What retro games would you say are still better than their modern counterparts?

briany

For me, PGA Tour Golf on the Megadrive is one. Modern golf games I have always found to be far too easy to master with their swing systems, making getting to the green in regulation a given. The Megadrive PGA Tour, however, has always provided infinite challenge, and I still find it compelling to this day to pick it up and play a round.

Dublinandy2

briany wrote: »

For me, PGA Tour Golf on the Megadrive is one. Modern golf games I have always found to be far too easy to master with their swing systems, making getting to the green in regulation a given. The Megadrive PGA Tour, however, has always provided infinite challenge, and I still find it compelling to this day to pick it up and play a round.

So many, so many games these days seem to be first person shooters or open world/rpg types. Those types are good but not huge amounts of variety.

But to answer your question Forumla 1 on the amiga, labour intensive to the extreme. Or tge first gran turismo.

CiDeRmAn

Robotron for me is the greatest twin stick shooter of all time.
They've brought new titles with the name as well as twin stick shooters as a genre appearing, but Robotron is still the most sublime.
From the title screen to the levels themselves, particles exploding all over the place.
Simply sublime, as I've said, and never bettered.

Doge

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Robotron for me is the greatest twin stick shooter of all time.
They've brought new titles with the name as well as twin stick shooters as a genre appearing, but Robotron is still the most sublime.
From the title screen to the levels themselves, particles exploding all over the place.
Simply sublime, as I've said, and never bettered.

What are your feelings on Smash TV Arcade?

I probably prefer to Robotron as its less antiquated looking and just seems more fun with all the weapons and violence and gore!

You really need to install that 2 player CP in your cab and map the sticks to Robotron!

Also, theres a Robotron cab at the end of Ready Player One in the background, so keep your eyes peeled for that!

CiDeRmAn

Doge wrote: »

What are your feelings on Smash TV Arcade?

I probably prefer to Robotron as its less antiquated looking and just seems more fun with all the weapons and violence and gore!

You really need to install that 2 player CP in your cab and map the sticks to Robotron!

Also, theres a Robotron cab at the end of Ready Player One in the background, so keep your eyes peeled for that!

For me, I came to Super Smash at the wrong time, I wasn't an owner of a Snes on it's release and when I did get to try it out it didn't work for me at all, as in I couldn't get into it.
When I did come to Robotron was on the MD Williams collection, though it didn't have twin sticks!
It was with MAME that I got into it and the rest is history.
I don't think I've actually played Robotron in it's arcade form at all

And, yes, I really need to install the 2p control panel on my cab!

Retr0gamer

Doom. I won't compare it to modern FPS games as they are pretty much a totally different genre for me but any attempts at making an old school FPS like Doom have been lacklustre, just arena shooters with no level design at all.

Mr.Saturn

Fish in a barrel here, but N64 and GCN Paper Mario absolutely annihilate whatever came after them.

Retr0gamer

Soccer games are too focused on accurately representing the game than actually being fun. I actually think the likes of FIFA and Pro Evo are atrocious as games whereas I used to like the likes of ISS Deluxe and Sensible Soccer.

Football just doesn't translate well into videogame form so it has to be arcady to be enjoyable unlike something like Golf or Ice Hockey.

AVFC.Stephen

Prince of Persia. The original is timeless for me and I can go back to it anytime and enjoy. Even the snes version is decent. Ubisoft did a butchering of it with there hold X and the player turns into an amazing acrobat on the PS

CiDeRmAn

I really liked the first of the PS2 Prince of Persia games.
They did a nice job of using 3D space in that game, and the conceit of the time element, the story being told.in flashback, was clever.
The originals I never got that into tbh

Mr.Saturn

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Soccer games are too focused on accurately representing the game than actually being fun. I actually think the likes of FIFA and Pro Evo are atrocious as games whereas I used to like the likes of ISS Deluxe and Sensible Soccer.

Football just doesn't translate well into videogame form so it has to be arcady to be enjoyable unlike something like Golf or Ice Hockey.

Argue the same for pro-wrestling games. Gen 6 was a peak for the things, with HTCP, Day of Reckoning and whatnot being arcade-y brawlers you'd play with mates. The modern incarnations have just disappeared down the simulation hole (a simulation of a sport that is a simulation of a sport, how meta) and they are the just the driest things now that appeal only to the most hardcore of hardcore. Fire Pro's revival has picked up some of the slack, but never really had the balls-to-wall fun-factor of lobbing a chair at your mate from halfway across the screen whilst he's two seconds from getting a win.

