Alternative housing to work against homelessness..

Graces7

See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHb3rRY41Vc


Why not here?

There are many more. Clean, healthy, easily built dwellings at a low cost..

And this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zizTKvm2uhk

Graces7

By the way, I live in what they call here a "demountable dwelling"; that was council owned but lying many years empty. The ultimate in recycling.
It was either that as after a year long search my car was looking to be home...,

I had never heard of these and am impressed. Light, airy. safe.

WHY the hostility in Dublin? That is a major issue surely?

In the UK after the war I grew up where there were acres and acres of prefabs as whole towns were bombed out. They went up fast as the homlessness there then made Irelandl look like a picnic.

Are we to do less for our people in this "war"?

Samuel T. Cogley

Absolutely no one would want this is their backyard and the places it could be put would see them destroyed in weeks by the local element.

NIMBY. NIMBY. NIMBY. Add in distance from mammy, school, work and you’ve some idea of why it wouldn’t work.

LirW

Please solve the housing crisis but don't do it anywhere near me. It's obnoxious beyond words.
I've seen another idea a while ago that was developed in the South of the US, pressing plastic recycling waste into blocks and build houses for the homeless out of it, the pilot project was small, nice enough dwellings. The outcry of people was insane from "it's ugly" to "but what about fumes that could develop when it gets warm?".
The truth is lots of people only care about the poor when they might get any help where others aren't in benefit from. There is no real interest from people owning a 3bed semi anywhere to undergo any changes in the area because it could de-valuate their property.

Graces7

http://www.thejournal.ie/modular-housing/news/

So irish people do not care about the homeless? All talk?

"great little country" indeed..

Gatling

Graces7 wrote: »

Why not here?

There are many more. Clean, healthy, easily built dwellings at a low cost..

And this

Because everyone wants a 3 bed with front and back garden , with minimal amount rents and only in 2 or 3 estates , and only 5 minutes walk from mammies house

Graces7

Deleted User wrote: »

NIMBY. NIMBY. NIMBY. Add in distance from mammy, school, work and you’ve some idea of why it wouldn’t work.

Not quite sure who you are blaming? Everyone? Listen to some of the interviews. You are wrong

Graces7

Gatling wrote: »

Because everyone wants a 3 bed with front and back garden , with minimal amount rents and only in 2 or 3 estates 5 minutes walk from mammies house

I do not believe that.

Kitty6277

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Absolutely no one would want this is their backyard and the places it could be put would see them destroyed in weeks by the local element.

I can't see an issue with them, and surely they look better than the many homeless we have lining the streets?

Graces7

LirW wrote: »

Please solve the housing crisis but don't do it anywhere near me. It's obnoxious beyond words.
I've seen another idea a while ago that was developed in the South of the US, pressing plastic recycling waste into blocks and build houses for the homeless out of it, the pilot project was small, nice enough dwellings. The outcry of people was insane from "it's ugly" to "but what about fumes that could develop when it gets warm?".
The truth is lots of people only care about the poor when they might get any help where others aren't in benefit from. There is no real interest from people owning a 3bed semi anywhere to undergo any changes in the area because it could de-valuate their property.

Th US are way ahead of us and so are the UK

Stheno

Graces7 wrote: »

I do not believe that.

Look up the reasons for tefusals to the council, you can google it.

Reference a recent post by yourself that you could not live in an estate as you "need"solitude

Same thing basically

Graces7

Kitty6277 wrote: »

I can't see an issue with them, and surely they look better than the many homeless we have lining the streets?

Many of the rough sleepers would not come in. But the families with children in hotels?

Sure there are chancers, but they can be screened out.

Graces7

Stheno wrote: »

Look up the reasons for tefusals to the council, you can google it.

Reference a recent post by yourself that you could not live in an estate as you "need"solitude

Same thing basically

No; mine are medical reasons at base, linked with my illness and age. and yes I saw that . But that is not everyone . filter though and find the genuine needy

Plenty to choose from.

