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Peter principle

  • 16-03-2018 10:49pm
    #1
    bebeman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 345 ✭✭


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle
    Have been told a certain two people where a disaster at previous job, could not be demoted so the only way to get rid of them was to move them on with a "promotion" now someones else problem.
    One destroyed shopping in his old job, with anti car position, DL is a ghost town. now wants to do same to city centre.
    One was useless in old job but could hide in the pack. now can't hide how clueless in new job as the boss in charge front and centre making the big decisions.
    We are seeing the damage these two are doing to Dublin public transport, it is chaos and only going to get worse.
    Leo got to grow a pair and fire them, get a outsider from abroad in for a year , do what has to be done make the hard decisions and then leave.


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  • #2
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    I don't like this comparing Dun Laoghaire to Dublin city centre it's not really comparing like with like. Dun Laoghaire is a suburb of Dublin it is not really a proper town or city as much as it likes to think it is.

    The parking issue is definitely not the only issue Dun Laoghaire has or had the fact was a large shopping centre was built in Dundrum only about 20 mins drive from DL. Dun Laoghaire retail wise never really moved with the times the shops remained more or less the same as they were in 1980s as they were in the mid 2000s. Apart from a cinema there is nothing there to attract young people to the area. It's improving now a bit anyway particularly on the seafront which is starting well since the new library has been built.

    The CC is a much larger area and will continue to attract people both young and old aswell as tourists having there makes it less attractive to these people as pedrianised areas are visually more attractive than streets full of cars, buses and trucks. I think Dublin city centre will be far more attractive if it was pedestrians, buses and Luas rather than full of cars.


  • #3
    bebeman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 345 ✭✭bebeman


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    The CC is a much larger area and will continue to attract people both young and old aswell as tourists having there makes it less attractive to these people as pedrianised areas are visually more attractive than streets full of cars, buses and trucks. I think Dublin city centre will be far more attractive if it was pedestrians, buses and Luas rather than full of cars.

    Why is DL not packed with people, they removed most vehicles made it more "attractive" to people?
    DL used to be buzzing with people shopping and socialising its a ghost town since the "improvements".
    The same man responsible for its demise is now in city centre making improvements there.


  • #4
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,871 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    is this a thread based on some secondhand story about unnamed people who are not good at their job? duirt bean liom go duirt bean lei, indeed.


  • #5
    yoke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 529 ✭✭✭yoke


    Very few people enjoy walking for ages and using public transport with bags full of shopping. Either they will shop with a car, or shop online.


  • #6
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    bebeman wrote: »
    Why is DL not packed with people, they removed most vehicles made it more "attractive" to people?
    DL used to be buzzing with people shopping and socialising its a ghost town since the "improvements".
    The same man responsible for its demise is now in city centre making improvements there.

    Because it didn't move with the times most of the shops stayed the same as they were since its glory days in the 1970s and 80s. And I forget to mention the end of the ferry service which brought a lot of people to the suburb. Another factor was the shady types hanging around the area such as junkies and drug dealers making people feel unsafe.


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  • #7
    bebeman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 345 ✭✭bebeman


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    Another factor was the shady types hanging around the area such as junkies and drug dealers making people feel unsafe.

    I take it you have never been in Dublin city centre?


  • #8
    bebeman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 345 ✭✭bebeman


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    duirt bean liom go duirt bean lei, indeed.

    Look at the evidence, total traffic chaos in Dublin city centre, thats not gossip , thats fact.
    Who is in charge?
    Who implemented the same plan in DL?
    NTA boss not up to the job, clueless.


  • #9
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    bebeman wrote: »
    I take it you have never been in Dublin city centre?

    Yes but Dun Laoghaire was so quiet that it had a very unsafe vibe. At least in the city centre the safety in numbers principle somewhat works.


  • #10
    Vronsky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 273 ✭✭Vronsky


    DL died when cheap air travel arrived meaning people didn't need to use the ferry. Then the ferry stopped.

    The reason DL is dead is because there is not a lot to attract people.


  • #11
    monument
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,093 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    bebeman wrote: »
    Look at the evidence, total traffic chaos in Dublin city centre, thats not gossip , thats fact.
    Who is in charge?
    Who implemented the same plan in DL?
    NTA boss not up to the job, clueless.

    There’s a new Luas route without all the required supporting measures in DL?

    And Alstom also delivered faulty trams in DL?

