Id required for travel

AlanBriar

Hi everyone,
First off sorry if this is not in the correct forum, I don't use this site very often.

I need some advise if that's possible,
So my girlfriend and I are supposed to be going on holidays on the 24th of April, We are going to Spain from Dublin, It was supposed to be a surprise for her, but then I found out she doesn't have a passport and she never actually had one, We went to the passport office in Dublin and they said that because it's her first passport it will take at least 20 working days and we would definitely not have it back in time,
I was talking to a couple of my friends and they said that any sort of laminated Id would work, so that has me wondering would her public services card work as Id to get on a plane over to Spain?

We are flying with Ryanair by the way

Thank you for any help you may be able to give me

wexie

I've certainly heard of (and seen) people travelling with ID's other than passport, drivers license and in one case a colleague with a work badge. But they were all between Ireland and UK.

Last time I had problems with passport (puppy chewed it ) and was flying with Ryanair I was told they wouldn't accept anything other than a valid passport.

I don't know if they've changed that policy in the meantime, maybe best to just give them a ring and find out.

munchkin_utd

nope, for spain you need a passport. No way round it.

The UK doesnt require a passport on arrival if youre irish (so same as crosing border at Newry or Newtonbutler) but EVERYWHERE else in the world requires you to have a passport.

EagererBeaver

You need a passport.

Summer In the City

AlanBriar wrote: »

We went to the passport office in Dublin and they said that because it's her first passport it will take at least 20 working days and we would definitely not have it back in time,

It used to be the case that if it was an emergency you could write to your local TD and they would get it sorted for you. Not sure if it's still the done thing but it might be worth sending off an email explaining your case.

EagererBeaver

One thing to be aware of OP, if you don't have a passport but somehow manage to get yourselves on the plane, you'll not be let through the border at the far end in Spain.

Spook_ie

You'd also need the passport number etc. for the API for travel to Spain.

tricky D

Additionally all foreigners have to show their passports in Spain at hotels.

From DFA website

If you are travelling in less than 15 working days, please make an appointment at the Passport Office in Cork or Dublin.

CiniO

tricky D wrote: »

Additionally all foreigners have to show their passports in Spain at hotels.

Fie

Passport or national id.
So in case of a hotel very likely public services card would do.

But not for getting to Spain in a first place.

tricky D

CiniO wrote: »

Passport or national id.
So in case of a hotel very likely public services card would do.

But not for getting to Spain in a first place.

By law Spanish hotels require a passport number and name for foreigner guests and this info is forwarded to the police. Spanish national id is fine for Spanish nationals.

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/spain/local-laws-and-customs

Hotels have a legal duty to register the passport details of tourists on check-in. Wait until the hotel staff have registered your passport details or taken a photocopy of your passport. Don’t leave it in reception to collect later.

Any valid EU national id is fine for police stops, bank transactions etc. PSC is not national id.

Spain has set the bar higher than other EU countries due to the Madrid Bombings in 2004.

CiniO

tricky D wrote: »

By law Spanish hotels require a passport number and name for foreigner guests and this info is forwarded to the police. Spanish national id is fine for Spanish nationals.

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/spain/local-laws-and-customs


Any valid EU national id is fine for police stops, bank transactions etc. PSC is not national id.

Spain has set the bar higher than other EU countries due to the Madrid Bombings in 2004.

Surely hotels must be satisfied with national id instead of passport.
Hardly any EU citizens travel within EU with a passport (except from Irish and British people where national IDs are not issued)

SmartinMartin

Have a great time. Bring her something nice home.

tricky D

CiniO wrote: »

Surely hotels must be satisfied with national id instead of passport.

Hotels have no leeway as it is a legal requirement.

CiniO

tricky D wrote: »

Hotels have no leeway as it is a legal requirement.

I honestly don't believe hotels in Spain wouldn't accept national ID from any EU country.
By doing so, they couldn't accomodate majority of people travelling from EU, as most of those people travel without passport, and many of then don't even hold a passport.

AlanBriar

Thank you all for the replies, much appreciated

Looks like we won't be going to Spain this time, Although I really should have checked if she had a passport, I assumed she did and got a great surprise myself when she said she didn't,

On another note, does anyone know if ryanair would give me a refund on the tickets ?

EagererBeaver

AlanBriar wrote: »

Thank you all for the replies, much appreciated

Looks like we won't be going to Spain this time, Although I really should have checked if she had a passport, I assumed she did and got a great surprise myself when she said she didn't,

On another note, does anyone know if ryanair would give me a refund on the tickets ?