And I took what was on offer . Immediately although I had no idea what I was coming to.

jimmycrackcorm

Gatling wrote:

Because everyone wants a 3 bed with front and back garden , with minimal amount rents and only in 2 or 3 estates , and only 5 minutes walk from mammies house

The lefties of the anti everything parties are only interested in the ideological position where the homeless or anyone on SW can get the exact same house as someone who works to pay for theirs.

Graces7

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

The lefties of the anti everything parties are only interested in the ideological position where the homeless or anyone on SW can get the exact same house as someone who works to pay for theirs.

:rolleyes:

What has that got to do with anything? The modulars are being built and offered to families .

NIMAN

Kitty6277 wrote: »

I can't see an issue with them, and surely they look better than the many homeless we have lining the streets?

We don't have many homeless lining the streets.

Don't believe the figures put out there. They are figures from people with agendas.

Eric Cartman

What people who are 'homeless' want :

3 bed semi in a nice part of Dublin / Cork with a back garden big enough for a trampoline 2 minutes walk from the luas, a shop and a school.

they are willing to stay in hotels or hostels (or more likely in their parents cosy house) until they get that.

if you built a bunch of these in naul or ballymun or meath / Kildare you would get a very low uptake on them.

Most people in emergency accommodation (hotel/hostels) over 6 months have rejected an offer of a property, remember that before you start to feel sorry for them.

Graces7

Eric Cartman wrote: »

What people who are 'homeless' want :

3 bed semi in a nice part of Dublin / Cork with a back garden big enough for a trampoline 2 minutes walk from the luas, a shop and a school.

they are willing to stay in hotels or hostels (or more likely in their parents cosy house) until they get that.

if you built a bunch of these in naul or ballymun or meath / Kildare you would get a very low uptake on them.

Most people in emergency accommodation (hotel/hostels) over 6 months have rejected an offer of a property, remember that before you start to feel sorry for them.

Not feeling sorry for them! For the kids yes. Wish though you would not make blanket derogatory statements without proof. And the council do have powers to take sanctions.

Graces7

Graces7 wrote: »

:rolleyes:

What has that got to do with anything? The modulars are being built and offered to families .

Offered, maybe. But are they being accepted?

Graces7

Graces7 wrote: »

Th US are way ahead of us and so are the UK

You have obviously never been to the US if you think they are way ahead of us in dealing with homelessness. Homelessness meaning people living on the streets not those in free hotels refusing perfectly good homes as it's not the exact house they want.

The_Conductor

Graces7 wrote: »

Not feeling sorry for them! For the kids yes. Wish though you would not make blanket derogatory statements without proof. And the council do have powers to take sanctions.

Have a look at the reasons that properties have been turned down in the various local authorities. I wish it were true that people were making blanket statements and derogatory comments without proof- honestly, I wish it were true. You'll be staggered when you read the list of reasons properties were turned down. I suggest you start on Cork's list first- there are some mindblowing examples down there.

Eric Cartman

Nixon Narrow Prodigy wrote: »

You have obviously never bee to the US I feel you think they are way ahead of us.

I originally agreed, however re-reading that users post I feel they might mean in terms of building materials / renewable building which I would say is true, even the style guides and planning boards here severely limit what style you can make your house and what you can make it from.

Eric Cartman

Graces7 wrote: »

Not feeling sorry for them! For the kids yes. Wish though you would not make blanket derogatory statements without proof. And the council do have powers to take sanctions.

from here :
https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/3000-social-housing-offers-turned-down-in-past-two-years-450651.html

Just 46 of the 468 refusals across both years were deemed “reasonable” by the housing department within the local authority, with the remainder considered “unreasonable”.

less than 10% of the 468 refusals of houses were considered reasonable.

Two offers made in Wicklow were refused because the applicant wanted “a cottage on its own”.

In Wexford, the fact that only a street view was on offer was cited in one case. In South Dublin four applicants would not take up an offer because they said they were feuding with other families in the area;

this kind of crap makes it really really really hard for me to feel sorry for any of these applicants.

