Incident on the Folly

GowlBagJohnson

Anyone witness all the commotion down the end of the Folly? Was driving up past the Ursuline and there was some fella standing on the roundabout with his pants down around his ankles doing the helicopter. Think the crowed in getting food in the Golden Fry got an additional sausage with their snack boxes whether they liked it or not, they got a full view of the whole thing. I was thinking he might be one of the lads from Otterans but I've never seen him around before. I imagine the guards were called up to subdue him.

johnnykilo

The Golden Fry must have opened specially for the occasion did it? Seeing as it's been closed for the last few months :pac:

Harry Palmr

This was amusing the first time. But not now.

magick

He was just showing people to drive around in a clockwise direction

Wanderer78

magick wrote: »

He was just showing people to drive around in a clockwise direction

you d be surprised of the amount of people that dont really know how to use roundabouts properly, nearly flew into somebody today not signalling on the roundabout, not the first time

Captain Red Beard

If you nearly flew into someone sounds like you were in the wrong.

Wanderer78

Captain Red Beard wrote: »

If you nearly flew into someone sounds like you were in the wrong.

i will admit, i misjudged their movements, but they actually werent signalling, where they should have been, our roundabout layouts arent consistent though, it leads to a lot of confusion, 'the altered layouts' are a disaster, ive seen crashes on them due to this fact.

Captain Red Beard

You're still in the wrong chief.

Wanderer78

Captain Red Beard wrote: »

You're still in the wrong chief.

partly in the wrong, im not going into this too much, google maps below, other driver up matties hill, me down keanes road heading down matties hill, him no right signal heading towards cannon street,yes a right signal is required coming up matties hill heading towards cannon street

https://www.google.ie/maps/@52.2509394,-7.1268729,3a,75y,336.93h,75.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWWyVoo3Wcj0dyyC_clp88Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

again, theres an inconstancy in the layout of our roundabouts thats confusing everybody, including me

barneystinson

Wanderer78 wrote: »

partly in the wrong, im not going into this too much, google maps below, other driver up matties hill, me down keanes road heading down matties hill, him no right signal heading towards cannon street,yes a right signal is required coming up matties hill heading towards cannon street

https://www.google.ie/maps/@52.2509394,-7.1268729,3a,75y,336.93h,75.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWWyVoo3Wcj0dyyC_clp88Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

again, theres an inconstancy in the layout of our roundabouts thats confusing everybody, including me

Unless he was indicating left and appeared to be turning, then you absolutely are at fault, it's up to you to yield to traffic already on a roundabout. Unless he was indicating left and taking a line consistent with that, and then threw a last second shimmy to stay on and head for Cannon St then his presence on the roundabout trumps anything to do with indicators that you might throw up in your defence.

StringerBell

This is true.

Wanderer78

barneystinson wrote:

Unless he was indicating left and appeared to be turning, then you absolutely are at fault, it's up to you to yield to traffic already on a roundabout. Unless he was indicating left and taking a line consistent with that, and then threw a last second shimmy to stay on and head for Cannon St then his presence on the roundabout trumps anything to do with indicators that you might throw up in your defence.

Again yes, I was at fault, but in a strange way, so was the other driver, and again, the inconsistency of our roundabout designs and layouts is actually causing issues for all drivers, the other driver actually gave no signalling at all, another common problem on roundabouts. Funnily enough, there was another driver ahead of me, coming from and going to the same direction as me, was in completely wrong lane, and gave no indication at all on roundabout, these issues are very common. We probably all need to get some lessons

Squidvicious

barneystinson wrote: »

Unless he was indicating left and appeared to be turning, then you absolutely are at fault, it's up to you to yield to traffic already on a roundabout. Unless he was indicating left and taking a line consistent with that, and then threw a last second shimmy to stay on and head for Cannon St then his presence on the roundabout trumps anything to do with indicators that you might throw up in your defence.