They won't but you can reclaim the taxes on them.

tricky D

Anti-Terrorism laws and common sense don't always intersect well.

magicbastarder

CiniO wrote: »

I honestly don't believe hotels in Spain wouldn't accept national ID from any EU country.
By doing so, they couldn't accomodate majority of people travelling from EU, as most of those people travel without passport, and many of then don't even hold a passport.

it's on official british government advice site that spain requires a passport number from foreign visitors too:

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/spain/local-laws-and-customs

you may have a problem if you drive over the pyrenees into spain without needing a passport, and shack up unannounced at a hotel looking for accomodation; but it may be the case that on taking bookings, they'll ask for the passport number.

CiniO

magicbastarder wrote: »

it's on official british government advice site that spain requires a passport number from foreign visitors too:

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/spain/local-laws-and-customs

you may have a problem if you drive over the pyrenees into spain without needing a passport, and shack up unannounced at a hotel looking for accomodation; but it may be the case that on taking bookings, they'll ask for the passport number.

Probably because it's UK official site it mentions passport only as there's no national IDs in Uk.

But surely Spanish hotels must accept national Id from EU countries that issue them.
As I said most Europeans travel within EU without passport.


Btw you don't need to drive through Pyrenees to get there without a passport. National id is perfectly fine for travelling within eu including Ireland and UK.

Obviously by no means I'm trying to say that Irish public services card is in fact national id as it isn't.

magicbastarder

this is one of the parts about schengen i'd wondered about. EU citizens are able to travel freely within the EU without passports. but if challenged, what documentation is sufficient to prove you're an EU citizen?

Hack12

You need a passport for Spain and even if just to UK Ryanair company policy requires a passport.

CiniO

magicbastarder wrote: »

this is one of the parts about schengen i'd wondered about. EU citizens are able to travel freely within the EU without passports. but if challenged, what documentation is sufficient to prove you're an EU citizen?

It's wrong understanding.
Schengen zone means there's no permanent border control between member countries. However random checkes still exist.
This doesn't interfere at all required documents when travelling within EU - those documents are passport or national ID.

So if you're crossing German-French border, very likely there'll be no border control and document checks, but you still must have valid passport or national ID with you.

If you travel from France to Ireland (which is not in Schengen zone) there will be border control/document check, but still same rules apply that you need passport or national ID.

CiniO

Hack12 wrote: »

You need a passport for Spain and even if just to UK Ryanair company policy requires a passport.

Passport or EU national ID.

Hack12

Ireeland and UK are not part of Shengan so rules apply until on mainland Europe.

robbie000

Would you not try get the passport anyway its 15 working days using passport express in the post office. Could then ring up and see if they could fast track it once you get your reference number.

magicbastarder

it's 15 days for renewal.
25 days for first time application.

jimmycrackcorm

Hack12 wrote:

Ireeland and UK are not part of Shengan so rules apply until on mainland Europe.

We also don't have a recognised national id.

jimmycrackcorm

Hack12 wrote:

Ireeland and UK are not part of Shengan so rules apply until on mainland Europe.

We also don't have a recognised national id.

mikeecho

@OP

unless you are travelling to the UK you WILL NEED A VALID passport.. eu or no eu

Hack12 wrote: »

Ireland and UK are not part of Shengan so rules apply until on mainland Europe.

Dont expect


it to be made in 24hrs.

live and learn

CiniO

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

We also don't have a recognised national id.

But as part of EU, Ireland must recognise national ID's from other EU countries.

Not that it makes any difference for OP.

dedaw

Can I piggy back this thread with a question please?
What ID would be needed to fly from Dublin to Kerry? If any. For adults and kids.
Thanks.

purplepanda

Ryanair at least always seem to want passport ID for flights within & between Britain & Ireland, I know that wasn't the case for Aer Lingus a few years back, London to Dublin.

You should really check with your prospective airline before booking to find out their latest policies in ID for travelling.

VG31

dedaw wrote: »

Can I piggy back this thread with a question please?
What ID would be needed to fly from Dublin to Kerry? If any. For adults and kids.
Thanks.

It's a domestic flight, so Aer Lingus will accept practically anything with your photo on it.
https://www.aerlingus.com/travel-information/passports-and-visas/travel-to-from-britain/

trellheim

We also don't have a recognised national id.

Yes we do that is what the passport card is for.

VG31

trellheim wrote: »

Yes we do that is what the passport card is for.

