South Africa like 1930's Germany?

Interchange Jews and white people, over reaction?
Not too much in the media but came across this:

‘The time for reconciliation is over’: South Africa votes to confiscate white-owned land without compensation

http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/the-time-for-reconciliation-is-over-south-africa-votes-to-confiscate-whiteowned-without-compensation/news-story/a8a81155995b1adc1c399d3576c4c0bc

Afriforum says it is forced to compile its own numbers because the South African government — which denies the attacks are racially motivated or that white farmers are killed in disproportionate numbers — stopped releasing farm murder statistics in 2008.

“Our rural areas are trapped in a crime war,” Afriforum head of safety Ian Cameron said in a statement, adding that torture with irons, blowtorches, melted plastic and boiling water often continued for hours during the attacks

This guy is a member of parliament:

Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) leader Julius Malema, who recently declared his party was “cutting the throat of whiteness”, denied white farmers were being killed. “We don’t know violence, we know negotiations,” Malema told a packed Human Rights Day rally in Mpumalanga Stadium on Wednesday.

we are not calling for the slaughter of white people‚ at least for now

http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/south-african-politician-says-australia-is-a-racist-country-farmers-should-leave-the-keys-when-they-go/news-story/e98607c4fa66d30d9b2731aa30e2a956

jimgoose

Delighted to see a Progressive approach to the Wi'Pipo issue. :cool:

seagull

Julius Malema has been widely condemned in the SA media. He heads up a minority party. He deserves to be considered in much the same way as Julian Farage and UKIP in terms of UK politics.

backspin.

It's not a fashionable cause and it is counter narrative in 2018 unfortunately.

Red_Wake

No doubt Concern will be appealing for aid for SA in a few years when it completes its transition to a failed state.

diomed

I'm not a racist but -
fifty years after African countries got independence none of them has won the World Cup.
With the exception of Equitorial Guines (oil revenue) almost all African countries are 120th+ in GDP per capita.

wes

The politician the OP quotes was expelled from the ANC, and is the head of a racist party. We have dozens of those in Europe and old Trumpasaur and company in the US, saying all kinds of crap about minorities. Hell, there are far right boardies who have said far worse about various minority groups on here. Doesn't mean a genocide is imminent in the US or Europe.

The crime rate in South Africa is certainly concerning, but the only people who are claiming that the Afrikaners are being targeted are foreign (to South Africa) white supremacists, who are more than happy to support attacks on minorities themselves.

CrankyHaus

Nearly every post colonial country requires land reform. We got ours from the Land Acts and it created the 20th century Ireland of small holding farmers where we used to have absentee landlords and rack renting. A lack of land reform often causes violence (see 18th and 19th century Ireland or 1930s Spain). Zimbabwe style land seizures were and are a disaster but what workable solutions are on the table in South Africa? Going on with similar divisions of land and wealth as existed under apartheid is hardly going to be accepted by the majority in SA.

old_aussie

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-15/dutton-wants-australia-to-help-white-south-african-farmers/9550050

Hopefully the whites will all leave prior to the remake of .... Night of the Long Knives.

2 Scoops

Lauren Southern did a recent series in South Africa. When a country hasn't tracked crime / race statistics in years it tells you everything.

Always entertaining when the usual apologists for... the British Empire/white supremacy/Unionism/Brexit drop into these threads to lament people having the temerity to... engage in wholescale land confiscation without compensating the owners.

We don't do irony...

wes

wes wrote: »

The politician the OP quotes was expelled from the ANC, and is the head of a racist party. We have dozens of those in Europe and old Trumpasaur and company in the US, saying all kinds of crap about minorities. Hell, there are far right boardies who have said far worse about various minority groups on here. Doesn't mean a genocide is imminent in the US or Europe.

The crime rate in South Africa is certainly concerning, but the only people who are claiming that the Afrikaners are being targeted are foreign (to South Africa) white supremacists, who are more than happy to support attacks on minorities themselves.

This. 100%.

silverharp

Deleted User wrote: »

Always entertaining when the usual apologists for... the British Empire/white supremacy/Unionism/Brexit drop into these threads to lament people having the temerity to... engage in wholescale land confiscation without compensating the owners.

