Great video on the Gender pay gap

gizmo555

py2006 wrote: »

The woman who set up shelters for women in the UK was on the radio here a few years ago and said a lot of the women came from abusive and or violent relationships. i.e they were as bad.

Same in Ireland ...

gizmo555 wrote: »

There was an Irish report published in 2001 by the Marriage and Relationship Counselling Service (now renamed Relationships Ireland), which stated that:

In those who come for counselling to the MRCS, about half are in relationships in which domestic violence occurs. One-third of the violence is perpetrated by partners on each other; 41 per cent is perpetrated by women on men. A quarter (26 per cent) is perpetrated by men on women. "Women are more likely than men to be the perpetrators of domestic violence" among MRCS clients . . .

http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/finding-that-women-can-be-the-violent-partner-will-startle-1.314729

backspin.

Defunkd wrote: »

Something tells me that no-one on that panel puts in a 45 hr week in the office.

Just googled a bit...Govt. Agency, Govt. funded, so what, a 37.5 hr week?
The blonde woman in the video is the Director of the Agency. She came across poorly imo.

I'd bet that's the first time anyone has challenged her on the figures. She is likely surrounded by people who take the gender pay gap as an unquestioned truth.

backspin.

Interested video here on the gender pay gap. I think people may be waking up. Some of the comments would have been shouted down a few years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Da-9rGveWo

iptba

25% of Irish companies admit there is a gender pay gap at their firm
By Olivia Kelleher
Sunday, March 31, 2019 - 12:02 PM

A quarter of companies in Ireland say that there is a gender pay gap at their firm according to the 2019 Pay and Employment Practices Survey from CIPD Ireland and Industrial Relations News.

The gap remains relatively static at 14% despite the looming introduction of legislation to force some companies to reveal the figure.

The survey also found that only one in five companies had actually calculated their gender pay gap, meaning that the majority were ignorant as to the scale of the problem internally.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/25-of-irish-companies-admit-there-is-a-gender-pay-gap-at-their-firm-914469.html

We don't live in a communist state: some jobs are better paid than others. An average gender pay doesn't necessarily mean a "problem".

iptba

Ministers Flanagan and Stanton publish Gender Pay Gap Information Bill

• Firms with 250 plus employees will be first to have new obligations
• New rules will apply to public and private firms

https://merrionstreet.ie/en/News-Room/Releases/Ministers_Flanagan_and_Stanton_publish_Gender_Pay_Gap_Information_Bill.html

The detailed information that must be published under the Ministerial regulations includes the mean and median gap in hourly pay between men and women; the mean and median gap in bonus pay between men and women; the mean and median gap in hourly pay of part-time male and female employees; the percentage of men and of women who received bonus pay; and the percentage of men and of women who received benefits in kind.

Looks like there will be a lot of comparing apples with oranges. We don't live in a communist society: some job categories are better paid than others

Sleepy

This nonsense is beginning to get a bit worrying: how long will it be before we'll start to see our competitiveness affected by legislation of this type?

Gender Quotas for senior roles will result in inferior candidates gaining board room positions. A poorer quality board of management makes it more likely a company will under-perform or go bust.
Spurious, unnecessary reporting requirements are exactly the kind of red-tape that put MNCs off investing in a country.
The work involved in reporting such requirements will at least result in sub-optimal use of resources, or at worst, in bloated staff numbers (as resources are hired to do the reporting).

We live in a global world and make no mistake about it: the high productivity level of our workforce is our greatest assets in this world. If that begins to drop because of hair-brained, feminist pleasing policies, our global competitiveness drops with it and it will damage our economy.

iptba

An Post reveals plans to close 3.7% gender pay gap

https://extra.ie/2019/10/22/business/irish/an-post-gender-pay-gap

An Post promises to reduce 3.7% gender pay gap

https://www.thejournal.ie/an-post-gender-pay-gap-4861591-Oct2019/

KrustyUCC

The comments under the article are not what the Journal wanted

iptba

Sponsored content

Minding the gender pay gap – much more than a compliance issue
Gender pay gap reporting should be seen as an opportunity to demonstrate an organisation’s commitment to diversity, equality and inclusion, says Kathryn Brady of PwC Ireland

https://www.irishtimes.com/sponsored/pwc/minding-the-gender-pay-gap-much-more-than-a-compliance-issue-1.4131733

Firstly, it doesn't help diversity in areas other than gender.

