The Walking Dead | Season 8 | Episode 16 | Wrath [AMC] [SPOILERS]

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::The Walking Dead - Season 8 Finale::

Episode 16 - "Wrath"

Airdate - April 15th on AMC at 9/8c | April 16th on FOX UK at 9PM

The communities join forces in the last stand against the Saviors as all-out war unfolds

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PROMO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNKPJNL9p4g

* The Walking Dead will return for season 9 in October 2018 (exact date TBC)

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What a crock of shít. This post is a rant so you're warned.

All out war over in 90 seconds and the entire thing shot in a field with Negan reduced to running behind a tree. Thas was high school cinematography at best on the budget of a bagel, don't get me started on the awful higher power spiritual crap that has plagued this season.

Everything is all over the place in this show, last week Rick slaughters saviours who tried to save him, this week he completely u-turns. Morgan at the end has a speech about how people need people, but no wait, he wants to live alone but the garbage lady should go team up with Rick's crew. Jesus preaches about peace but is seemingly fine with Maggie and Daryl plotting against Rick and Michonne?

The shows writing is rambling, incoherent nonsense. It's so bad I have to skip most of it. What a fall from grace TWD has become, I thought the prison season was bad but this trash is on another level. Probably the worst TV season final I've had the displeasure of watching.

The only thing that was done outside the level of a 10 year old's brain was Eugene and the bullets. Kudos writers, I feel like Tara smiling in the middle of a battleground because my gurl friends stayed behind to lob petrol bombs at men with machine guns. Why is there a guy with blue hair? Why can't they just treat the guy Carl found on the road as a normal person? PC stuff has been creeping into the show and I'm not a fan of it. Bring back Shane, no... bring back ten Shane's!

I get the show has to follow the comics somewhat, I just can't help but feel the last few seasons are terrible compared to the first two. I feel nothing towards any of the characters. Remember when Dale died? Or Shane? Or Glenn? That invoked a reaction. When Rick knifed Negan all I thought to myself was "Is that it?". They've essentially written characters like Daryl out of the show and turned characters like Carol and Morgan into farcical ones. There's way too many filler characters and it's impossible to care about them because character development is non existent. When there was a small group on the farm things were way more interesting.

They've gone from being on the road surviving zombies with somewhat believable characters ( which the show should be imo ) to King Ezekial with his awful dialogue and the crazy lady who lives in a world of garbage who couldn't put a sentence together but now could rattle off the alphabet. It's make believe fantasy nonsense - even though it's a zombie show there needs to be an element of realism because that creates fear but that feeling of fear and suspense has long gone for me. I've grown to like FTWD far more.

duffysfarm

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wasnt a bad episode overall, could of cleared off a few characters. i can see maggies justification for her plot but Jesus and Daryl? i know the directors have to make a plot/story but i cant see their motives, especially Jesus. Also i think Daryl was a little rought on dwight. and in relation to Daryly and Carol they seem to have been bypassed and got little screen time this season 0 they are good characters and fan favourites so hard to see why.

FreudianSlippers

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As a stand-alone episode, it was pretty good (with the exception of the bizarre decision to have Maggie, Jesus and Daryl go against Rick and Michone). I totally agree that the dialogue writing is a bit of a disaster on the show, but in fairness it always has been - season 1/2 nostalgia is a case of rose-tinted glasses; the dialogue was shockingly bad from day one.

The Oceanside showing up was probably the biggest anti-climax possible.

All in all, it was probably the best end to a very poor season that was possible.


As an aside, I haven't the faintest idea what the previous "PC" comment is about or is in reference to tbh.

Blazer

PC post as in the token Muslim.

Godawful episode. I could go on and on but it’s over for another season thank god.

FreudianSlippers

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I still don't understand how having a Muslim character in the show is "PC"?

Unearthly

One positive I'm taking is that you can feel they plan to reboot next season. Hopefully they replace the writers, the production crew, the characters, the directors and anyone else involved to

Flippyfloppy

I think the whole show could end right there.

Blazer

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I still don't understand how having a Muslim character in the show is "PC"?

It seems to be the latest fad to have a token Muslim in shows.
Just like the token gay guy or trans guy. Just there just to say “hey look at us..we have a Muslim in walking dead” etc etc

FreudianSlippers

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Blazer wrote: »

It seems to be the latest fad to have a token Muslim in shows.
Just like the token gay guy or trans guy. Just there just to say “hey look at us..we have a Muslim in walking dead” etc etc

Or maybe, I dunno, Muslim/gay/trans people exist and can and should be reflected in media?

