Russian Long range Nuclear declaration

listermint

So Putin has come out with a Speech indicating they have developed an unstoppable long range nuclear missile that can reach anywhere on earth and cannot be stopped by anti missile systems.

Having spent the last decade with subterfuge via the Internet and now strong arming via Arms threats.

What is their to gain from this, who is the audience?

Have we reverted back to the mid 20th century with the rise in Facist views even in Europe.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/01/putin-new-russia-missile-nuclear.html

Manic Moran

I’m not sure there is much of a link between recent European events and Russia. It seems to me that Russia has been on a bit of a nationalism bent for the last, what, fifteen, twenty years?

They went from being a world-influencing superpower, maybe even hyperpower, to just another large country. This has evidently rankled Putin and folks like him, who believe that Russia has a larger place on the world stage.

The audience is twofold. To Russians, it seems to be “be proud of yourselves. We are a great people, and we will be here for each other. We will do what it takes, like annexing Crimea, to ensure that Russian peoples will look after other Russian peoples. We will protect you, our military will ensure it”

To the rest of the world, “We are going to help those who will help us attain our goals of a secure, stable, prosperous Russia. We are demonstrating willingness and capability to use all four instruments of national power to achieve this, including by reinvigoration of our military capability.”

I mean, I guess there could be a connection. “I have a cunning plan. We shall destabilize Europe, this large rival to our own success, by keeping Assad in power, continuing the war and keeping the influx of refugees to Europe. Europe shall then finish the work of destabilizing itself, thus achieving our goal. Muahahahahaha!”

Havockk

Manic Moran wrote: »

I’m not sure there is much of a link between recent European events and Russia. It seems to me that Russia has been on a bit of a nationalism bent for the last, what, fifteen, twenty years?

They went from being a world-influencing superpower, maybe even hyperpower, to just another large country. This has evidently rankled Putin and folks like him, who believe that Russia has a larger place on the world stage.

The audience is twofold. To Russians, it seems to be “be proud of yourselves. We are a great people, and we will be here for each other. We will do what it takes, like annexing Crimea, to ensure that Russian peoples will look after other Russian peoples. We will protect you, our military will ensure it”

To the rest of the world, “We are going to help those who will help us attain our goals of a secure, stable, prosperous Russia. We are demonstrating willingness and capability to use all four instruments of national power to achieve this, including by reinvigoration of our military capability.”

I mean, I guess there could be a connection. “I have a cunning plan. We shall destabilize Europe, this large rival to our own success, by keeping Assad in power, continuing the war and keeping the influx of refugees to Europe. Europe shall then finish the work of destabilizing itself, thus achieving our goal. Muahahahahaha!”

You could literally transpose Russia for the US in this post and it would make the same salient point.

Both nations inhabited by rabid nationalists who believe they are superior to everyone and now they are having another willy measuring contest.

Vladimir Poontang

Seems like a logical response to NATO and U.S. moves.

Infini

In all honesty though putting out Nuclear Declarations a mute point considering noone even has a motive or reason to invade Russia anymore.

Lets be honest Russia does have a few bones to pick with the US after the fall of the USSR its understandable to that degree. The problem is that their approach with Putin has been rather self-defeating because they tend to alienate themselves from the likes of Europe and even their own neighbors. That and the rampant corruption and cronyism hasn't exactly done them any favours either.

Realistically the problem is that they seem to have a grudge and have been taking it out by undermining the west whenever they can. Ironically if they cleaned up their act somewhat and at least stopped antagonising Europe they would have a better standing than they currently do but they're getting worse and not better with their own approach.

GalwayMark

Havockk wrote: »

You could literally transpose Russia for the US in this post and it would make the same salient point.

Both nations inhabited by rabid nationalists who believe they are superior to everyone and now they are having another willy measuring contest.

A Better comparsion would be the brexiteers or more precisely greater england nationalists since they haven't learnt to accept others as equals hence the need to support any movement wanting to supposedly bring the EU down or gain enough leverage to secure favourable deals.

