Woman given 2 1/2 years suspended sentence for false rape claim

Rerto

It's a start but it should have been an actual custodial sentence that a man would have received if he did rape.

A great bit of justice. It'll make women think twice before crying wolf.

irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/woman-given-2-year-suspended-sentence-over-false-rape-claim-1.3426043

She should be put on the sex offenders register and have to pay compensation to the poor gentleman whose life she could have ruined. I hope this poor gentleman gets over his ordeal and gets on with his life.

Jacinta O’Connor (28), of Steelroe, Killorglin.

dasdenny

Rerto wrote: »

It's a start but it should have been an actual custodial sentence that a man would have received if he did rape.

A great bit of justice. It'll make women think twice before crying wolf.

irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/woman-given-2-year-suspended-sentence-over-false-rape-claim-1.3426043

She should be put on the sex offenders register and have to pay compensation to the poor gentleman whose life she could have ruined. I hope this poor gentleman gets over his ordeal and gets on with his life.

Jacinta O’Connor (28), of Steelroe, Killorglin.

Hmmm, your very first post Retro.....

freshpopcorn

Here's your answer!(Well according to some people)
https://twitter.com/NWCI/status/843058871140794369?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boards.ie%2Fvbulletin%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D2057807886%26page%3D101&tfw_site=boards_ie

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

The real problem with that is that it's an insult to all women who have genuinely been raped, and a slap in the face to those who feel too scared to report it.

Glad she's been named, though.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Here's your answer!(Well according to some people)
https://twitter.com/NWCI/status/843058871140794369?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boards.ie%2Fvbulletin%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D2057807886%26page%3D101&tfw_site=boards_ie

Given that she wrote that before the Spacey and Weinstein accusations, she's pretty much been proven wrong.

AllForIt

The next time she does it she'll be in right trouble cause she'll get double the amount of suspended sentences.

Jim Bob Scratcher

How come we don't get see a picture of her ? :rolleyes:

Odyssey 2005

dasdenny wrote: »

Hmmm, your very first post Retro.....

Your point is ??

Autecher

Considering the amount of scumbags walking the streets of this country everyday with 50+ convictions this sentence isn't really surprising. I won't go as far as to say crime pays but it certainly doesn't hinder lots of people that commit them

dasdenny

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

Your point is ??

Pretty obvious, but if you have to ask....

bilbot79

Rerto wrote: »

It's a start but it should have been an actual custodial sentence that a man would have received if he did rape.

A great bit of justice. It'll make women think twice before crying wolf.

irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/woman-given-2-year-suspended-sentence-over-false-rape-claim-1.3426043

She should be put on the sex offenders register and have to pay compensation to the poor gentleman whose life she could have ruined. I hope this poor gentleman gets over his ordeal and gets on with his life.

Jacinta O’Connor (28), of Steelroe, Killorglin.

Your suggestion that she be given the sentence he would have received is not justice, it's poetic justice and has no place whatsoever. No way should those crimes betrayed the same.

It's like slander but much more serious. You could get her to sign the defamation offenders register perhaps?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Progenitor wrote: »

I would say the trauma to the victim of the false accusation is also the real problem.

Oh. absolutely - and THIS is why you don't name accused people before accusations. If it was me, I'd waive anonymity and proceed with a civil case against the girl.

splinter65

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Given that she wrote that before the Spacey and Weinstein accusations, she's pretty much been proven wrong.

LON ! Wrong!!! How very dare you!!

freshpopcorn

splinter65 wrote: »

LON ! Wrong!!! How very dare you!!

She's never wrong she has a block button tough.

freshpopcorn

Taking this serious tough I have heard of this happening a few times locally. Nothing never really comes of it tough because the guy just wants to forget it.

splinter65

freshpopcorn wrote: »

She's never wrong she has a block button tough.

She has a block button and she’s not afraid to use it!

Odyssey 2005

dasdenny wrote: »

Pretty obvious, but if you have to ask....

I do have to ask. The op stated a fact ,that was reported in the nationalnal press. Are you insinuating that he/she has an ulterior motive ?.
Everybody has a first post.

corks finest

Rerto wrote: »

It's a start but it should have been an actual custodial sentence that a man would have received if he did rape.