Ally Dick

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Time to axe the show. It's gone on too long. A lot of the last two seasons were very boring indeed. I didn't enjoy Negan's pantomime villian style of acting. He said "sh1t" quite a lot, with major emphasis on the word. It was the final insult that he wasn't killed off

FreudianSlippers

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Ally Dick wrote: »

Time to axe the show. It's gone on too long. A lot of the last two seasons were very boring indeed. I didn't enjoy Negan's pantomime villian style of acting. He said "sh1t" quite a lot, with major emphasis on the word. It was the final insult that he wasn't killed off

I'm interested to see what the new showrunner will do. I'm going to give season 9 a chance.

Blazer

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Or maybe, I dunno, Muslim/gay/trans people exist and can and should be reflected in media?

Yeah but Jesus at least give them a proper character.
Ie one of the best gay/trans character is the guy in banshee.
One of the worst is the clown in Arrow..I have to meet my husband. I’m having dinner with my husband. I’m fighting with my husband- we get it you’re gay.

Lone Stone

the only show to do gay relationships on screen properly is Spartacus because its just there and not some thing that feels shoved in or out of place and its never mentioned in the show its just a given, unlike shows like twd where if some one is gay or a lesbian its overly stated to the viewer as if it's a story point when its not, which is annoying. Because as in life i do not give two fecks if some one is gay.

That said, sad to see the bad impressions of the final episode haven't watched any this season, i planned to wait and binge it but it seems to story has barely moved if at all.

Hopefully next season with the new show runner the show can save it's self or give us a actually ending.

duridian

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Seriously! Why dafuq is a stained

glass window conveniently dangling from a tree in the middle of nowhere?

The clandestine meeting at Hilltop does make it sound like the war of independence is over, but the civil....

What was Gabriel talking about in the ruined chapel? What has he "seen"?

Penn

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IT'S ALL OUT WAR! NO-ONE IS SAFE! EVERYONE IS IN DANGER!

*16 episodes later*

Main casualties of the war: Simon, that guy who liked Carol, and the tiger.
Carl doesn't count because he wasn't even killed as part of the war.

And Eugene was helping the good guys all along despite NOT F*CKING TELLING THEM last week when he had the opportunity.

God f*cking damn it...

Scraggs

Such an anticlimax. I think this would have been a better season if they had dropped the amount of episodes to half and got rid of the pointless storylines about characters we don't care about. Then at least it would be episodes of action/battles leading to something with a resolution in the finale, instead of the frustrating stop, start, meander &repeat ****e we have to put up with.

The only enjoyable moment for me was the ambush on the hill and also Eugenes dodgy bullets (this was something I expected early on though so not exactly a twist)

Also a pathetic appearance from the Oceanside gals, I was at least expecting them to turn up at a crucial moment when the Hill Top were on their knees to save the day.

Finally... where was Daryl the last few episodes? The character is reduced to a few grunts and scowls. So many of the main cast need to be made relevant again or killed off.

I can't face watching the latest FTWD in case it's going down the same path.

Wibbs

Scraggs wrote: »

I can't face watching the latest FTWD in case it's going down the same path.

I'd give the spin off series a chance S. IMHO it's by far the better written, directed and paced series. Sadly its parent series has lost the plot, literally.

Sandor Clegane

A complete mess, everything was all over the place.

Rick has yet another U turn, Morgan's psychosis clears up in an instant, Darryl letting Dwight go only then to conspire against Rick for leaving Negan alive, the bullet test, I mean home made bullets deserve more than one try out you would think, oh and the scheme just slips his mind when Rosita and Daryl have him captive? come on.

Negan just runs off behind a tree and then the penultimate face off with his nemesisn in a field is given about five minutes where nothing happens apart from some quick handbags and mediocre dialogue, such a let down.

No deaths, the show needs a culling and we still have so many useless characters. Ridiculous.

Macker1

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Final Episode for me. I just can't invest any more time into the ****fest this has become.

skipper_G

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That's it? Frustrating and underwhelming. So much wrong I can't think of anything right.

Blingy

Not impressed with this episode. Same reaction to the last few seasons.
But What's the story with Maggie..is she no longer pregnant? Or has she miraculously had the baby!?

ebbsy

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The problem with this season is that the Negan character is more suited to the comics.

Compared to the Guvonor storyline, it was poor enough.

Too many episodes in the season as somebody else said. To sell more advertising perhaps ?

It was disappointing.

sonofenoch

So next season is the start of a kind of rebellion storyline.......I don't think I can take it anymore

Hande hoche!

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One thing I didn't understand was they had several extended episode this season and didn't bother doing so for the finale. Fairly dull wrap up to the season. Location was a lousy choice for events to go down. Giving me flashbacks to Falling skies which is seldom a positive development.