Junkyard Tom

Vladimir Poontang wrote: »

Seems like a logical response to NATO and U.S. moves.

You'd nearly think that the US unilaterally leaving the ABM treaty in 2002 and, threatening to install missile defence systems in eastern Europe and NATO moving ever-closer to Russia's borders states had no effect at all.

James Brown

Putin is in it for Putin. Like any dictator.
The sabre rattling is two fold; attempt to quell sanctions and dismiss the current Russian destabilising campaign's on other nations and play to the nationalist sentiment of the Russian populous.
Trump was bragging about more nukes a few weeks back, Putin is responding in kind.
Russia is at war with the rest of the world, albeit a cyber war, murdering ex-spies aside.

Infini

Yeah I saw that poor guy and his daugher myself on the news and thought "whats the point trying to kill him now?". Actually worse for the girl since as far as I'm aware shes an innocent party.

recedite

listermint wrote: »

What is their to gain from this, who is the audience?
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/01/putin-new-russia-missile-nuclear.html

The first clue is in your link; "... in his annual State of the Union address"
The second is that the first round of elections is on March 18th.
For the domestic audience primarily, then.

Akrasia

He's trying to restore the principle of Mutually assured destruction which had been eroded by the US claims that their missile defence shields might allow them to 'win' a nuclear war.

Putin has no missile Shield, so to counter Americas shield they needed more elusive offensive weapons.

demfad

Facts to consider:

There is a full scale cyber war in operation by Russia against Western democracies. (see attached) 20 countries have been attacked, many successfully, including the US and UK. This can more or less be explained by the Gerasimov doctrine. The information Warfare techniques were perfected by Vladislav Surkov against Russia itself.
Surkov himself is in charge of the war (and cyber war) in East Ukraine.

IMO the threat re long range missiles is a stunt to imply Russian renewed power ahead of the Russian elections. Putin fears a low turnout (he is guaranteed to win having disqualified his opponent Navalny).

He fears no retribution from Washington as Donald Trump is a puppet of Putin.

recedite

demfad wrote: »

Putin fears a low turnout (he is guaranteed to win having disqualified his opponent Navalny)

Navalny disqualified himself by having a criminal conviction for embezzlement.
What about all the others?

demfad

recedite wrote: »

Navalny disqualified himself by having a criminal conviction for embezzlement.
What about all the others?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/08/alexei-navalny-russian-opposition-leader-found-guilty-embezzlement

The trial and retrial were a stitch up. Do you believe the ECHR or the Putin controlled Russian court system?

In a trial widely seen as a means of silencing him, Navalny was convicted of embezzlement from a state timber company in Kirov in 2013, but he was allowed to run for mayor of Moscow while he appealed against the ruling. The 2013 verdict was sent for a retrial by the Russian supreme court after the European court of human rights (ECHR) found procedural violations in it last year.

Navalny’s lawyer, Olga Mikhailova, told journalists that Wednesday’s verdict did not answer the ECHR’s criticisms of the original trial. The verdict was based on the same evidence as in 2013 and assigned the same five- and four-year suspended sentences to Navalny and his former business partner Pyotr Ofitserov.

If you don't want to be found guilty in a Russian court then don't get tried.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/od-russia/andrei-loshak/corruption-complicity-careerism-hydra-of-russian-justice

Once inside the wheels of the Russian legal system, the odds are stacked against you and a guilty verdict is inevitable

The remaining candidates are puppets to give the impression of a fair election.

With no creditable opposition candidate the Russian people may boycott the vote as Navalny suggests. Putin can't put up a genuine candidate because he will lose.
This missile business is tough talk that he knows the US president will not respond to. This gives the false impression of Russian power which he hopes will translate to a quarter respectable turnout.

recedite

demfad wrote: »

The trial and retrial were a stitch up. Do you believe the ECHR or the Putin controlled Russian court system?

I don't think the ECHR ever said he was innocent of the embezzlement charges. They objected to the police detaining him during his political campaigning, which he claimed technically he was still allowed to do while waiting for the result of his appeal. In the event, his appeal failed. And that was the end of his campaign.

