'Ireland is the most corrupt country in the Western world'

archer22

dxhound2005 wrote: »

If Ireland is the most corrupt country, that means Irish people are the most corrupt people. Just by sheer numbers there are bound to be many more corrupt people in the private sector, which accounts for more than 80% of workers and bosses.

To me the most corrupt people would gravitate to where there is the most money. The top brass in the private sector take home easily 20 times as much as any person in politics or the public sector generally. And they are not subject to so much scrutiny like that from SIPO or the various oversight bodies regulating the Gardai.

Yeah plenty of them across the private sector as well,their names are well known.

Business interests, Banking and charities...including one of the biggest scams in world history the Irish Hospital Sweepstakes...a scam that was perpetrated by private businessmen with the connivance of the Irish government to rip off millions of people around the world, plus ripping off their own staff and the hospitals they were supposed to be helping.
And then there was the journalist who exposed it..he ended up shunned by all and sundry and had to leave Ireland to find employment.
Which exposes the lapdog attitude of a large segment of the media in Ireland who will hang their own out to dry if they dare step on the toes of the powerful and rich.

derfderf

gozunda wrote: »

Yeah I get it - however it's not a competition.

The thread title kind of makes it a competition. The question is are we winning.

gozunda

derfderf wrote: »

The thread title kind of makes it a competition. The question is are we winning.

What that specifically referred to was other posters example of corruption as if that somehow excuses corruption here

Looking at even at a small section of the history of corruption even without comparison with others - there is some serious ****e going on in this country...

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057867072/3/#post108080681

El_Duderino 09

I have haven’t read the whole thread but has anyone pointed out that there’s an actual measure of national corruption?

Transparent international does the analysis
https://www.transparency.org/news/feature/corruption_perceptions_index_2017

Ireland is 19th least corrupt country in the world. Room for improvements but not bad by any means. And we’re far from the most corrupt country in the West.

It’s important to always spot the weaknesses so we can deal with them, but it’s also important to be grateful for the fact that we live in an incredibly well run part of the world.

Franz Von Peppercorn

gozunda wrote: »

What that specifically referred to was other posters example of corruption as if that somehow excuses corruption here

Looking at even at a small section of the history of corruption even without comparison with others - there is some serious ****e going on in this country...

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057867072/3/#post108080681

The title invites comparisons with other countries.

The US, home of Lehman’s, bought and paid for politicians, bailouts and about a missing trillion in the pentagon budget is worse than Ireland. The EU can’t audit their budget.

The U.K. is marginally better and Sweden is historically better. That’s about it.

gozunda

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

The title invites comparisons with other countries.
The US, home of Lehman’s, bought and paid for politicians, bailouts and about a missing trillion in the pentagon budget is worse than Ireland. The EU can’t audit their budget.
The U.K. is marginally better and Sweden is historically better. That’s about it.

It does but that's what the comments you jumped on were about capiche?

Again much of it is relative - it depends what you compare and who you compare ..

c montgomery

See below corruption index

Ireland is 19 out of 180 countries with 1 being least corrupt and 180 most corrupt.

https://www.transparency.org/news/feature/corruption_perceptions_index_2017#table

Franz Von Peppercorn

gozunda wrote: »

It does but that's what the comments were about capiche?

Again much of it is relative - it depends what you compare and who you compare ..

That’s exactly what we are doing. And of course it’s relative. The title invites relative comparisons with the western world.

That said the 180 countries most if the least corrupt countries are western. If someone had the time they could world out where ireland was in that western list.

The U.K. is 8th by comparison.

gozunda

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

That’s exactly what we are doing. And of course it’s relative. The title invites relative comparisons with the western world.That said the 180 countries most if the least corrupt countries are western. If someone had the time they could world out where ireland was in that western list. The U.K. is 8th by comparison.

You are perhaps. I'm not getting into semantics. If you'd like to change the original comments. Creative writing =>

gozunda

c montgomery wrote: »

See below corruption index
Ireland is 19 out of 180 countries with 1 being least corrupt and 180 most corrupt.
https://www.transparency.org/news/feature/corruption_perceptions_index_2017#table

Read the thread from the begining. That was posted over 5 months ago ...

dxhound2005

The results are from what some people perceive, not any proven corruption.

The index, which ranks 180 countries and territories by their perceived levels of public sector corruption according to experts and businesspeople, uses a scale of 0 to 100, where 0 is highly corrupt and 100 is very clean.

And those business people do not perceive any corruption in the business community. Like I said before the most of the corruption must reside in the private sector. For every corrupt Garda taking money from a journalist, there is the corrupt journalist and his corrupt editor and managers. For every corrupt planner taking a brown envelope, there is a corrupt builder and his corrupt associates.

NIMAN

Where is NI on that list?

I see less than 10% of people in his constituency thought Ian Paisley Jnr did anything wrong by accepting freebie family holidays and not declaring them.

If he had been in England he'd be out of a job now, but no NI is so fecked no-one thinks he did anything wrong.

Zebra3

Nobody thinks of NI as a country.