A Bill to introduce mandatory reporting here in Ireland is slowly making its way through the legislative process and “while the Bill does not give an indication of a commencement date we would expect it to become law in 2020. The exact details of the required reporting are not yet defined but the draft legislation requires employers (both public and private), to disclose details of pay and benefit differences for their male and female employees under various categories” says Brady.

“Companies with 250 or more employees will be required to participate initially, this will drop to companies with 50 or more employees within a number of years. Companies will also be required to publish their opinion and reasons for the difference (if any), and the measures being taken to reduce or eliminate the gap,” says Brady.

I could see how this easily could lead to some discrimination against male employees.

Silentcorner

iptba wrote: »

Sponsored content


https://www.irishtimes.com/sponsored/pwc/minding-the-gender-pay-gap-much-more-than-a-compliance-issue-1.4131733

Firstly, it doesn't help diversity in areas other than gender.


I could see how this easily could lead to some discrimination against male employees.

This is hard left ideology entering the private sector...you bet it will involve discriminating against men, it's already happening!

Sonic_exyouth

Silentcorner wrote: »

This is hard left ideology entering the private sector...you bet it will involve discriminating against men, it's already happening!

Saying that reducing the gender pay gap is "hard left" is gibberish.

It shows ignorance of what is "left", what is "hard left", or why so many corporations, right wing governments, and multi-nationals are seeking it.

Sonic_exyouth

Sonic_exyouth wrote: »

Saying that reducing the gender pay gap is "hard left" is gibberish.

It shows ignorance of what is "left", what is "hard left", or why so many corporations, right wing governments, and multi-nationals are seeking it.

Actually, you'll find that most corporations aren't actually seeking it. They're promoting it, and then showing how they're combating it. It's a PR stunt just like CSR. Create the impression of a problem, and then show everyone how wonderful you are that you're solving it. There's thirty years plus of laws and government regulations to prevent discrimination which includes policies on salary allocation.

Time and time again, research has shown that the Gender pay gap doesn't exist in terms of actual fair considerations. It only exists when you take a simplistic view of salaries, and how they're determined. Once you dig into the actual statistics, it shows clearly that in most cases the gap comes down to personal choices which affect their ability to earn a salary.

Equality of opportunity is here. Females have the same opportunities to enter certain high paying industries, negotiate their salaries, compete for promotions, etc... except the majority don't want to live their lives like that. Instead, they want it given to them on a silver platter.. hence the alleged Pay Gap.

As for the left, or far left pushing it, it's most commonly such parties that make reference to the pay gap. Parties on the Right rarely talk about it since they tend to have more invested in big business. Once more it's a promotional stunt to gain votes because any serious investigation of the facts would show the lack of any such gap... Notice how they never specify in which the gap exists? Instead, it's a broad statement.

Silentcorner

Sonic_exyouth wrote: »

Saying that reducing the gender pay gap is "hard left" is gibberish.

It shows ignorance of what is "left", what is "hard left", or why so many corporations, right wing governments, and multi-nationals are seeking it.

The state has no business influencing or enforcing recruitment of staff or pay in the private sector.

The Harder Left (and to a lesser extend, hard right) you go, the greater the role/influence of the state.

Radical Feminism, which is what this wave of Feminism actually is, is rooted in hard left ideology.

The existence Gender Pay Gap has been debunked a while now.

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

The state has no business influencing or enforcing recruitment of staff or pay in the private sector.

Actually, it has a duty to enforce fair practices in terms of race, age, gender, etc. Otherwise there would be definite biases in many industries (which there were previously). However, they essentially reached that point about a decade ago. The push for quotas or other initiatives for "equality" which only targets women or racial minorities is a clear interference.

The Harder Left (and to a lesser extend, hard right) you go, the greater the role/influence of the state.

Radical Feminism, which is what this wave of Feminism actually is, is rooted in hard left ideology.

True enough.

The existence Gender Pay Gap has been debunked a while now.

Although we might see an actual Gender pay gap be created as more benefits are assigned to females both in the workplace, and in terms of the state benefits, in order to "protect" or "uplift" them. Where the gap will come from benefits outside of the actual salary that males cannot gain. It's already happening in some countries, although it's never included in the estimates of the current pay gap. Naturally.

Sonic_exyouth

Silentcorner wrote: »

The state has no business influencing or enforcing recruitment of staff or pay in the private sector.

In a democracy "The state" is the government of the people, as elected by the people. The people govern the Country, not the private Sector. If the private sector wants to do it's business here, it obeys the people laws - it's not vice versa.
And if the people want to introduce minimum wage, that's a decision that can only be changed by the people - via elections.