What about all the other candidates?

demfad

recedite wrote: »

I don't think the ECHR ever said he was innocent of the embezzlement charges. They objected to the police detaining him during his political campaigning, which he claimed technically he was still allowed to do while waiting for the result of his appeal. In the event, his appeal failed. And that was the end of his campaign.

What about all the other candidates?

From my actual post : "The 2013 verdict was sent for a retrial by the Russian supreme court after the European court of human rights (ECHR) found procedural violations in it last year." Are you really claiming that the judicial system in Russia is not corrupt?

Also from my post: "The remaining candidates are puppets to give the impression of a fair election."

recedite

You said "The trial and retrial were a stitch up".

Navalny brothers went to the ECHR with that same claim and it was dismissed. All they found were some minor procedural violations, but the ECHR did not dispute the substance of the case, or disagree with the Russian state position that the embezzlement had occurred, and as a result he would be ineligible to run for public office.

Your sweeping statement that "all other candidates are puppets" is something a muppet might say.

demfad

recedite wrote: »

You said "The trial and retrial were a stitch up".

Navalny brothers went to the ECHR with that same claim and it was dismissed. All they found were some minor procedural violations, but the ECHR did not dispute the substance of the case, or disagree with the Russian state position that the embezzlement had occurred, and as a result he would be ineligible to run for public office.

Your sweeping statement that "all other candidates are puppets" is something a muppet might say.

I have quoted several reputable publications which claim that in Russia if you are put on trial (usually in a cage) you are convicted.
Ergo you cannot conclude that Navalny did anything wrong.
There are several documented examples where Russian officials have stitched up people for political reasons. The massive discrepencies with his trial resulting in an actual intervention by the ECHR and a retrial indicate that this was the case here also.
Again if you believe that the Russian justice system is fair and not corrupt please do so: there are any numbers of cases to disavow these points of view.

Navalny was the only serious challenger to Putin. If anyone in such a position stands trial it happens or does not happen with the say so of Putin.

recedite

demfad wrote: »

Ergo you cannot conclude that Navalny did anything wrong.

A strange and somewhat biased conclusion; "He was convicted of a crime, therefore he must be innocent."

demfad

recedite wrote: »

A strange and somewhat biased conclusion; "He was convicted of a crime, therefore he must be innocent."

Nice try. You claimed he ruled himself out of the presidential election by committing a crime. I claimed you cannot reach that conclusion because the justice system in Russia is corrupt and controlled by the Putin regime.

Again: do you believe the justice system in Russia is corrupt?

In Russia you have a regime that murders dissenting journalists and politicians (Boris Nemsov). You have a regime that in the last few days openly tried to murder people in Salisbury while hurting many more.

Putin is a kleptocrat. He does not have the support of his own people. The nuclear declarations in the OP and the poisoning are in order to heighten the us against them image in Russia.

I don't know if you are naive or disingeneous. You need to gain a little insight into this man's regime. Yes, western countries have done similar in the past if not on this scale. We need to ensure this does not occur any more. But that should not excuse Putin or his actions.

recedite

demfad wrote: »

You have a regime that in the last few days openly tried to murder people in Salisbury while hurting many more.

I feel sorry for the daughter and the policeman, but not for the traitor. He was a guy who shopped the names and safety of his comrades to the enemy for money.
Personally I suspect either his former colleagues were responsible without acting on direct orders from the Kremlin, or else the Kremlin found out that he had recently become active again and decided to eliminate him. If he had become active in some way, he may also have got the daughter involved.

I'd be more a fan of the Irish justice and electoral system than the Russian one. But unlike you, I don't assume the Russian versions to be non-existent.

I believe that people in Russia and China have a different view of politics to us. If things are going reasonably well, they are quite happy to keep the same leader permanently. "Leave well enough alone" is the prevailing mentality.