We don't do irony...

it worked for Zimbabwe :pac:

vladmydad

wes wrote: »

The politician the OP quotes was expelled from the ANC, and is the head of a racist party. We have dozens of those in Europe and old Trumpasaur and company in the US, saying all kinds of crap about minorities. Hell, there are far right boardies who have said far worse about various minority groups on here. Doesn't mean a genocide is imminent in the US or Europe.

The crime rate in South Africa is certainly concerning, but the only people who are claiming that the Afrikaners are being targeted are foreign (to South Africa) white supremacists, who are more than happy to support attacks on minorities themselves.

What has President Trump said negative about minority’s ?

silverharp

silverharp wrote: »

it worked for Zimbabwe :pac:

Exactly. The people who had the biggest problem with Zimbabwe were also the people who were the biggest supporters of that lovely, charming and definitely not racist inclusive state that existed there before it, Rhodesia. There's a pattern there.

wes

vladmydad wrote: »

What has President Trump said negative about minority’s ?

You have Internet access . You know at least some of what Darth Trumpy has said.

seagull

wes wrote: »

The crime rate in South Africa is certainly concerning, but the only people who are claiming that the Afrikaners are being targeted are foreign (to South Africa) white supremacists, who are more than happy to support attacks on minorities themselves.

I have no idea where this idea comes from. There are plenty of South Africans with no links to any white supremacist movement who are suggesting that white farmers are being targeted. I'm not going to say whether the claims are accurate, but you are way off the mark in who you ascribe them to.

seagull

Deleted User wrote: »

Always entertaining when the usual apologists for... the British Empire/white supremacy/Unionism/Brexit drop into these threads to lament people having the temerity to... engage in wholescale land confiscation without compensating the owners.

We don't do irony...

It would appear we also don't do history. Especially not African history in any meaningful way.

Too Tough To Die

An armed gang stormed a police station in SA a couple of months ago, stealing guns and murdering 5 cops in the process. It could be the most racial harmonious country in the world and wealthy, isolated land owners would still be targeted. Life is cheap in South Africa. If you have something others want, you're a target.

up for anything

diomed wrote: »

I'm not a racist but -
fifty years after African countries got independence none of them has won the World Cup.
With the exception of Equitorial Guines (oil revenue) almost all African countries are 120th+ in GDP per capita.

I'm curious to know what exactly you're getting at here? I don't want to hazard a guess.

Any chance you'd elaborate please?

Dick phelan

South Africa will possibly be a failed state down the line, you would have thought Zimbabwe would have been enough warning of what could happen if they messed things up but apparently not. No wonder they have such a massive brain drain in the country, if you're highly educated there's much better places to live.

wes

seagull wrote: »

I have no idea where this idea comes from. There are plenty of South Africans with no links to any white supremacist movement who are suggesting that white farmers are being targeted. I'm not going to say whether the claims are accurate, but you are way off the mark in who you ascribe them to.

Every single time I have heard this brought up before this thread, it has been a White supremacists pushing the narrative. They have been active on social media etc pushing it. These same people have clear genocidal and or racist intentions towards minorities in there own countries, so I simply do not trust them.

Secondly, everything I have read shows that South Africa has a huge crime problem, that is effecting everyone. It seems that foreign (to South Africa) agitators, who have ill intent are the ones pushing the narrative of "white" genocide.

BTW, even look at this thread, the OP is comparing things to 1930's Germany. If I saw comparisons that didn't engage in hyperbole like this, then I would be more likely to take it seriously.

Now, if the claims were that some criminals are targeting white farmers due to race, than that is more believable, but instead we have people claiming "white" genocide, and comparisons to the Holocaust instead, and all of that is being done to push an explicitly racist white supremacist agenda, even if someone of those pushing it are doing so unintentionally.

Irish Praetorian

On a lighter note, for those who are sensitive to ASMR, Julius Malemas Oxford Union speech is apparently a reliable trigger.

Atoms for Peace

Get with the times OP, white men are the devil. :pac:

Victor

diomed wrote: »

fifty years after African countries got independence none of them has won the World Cup.

100 years after independence, neither has Ireland.

Only Europe and South America have had winners. North America, Africa, Asia, Oceania and Antarctica(!) haven't https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FIFA_World_Cup_finals

Notably only 8 of about 200 countries have won the World Cup.

Hande hoche!

Victor wrote: »

100 years after independence, neither has Ireland.

Only Europe and South America have had winners. North America, Africa, Asia, Oceania and Antarctica(!) haven't https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FIFA_World_Cup_finals

Notably only 8 of about 200 countries have won the World Cup.