Nice to see the saviours didn't bother test firing more than four or so shots. Conveniently they also didn't have to zero in any rifles or shoot any zombies before heading off. Sure an existential battle requires less effort in terms of preparation than the local sporting club's monthly shoot.

Still will inevitably tune in for at least a few episodes of the next season. Hoping that FTWD is a bit better.

DoozerT6

Broadly, overall it wasn't a bad episode, there were a few things that stood out for me though, just some observations:

Why did Eugene opt to go to the battle? Negan gave him the option not to. He could have stayed at the Sanctuary and slipped out himself somehow, back to Hilltop and waited for them to return, to explain himself. He must have known the chances of him being killed were very high - in fact if it wasn't for Rosita, he would have been.

Also, when Negan was testing the bullets inside the Sanctuary, I had to laugh at all the Saviours in the background just walking around slowly - you could see they were told what direction to go in, don't bump into each other etc, they all just looked so....careful, or choreographed or something.

When Oceanside arrived at Hilltop- did anybody actually SEE the Molotov cocktails land anywhere? All I saw were random explosions from the ground with no obvious external source. Maybe I'm just nitpicking.

Maggie's face since she took over at Hilltop - why does she always look like she's smelling a turd these days?

Didn't Rick take a huge risk just letting the Saviours go back to the Sanctuary? Surely there must be some among them who were fully on board with Negan and would be happy to continue the fight?

Daryl and Dwight - nobody thought to ask Daryl where he might be taking his mortal enemy, alone, in a truck? On a related note, I have to say, I did have a slight 'awww' moment when Dwight opened the note from Sherry and we saw that genuine smile on his face. I don't remember seeing Dwight smile much, ever.

So now that all-out war is over, I guess we'll get civil war? I guess it was inevitable at some stage, that the group would start to disagree. We already saw it in that fight between Rick and Daryl earlier on in the season (Maybe Daryl is pissed off at how he's been sidelined the past couple of seasons )

conor2469

Sandor Clegane wrote: »

the bullet test, I mean home made bullets deserve more than one try out you would think, oh and the scheme just slips his mind when Rosita and Daryl have him captive? come on.
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My understanding from watching the dialogue between Eugene and Rosita after the "battle" was that he only decided to sabotage the bullets after the conversation she had with him just before he vomited on her and ran off.

fritzelly

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Did Eugene sabotage the bullets or was he just using the situation to his advantage so he didn't get killed - he did look as surprised as everyone els

Sandor Clegane

conor2469 wrote: »

My understanding from watching the dialogue between Eugene and Rosita after the "battle" was that he only decided to sabotage the bullets after the conversation she had with him just before he vomited on her and ran off.

Fair enough i didn't pick that up.

deafroadrunner

fritzelly wrote: »

Did Eugene sabotage the bullets or was he just using the situation to his advantage so he didn't get killed - he did look as surprised as everyone els

He knew. He told negan the best way to attack them was a firing squad style approach. If they all started shooting randomly he'd of been found out. This way they got hit at once by the misfiring bullets

fritzelly

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deafroadrunner wrote: »

He knew. He told negan the best way to attack them was a firing squad style approach. If they all started shooting randomly he'd of been found out. This way they got hit at once by the misfiring bullets

Just read about Scott Gimple talking about it and yeah he did do it - shame

mzungu

The Maggie, Jesus and Darryl thing doesn't make much sense. Jesus the man of peace going around telling Morgan not to kill, has a change of heart and takes part in a conspiracy to try kill Negan? Not buying it.

I am hoping they do a reboot of sorts next season. TWD needs a new direction. One major problem is that it feels a bit bloated, so I would hope they start to cull characters that have not been up to much.

fritzelly

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mzungu wrote: »

The Maggie, Jesus and Darryl thing doesn't make much sense.

Even weirder that she may not even be available with a new series in the offing and I think no contract in place in yet for the TWD

Penn

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I just hope next season they finally address that big storyline they teased this season.

No, not the helicopter. I mean Rick shooting at someone, running out of bullets, and then just running right at them instead of... yknow... reloading... Maybe Carl left him another letter saying "Carry spare ammo".

bazz26

Epic fail of a season finale. It nearly turned into a Little House on the Prairie ending where they all lived happily ever after.

TerrorFirmer

No point repeating what's been already said but that was absolutely terrible. Only holding on now to see what the new showrunner can bring but if S9E1 is more of the same, then it's time to bow out.

Also, mega-lol at Jesus going from "Tara, you can't stand on that spider" to actively plotting to take down Rick.

Parkman77

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Horrendous shoite altogether.
A non ending ending.
Whole season was nonsense.
I’m close to giving up at this stage.

gmisk

I just decided to read this thread to see if I missed anything doesnt look like it...I gave up 2 episodes into this series.
I actually prefer fear the walking dead at this stage even with all its flaws.