We on the other hand, have a history of constantly changing from one shower of gob$hites to another, and always complaining about the result afterwards.

demfad

recedite wrote: »

I feel sorry for the daughter and the policeman, but not for the traitor. He was a guy who shopped the names and safety of his comrades to the enemy for money.
Personally I suspect either his former colleagues were responsible without acting on direct orders from the Kremlin, or else the Kremlin found out that he had recently become active again and decided to eliminate him. If he had become active in some way, he may also have got the daughter involved.

'Comrades'? Do you still believe that Russia is a communist state?
Russia is a kleptocracy: The Russian State, The Russian intelligence services, The Russian mafia, the Russian banking system, The oligarchs, The Russian mafia are de facto all part of an intrenational criminal syndicate. The Russian people have been literally shaken down by their rulers.

I'd be more a fan of the Irish justice and electoral system than the Russian one. But unlike you, I don't assume the Russian versions to be non-existent.

That's not what I asked you. I asked you if you considered the Russian justice system 'Just' or not? Is Justice served by their judiciary?

I believe that people in Russia and China have a different view of politics to us. If things are going reasonably well, they are quite happy to keep the same leader permanently. "Leave well enough alone" is the prevailing mentality.

If Russia wanted Putin then why was nemsov assasinated? Why was Navalny jailed? Why does something always happen to eliminate Putin's rivals?
Now Putin's rival is a low turnout in the election to protest him he creates stories about super nukes and stirs international crises by public spectacular murder in the UK.

Would the Russian people support him if they knew his personal fortune is $200 billion of THEIR MONEY?
That even his daughters have bank accounts to the value of millions stashed in Latvian accounts. Do you deny that Putin has this fortune?

recedite

Is "comrade" not an English word any more?
The guy was soldier first, then a spy, then a traitor. Betraying your brothers in arms for money is a serious business, not easily forgiven.

Putin has money and influence. Of course he does.
Nevertheless he rose to prominence in the Yeltzin era when kleptocrats and oligarchs were privatising the wealth of the former USSR and stashing it away in foreign bank accounts. Disgusted by what he saw, he eventually had enough power to reverse that process.
Ordinary Russians recognise that, and respect him for it. Ever since then he has been restoring some pride in what's left of the state.

The UK is home to many of these rich but exiled oligarchs, and they have been using it as a base from which to attack their homeland. Its a tradition that goes back to 1917, and the last days of the Tsar.

demfad

recedite wrote: »

Putin has money and influence. Of course he does.
Nevertheless he rose to prominence in the Yeltzin era when kleptocrats and oligarchs were privatising the wealth of the former USSR and stashing it away in foreign bank accounts. Disgusted by what he saw, he eventually had enough power to reverse that process.
Ordinary Russians recognise that, and respect him for it. Ever since then he has been restoring some pride in what's left of the state.

Do you deny that Putin has amassed a wealth of some $200 billion by defrauding his own country and stashing the money away in foreign banks?

The UK is home to many of these rich but exiled oligarchs, and they have been using it as a base from which to attack their homeland. Its a tradition that goes back to 1917, and the last days of the Tsar.

The biggest Oligarch in the UK is Roman Abramovich right hand man of Putin.

BTW: Putin rose to prominence when several apartments in Moscow were blown up by the FSB. The claim was that it was done by Chechen rebels which vindictated Putin's hawkish stance on Chechnya and prompted Putin's rise to power and a bloody war with Chechnya.
The apartment bombings sparked an investigation when suspsicians arose. E.g a Putin ally in the Duma condemned an attack only to realise the attack had not occurred. Instead FSB explosives were found at the apartment block.
The investigation was stopped when 4 of teh committee were murdered most infamously journalist Anna Politkovskaya.

MadYaker

recedite wrote: »

I believe that people in Russia and China have a different view of politics to us. If things are going reasonably well, they are quite happy to keep the same leader permanently. "Leave well enough alone" is the prevailing mentality.

We on the other hand, have a history of constantly changing from one shower of gob$hites to another, and always complaining about the result afterwards.

If the Russians are so happy with Putin as leader then why does he feel the need to continuously imprison or exile anyone who might have a chance against him in an election?