A great bit of justice. It'll make women think twice before crying wolf.

irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/woman-given-2-year-suspended-sentence-over-false-rape-claim-1.3426043

She should be put on the sex offenders register and have to pay compensation to the poor gentleman whose life she could have ruined. I hope this poor gentleman gets over his ordeal and gets on with his life.

Jacinta O’Connor (28), of Steelroe, Killorglin.

What the hell is wrong with her to do that

dasdenny

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

I do have to ask. The op stated a fact ,that was reported in the nationalnal press. Are you insinuating that he/she has an ulterior motive ?.
Everybody has a first post.

DUH Yeah:D:D

splinter65

corks finest wrote: »

What the hell is wrong with her to do that

She had regret sex. Bad regret sex. The kind of stuff that makes you hate yourself.
She could have gone home and hid under the covers feeling like her life was a nightmare. And swearing that she won’t let it happen again.
But she didn’t.
When she was still drunk she went to the Garda Station and made up a load of **** to deflect the self loathing and disgust into someone else. So she could feel like a victim instead of a piece of crap.
It all got out of control .
She didn’t give a **** about how someone else’s life could be destroyed by her lies.
She deserves to go to prison.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

corks finest wrote: »

What the hell is wrong with her to do that

Probably knew the guy and had a grudge against him.

368100

Years ago a local lad got accused by a girl with down syndrome of rape. Caused quite the stir in the small country community and faced a lot of abuse over it not to mention criminal investigation.

Eventually she admitted she had made it up as she fancied him and he always said hello and talked to her when he saw her. Totally innocent.

To this day he still gets taunted about it in the local pub when one of the local alcos has one too many and if you didnt know the story itd be easy to believe it was true. Im not saying she should have been jailed as she didnt have the mental capacity to realise the conseqences of her accusation but for a woman who does have that capacity the sentence should be custodial....he's still dealing with it years later and all because he was friendly.

3 and a half years for a man accused of rape for not putting on a condom when he was told to, where otherwise the sex would have been consensual.....2 and a half years suspended sentence for a woman accusing rape which was a total lie.....hardly appropriate sentencing given the nature of the offence.

fullstop

dasdenny wrote: »

Pretty obvious, but if you have to ask....

Plan on finishing that sentence?

splinter65

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Probably knew the guy and had a grudge against him.

She didn’t know him at all, the guy who was a suspect.
She had sex with an ex she ran into on a drunken night out, in a car park, how romantic.
She didn’t accuse him, she said she’d been raped by a Pakistani in a green hoodie.
On CCTV she was spotted with a guy walking behind her in a green hoodie, a Czech guy. She’d never even spoken to him.
He was questioned and was hours away from being arrested and charged.
Poor cnut.
Further CCTV showed her with the guy she had consensual sex with.
She only admitted her lies then.

ShowMeTheCash

bilbot79 wrote: »

Your suggestion that she be given the sentence he would have received is not justice, it's poetic justice and has no place whatsoever. No way should those crimes betrayed the same.

It's like slander but much more serious. You could get her to sign the defamation offenders register perhaps?

Reading the report it lacks in detail but assuming that she knowing lied and it was aimed deliberately.

She deliberately tried to take away someones liberty by lying.
You do not think knowingly trying to send someone to prison in itself warrants a prison sentence?

There is a reason perjury is taken so seriously....

Chrongen

Rerto wrote: »

It's a start but it should have been an actual custodial sentence that a man would have received if he did rape.

A great bit of justice. It'll make women think twice before crying wolf.

irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/woman-given-2-year-suspended-sentence-over-false-rape-claim-1.3426043

She should be put on the sex offenders register and have to pay compensation to the poor gentleman whose life she could have ruined. I hope this poor gentleman gets over his ordeal and gets on with his life.

Jacinta O’Connor (28), of Steelroe, Killorglin.

Give your arse a chance

ardinn

Considering the case up north at the moment this woman needed to be made an example of - It seems these are getting way too common.

bilbot79

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

Reading the report it lacks in detail but assuming that she knowing lied and it was aimed deliberately.

