Chip usage comparison

Neoulous

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Just looking to do a comparison on scores from now till the end of season.
Im looking for people that are using chips in different ways.
I have no wildcard and will be using FH in 34, TC in 37 and BB in a sgw.
Im looking for someone with the same chips left as me but planning to use FH in 35.
Someone with all chips left thats currently wildcarding and BB 34, FH 35, TC 37
As above but TC 34 and BB 37.
Someone thats wildcarding in gw 33.
Someone with all chips left thats wildcarding in 36.
Someone with no chips left.
Ill use km79 as i know he has no WC and no FH.
If i have missed another strategy that someone is going with maybe put it here.
All I need is your team ID. My opinion is the most important chips in order are Wildcard, FH, TC and then BB and played with dgws the combination of all these chips may benefit in the obvious dgw but hinder in other weeks. The FH chip is a bit of a gamechanger in my opinion. Im also going to include gw 31 in my comparison so hopefully some will have played the FH then.

FH GW31.
WC GW32.
BB GW34.
TC GW37.

Not 100% set on BB & TC (but WC was played that way). Will let you know.

Team ID: 1298572.

GW31: 114 pts.
GW32: 70 pts.

Iused2likebusts

Neoulous wrote: »

FH GW31.
WC GW32.
BB GW34.
TC GW37.

Not 100% set on BB & TC (but WC was played that way). Will let you know.

Team ID: 1298572.

GW31: 114 pts.
GW32: 70 pts.

Cheers I have normanoffside going with that strategy already though. If he changes strategy I'll use yours or if u go TC34 BB 37.

Iused2likebusts

Poker Face wrote: »

I WC in 32 and will be FH in 35 and BB in 37. Have used my TC. Can send you my ID if you need it

Ye that's a different strategy I'll use that if you put up your ID.

kilburn

not sure if you got all you need bit i am planning below

TC 34
WC 36
BB 37

Let me know if you need my team id

patmac

patmac wrote: »

If in the Future this Guy changes his strategy, I am on WC, BB in 34, FH in 35
Point and TC in 37
Current Points 1742, Position 342,517
Team ID 14404

Due to a defence that includes Stephens, Christy and Mee I am changing my strategy to WC32, TC34,FH 35 and BB 37.

Iused2likebusts

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

GW 32 scores with hits taken away
Busts 66
Futureguy 63 played WC
Fingers 68
Scummyman 64
Jimmi 62 played WC
KM79 49
Islander 63 played WC
Normanoffside 79 played WC
Trimmtrabb 53
Benimar 61
Rikand 63

Average score for wildcarders 67
Average score for non wildcarders 60
With the way fixtures fell and with having a lot of poor gw 31 players left in their squad. I was expecting wildcarders to get more of a boost this week. Ill have a look at individual squads in a bit more detail during the week.
Im still waiting on a team ID for Skyster.
Im also still looking for another gw 35/36 wildcarder.

GW 33 scores
Busts 32(-4)
Futureguy 41 gw 32 WC
Fingers 26(-4)
Rikand 38 gw 33 WC
scummyman 39(-4)
Jimmi 35 gw 32 WC
KM79 33(-4)
islander 32 gw 32 WC
normanoffside 27 gw 32 WC
Trimmtrabb 38
Benimar 37(-4)
POkerface 27 gw 32 WC

Avg score no wildcard left - 31
Avg score gw 32 wildcard - 32.5
Avg score gw 33 wildcard- 38
5 of the 6 players with no wildcard took a hit this week . The wildcard so far has given an average boost of 8-9 pts. Things should get interesting this week with BB, FH and TC all in play. Hope to go through the teams later in the week to see what way people are going with their moves.
Also anyone that is playing BB could you put your real bench players on the bench for the purpose of recording the results.

ScummyMan

Interesting stuff Busts, will be a good one to look back on next year

Benimar

Good stuff Busts.

Just one thing to note, I do actually have my WC available (I have no FH). Current plan is TC34, WC 35 or 36 (almost certainly 35) and BB37

Iused2likebusts

Benimar wrote: »

Good stuff Busts.

Just one thing to note, I do actually have my WC available (I have no FH). Current plan is TC34, WC 35 or 36 (almost certainly 35) and BB37

Ye I know that. Have included you in the no wildcard for the average. Although looking at it I might put you in your own group from next week. A late wildcard average .As you will probably be making different decisions due to your differering circumstances.