Is the Africa suggestion owing to Pele? That would be my interpretation.

Odhinn

2 Scoops wrote: »

Lauren Southern did(.................)

.....the exact kind of racist crap you'd expect.

silverharp

Deleted User wrote: »

Exactly. The people who had the biggest problem with Zimbabwe were also the people who were the biggest supporters of that lovely, charming and definitely not racist inclusive state that existed there before it, Rhodesia. There's a pattern there.

who is this mysterious group? i dont think i have ever come across anyone that supports the previous regimes. i know some south africans in dublin and they would say that the country's infrastructure has gone backwards but thats about the height of it.

Ipso

Deleted User wrote: »

Exactly. The people who had the biggest problem with Zimbabwe were also the people who were the biggest supporters of that lovely, charming and definitely not racist inclusive state that existed there before it, Rhodesia. There's a pattern there.

Maybe it's just consistency (I know it's hard to believe it exists when there is only evr two sides to any issue), a sh1t regime is a sh1t regime regardless of the color of peoples skin.

Ulysses Gaze

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Is the Africa suggestion owing to Pele? That would be my interpretation.

Yes...but Pele also put El Hadji-Diouf in his list of top 100 living footballers.

Which renders his opinion null and void.

drillyeye

Ipso wrote: »

Maybe it's just consistency (I know it's hard to believe it exists when there is only evr two sides to any issue), a sh1t regime is a sh1t regime regardless of the color of peoples skin.

That's basically the point of the other thread I started, that ALL people are the same.

Namely, ALL groups will fook the other group, all they need is the opportunity. The prevalence of "you have privilege" is merely a poor mans tactic to attain power.......and then it begins all over again.

I wouldn't be surprised in the least if South Africa erupts in race-targeted violence, its just people doing what people do.

backspin.

There seems to be something more than simple robbery going on. The levels, duration and savagery of the violence would lead me to believe raw hatred and revenge are as much a part of these attacks as robbery is.

siucra22

SA whites, boers, english, irish and german are outnumbered 5/1
the government and police are also against them,
but they will prevail
send guns and ammo

Juan More Time

Ever since the dismantling of the apartheid regime, the once steady trickle of Afrikaners (white South Africans) showing up in the UK and Ireland looking for a country of refuge has recently become a raging torrent. Ten years ago they were mainly wealthy land owners who were forced to sell their farms cheap...So at least when they showed up in Ireland most could afford to buy themselves a few acres of a smallholding...

Nowadays quite a lot of the Afrikaners who show up in Ireland are fleeing a failed democracy. Most of them are pretty cash strapped and end up social welfare....The council estates seem to be full of single/Divorced Afrikaner women rearing two or three children...

Juan More Time

Juan More Time wrote: »

Ever since the dismantling of the apartheid regime, the once steady trickle of Afrikaners (white South Africans) showing up in the UK and Ireland looking for a country of refuge has recently become a raging torrent. Ten years ago they were mainly wealthy land owners who were forced to sell their farms cheap...So at least when they showed up in Ireland most could afford to buy themselves a few acres of a smallholding...

Nowadays quite a lot of the Afrikaners who show up in Ireland are fleeing a failed democracy. Most of them are pretty cash strapped and end up social welfare....The council estates seem to be full of single/Divorced Afrikaner women rearing two or three children...

Will we see people on here who complain about refugees and immigrants arriving in Ireland also complaing about their entry?

Mongfinder General

Juan More Time wrote: »

Ever since the dismantling of the apartheid regime, the once steady trickle of Afrikaners (white South Africans) showing up in the UK and Ireland looking for a country of refuge has recently become a raging torrent. Ten years ago they were mainly wealthy land owners who were forced to sell their farms cheap...So at least when they showed up in Ireland most could afford to buy themselves a few acres of a smallholding...

Nowadays quite a lot of the Afrikaners who show up in Ireland are fleeing a failed democracy. Most of them are pretty cash strapped and end up social welfare....The council estates seem to be full of single/Divorced Afrikaner women rearing two or three children...

South African milfs o’plenty. I’ve a horn on me that would beat a donkey out of a quarry.

siucra22

Juan More Time wrote: »

Ever since the dismantling of the apartheid regime, the once steady trickle of Afrikaners (white South Africans) showing up in the UK and Ireland looking for a country of refuge has recently become a raging torrent. Ten years ago they were mainly wealthy land owners who were forced to sell their farms cheap...So at least when they showed up in Ireland most could afford to buy themselves a few acres of a smallholding...