Visconti

Eric Cartman wrote: »

What people who are 'homeless' want :

3 bed semi in a nice part of Dublin / Cork with a back garden big enough for a trampoline 2 minutes walk from the luas, a shop and a school.

they are willing to stay in hotels or hostels (or more likely in their parents cosy house) until they get that.

if you built a bunch of these in naul or ballymun or meath / Kildare you would get a very low uptake on them.

Most people in emergency accommodation (hotel/hostels) over 6 months have rejected an offer of a property, remember that before you start to feel sorry for them.

Fact.

Spanish Eyes

Anyone know if the rules have changed regarding refusals of offers or what?

Surely three rejections should leave you back at the bottom of the list. There is always a transfer list, but get into a house FGS.

Ah but I forgot, the usual objections to being housed by the hardworking taxpayer, you know, too far out, ASB, not near my snowflake's school, etc. etc.

Sorry now, but the reality is that some (I said some) are remaining in hotels and temporary accommodation to bump up on the list. A councillor I think it was Jimmy Guerin stated on J Duffy show that some (I said some) are staying in hotels, but living elsewhere with mammy etc. to keep their place on top of the list. JOE Duffy shut him up very quickly. Not for discussion at all. Joe is a lefty even though he is rich. Hope he enjoys his smoked salmon now and then.

Gatling

Graces7 wrote: »

Not feeling sorry for them! For the kids yes. Wish though you would not make blanket derogatory statements without proof. And the council do have powers to take sanctions.

The council's don't not unless you turn down 3 properties in a 12 month period ,but in theory you could turn down 2 properties every year for 10+ years and face no sanction ,

You move into a hotel or b&b free of charge and no bills for utilities and free internet ,st Vincents visiting regular handing out shopping vouchers and other groups feeding you for free ,

Harsh living .

I don't want to pay ,my rent or bills
I'd love regular foreign holidays and a car but till myself and wife have our respective degrees and full time jobs it's not going to happen

Visconti

Graces7 wrote: »

Not feeling sorry for them! For the kids yes. Wish though you would not make blanket derogatory statements without proof. And the council do have powers to take sanctions.

Those kids are the next generation of lidl smashers. They will already have their parents scumbag air of entitlement coupled with a chip on their shoulder that they spent time growing up in a 4-5 star hotel because Maaa couldent get the house she wanted 2 mins from her sisters and 3 mins from her ma with a nice garden and 3 bedrooms .

dhaughton99

The SDCC are building 20 houses at a cost of 4.2 mil next to our council estate. We recently had an residents meeting in regards to this and all we got from 2 families was “my Johnny/Mary is homeless in a hotel with his girlfriend and baby and was brought up here so he should get one”. This from the same people whose parents and themselves intimidated and destroyed the estate when growing up and never done an ounce of labour in their lives. One of the families already have 3 houses out of 28 in this estate. They have been to the local politicians and clergy to try pull some strings. Its just a big con for them. €20 rent out of their dole and a house for life. Sickening.

Eric Cartman

dhaughton99 wrote: »

The SDCC are building 20 houses at a cost of 4.2 mil next to our council estate. We recently had an residents meeting in regards to this and all we got from 2 families was “my Johnny/Mary is homeless in a hotel with his girlfriend and baby and was brought up here so he should get one”. This from the same people whose parents and themselves intimidated and destroyed the estate when growing up and never done an ounce of labour in their lives. One of the families already have 3 houses out of 28 in this estate. They have been to the local politicians and clergy to try pull some strings. Its just a big con for them. €20 rent out of their dole and a house for life. Sickening.

This is one of the large problems, people object to building all social housing because it 'creates ghettos' , a mix of a majority working people who are low income and the few scroungers doesn't cause this, but allowing the intergenerational welfare dependents to all live near each other , especially families with say more criminal tendencies causes the decline of an area. "I need to be near my ma" is not a valid excuse for a house and if anything , if your ma is on welfare her whole life you should be flagged to not be put near anyone else like that, might teach you to work.