Fast forward to 2018 and WWE 2K18 is just a dry recreation of the television product with little regard to how it plays. Or, as was the case with the Switch port, if it plays at all.

AVFC.Stephen

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I really liked the first of the PS2 Prince of Persia games.
They did a nice job of using 3D space in that game, and the conceit of the time element, the story being told.in flashback, was clever.
The originals I never got that into tbh

I found the first one not bad at first. Put a few hours in of pressing X and it took it's toll. The original was difficult and the jumps could be a nightmare to get right. Under a time limit and a few puzzles to go along with it. The PS versions you could call Aladdin or assassins creed light and it wouldn't of made a difference. I just felt the game was way off in comparison to the original

CiDeRmAn

Well, it predated Assassin's Creed by years.
And I still reckon it was fantastic, but each to their own .
Road Rash was great on the Megadrive, but the 3DO follow up was sublime.
Need for Speed on the 3DO is a follow up to the MD/SNES Test Drive games and is far better.

AVFC.Stephen

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Well, it predated Assassin's Creed by years.
And I still reckon it was fantastic, but each to their own .
Road Rash was great on the Megadrive, but the 3DO follow up was sublime.
Need for Speed on the 3DO is a follow up to the MD/SNES Test Drive games and is far better.

Road rash in its day was brilliant. I can't remember the code but there was a bike you could get that was a death trap lol

Maybe it's a childhood memory thing but any mario I have played past mario world (apart from the mario karts) i have thought were pretty brutal in comparison too.

I guess I may be a little odd with my picks

CiDeRmAn

Super Mario 64 is just incredible, but for odd picks there's a sizable group that prefer SMBIII over SMW.

Dr Bob

Gauntlet
Dont get me wrong , I love the late 90s early 00s Gauntlet Legends,
and the 2014 remake is great (plus one of the characters seems to be voiced by and Irish actress), but I still prefer the original arcade game

Retr0gamer

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Super Mario 64 is just incredible, but for odd picks there's a sizable group that prefer SMBIII over SMW.

I prefer world but if someone told me they prefer smb 3 I couldn't fault them. There's no arguing that both games are so damn near perfect it's impossible to choose.

Doge

Yeah Road Rash on the Mega Drive was incredible, the 3rd one was and still is my favourite.
Proof that a game with a bad frame rate can still be fun and a classic.
I'm going to have to disagree with ciderman and say it was never equalled by the PlayStation version and 3do version.

In the mega drive versions you match the speed of your opponents when going flat out leading to some epic side by side battles.

This is all lost in the 3d versions and combat suffers greatly because of it,which is what sets the game apart from other racing games in the first place.

You tend to just zoom past your opponents instead, rarely engaging in battles with them, which kills the gameplay.

The weaponry is better in Road Rash 3 also and it saves the weapons for your next race.

People should give the mega drive ones again and compare the combat to the PlayStation and 3do version.

Inviere

Street Fighter 2 Hyper Fighting....haven't played an SF game sinc e that has bested it imo (though its predecessor CE holds a special place in my heart!)

o1s1n

Doge wrote: »

Yeah Road Rash on the Mega Drive was incredible, the 3rd one was and still is my favourite.
Proof that a game with a bad frame rate can still be fun and a classic.
I'm going to have to disagree with ciderman and say it was never equalled by the PlayStation version and 3do version.

In the mega drive versions you match the speed of your opponents when going flat out leading to some epic side by side battles.

This is all lost in the 3d versions and combat suffers greatly because of it,which is what sets the game apart from other racing games in the first place.

You tend to just zoom past your opponents instead, rarely engaging in battles with them, which kills the gameplay.

The weaponry is better in Road Rash 3 also and it saves the weapons for your next race.

People should give the mega drive ones again and compare the combat to the PlayStation and 3do version.

Have you played Road Redemption? Big Road Rash II fan growing up, been tempted to give it a go.

Doge

o1s1n wrote: »

Have you played Road Redemption? Big Road Rash II fan growing up, been tempted to give it a go.

I've watched gameplays but havent played it yet. They seem to have got the speed matching down in single player which allows for decent battles.