Blazer

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

No point repeating what's been already said but that was absolutely terrible. Only holding on now to see what the new showrunner can bring but if S9E1 is more of the same, then it's time to bow out.

Also, mega-lol at Jesus going from "Tara, you can't stand on that spider" to actively plotting to take down Rick.

sure we all know he will betray them anyway to save more lives...what a load of crap.
How anyone thinks this show is good is beyond me at this stage.

Penn

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Had to laugh at this from The Walking Dead wiki page about the episode. The episode which is the bloody end to ALL OUT WAR, and the season finale which always has some shocking deaths:

Deaths:
Lance
Duke
At least 62 unnamed Saviors

Trivia:
First (and last) appearance of Lance.
First (and last) appearance of Duke.

sabhail

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Well guess the ending explains LaUren Cohans timing on contract negotiations!

Thought it was pretty good tbh, liked the ending, could understand Daryl and Maggies views.. Jesus, they should just kill him now cos he'll betray tgem

w/s/p/c/

Let down of a finale, the show in general should have just ended at the conclusion of this episode.

All standing around on the hill side at the end, I was expecting them to break into song together:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib-Qiyklq-Q

Dial Hard

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American Gods, anyone?

foxborough

The episode was OK though a little disappointing for what was billed as all-out war.

All in all I think I'll take this point as being the end of TWD for me. I don't think it's going to get better and it's not going to be worth the effort

Utopia Parkway

Really thought they would use this final showdown to kill off a few characters who are pointless to the show at this stage but amazingly nobody of note died. It was the perfect opportunity to cut away some of the fat.

The writing again is very questionable. Rick lets Negan live and literally hours later and Maggie, Darryll and Jesus are plotting against him. It's just too quick a turn from them and feels like it wasn't earned. And what is Jesus even doing there? He's the biggest pacifist on the show. Rick lets Negan lives which his character should agree with going on all past evidence but here he is plotting against Rick anyway straight after. Didn't make any sense whatsoever.

duffman13

The only way I was coming back for season 9 was with a massacre of characters of some sort preferably with a destruction of the compounds and a need to go back on the road. The unknown on the road was what made it interesting. The show us stagnated massively whenever they set up camp

Jimmy Bottlehead

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Dial Hard wrote: »

FTS.jpg

American Gods, anyone?

I don't think I can trust any more Dial Hard recommendations...

billyhead

The whole season has been a mess. This finale summed it up. Too much deadwood that they need to bump off. What were the writers thinking here. They all kiss an make up and live happy ever after. The acting has gone downhill too. It needs more menacing characters like Shane, Daryls brother and the Guvner.

sonofenoch

Negan locked up and half his army walking around like butter wouldn't melt in their mouth..........what could go wrong

henryforde80

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Morgan and his stupid stick and hallucinations. This really really irritates me and is completely pointless. I don't give a flying feck. What are they trying to do here.

So 16 episode show down to Rick and Negan and it ends like that. They could have doing it much better but probably ran out of budget I reckon.

Overall a rubbish season.

Those helicopters in a few episodes this season is going to run the story line next season.
I reckon the outbreak was created by government in a certain area with gas.
There now going to bring them back to humanity and will centre on there lives.
It will be called "The Walking Friends"

elvis83

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The writing on this show is just so stupid. Dialogue that no human would ever utter (Eugene ffs). Nonsensical decision making by characters who clearly do not remember their own past.

The rubbish people were basically a waste of time. Same too the seaside people or whatever you call them. That dude crouching behind a tree for weeks to convince a group who have already had to give up all of their guns to Rick and the guys (the exact move negan done to our 'heroes')

The same tired plot points over and over and over. Morgan: "killing is bad Rick". Cue Morgan flip-flopping between pacifist and murderer. Jesus: 'killing is bad Morgan'. Cue Jesus being part of a conspiracy against Rick.

Jesus H Chirst, that reminds me. Did the creator literally just finish the bible before naming his characters. Jesus, Ezekiel, Gabriel, Abraham. One would be pretty cool. Every other character having a bible name? GTFO.

Is Maggie pregnant or not? Last mention of this was literally two years ago when she had a torn uterus and was told to take it easy. But obviously that worked as the plot device it needed to be at that point in time, let's forget it now. How are we supposed to care about these characters if the writers don't even care about them!

And the stupidest, stupidest episode of television of all time. The hilltop sleepover with the stealth zombies and humans who don't scream when they are bit.

And all of this painful tripe led to that finale. Good god. And that gimple pr*ck smugging it up on the talking dead. How can you be smug? You used to have 18 million viewers, now it's something like 6 and probably a lot less after this dog excrement. You're definitely losing one here.