Xi Jinping in China has also been steadily removing his political opponents under the guise of anti-corruption operation over the last few years. Surely this would be a waste of time and effort if the people were truely happy with having Putin / Jinping in power for ever.

recedite

Some people are only there to stir up trouble and will never do anything constructive. Even in Ireland we have the likes of Boyd Barrett and Paul Murphy, but we just have to tolerate them, while they make a good living off the backs of the ordinary taxpayer.

demfad

recedite wrote: »

Some people are only there to stir up trouble and will never do anything constructive. Even in Ireland we have the likes of Boyd Barrett and Paul Murphy, but we just have to tolerate them, while they make a good living off the backs of the ordinary taxpayer.

You are up in arms about these guys receiving their salaries but you have no problem with Putin stealing $200 billion of his peoples money and squirrelling it away in foreign banks, you have no problem with his oligarchs doing likewise. Also, you must have no problem with Putin's partnership with the mafia e.g the 'boss of bosses' Semion Mogelevich who assists Putin in his criminal money laundering endeavors.

listermint

demfad wrote: »

You are up in arms about these guys receiving their salaries but you have no problem with Putin stealing $200 billion of his peoples money and squirrelling it away in foreign banks, you have no problem with his oligarchs doing likewise. Also, you must have no problem with Putin's partnership with the mafia e.g the 'boss of bosses' Semion Mogelevich who assists Putin in his criminal money laundering endeavors.

A non response to your question or line of questioning and a quick question or redirection will be in the offing very shortly.



Please pause for a moment

recedite

demfad wrote: »

Putin stealing $200 billion of his peoples money and squirrelling it away

Sorry for the delay, I had to work for a while there.
AFAIK his business interests mainly lie in the shipping and transportation of oil and LPG, which I believe is a legitimate business. Apparently he is quite interested in the opening up of new routes as the arctic becomes less ice bound. All very shrewd. Maybe not exactly "ethical investing" if there is such a thing, but not dishonest.

demfad

recedite wrote: »

Sorry for the delay, I had to work for a while there.
AFAIK his business interests mainly lie in the shipping and transportation of oil and LPG, which I believe is a legitimate business. Apparently he is quite interested in the opening up of new routes as the arctic becomes less ice bound. All very shrewd. Maybe not exactly "ethical investing" if there is such a thing, but not dishonest.

'His' money is hidden by other Oligarchs in their name in bank acounts outside Russia. His deal with these Oligarchs after he caged Khordovosky was 50% of profits for impunity and protection by the Russian State apparatus. Most of this money is laundered criminal assets and taxes stolen from the Russian State.

Does this sound legitimate to you?

recedite

No, it sounds like nonsense. Where is your evidence for all these allegations?

listermint

recedite wrote: »

No, it sounds like nonsense. Where is your evidence for all these allegations?

Try not getting the intake from RT for about a month.

There are various independent sources about Putins wealth. You only have to spend have a second looking it up on the internet

Il give you a link http://time.com/money/4641093/vladimir-putin-net-worth/

But it doesnt really matter i could give your a hundred links its your job to insure they are discredited.

recedite

listermint wrote: »

There are various independent sources about Putins wealth. You only have to spend have a second looking it up on the internet

Il give you a link http://time.com/money/4641093/vladimir-putin-net-worth/

So your Russian guy says its €40B. Then later he decides "No its probably more like €70B".
Meanwhile Forbes magazine says there is no evidence for any of that nonsense.

Any more links to "evidence"?

demfad

recedite wrote: »

So your Russian guy says its €40B. Then later he decides "No its probably more like €70B".
Meanwhile Forbes magazine says there is no evidence for any of that nonsense.

Any more links to "evidence"?