Silentcorner wrote: »

The Harder Left (and to a lesser extend, hard right) you go, the greater the role/influence of the state.

Radical Feminism, which is what this wave of Feminism actually is, is rooted in hard left ideology.

The existence Gender Pay Gap has been debunked a while now.

The idea that what massive money hungry corporate entities are seeking is "Radical" or "hard left" is madness.

"Hard Left" would be the abolition and possible nationalisation of all of these organisations.

This is hysterical nonsense.

Silentcorner

Sonic_exyouth wrote: »

In a democracy "The state" is the government of the people, as elected by the people. The people govern the Country, not the private Sector. If the private sector wants to do it's business here, it obeys the people laws - it's not vice versa.
And if the people want to introduce minimum wage, that's a decision that can only be changed by the people - via elections.



The idea that what massive money hungry corporate entities are seeking is "Radical" or "hard left" is madness.

"Hard Left" would be the abolition and possible nationalisation of all of these organisations.

This is hysterical nonsense.

The state can legislate all around the workplace regarding safety and environmental issues, along with minimum pay, overtime, hours worked etc.

But this is beyond that, this is encroaching on how/who companies hire...this is overreach, typical of a state that is becoming uncomfortably larger with time.

Companies now have to hire staff with this mythical Gender Pay Gap in mind which they will be expected to report every year....this will impact performance....we will see men being discriminated against in the workplace, it is already happening.

What would happen if companies started struggling to perform over time? What would happen then?

What if the economy falls of a cliff like it did 10 years ago...

It might seem hysterical to some, but the Government has no business telling you (by using undue influence) who you can hire. It can only lead to disaster....

Sonic_exyouth

Silentcorner wrote: »

The state can legislate all around the workplace regarding safety and environmental issues, along with minimum pay, overtime, hours worked etc.

But this is beyond that, this is encroaching on how/who companies hire...this is overreach, typical of a state that is becoming uncomfortably larger with time.

The laws of the country are for the people - not any organisation in the private sector.

Silentcorner wrote: »

Companies now have to hire staff with this mythical Gender Pay Gap in mind which they will be expected to report every year....this will impact performance....we will see men being discriminated against in the workplace, it is already happening.

Gender discrimination is explicitly illegal. Many cases have been successfully taken to the WRC on the issue of Men being discriminated against - albeit, not as many as women.
Discrimination is illegal - if it has happened to you, report it.

Silentcorner wrote: »

What would happen if companies started struggling to perform over time? What would happen then?

What if the economy falls of a cliff like it did 10 years ago...

It might seem hysterical to some, but the Government has no business telling you (by using undue influence) who you can hire. It can only lead to disaster....

The government doesn't tell you who to hire, just that you cannot discriminate when you do so, and you must pay a minimum.

Silentcorner

Sonic_exyouth wrote: »

The laws of the country are for the people - not any organisation in the private sector.




Gender discrimination is explicitly illegal. Many cases have been successfully taken to the WRC on the issue of Men being discriminated against - albeit, not as many as women.
Discrimination is illegal - if it has happened to you, report it.




The government doesn't tell you who to hire, just that you cannot discriminate when you do so, and you must pay a minimum.

So why are private companies expected to report on the Gender Wage Gap?

Are you aware that a current Minister (albeit an incompetent Junior one) is doing just that... https://www.thejournal.ie/women-only-professorships-not-discriminating-against-men-4954183-Jan2020/

81% of professors are under 6 foot. I am being discriminated against for my larger stature.

AlmightyCushion

[Deleted User] wrote: »

81% of professors are under 6 foot. I am being discriminated against for my larger stature.

It's not illegal to discriminate based on height.

Silentcorner

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

It's not illegal to discriminate based on height.

....yet!!!:p:p

Wait till they paint the Commandments of Animalism on the wall...

iptba

This is one of the 2 or 3 items that the LinkedIn App highlighted to me in its bulletin yesterday. Some links at the link

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/news/goldman-no-diverse-board-no-ipo-4766732/

Goldman: No "diverse" board, no IPO
By Pieter Cranenbroek, Editor at LinkedIn
Updated 1 day ago

Goldman Sachs CEO David Solomon broke news from the World Economic Forum last week. He told LinkedIn that the banking giant won’t take companies public in Europe or the US unless they have at least one “diverse” member on the board, with the focus being mainly on women. Goldman itself has four women on its board of directors, out of 11. Women make up 33% of executive boards of European STOXX 600 companies and 20% of public-company boards in the US.

iptba

There is a lot of talk about the need for diversity. And one of the advantages of having women on boards is supposedly so there will bring a diversity of opinion. However, I don’t hear much talk from many of the same people that we need diversity of opinion with regard to feminist views, initiatives and the like.

iptba

iptba wrote: »

There is a lot of talk about the need for diversity. And one of the advantages of having women on boards is supposedly so there will bring a diversity of opinion. However, I don’t hear much talk from many of the same people that we need diversity of opinion with regard to feminist views, initiatives and the like.