She deliberately tried to take away someones liberty by lying.
You do not think knowingly trying to send someone to prison in itself warrants a prison sentence?

There is a reason perjury is taken so seriously....

I was addressing the eye for an eye nature of the suggested punishment. She should be punished according to her crime. Not the crime she accused him of

GFish

ardinn wrote: »

Considering the case up north at the moment this woman needed to be made an example of - It seems these are getting way too common.

If you mean what I think you mean, that comment is ill-judged. That case is ongoing and until the jury delivers it's decision, both parties deserve due process.

We can debate right and wrong once the jury decides but I think it is inappropriate to do so before then. Juries are warned not to read papers or social media, discuss the case with anybody other than their fellow jurors, etc.

I think your comment is exactly why they are so advised.

Peatys

dasdenny wrote: »

Pretty obvious, but if you have to ask....

Go on..

NinetyTwoTeam

ardinn wrote: »

Considering the case up north at the moment this woman needed to be made an example of - It seems these are getting way too common.

these cases are in no way similar, not even mildly. for starters, the suspect in this case (the green hoodie guy) never had sex with the girl at all. and there was only one. in the other case the fact they had sex has been openly admitted and bragged about by the several men accused.

I've had 6 women (close friends or exes) reveal to me they were raped in the past, and none of them reported it to police at the time they happened. Attitudes like yours are far more harmful to society IMO than this isolated case that was quickly unravelled.

Anyone who thinks this case should be held up as some indicator of the prevalence of false rape claims is a special kind of primate. I'd say the number of unreported sexual assaults dwarf the number of false assault claims by a massive, massive margin.

corks finest

splinter65 wrote: »

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Probably knew the guy and had a grudge against him.

She didn’t know him at all, the guy who was a suspect.
She had sex with an ex she ran into on a drunken night out, in a car park, how romantic.
She didn’t accuse him, she said she’d been raped by a Pakistani in a green hoodie.
On CCTV she was spotted with a guy walking behind her in a green hoodie, a Czech guy. She’d never even spoken to him.
He was questioned and was hours away from being arrested and charged.
Poor cnut.
Further CCTV showed her with the guy she had consensual sex with.
She only admitted her lies then.

Wow disgusting creature

ardinn

NinetyTwoTeam wrote: »

these cases are in no way similar, not even mildly. for starters, the suspect in this case (the green hoodie guy) never had sex with the girl at all. and there was only one. in the other case the fact they had sex has been openly admitted and bragged about by the several men accused.

I've had 6 women (close friends or exes) reveal to me they were raped in the past, and none of them reported it to police at the time they happened. Attitudes like yours are far more harmful to society IMO than this isolated case that was quickly unravelled.

Anyone who thinks this case should be held up as some indicator of the prevalence of false rape claims is a special kind of primate. I'd say the number of unreported sexual assaults dwarf the number of false assault claims by a massive, massive margin.

That may be the case but it certainly does not excuse the fact that this dispicable bitch should have every book available thrown at her - as should any men who commit the crime!

And regarding the case in the north, my personal opinion is either buyers remorse or she was hoping for a few quid hush money, whether or not thats true is anyones guess, but if she is also making a false claim then you can see the serious issues that we have with false claims and why they should be dealt with so harshly!

And regards the bolded bit - your saying a case where a false claim was made should not be used as an indicator of false claims - Interesting! Special kind of primate indeed!

Odyssey 2005

dasdenny wrote: »

DUH Yeah:D:D

Ok Einstein.
Enlighten us,. What's your theory?.

Pepefrogok

ardinn wrote: »

That may be the case but it certainly does not excuse the fact that this dispicable bitch should have every book available thrown at her - as should any men who commit the crime!

And regarding the case in the north, my personal opinion is either buyers remorse or she was hoping for a few quid hush money, whether or not thats true is anyones guess, but if she is also making a false claim then you can see the serious issues that we have with false claims and why they should be dealt with so harshly!

And regards the bolded bit - your saying a case where a false claim was made should not be used as an indicator of false claims - Interesting! Special kind of primate indeed!