Here is how Putin funnels money through his 'friends': https://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/apr/03/panama-papers-money-hidden-offshore

Here is the wealth of one of his daughters (2 billion) got wealth as above:
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-russia-capitalism-shamalov-specialrep/special-report-the-man-who-married-putins-daughter-and-then-made-a-fortune-idUKKBN0U02SC20151217

Link to accounts of Ptins daughters secret back accounts in Russia:
https://thinkprogress.org/putin-family-bank-accounts-dad3dd3f8e16/

Bill Browder puts in at $200 billion
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/02/07/ahead-of-russian-elections-putin-releases-official-details-of-wealth-and-income/?utm_term=.8e5e82783a0c

“I believe that [Putin is worth] $200 billion," Browder said. "After 14 years in power of Russia, and the amount of money that the country has made, and the amount of money that hasn't been spent on schools and roads and hospitals and so on, all that money is in property, bank, Swiss bank accounts, shares, hedge funds, managed for Putin and his cronies.”

Putin's inner circle hold enormous wealth: $24 billion. Many cannot explain how they amassed it or what the companies they control do.
https://www.rferl.org/a/putin-opccrp-report-inner-circle-wealth/28814462.html

Can you show honesty and integrity by addressing these issues?
Officially his earnings are $119,000 dollars. Do you believe that this represents his total earnings?

recedite

All of that is rumour and speculation, including the references to the Mosack Fonseca leaks.
Navalny who works full time at trying to uncover Putin's alleged corruption (so he can have the same opportunities) has come up with nada.

More than 30 men and women work for you, trying to disclose illicit financial practices. Did you learn anything new from the revelations of the Panama Papers?
Alexey Navalny: We knew more or less how Putin’s corruption works: He has friends who win billions by obtaining public tenderings. These billions are put in a common pot. What we know now is that, on top of that, Putin has some of his own accounts as well — and we see how they are filled. There is no doubt, for instance, that everything that belongs to the cellist Sergei Roldugin, is just another one of Putin’s accounts.
But Putin’s name didn’t appear in any of the documents.

zilch
So Putins daughter had a fancy wedding. Big deal.
No doubt there is a certain amount of insider trading going on. But also there would be in Washington, or in any western administration. You don't exactly see poverty in any govt. officials anywhere.

listermint

recedite wrote: »

All of that is rumour and speculation, including the references to the Mosack Fonseca leaks.
Navalny who works full time at trying to uncover Putin's alleged corruption (so he can have the same opportunities) has come up with nada.
zilch
So Putins daughter had a fancy wedding. Big deal.
No doubt there is a certain amount of insider trading going on. But also there would be in Washington, or in any western administration. You don't exactly see poverty in any govt. officials anywhere.

Brilliant stuff!


So what do you put Putins wealth at? since youve provided no links and requested various ones. Only to put all the information down as propaganda and hearsay.

Putin is just a mere mortal like all of us normal folk. Sure he has some shares but dont we all...

recedite

listermint wrote: »

So what do you put Putins wealth at?

I have no idea what his wealth is. And neither do you.

youtube!

Well this thread has derailed quite considerably, who cares about how rich Putin is? where's a mod when ya need one ?

handlemaster

listermint wrote: »

So Putin has come out with a Speech indicating they have developed an unstoppable long range nuclear missile that can reach anywhere on earth and cannot be stopped by anti missile systems.

Having spent the last decade with subterfuge via the Internet and now strong arming via Arms threats.

What is their to gain from this, who is the audience?

Have we reverted back to the mid 20th century with the rise in Facist views even in Europe.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/01/putin-new-russia-missile-nuclear.html

this is about reelection and how the russians like a strong leader. The russian economy has tanked

listermint

handlemaster wrote: »

this is about reelection and how the russians like a strong leader. The russian economy has tanked

Yes Russians like a strong leader so much that they are voting in their tens of millions for him
.
Oh wait no they really aren't coming out to vote ...

handlemaster

listermint wrote: »

handlemaster wrote: »

this is about reelection and how the russians like a strong leader. The russian economy has tanked

Yes Russians like a strong leader so much that they are voting in their tens of millions for him
.
Oh wait no they really aren't coming out to vote ...