To be fair to Wanderer, if I'm understanding him correctly, the other driver was taking the third exit off the roundabout but he didn't indicate so Wanderer not unreasonably assumed(in the absence of any indicator) that he was taking the second exit(i.e. going straight). I suppose the bottom line is that we all need to be careful on roundabouts - if there's no indicator, you've got to remember that the other driver could easily have forgotten to indicate. However, it seems to me that Wanderer is being quite reasonable here and accepts that he was partly at fault too. But the other driver seems to me to have been at fault for not indicating.

Wanderer78

Squidvicious wrote: »

barneystinson wrote: »

Unless he was indicating left and appeared to be turning, then you absolutely are at fault, it's up to you to yield to traffic already on a roundabout. Unless he was indicating left and taking a line consistent with that, and then threw a last second shimmy to stay on and head for Cannon St then his presence on the roundabout trumps anything to do with indicators that you might throw up in your defence.

To be fair to Wanderer, if I'm understanding him correctly, the other driver was taking the third exit off the roundabout but he didn't indicate so Wanderer not unreasonably assumed(in the absence of any indicator) that he was taking the second exit(i.e. going straight). I suppose the bottom line is that we all need to be careful on roundabouts - if there's no indicator, you've got to remember that the other driver could easily have forgotten to indicate. However, it seems to me that Wanderer is being quite reasonable here and accepts that he was partly at fault too. But the other driver seems to me to have been at fault for not indicating.

In that particular incident, the driver was taking the second exit, as was I, i.e. both of us, as far as in aware, should have a right signal leaving the roundabout?

Mossy Monk

A thread about someone swinging his mickey around has turned into a thread about roundabout etiquette.

Wanderer78

Mossy Monk wrote: »

A thread about someone swinging his mickey around has turned into a thread about roundabout etiquette.

Shur isn't boards Feckin great! You ve challenged me to continually change the topic of this thread now

Johnboy1951

Wanderer78 wrote: »

In that particular incident, the driver was taking the second exit, as was I, i.e. both of us, as far as in aware, should have a right signal leaving the roundabout?

That is a very odd and oddly marked roundabout.
There is no sign when approaching it to indicate which lane is correct for your desired exit.

If coming up Matties Hill and going onto Cannon St., that has always been a 'straight through', the left exit being Keane's Road and the right (now blocked off) to Roanmore Park.
The road markings have only left and right lanes, indicating no 'straight through'.
It is completely weird!

EDIT: It is even more weird, looking at the google map.
The road markings coming down from the Cannon St side have a 'straight through' arrow and a right turn lane.
So those are in contradiction of the arrows shown on the road coming from the opposite direction.

.... unless the mapping was done between one side being newly done and the other still with old markings .......

Either way, the road indications going down Matties hill are logical, while those coming up are not.

On the matter of signalling .... an indicator should always be used prior to using an exit.
If there is no indicator other road users should presume the vehicle will continue on the roundabout.

barneystinson

Wanderer78 wrote: »

In that particular incident, the driver was taking the second exit, as was I, i.e. both of us, as far as in aware, should have a right signal leaving the roundabout?

You should NEVER be indicating right exiting a roundabout. Logic and common sense should tell you that you're always turning left off a roundabout and should therefore be indicating left. And failing that, the ROTR state it explicitly. https://youtu.be/4rsdaSTOkWk

Wanderer78

barneystinson wrote: »

Wanderer78 wrote: »

In that particular incident, the driver was taking the second exit, as was I, i.e. both of us, as far as in aware, should have a right signal leaving the roundabout?

You should NEVER be indicating right exiting a roundabout. Logic and common sense should tell you that you're always turning left off a roundabout and should therefore be indicating left. And failing that, the ROTR state it explicitly. https://youtu.be/4rsdaSTOkWk

Correct, but this actually wasn't the issue. What indication do you think a person moving up Mattie's hill, heading towards canon st should have, upon entering the roundabout? Thank you

barneystinson

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Correct, but this actually wasn't the issue. What indication do you think a person moving up Mattie's hill, heading towards canon st should have, upon entering the roundabout? Thank you

Right, based on the road markings and on the fact that their intended exit is beyond 12 o'clock...