Nowadays quite a lot of the Afrikaners who show up in Ireland are fleeing a failed democracy. Most of them are pretty cash strapped and end up social welfare....The council estates seem to be full of single/Divorced Afrikaner women rearing two or three children...

south african men are not leaving
they will fight to the last man
hopefully we can ship them tonnes of weapons and ammo

pickarooney

seagull wrote: »

Julius Malema has been widely condemned in the SA media. He heads up a minority party. He deserves to be considered in much the same way as Julian Farage and UKIP in terms of UK politics.

In fairness I don't think Farage has gone as far as slitting people's throats.

backspin.

DubInMeath wrote: »

Will we see people on here who complain about refugees and immigrants arriving in Ireland also complaing about their entry?

No, they will be model citizens and will integrate very quickly. Why would that surprise you.

s7ryf3925pivug

Probably not. They already have abundant access to the coast, and I don't think they are talking about "helping" ethnic south africans in neighbouring countries. However any [white] South Africans I've known have made the place sound horribly dangerous. Constantly need to be on high alert.

professore

One of my best friends is a black South African. He left because the country has gone to sh1t with institutionalised racism against whites destroying the economic engine of the country. Basically reverse apartheid disguised as affirmative action.

A simple example : The rugby and swimming teams have mandated 75% blacks (white dominated sports) whereas the soccer team has no such mandate for 25% whites. The results are predictable, its the reason C J Stander is playing for Ireland.

Funnily enough we see the same thing here in the west with similar programs for women - there is never any push to get more men into nursing or teaching or more women into bin collecting.

dav3

It's true, it's true.

South Africa circa (1948-1994) was like 1930s Germany.

Experience_day

Mongfinder General wrote: »

Juan More Time wrote: »

Ever since the dismantling of the apartheid regime, the once steady trickle of Afrikaners (white South Africans) showing up in the UK and Ireland looking for a country of refuge has recently become a raging torrent. Ten years ago they were mainly wealthy land owners who were forced to sell their farms cheap...So at least when they showed up in Ireland most could afford to buy themselves a few acres of a smallholding...

Nowadays quite a lot of the Afrikaners who show up in Ireland are fleeing a failed democracy. Most of them are pretty cash strapped and end up social welfare....The council estates seem to be full of single/Divorced Afrikaner women rearing two or three children...[/quote

South African milfs o’plenty. I’ve a horn on me that would beat a donkey out of a quarry.

Wow absolutely charming....Would you say the same about Syrian woman fleeing?

6541

I can't say I am an authority on SA, I backpacked around SA many years ago. Absolutely lovely country. But one that is seriously Fooked. I was lucky to get out of some situations with my life !

Hande hoche!

Well there is a possibility that the ANC makes a mess of the next election. The DA seem to more competent.

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Yes...but Pele also put El Hadji-Diouf in his list of top 100 living footballers.

Which renders his opinion null and void.

Harsh but should be noted.

Mongfinder General

Experience_day wrote: »

Mongfinder General wrote: »

Wow absolutely charming....Would you say the same about Syrian woman fleeing?

No, I would not.

JupiterKid

Apparently SA is haemoragging whites at an astounding rate. It seems the country is in serious trouble which is very sad as it seemed to have such a bright future when the evil apartheid ended.

Here in Hanoi, the population of young white South Africans is exploding. All with the same story.. Last choice for any job prospects and massive amounts of violence against whites.

These are 20-30 year olds who are being rejected by their own country. Can't help but feel sorry for them since they've done nothing wrong.

pickarooney

professore wrote: »

A simple example : The rugby and swimming teams have mandated 75% blacks (white dominated sports) whereas the soccer team has no such mandate for 25% whites. The results are predictable, its the reason C J Stander is playing for Ireland.

Your simple example contains one exaggeration and one mistruth.

Danzy

50/50 at this stage whether it collapses in the future.

The corruption, graft and violence are stunning and getting worse.

Unless the ANC loose their hegemonic control, the decline will continue.

Danzy

JupiterKid wrote: »

Apparently SA is haemoragging whites at an astounding rate. It seems the country is in serious trouble which is very sad as it seemed to have such a bright future when the evil apartheid ended.

Under 40 Whites are leaving en masse.