Mr.Prodston

Sticking in my details as per busts kind request

Team ID: 168728

Rank: 548, 272 (Ahem )

Points: 1796

Strategy

GW34: Free-Hit
GW35: No chip
GW36: Wildcard
GW37: Bench Boost

TC went bust on Kane in the bleak midwinter!

kilburn

As requested Busts

Team Id 235,359
OR Rank 355,625
Total Pts 1,827

TC 34
WC 36
BB 37

Iused2likebusts

This isnt helping my DGW rage but here goes.
The Free hitters
Busts 59
Mr prodston 79

No chips used
Scummyman 75
Islander 86(-4)
Pokerface 88

The Bench boosters
futureguy 106 (21 on bench)
Jimmi 96 (23 on bench)
Normanoffside 99 (17 on bench)
Trimmtrabb 78 (8 on bench)
Rikand 108(19 on bench)

Triple captainers
Im including in brackets what the TC was worth to you. One extra score.
Fingers 86 (8)
KM79 113 (10)
benimar 83(-4) (8)
Patmac 77(-4) (8)
kilburn 102(-8) (8)

Averages
The first number is the average score for each category. The second number in brackets is the number of players that each category had. For example on my FH its 22 even though I had a good few no shows. I had 11 players that were due to have 2 games.
Bench boosters 97.4 (27 players) Bench boost worth an avg of 17.4 pts
Triple captainers 89 ( 20 players) TC worth an average of 8.4 pts
no chip used 82 ( 20 players)
Free hit 69 (22 players)
Free hitters and particularly myself the big losers this week. With the TC chip being only worth 8 pts and having more players than TC and no chip players and all the latest info before playing it you would expect the averages to be a lot closer. Decent returns for BB an average of 17 isnt bad. Interesting that km79 who had no WC and no FH ended up with the highest score this week.

Islander13

I bloody bottled the bench boost and saved it only for Zaha to score twice in the first 30 mins of the Sat games. Been a long rageful gameweek. My only saving grace is that I didnt use the TC chip!

Thx for the analysis btw Iused2like. Interesting

iroced

It's an interesting start Busts but I think you'd need a lot more numbers for better comparison. I'm late to the party but maybe in the future what we could do is set a table with the different plans for the chips and every FSAers who'd will to participate would add his score in the appropriate column.

Personally, so far, the chips have been working good for me but I'm still with the most important of them all (TC) to play. 114 pts for my FH & 116 this GW for my BB.
If I can assume my BB was worth 24 pts (Pope, Mili, Tomkins, Mustafi) I haven't made the exact maths for my GW31 FH... Let's have a look at it.
I had 7 available players. As a matter of comparison i currently have 7 players for GW35 so the situation is similar. I'm planning to make 2 transfers (maybe 3 max). I think I'd have done the same in GW31. Had i done nothing I'd have scored 89 pts. My 2 trasnfers then would certainly have been Shaqiri & Tosun for an extra 15 pts (-4). That is 104 (-4). So I "only" gained 14 pts from my FH (Mili 10 pointer & particularly Choupo 6 pointers despite being rubbish for centuries before that decreased my expected gains).

That is a very simplified view anyway. I'm always looking at this game in the whole picture and were I determined not to use my FH in GW31 (expecting a bigger blank later) I'd have not made the same transfers before GW31. Also if I had my FH available when I WCed in GW32, my WC team would only have been focused on the DGWs. For example, my BB this GW was mainly successful thanks to my planned GW35 players (Mili & Tomkins combined 17 pts).

From your analysis and my own take on how to best play the chips this season I'd say that:
- we'll know after GW35 when was the best GW for the FH (it'll be 31 or 35 and I suspect the latter one will be best considering the potential big hitters) ;
- GW34 seemed to have been best for BB considering there was no huge captain haul and some planned GW34 bench players for BB who have a game in 35 got good scores (e.g. Pope, King, Tomkins, Mili, Gudmundsson, Barnes...) ;
- TC was for GW31 but that is pure hindsight (:p), GW37 will tell.

miller82

have BB and WC left. thinking WC this week with next week in mind then play BB. sound logical yeah ?

kennethrhcp

miller82 wrote: »

have BB and WC left. thinking WC this week with next week in mind then play BB. sound logical yeah ?

its pretty much the only logical option

Iused2likebusts

This weeks scores
Busts 54(-8) 10 players
Futureguy 74 FH
Fingers 76 FH
Scummyman 71 FH
Jimmi 51 FH
KM79 63(-8) 11 players
Islander 56(-8) 10 players
normanoffside 50(-12) 10 players
Trimmtrabb 56(-4) 11 players
Benimar 65 Wildcard
rikand 72 FH
Pokerface 77 FH
Kilburn 57(-8) 11 players
Mr prodston 57(-4) 11 players
Patmac 68 FH