Gatling

dhaughton99 wrote: »

The SDCC are building 20 houses at a cost of 4.2 mil next to our council estate. We recently had an residents meeting in regards to this and all we got from 2 families was “my Johnny/Mary is homeless in a hotel with his girlfriend and baby and was brought up here so he should get one”. This from the same people whose parents and themselves intimidated and destroyed the estate when growing up and never done an ounce of labour in their lives. One of the families already have 3 houses out of 28 in this estate. They have been to the local politicians and clergy to try pull some strings. Its just a big con for them. €20 rent out of their dole and a house for life. Sickening.

Calling bs on this ,
Didn't happen

Owryan

dhaughton99 wrote: »

The SDCC are building 20 houses at a cost of 4.2 mil next to our council estate. We recently had an residents meeting in regards to this and all we got from 2 families was “my Johnny/Mary is homeless in a hotel with his girlfriend and baby and was brought up here so he should get one”. This from the same people whose parents and themselves intimidated and destroyed the estate when growing up and never done an ounce of labour in their lives. One of the families already have 3 houses out of 28 in this estate. They have been to the local politicians and clergy to try pull some strings. Its just a big con for them. €20 rent out of their dole and a house for life. Sickening.

It's scary the amount of extended families that are in council houses. It becomes a fact of life that their children turn 18 and instead of getting a card they get on the housing list.

We had one woman camp outside the council offices in Carlow demanding the council keep on housing her. A council official came out and pointed out that her entire family is in council housing and she should start with them.

dhaughton99

Gatling wrote: »

Calling bs on this ,
Didn't happen

It’s not bs. The houses will be occupied in June. Kitchen are going in at the moment.

Gatling

dhaughton99 wrote: »

It’s not bs. The houses will be occupied in June. Kitchen are going in at the moment.

And they told you at this meeting who all the tenants are .
Pull the other one

dhaughton99

Gatling wrote: »

And they told you at this meeting who all the tenants are .
Pull the other one

You must be mixed up. They already have houses in this estate. They are looking for the new houses for their children.

Visconti

dhaughton99 wrote: »

It’s not bs. The houses will be occupied in June. Kitchen are going in at the moment.

I believe you. I am a private landlord. My house was trashed by a family on welfare they even kept the rent money (it was paid into their account).
It took me 3 months to get them out then 2 months to get the house ready for new tenants (domestic waste etc dumped)
18 months to get to court and a judgement they had no money to pay.
They were given free hotel accommodation the night they walked out of my house and left it open to whoever.
They were a few months in a free hotel and then got their keys to a free house from "Tuath"
Fingal county council were aware of what they did to the property I saved so hard to get, as were welfare I was informed it was a private issue and the fact "Tuath" gave them a free house was non of my business.
And no they were not travellers just scumbags on welfare.
This country is a disgrace.

Visconti

Gatling wrote: »

And they told you at this meeting who all the tenants are .
Pull the other one

Everyone has the right to know who the new tenants are its to stop people skipping the list. You can go in and check where you are on the free housing list.

Eric Cartman

Gatling wrote: »

And they told you at this meeting who all the tenants are .
Pull the other one

I took it from this that there was a meeting by residents of the current council estate and some families stood up making the point that their sponging spawn should get a house in the new part just because, very believable, happens all the time.

Wheeliebin30

Visconti wrote: »

I believe you. I am a private landlord. My house was trashed by a family on welfare they even kept the rent money (it was paid into their account).
It took me 3 months to get them out then 2 months to get the house ready for new tenants (domestic waste etc dumped)
18 months to get to court and a judgement they had no money to pay.
They were given free hotel accommodation the night they walked out of my house and left it open to whoever.
They were a few months in a free hotel and then got their keys to a free house from "Tuath"
Fingal county council were aware of what they did to the property I saved so hard to get, as were welfare I was informed it was a private issue and the fact "Tuath" gave them a free house was non of my business.
And no they were not travellers just scumbags on welfare.
This country is a disgrace.