    And a national planning body also added to the delay of the actual plan for bus priority in DL?

    That’s amazing. It’s exactly the same.


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  • #12
    monument
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,093 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    bebeman wrote: »
    NTA boss not up to the job, clueless.

    You haven’t really demonstrated that in any clear way.

    While public figures should expect and be open to criticism, as a moderator, I can’t allow people to be taking pot shots at heads of bodies with only the vaguest rants.

    If you want to attack named individuals you’re going to have to do a far better job at outlining what — within their powers — they have done wrong.

    — moderator


  • #13
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,648 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    bebeman wrote: »
    ....
    We are seeing the damage these two are doing to Dublin public transport, it is chaos and only going to get worse.
    ...

    It's chaos because it was neglected for years due to the power of the car lobby which is now unsustainable. A level of pain was inevitable.


  • #14
    strandroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    bebeman wrote: »
    Why is DL not packed with people, they removed most vehicles made it more "attractive" to people?
    DL used to be buzzing with people shopping and socialising its a ghost town since the "improvements".
    The same man responsible for its demise is now in city centre making improvements there.

    Dun Laoghaire shops all close at 6 and are closed on Sundays. Working people simply can't shop there; DL customers are pensioners, welfare recipients and school kids which is why the selection of shops is what it is and has not modernized.
    There is no way it can compete with Dundrum or even the supermarkets nearby. It's closed for business when the group with money shops.

    The buzz is there alright, but on the seafront on weekends and is not driven by shopping, but by cultural activities, walks and eating out. Nothing to do with parking, people can demonstrably get there just fine when there is actually something to do for them.


  • #15
    bebeman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 345 ✭✭bebeman


    DB/IE/BE/LUAS have no real power, so you can't blame them for the chaos in city centre, they do as they are told, all the decisions are made by The NTA
    If you want proof of their incompetence you don't have to look far to find it.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057851386
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057584134
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057834224
    Continue to deny the facts presented to you, 3 MONTHS after the Luas cross city start it is getting worse not better, 3 MONTHS and the NTA are still clueless
    We all knew it would take time to bed in, but 3 MONTHS is taking the piss.


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    [Deleted User]
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    Well this is entertaining


  • #17
    monument
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,093 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    bebeman wrote: »
    DB/IE/BE/LUAS have no real power, so you can't blame them for the chaos in city centre, they do as they are told, all the decisions are made by The NTA
    If you want proof of their incompetence you don't have to look far to find it.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057851386
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057584134
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057834224
    Continue to deny the facts presented to you, 3 MONTHS after the Luas cross city start it is getting worse not better, 3 MONTHS and the NTA are still clueless
    We all knew it would take time to bed in, but 3 MONTHS is taking the piss.

    You’re simplifying things a bit...

    It seems like Alstom — not the NTA — messed up with the fault in the longer trams. Or maybe you think the NTA CEO should check and certify the electrics of trams they buy?

    Who planned Luas Cross City and were in denial about the need for traffic restrictions long after the planning was granted for the project? The RPA / TII and the Department of Transport did, not the NTA — if anything the NTA have been a bit of a scapegoat. Not blameless but hardly the only ones at fault.

    Why didn’t Bord Pleanala think more needed to be done before granting the railway order? Because few were making it known to them and Dublin Bus was apparently told to shut up / not to shout too loudly (it’d be great if evidence of that was to leak if anybody has it).

    The minister for transport who signed off on it or the ones since or none of their advisors could tell them the city would need more traffic restrictions to allow Cross City to run smoothly and keep buses moving?

    And when the city council officials outlined the problems to councillors, enough councillors objected that the officials had to water down the plan for bus/tram priority on the quays. Councillors were in denial too about the impending and now present problem.

    The plaza (which is also a traffic management device to make trams AND buses run better) was delayed first of all because large businesses owned by some of the richest people in Ireland were threatening legal action over not having an EIA, the council are somewhat to blame not just going for an EIA in the first but they were advised they didn’t need it, some councillors and others pressured them into an EIA, and then An Bord Pleanala caused a delay of another month because they instructed them to advertise the wrong consultation period.

    Now we have politicals — with apprentice limited knowledge — objecting to the needed bus detoured and/or the use of Parliament Street.

    The way I see it, the city and NTA CEOs (both of whom I have quite some issues with on other matters) were left to mop up issues that should have been looked at when Luas BXD was in planning and they are now scapegoat for politicians.


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