Average scores
Free hit 70
Wildcard 65
No chip 49 - thats after minusing hits average of 8 per player

My take on the FH it was always going to be a good week to use it especially for those on the wc32/33 bb34 strategy. I do think a lot of things fell into place to help FH players. 1/ The leaking of the liverpool team with news that firmino wasnt starting was a help for FH as it was a player they could avoid and a player a lot of the non FH would have. 2/ The aguero injury gave clarity to who would start up front for city a benefit for 35 however the FH now probably looking at a hit to get him. The non fh people took the hit in 35. 3 / Wenger more or less saying it would be lacazette up front and not aubemyang who a lot of non Fh would have had. Lacazette then getting only his second double digit score of the season.

Scores over the last 2 gws and number of players played over last 2 weeks
1 Futureguy 180 WC 32 BB 34 FH 35 (40 players)
2 Rikand 180 WC 33 BB 34 FH 35 ( 40 players)
3 KM79 176 BB 34 ( 30 players)
4 Pokerface 165 WC 32 FH 35 (32 players)
5 Fingers 162 TC 34 FH 35 (32 players)
6 Jimmi 147 WC 32 BB 34 FH 35 (39 players)
7 scummyman 146 FH 35 ( 29 players)
8 Benimar 144 TC 34 WC 35 ( 30 players)
9 Kilburn 143 TC 34 ( 30 players)
10 Patmac 141 WC 32 TC 34 FH 35 (33 players)
11 normanoffside 137 WC 32 BB 34 (36 players)
12 Mr prodston 133 FH 34 (33 players)
13 Islander 130 WC 32 (31 players)
14 Trimmtrabb 130 BB 34 (35 players)
15 Busts 105 FH 34 (32 players)
Lots of different strategies in play there and no surprise the highest scorers are the people that have used 3 chips with BB being more useful than TC in 34. The two highest scorers with the most amount of players aswell. KM79 score is remarkable he only used the TC(which wasnt a great return) and has had the 2nd lowest amount of players out of all of us.

km79

Interesting to see how it is after this week

Iused2likebusts

GW 36 scores
Players that used FH in gw 35
Futureguy 57(-4)
Fingers 47(-4)
Scummyman 46(-4)
Jimmi 36
Rikand 45(-4)
Pokerface 47
Patmac 35

Players that wildcarded in gw 36
Kilburn 61
Mr Prodston 60

The rest
Busts 82 (20 pts on BB)
KM79 69
islander 72
normanofffside 54
Trimmtrab 70
Benimar 63

Averages
Players that used the FH in 35 got an avg score of 42pts in gw 36
Players that didnt use FH in 35 got an avg score of 66pts in gw36
My 20 BB pts are increasing that avg score so you could really say its a 64 pt average instead of 66.

If you combine the average scores over the last two gws
FH 35- 112 ( gw 35 70, gw 36 42)
Non FH-113 (gw 35 49, gw 36 64)

This is why Ive been interested in looking at the strategies as I always feel there is too much focus on a single gw score when assessing the optimal strategy. For example with the FH in 35 they got the boost they should have got in 35 but they were always going to be set up a lot poorer than the rest of us for 36 as the non FH had the city players in place.

Iused2likebusts

Big delay in this . Sorry I forgot all about it.
GW 37
Those that played BB
Fingers 85(-8) BB 16 pts
Scummyman 96(-8) BB 30 pts
KM79 84(-8) BB 14 pts
Benimar 94 BB 20 pts
Pokerface 112(-8) BB 18 pts
Kilburn 91(-8) BB 18 pts
Mr prodston 101 BB 35 pts
Patmac 101(-16) BB 19 pts

Those that played TC
Busts 71 TC 4 pts
Futureguy 70 TC 4 pts
Jimmi 78 TC 4 pts
islander 88 TC 8 pts
normanoffside 76(-4) TC 8 pts
Rikand 70(-12) TC 3 pts

No Chip
Trimmtrabb 72(-4)

Averages
Bench boosters 88.5 pts when hits are subtracted. The only two people that didnt take hits were two players that wildcarded late Benimar gw 35 and Mr prodston gw 36. The BB was worth on average 21 pts this week although lots of hits taken by those that didnt wildcard just before it.
Triple Captainers 72 pts only 2 out of 6 of these players took hits compared to 6 out of the 8 players that played the BB. The TC was worth an average of 5 pts this week.
Discounting the chips this week BB average 67 (88-21) TC also average 67 (72-5) and Trimmtrabb who played no chip got 72(-4)

Im not going to bother posting the gw 38 scores but will just point out that islander played his BB and got 7 pts from it. The 3 highest scorers from gw 38 were Benimar 92 km79 88 normanoffside 84.

