough for most

Depends on whats on it......cheap shiite or anything over 4/5 years or anything with less than 3mm then yes.

enricoh

I don't have a whole pile of faith in the nct but at least they will spot a defective Tyre.
Fitted part worns before that looked the part on fitting and came back with a bulge the size of your fist. Fine if the bulge is on the outside u'd spot it no bother, possibly lethal if on the inside.
Plus the fact half the part worns here are winter tyres that are scrapped in Germany etc at 4mm

You don't get that kinda crap with new tyres.

mullingar

enricoh wrote: »

I...... Fine if the bulge is on the outside u'd spot it no bother, possibly lethal if on the inside..

A bulge is caused by the tyre air pressure pushing on a weakness in the side wall, its physically not possible to bulge inwards due to pressure differences