However, unless they've sat into the left hand lane (for Keane's rd) and indicated left, then once they're on the roundabout before you, they've the right of way and if you proceed into their path it's pretty much entirely your fault.

Wanderer78

barneystinson wrote: »

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Correct, but this actually wasn't the issue. What indication do you think a person moving up Mattie's hill, heading towards canon st should have, upon entering the roundabout? Thank you

Right, based on the road markings and on the fact that their intended exit is beyond 12 o'clock...

However, unless they've sat into the left hand lane (for Keane's rd) and indicated left, then once they're on the roundabout before you, they've the right of way and if you proceed into their path it's pretty much entirely your fault.

They were in the correct lane, with no indication at any stage

robtri

Wanderer78 wrote: »

They were in the correct lane, with no indication at any stage

as annoying as that is...
you would be 100% in the wrong if you pulled out and an accident occurred..

there is no but he was wrong by not indicating argument... he had right of way ... sorry but thats the way it goes

Wanderer78

robtri wrote: »

as annoying as that is...
you would be 100% in the wrong if you pulled out and an accident occurred..

there is no but he was wrong by not indicating argument... he had right of way ... sorry but thats the way it goes

oh i do agree, id be screwed, and of course i did make a mistake, but im not the only one to think, theres something a little 'weird' with that roundabout, and there is something wrong with 'altered' roundabouts, it causes confusion, ive seen crashes on them as they have slightly different rules compared to the standard roundabout. id say, legally id be 100% in the wrong, but in reality im not, as i said, the person before me even got confused, wrong lane, no signalling etc, it really is common, we all need refresher lessons, we really all should be regularly checked, id more than likely fail the test if i redone it now, and i suspect many others would to, very poor system

Johnboy1951

Wanderer78 wrote: »

oh i do agree, id be screwed, and of course i did make a mistake, but im not the only one to think, theres something a little 'weird' with that roundabout, and there is something wrong with 'altered' roundabouts, it causes confusion, ive seen crashes on them as they have slightly different rules compared to the standard roundabout. id say, legally id be 100% in the wrong, but in reality im not, as i said, the person before me even got confused, wrong lane, no signalling etc, it really is common, we all need refresher lessons, we really all should be regularly checked, id more than likely fail the test if i redone it now, and i suspect many others would to, very poor system

Maybe whoever designed the roundabout and road markings needs a refresher course in practicalities!
There is no right turn from that roundabout when coming up Mattie's Hill. The road continues on the other side of the roundabout .... Mattie's Hill again.
Having considered it weird previously, I now consider it dangerous ..... particularly for someone who is not familiar with the road.

Wanderer78

Johnboy1951 wrote:

Maybe whoever designed the roundabout and road markings needs a refresher course in practicalities! There is no right turn from that roundabout when coming up Mattie's Hill. The road continues on the other side of the roundabout .... Mattie's Hill again. Having considered it weird previously, I now consider it dangerous ..... particularly for someone who is not familiar with the road.

It's actually what I'm thinking myself, I probably should report it, I do think it's a little dangerous myself, I'd rather not see an accident on it

debok

Wanderer78 wrote: »

It's actually what I'm thinking myself, I probably should report it, I do think it's a little dangerous myself, I'd rather not see an accident on it

This thread gone bit off topic lads. Supposed to be about a man with his pants down helicoptering like mad. Get back on track its a serious subject!!!!

magick

its all mickeys and roundabouts

Jamie2k9

Anyone know what happened at around 7 this evening, 2 Fire, Ambulance, Garda and Cost Guard flow over the bridge. Ambulances were back quick but garda van been escorted by a fire engine either side towards the Tower.

mooseknunkle

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Anyone know what happened at around 7 this evening, 2 Fire, Ambulance, Garda and Cost Guard flow over the bridge. Ambulances were back quick but garda van been escorted by a fire engine either side towards the Tower.

From the river rescue facebook

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