The passport card is just another form of a passport, it's not a national ID card.

fritzelly

https://www.passportappointments.ie/

May (with much emphasis) get it in time. Tho do you really wanna be hanging on the last day hoping it comes with bags packed

Spook_ie

CiniO wrote: »

But as part of EU, Ireland must recognise national ID's from other EU countries.

Not that it makes any difference for OP.

Re Passports v National ID for EU travel, I would assume it to be the same for all EU Schengan signees, though the 90 day limit is interesting.


https://www.dfa.ie/irish-embassy/france/passports/top-passport-questions/to-travel-between-country-and-ireland/

Do I need a passport to travel between Ireland and France?
Irish citizens travelling between France and Ireland must hold a valid passport.

For French citizens wishing to travel to Ireland, a valid national identity card or passport is necessary. The passport or identification card should be valid for the duration of the stay. An identity card is permissible for a stay of less than 90 days. For longer periods, a valid passport is necessary.

Only valid identification cards and passports are accepted.

Wishbone Ash

munchkin_utd wrote: »

.....The UK doesnt require a passport on arrival if youre irish (so same as crosing border at Newry or Newtonbutler) but EVERYWHERE else in the world requires you to have a passport.

It's not just Northern Ireland. Many land borders do not require a passport. I've cycled across borders many times in various European countries and was never asked for a passport or any form of identification.

L1011

There is often an assumption that you will be carrying your national ID in those cases

EagererBeaver

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

It's not just Northern Ireland. Many land borders do not require a passport. I've cycled across borders many times in various European countries and was never asked for a passport or any form of identification.

Yes, but that's not the same because you'll have travelled from one Schengen country to another.

If you fly from Dublin to, for example, Munich, you will be required to produce your passport.

CiniO

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

It's not just Northern Ireland. Many land borders do not require a passport. I've cycled across borders many times in various European countries and was never asked for a passport or any form of identification.

Fact that you were not asked for it, doesn't mean you didn't need to have it.

Every person crossing any country border in EU must have valid passport or National ID with them.
Fact that in Schengen zone they are usually not checked doesn't releive you from obligation of having them.

CiniO

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Yes, but that's not the same because you'll have travelled from one Schengen country to another.

If you fly from Dublin to, for example, Munich, you will be required to produce your passport.

True. Always when travelling from Ireland to Schengen zone you are meant to be asked for passport or national ID.

In practice though many times I took ferry from dublin to Holyhead and then Dover to Calais/Dunkirk and wasn't asked for passport or ID, which effectively allowed me to enter Schengen zone without showing my passport or ID.

Not that it's allowed, but it happens.

Wishbone Ash

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Yes, but that's not the same because you'll have travelled from one Schengen country to another....

Point taken - my ignorance.

CiniO wrote: »

Fact that you were not asked for it, doesn't mean you didn't need to have it....

Any borders I crossed didn't have any border personnel so there was no one to ask me in the first place (i.e. most of my land crossings were on high mountain passes).

In saying that, I wasn't aware that I should have had a passport on me.

Ahhhh for forks sake!

tricky D wrote: »

By law Spanish hotels require a passport number and name for foreigner guests and this info is forwarded to the police. Spanish national id is fine for Spanish nationals.

CiniO wrote: »

Surely hotels must be satisfied with national id instead of passport.
Hardly any EU citizens travel within EU with a passport (except from Irish and British people where national IDs are not issued)

tricky D wrote: »

Hotels have no leeway as it is a legal requirement.

CiniO wrote: »

I honestly don't believe hotels in Spain wouldn't accept national ID from any EU country.
By doing so, they couldn't accomodate majority of people travelling from EU, as most of those people travel without passport, and many of then don't even hold a passport.

Bollocks. A national ID card from an EU/EEA county is equivalent to a passport. It is a citizenship document which is only issued to citizens of that country. Spain are not the only country who requires hotel guests to submit ID at reception.

My Irish passport card has been accepted all over Europe. So has my Dutch friend's national ID card.

Ahhhh for forks sake!

SmartinMartin wrote: »

Have a great time. Bring her something nice home.

There's no need to snarky comments like that. I'm sure the OP is upset enough.

trellheim

The Irish Passport Card is a "Supplement" to the actual passport and not a passport in its own right ( this is why its validity can't go beyond your big passport dates) - doesn't work outside the EU/associated EU nations . It is akin to a National ID and is accepted by the other EU states as a "travel document"

see http://www.consilium.europa.eu/prado/en/prado-documents/irl/index.html

you will see that the Card is a travel document and not a passport.