Of course she should be punished if she is falsely accusing people of such a heinous crime, in my opinion the penalty should match that of the crime invented would receive but you can't just assume her story has no merit, can't help but think this woman wouldn't get so much negativity if it wasn't many people's hero's involved, let all have their fair day in court and see where the dice fall.

Isshelying

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

The real problem with that is that it's an insult to all women who have genuinely been raped, and a slap in the face to those who feel too scared to report it.

Glad she's been named, though.

Why does it always have to be turned around that women are always the victim in these situations? The real problem is the damage she has done to an innocent man and almost cost him his liberty. Women will never understand the damage a false accusation of rape does to a man. It never goes away, even when it's proven false. It's a harrowing thing to have follow you around and it deserved a jail sentence.

splinter65

Chrongen wrote: »

Give your arse a chance

Your not happy with the outcome of this case Chrongen?

professore

Isshelying wrote: »

Why does it always have to be turned around that women are always the victim in these situations? The real problem is the damage she has done to an innocent man and almost cost him his liberty. Women will never understand the damage a false accusation of rape does to a man. It never goes away, even when it's proven false. It's a harrowing thing to have follow you around and it deserved a jail sentence.

That's not true - we have a rape culture where rapists are celebrated and boys have to be taught not to rape. Women never lie, and must be believed unquestioningly about being raped, unless the rapist is Muslim in which case she's lying and a racist. There is no such thing as a crazy or vindictive woman who sets out to destroy a man's life by any means possible.

Women are paid less than men for the same work even though it's illegal and companies hate women so much that they would rather be unprofitable than employ all women and pay them less.

Men always lie, and are fully responsible for their actions unlike women.

If a woman and a man are equally drunk, she can't consent but he can, and has a superior ability to understand consent when drunk than she does. If he doesn't consent, who cares, men are always up for sex regardless who with.

And the best one.. Gender is a social construct, so the next time you get a false rape accusation, identity as a woman and you'll be fine.

The above is the world we live in.

splinter65

corks finest wrote: »

Wow disgusting creature

It just shows a total lack of any kind of morals or conscience. She might have some very redeeming features for all I know but she was quite happy to keep lying and pretending and wasting the cops time and destroying an innocent mans life right up until she was presented with indisputable evidence.
Then she thought it was simply a question of her walking away with no consequences.
Was she going to sit in the witness box being cross examined by this mans barrister if it had gone to court?
There have been a few high profile cases in the UK recently which have actually gone to court.
Do we not need to ask why that is?
Serious repercussions for real rape victims but that’s not the main thing.
The main thing is the readiness to lie and destroy someone else for no reason and how you can justify that in your head.

Isshelying

splinter65 wrote: »

She didn’t know him at all, the guy who was a suspect.
She had sex with an ex she ran into on a drunken night out, in a car park, how romantic.
She didn’t accuse him, she said she’d been raped by a Pakistani in a green hoodie.
On CCTV she was spotted with a guy walking behind her in a green hoodie, a Czech guy. She’d never even spoken to him.
He was questioned and was hours away from being arrested and charged.
Poor cnut.
Further CCTV showed her with the guy she had consensual sex with.
She only admitted her lies then.

The Indo article has mentioned she has since married so it would seem probable that she was going out with her now husband at the time. She went out, got drunk and cheated on him with an ex it seems, and then tried to use the excuse of I was raped to cover her tracks. Because no one can ever dare question a supposed rape victim, right? No thought given to the innocent man whose life she almost destroyed and certainly put through hell.

Becks610

These cases are always so tricky. The person in this case should have been sent to prison- I would think that all sentences for crimes in Ireland are too lenient , it’s not a case of women or men get more lienency than the other.

Just as it is extremely difficult to prove rape it is also difficult to prove that itdidnt happen so a lot of so called false allegations may not be false( the one in this thread is obv). Just because there isn’t enough for a criminal conviction doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

Omackeral

fullstop wrote: »

Plan on finishing that sentence?

I love that fullstop was the one to type this.

Rerto

dasdenny wrote: »

Hmmm, your very first post Retro.....