Oddly enough, in management levels I don't see much difference in opinions, and those that are, it's not based on gender, but on experience... or knowledge about different strategies.

People want to make everything a gender issue. It's rather sad really. Only feminists really believe that opinions will differ because of the gender of the person... when we're talking about highly skilled/experienced professionals. It completely ignores that such people are not normal. Hence why there's such a push for quotas... so that they can push normal women into positions that normal people don't usually get. Normal men won't get these positions either, but that's irrelevant.

H3llR4iser

Deleted User wrote: »

Oddly enough, in management levels I don't see much difference in opinions, and those that are, it's not based on gender, but on experience... or knowledge about different strategies.

That was my exact first thought - "on which basis do they assume that two individuals of similar skills, competencies and experience, would have differing 'opinions' based off of what set of genitalia they happen to carry in their underpants?". And that IF such thing as "opinions" should feature in business and politics decision - you know, usually you'd hope these would be based on FACTS. Otherwise, "opinion": I need a doubling of my salary. Executive decision!

Deleted User wrote: »

It completely ignores that such people are not normal. Hence why there's such a push for quotas... so that they can push normal women into positions that normal people don't usually get. Normal men won't get these positions either, but that's irrelevant.

That's an immensely important part of the whole thing that a lot of people ignore, either by deliberately choosing to do so or by lack of knowledge.



Another important aspect that's never brought up for consideration - getting to these positions requires utter sacrifice that usually means a lot of "bad stuff on the side". Almost every super duper "Senior Director" or "CEO" I've ever met, men and women alike, had some completely messed up life outside of work - be it a total addiction to work (sending work emails at 4.45 am on a Sunday...), multiple failed marriages, estranged children, resentful families...you name it, it's there.

The J Stands for Jay

iptba wrote: »

There is a lot of talk about the need for diversity. And one of the advantages of having women on boards is supposedly so there will bring a diversity of opinion. However, I don’t hear much talk from many of the same people that we need diversity of opinion with regard to feminist views, initiatives and the like.

Diversity of opinion is important, but I've always wondered how different a Holy Child Killiney opinion would be from a BlackRock College opinion

iptba

This was one of the 2 items highlighted to me by LinkedIn today:

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/news/eu-revisits-plan-for-womens-quotas-4790668/

EU revisits plan for women's quotas
By Pieter Cranenbroek, Editor at LinkedIn
Updated 1 day ago

Progress towards gender equality in boardrooms is stalling, says the European Commission, which is therefore revisiting plans to introduce mandatory quotas https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/05/eu-revives-plans-for-mandatory-quotas-of-women-on-company-boards for women at top management level. Under a draft directive, publicly listed companies could face fines if women make up less than 40% of their non-executive boards. The EU’s executive points to countries like Belgium, France, Germany and Italy where quotas have been effective in pushing women to the top. At the moment, just one in four board members of European-listed firms is a woman, according to Eurostat https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0306/1120621-only-a-third-of-managers-in-europe-are-women-eurostat/.

iptba

Men paid almost 25% more than women at Bank of Ireland
Bank publishes details of its gender pay gap following an analysis of company-wide data

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/men-paid-almost-25-more-than-women-at-bank-of-ireland-1.4197440

In 2018, Bank of Ireland announced a target to establish a 50:50 gender balance in appointments to senior management and leadership by 2021.

On Monday, it said that 44 per cent senior of appointments last year were female, which was up from 38 per cent when the target was introduced in March 2018.
‘Taking action’

Bank of Ireland chief executive Francesca McDonagh said she was keen to close the gap as soon as possible.

I wouldn't be surprised if there is or will be some discrimination against men there.

iptba

iptba wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised if there is or will be some discrimination against men there.

38% Increase in appointments in under 2 years? These being senior positions, and as such the turnover is usually extremely low. So, yeah, I'd be seeing some discrimination coming into effect.. especially when they have to maintain the ratio in the face of progress.

I worked in Finance... most female staff have little to no interest in the managerial positions. It'll be interesting to check up on these appointments and see if they stay in the positions over the next few years, or whether there will be a large turnover among the women.