Must give it a go sometime.

Relikk

Inviere wrote: »

Street Fighter 2 Hyper Fighting....haven't played an SF game sinc e that has bested it imo (though its predecessor CE holds a special place in my heart!)

Yep. Any SF after 3rd Strike, IMO, has been pretty terrible, and Capcom vs. SNK 2 was the last decent game to feature the SF cast.

Modern "2.5D" SF has never clicked with me. It feels so clunky. IV was alright, never really enjoyed playing it, but at least it was exciting to watch. SFV on the other hand, horrible to play and even worse to watch. It's a total snoozefest.

Inviere

Have yet to play V. I just remember playing SF2, CE, & HF in the arcades...the machines blaring, the graphics were amazing, the music so fitting, the competitive play between yourself & whoever came along...t'was more than a game really, it was arcade-era defining.l

CiDeRmAn

I never got fighting games and preferred Samurai Shodown to SF2, an excellent port of which is on the 3DO.
And they tried the 3d update there too, Samurai Spirits Sen, and it was awful.

Doge

o1s1n wrote: »

Have you played Road Redemption? Big Road Rash II fan growing up, been tempted to give it a go.

Just gave it a play through for about a half an hour to an hour and its a lot of fun indeed.

The only criticisms I have is that the combat can get boring pretty quickly I reckon as theres a lot of bikers that aren't in the race to fight against.

I think Road Rash was more balanced that way as you only had your race rivals to fight against to try to reach first place but Road Redemption has fighting going on almost all the time.

Its like the opposite of my criticism of the Playsattion and 3DO version. :P

Also your attacks are much slower than the Mega Drive games, in other words they're more realistic.

I think I actually prefer the snappier attacks on the Mega Drive, but that might be hard to get away with with 3D models.

To sum up Road Redemption is much more of a brawler than race focused compared to the Mega Drive versions.

The J Stands for Jay

AVFC.Stephen wrote: »

Road rash in its day was brilliant. I can't remember the code but there was a bike you could get that was a death trap lol

Maybe it's a childhood memory thing but any mario I have played past mario world (apart from the mario karts) i have thought were pretty brutal in comparison too.

I guess I may be a little odd with my picks

I still play SMW when I'm back in my parents house. It's a classic, but it could still be a current game

AVFC.Stephen

McGaggs wrote: »

I still play SMW when I'm back in my parents house. It's a classic, but it could still be a current game

W and lll are my favourite. I put a lot more time into lll back in the day though. A snes game I use to play over and over was F-Zero. I can't seem to get into racing games anymore. They seem A lot more serious instead of jumping into corners (Mario kart) or even FZ with its laser halo pit stop while on the move ☺. Bring back super ghouls and ghosts and put it on the ps4 remastered and I would pay full price

CiDeRmAn

That's the thing about videogames that people have yet to realise.
The classic ones really don't age at all.
Like books, plays or music, when it's good it's eternal.
So Pacman, Galaga, SMW they will always be good, if not great games to play.
There will be stuff that will age terribly, and the current crop of games for the PS4/XB1 will be as guilty of that as much as the 2600 or Coleco, but the really good games, like Ico or BotW, will be played still in 30 years time I reckon.

wheresmahbombs

The early Sonic games on the Mega Drive, particularly Sonic 2 and S3&K are a prime example of superiority over more recent iterations, bar Mania, which managed to go neck-and-neck with the aforementioned titles.

Sonic has had a rocky reputation for quite a while. From 3D Blast and R to the travesty that was '06, Sonic hasn't been able to keep in form as well as Mario has.

Sonic Mania was absolutely refreshing, however, and I look forward to playing Encore Mode in its Plus release.

Shapey Fiend

Pretty fair to say single player FPS and RTS in general peaked around 1997/98. The gameplay in both genres has been scaled back in scope and ambition since.

Sport game selection is pretty dire in general these days. EA have a monopoly on almost everything. That reminds me I need to check in on Sociable Soccer it was a little too beta to buy last time I checked.

There are certainly cool games like Thumper or Rhythm Thief out there but I haven't seen any "story based" music game that tops Gitaroo Man. I really need to mod my PS2 or get into emulation there are a fair few games I'd like to revisit on that platform.

DinoRex

The original Flashback is way better than the buggy new version that came out a few years ago.

I think there's work being done on a new sequel at the moment though.