What's your point? Everyone has a first post. Except you ... you skipped straight to your 100th post which was golden quality and got 1000 thanks.

martingriff

professore wrote: »

That's not true - we have a rape culture where rapists are celebrated and boys have to be taught not to rape. Women never lie, and must be believed unquestioningly about being raped, unless the rapist is Muslim in which case she's lying and a racist. There is no such thing as a crazy or vindictive woman who sets out to destroy a man's life by any means possible.

Women are paid less than men for the same work even though it's illegal and companies hate women so much that they would rather be unprofitable than employ all women and pay them less.

Men always lie, and are fully responsible for their actions unlike women.

If a woman and a man are equally drunk, she can't consent but he can, and has a superior ability to understand consent when drunk than she does. If he doesn't consent, who cares, men are always up for sex regardless who with.

And the best one.. Gender is a social construct, so the next time you get a false rape accusation, identity as a woman and you'll be fine.

The above is the world we live in.

Sorry but WTF generalizing much men have to be thought not to rape that's the all men are rapist bullcrap that goes around.

Yes women have to see what happens if you lie in court about been raped but what the poster you quoted is true. I was asked once if I was in a shopping centre where a kid was crying looking for his mom/dad would you go and help I said no as I be instantly seen as a pedo or something due to that mentality I bolded above. I may be seen as a heartless b!%&!rd but I can live with that hell even escape it but an accusation of that or rape follows you around for life like a bad odour

Rubberchikken

This is why i feel that the accused should be given anonymity in a rape case until proven guilty.
I think only right she was named and maybe the suspended sentence will make her think twice about crying wolf.

Rubberchikken

Rubberchikken wrote: »

This is why i feel that the accused should be given anonymity in a rape case until proven guilty.
I think only right she was named and maybe the suspended sentence will make her think twice about crying wolf.

I seriously don't get that. How is a suspended sentence any kind of punishment for seeking to ruin someones life?

It's basically a very minor slap on the wrist. There's no real punishment involved. And I don't see this going to be anything that encourages other women not to declare false testimony or make false rape claims.

The chances of getting caught out in making a false allegation are low, considering that all she needed to have done was get into a private area for a few moments with the guy and it would be impossible to disprove her claim. That's how easy it's become to push for a declaration of rape, along with any decent legal backing. That fact that this case was clear-cut just shows that she didn't think about it before making the claim... but others do take the time (and consultations with friends)

A suspended sentence isn't a message that says we're going to punish you. It's saying we'll forgive you when you do it, as long as you don't mess about afterward. For a while. But the damage will have been done, and there's pretty good odds that you'll succeed.

Irish Guitarist

Did she see a total stranger and accuse him of rape? Or did she make up a fake description which coincidentally matched that of a man who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Why did sex with the ex come into it? I thought previous sexual behaviour should be completely irrelevant to a rape trial. :pac:

splinter65

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Why did sex with the ex come into it? I thought previous sexual behaviour should be completely irrelevant to a rape trial. :pac:

There wasn’t a rape trial. There was no rape.
Did you read any of the reports of the crime?
The sex with the ex was totally relevant because as part of the lie she allowed herself to be examined by a sexual assault unit (wasting more time and money). This examination revealed bleeding and bruising, further damning the innocent suspect.
When her story unraveled she admitted that on the night in question she’d had rough but consensual sex in a car park with an ex that she just happened to meet on the street after she got separated from her friends.
The ex actually got into the witness box and gave evidence at the trial.
Do you think this was unfair to her in some way?

She got the suspended sentence because she did not accuse an actual person instead she accused a non-national person in a green hoodie it's still wrong but that is the reason she got the suspended sentence. If she has named an actual person it would have been different.

Danjamin1

martingriff wrote: »

Sorry but WTF generalizing much men have to be thought not to rape that's the all men are rapist bullcrap that goes around.

Yes women have to see what happens if you lie in court about been raped but what the poster you quoted is true. I was asked once if I was in a shopping centre where a kid was crying looking for his mom/dad would you go and help I said no as I be instantly seen as a pedo or something due to that mentality I bolded above. I may be seen as a heartless b!%&!rd but I can live with that hell even escape it but an accusation of that or rape follows you around for life like a bad odour

I think the post you quoted was supposed to be tongue in cheek. I don’t think the poster really agrees with the statements but is implying that is the current popular perception some people would have you believe.