Makes my blood boil.

Graham

Mod Note:

Folks, enough with the 'all social welfare tenants are......' posts.

the_syco

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Surely three rejections should leave you back at the bottom of the list. There is always a transfer list, but get into a house FGS.

After the rejections, they get to stay where they are.

If this was; after three rejections (it's either yes or no), you're moved to what the council chooses - I'd say people would take what is offered!

Graces7

Eric Cartman wrote: »

from here :
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this kind of crap makes it really really really hard for me to feel sorry for any of these applicants.

Who is asking you to feel sorry for them?

Graces7

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I took it from this that there was a meeting by residents of the current council estate and some families stood up making the point that their sponging spawn should get a house in the new part just because, very believable, happens all the time.

Interesting (!) attitude.

What business of yours please? You have your home.Let others be.

Phoebas

Graces7 wrote: »

Interesting (!) attitude.

What business of yours please? You have your home.Let others be.

Social housing is paid for by us all, so it is all of our business.

Graces7

the_syco wrote: »

After the rejections, they get to stay where they are.

If this was; after three rejections (it's either yes or no), you're moved to what the council chooses - I'd say people would take what is offered!

Interesting interpretation.

Yes you get three chances. That is built into the list conditions. You also get to choose three areas from the list

If you refuse, then if you are on Rent Allowance it get stopped

What I am reading here is the intolerant attitude to the needs of others.The judgemental begrudgery and accusations of eg "entitlement"

Yes we ARE entitled. Ireland is a welfare state. That means entitlement without being called names etc. The atititudes here are like the old workhouse days that the Irish Constitution was aimed at clearing out.

We do nto have to make excuses for our needs. Or be deemed to have to live like paupers. Or be treated like dirt for needing help etc.Or be judged for our needs .

Your life style is your affair. So is mine mine .

Rather than NIMBY, MYOB?

And using every thread to pour out the same ...
Sad..

Alternative housing is needed and will work .. if given a chance and I admire the perserverance of the councils

Graces7

Phoebas wrote: »

Social housing is paid for by us all, so it is all of our business.

How do you work that out? You have no power; that is for the professionals. Social housing is a right and a need.

Yes we pay taxes. So so all of us every time we shop

And most of the bile here is not about social housing at all.

Have a nice day...

Phoebas

Graces7 wrote: »

How do you work that out? You have no power; that is for the professionals. Social housing is a right and a need.

Yes we pay taxes. So so all of us every time we shop

And most of the bile here is not about social housing at all.

Have a nice day...

So, let me get this straight.
You post about housing policy across this site and that's ok.
Other people post about housing policy that you don't like, and they should mind their own business.

Graces7

Phoebas wrote: »

So, let me get this straight.
You post about housing policy across this site and that's ok.
Other people post about housing policy that you don't like, and they should mind their own business.

Most of the posts are far from objective re housing policy. A few are. But some of the epithets? "sponging spawn" ?

We are not beggars. Citizens.

Over and out from me on this.

Deeply thankful for my small modular house and to be away from renting privately

The_Conductor

Graces7 wrote: »

Most of the posts are far from objective re housing policy. A few are. But some of the epithets? "sponging spawn" ?

We are not beggars. Citizens.

Over and out from me on this.

Deeply thankful for my small modular house and to be away from renting privately

Grace- its not all about you.
If you used facts and figures to try and refute what others are posting- rather than hyperbole- perhaps you'd have a better debate with people.

_Brian

The government need to focus on getting empty council housing stock back into occupancy.
There an alarming number of houses in various estates just boarded up.

Modular housing and placing further draconian controls on private landlords should all be off the agenda until all empty council houses are repaired and brought back into use.

Wanderer78

_Brian wrote:

The government need to focus on getting empty council housing stock back into occupancy. There an alarming number of houses in various estates just boarded up.

I come from a disadvantaged area, there's no possible way you could bring a family up in some of these areas, as you would constantly live in fear, I would recommend no family to take one these houses in my area.