Iused2likebusts

I started looking at this in gw 32 so the following are the overall scores for those 7 weeks and the strategy followed.
1 Benimar 487 Gw 34 TC, Gw 35 WC, Gw 37 BB
2 KM79 479 Gw 34 TC, Gw 37 BB
3 Pokerface 459 Gw 32 WC, Gw 35 FH, Gw 37 BB
4 islander 458 Gw 32 WC, GW 37 TC, Gw 38 BB
5 Kilburn 458 Gw 34 TC , Gw 36 WC, gw 37 TC
6 Normanoffside 453 Gw 32 WC, GW 34 BB, Gw 37 TC
7 Scummyman 448 Gw 35 FH, Gw 37 BB
8 Futureguy 447 Gw 32 WC, Gw 34 BB, Gw 35 Fh, Gw 37 TC
9 Rikand 445 Gw 33 WC, Gw 34 BB, Gw 35 FH , Gw 37 TC
10 Mr prodston 444 Gw 34 FH, Gw 36 WC, Gw 37 BB
11 Fingers 435 Gw 34 TC , Gw 35 FH, Gw 37 BB
12 Busts 427 Gw 34 FH, Gw 36 BB, Gw 37 TC
13 Jimmi 420 Gw 32 WC, Gw 34 BB, Gw 37 TC
14 Patmac 417 Gw 32 WC, Gw 34 TC, Gw 35 FH, Gw 37 BB
15 Trimmtrabb 409 Gw 34 BB
Interesting that only 1 of the top 6 had the FH chip to use. Its a chip with a knock on effect as seen in gw 36 when the city players scored well. Im thinking gw 38 might be a good week to use it in in the future.
Benimar went with a fairly out there strategy of WC in the blank gw 35 . At the time I felt it could go well as he could get in the city players for keeps and set himself up for having spurs players.
Great end to the season for Km 79 he got the second highest score with no wildcard and no FH. Which probably shows us to focus on who is playing well and not tie ourselves into a numbers game when filling our squads with just dgw players.
For myself I played my wildcard early and it has helped reinforce my opinion that there is nothing wrong with this strategy. I got my boost from that chip back in january. My downfall was my FH in 34 which ended up costing me points.

Bench Boost was worth 17 pts in 34 and 21 pts in 37.
Triple captain was worth 8.5 pts in 34 and 5 pts in 37.
The optimal strategy for those that played both chips in dgws ended up being TC 34 and BB 37.

These posts will probably be lost with the time of the season its posted but Id be interested to hear posters take on their scores / strategy and anything they would consider for the future.
For myself
1 BB in Sgw is fine as I feel the BB has a knock on effect to your squad when you load up on DGW for your BB
2 FH can cost you the week after you play it. However I think it was fairly unlucky the way west ham and spurs players all delivered in gw 23 and city players in gw 36.
3 Wildcard when your team needs it. Dont hold at all costs.
4 Chips give you a boost. People like to get all these boosts at the end but it doesnt matter when you get the boost.

Bleating Lamb

A lot of regular posters seemed to hold the Free hit chip until the last few weeks of the season,I forget the circumstances that made it seem like a good idea at the time!:).....but I used it in GW10 and didnt get a great points return from it.I think some inform players were playing weak teams but they didn’t perform on the day:(

iroced

FH GW31 - 14 net points
WC GW32 for GW34 BB - 24 pts
TC GW37 - 8 pts

Maybe FH in GW35 would have been better. Not sure... Outside that I'd certainly play similar.

Playing these chips in a SGW can work but I guess if we're (most of) all spending so much time planning for them in the traditional DGWs/BGWs season endings, it's because we all secretly go and hope for the big one. I had a 178 pts DGWs some seasons ago and when things do line up like that it makes your whole season.

Now, if I see no reason to absolutely hold for a late WC, I similarily see no major reasons to get rid of those chips earlier.

Despite the chaos for some in 35 and the moderate return for me in 31, I still think the FH chip is perfect for a BGW for 2 major reasons:
1. It obviously gives you a strong team for the so-called GW ;
2. And most importantly, it requires no planning ahead, meaning that there is no knock on effect pre and post GW for this chip.

This knock on effect makes the BB a deceptive chip to look at. The amount of points it brings when played is almost irrelevant since we'd have to take into account all the moves we did beforehand to get to it (often including WC) and the ones we do after to readjust the team.

Finally, in spite of the excitement these chips certainly bring to the game, I'd still get rid. Too much boost given to the luck factor IMO.