O WAIT LOOK WHO WON

bebeman

listermint wrote: »

So Putin has come out with a Speech indicating they have developed an unstoppable long range nuclear missile that can reach anywhere on earth and cannot be stopped by anti missile systems.
What is their to gain from this, who is the audience?
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I wonder why Russia is arming itself and getting ready for a possible war?

handlemaster

Russia is so great the elites put their families abroad.

VonZan

bebeman wrote: »

I wonder why Russia is arming itself and getting ready for a possible war?

This is the crux of the issue and it's why Putin can easily deflect everything as anti-Russian bias or aggression. The critism of strongman presidents like Putin and Erdogan only emboldens them. Putin will always have the upper hand when you want to play the political long game as he will be in charge of Russia until he decides. Trump only has a few years left, Merkel's control over Germany has effectively ended and May or Macron don't have enough time to really sanction Russia because the EU is dependent on Russia for its energy.

Germany just approved Nord Stream 2 which tells you everything you need to know. Ireland's take on Russia is hypocritical and tells you a lot about how weak the resolve of our own neutrality is. Meanwhile we enable American wars in Shannon.

bebeman

Russian announcement of new unmatched weapons
China dumping the Dollar in favour of Yuan to buy oil
Trump announced USA to leave Syria soon
Interesting time we live in, USA to possible leave the world stage for a few years to sort out its problems?

Chrongen

listermint wrote: »

So Putin has come out with a Speech indicating they have developed an unstoppable long range nuclear missile that can reach anywhere on earth and cannot be stopped by anti missile systems.

Having spent the last decade with subterfuge via the Internet and now strong arming via Arms threats.

What is their to gain from this, who is the audience?

Have we reverted back to the mid 20th century with the rise in Facist views even in Europe.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/01/putin-new-russia-missile-nuclear.html

I'm sure if the village idiot, George W, hadn't withdrawn from the ABM Treaty in 2002 then this wouldn't have ever happened nor would countries feel the need to have such weapons.

Trump and a few psychopaths, namely Bolton, want to rip up the Iran nuclear pact. Go ahead and see if the billions that Europe has invested in the country will simply be forgotten.

Paris Climate Agreement? Ripped up yet they need the Dutch to pump out their flooded cities.

Nobody gives a **** about America anymore. It's just a loudmouth with a rusting shotgun.

Kermit.de.frog

The USA remains by far the world's most powerful military and economic power. I assure you every country in the world cares what America's policies are on every single issue.

Chrongen

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The USA remains by far the world's most powerful military and economic power. I assure you every country in the world cares what America's policies are on every single issue.

Kermit,

By what yardstick are you using to make these claims?

Economic power? What does that mean? Debt? Financial security? You have a better chance of working your way out of poverty in Albania than in the US.

The life expectancy in DC is lower by 5 years than any other "industrialised" country.
And if you want to try to fizz about that that's because of the brown man living in the "hood" I would call that an excuse for a capital city that is falling to bits.

Nobody gives a shit about America's massive groaning aircraft carriers and their billion dollar planes that only work when it's not raining.

America can't beat a few committed men and women with bravery and some booby traps. Stealth bombers and satellites haven't done a thing against that since the 1960's.

So tell me, how is the US economically superior? 40% of Americans are one pay cheque away from potential homelessness. They might fight it out for a few weeks. Is that an economic power?
Wages in the US have stagnated since 1980. If you look at the end of month non-farm payroll job numbers, they are usually around the 200,000 mark. The US needs 450,000 to 600,000 new jobs per month just to keep up with population growth.

Kermit, just have a look at the numbers, the charts, the statistics and then take a deep breath and a sip of your tea.

America is FINISHED. It is now a bunch of billionaires dumping their cash elsewhere or fleecing out the last saps who kiss a flag.

s7ryf3925pivug

Imo he has two goals that are interlinked:

1. Reestablish Russia as a dominant world power.
2. Take the oil under the arctic, when it becomes accessible.

Neither is likely to be possible in the long run without the other.

prinzeugen

bebeman wrote: »

I wonder why Russia is arming itself and getting ready for a possible war?

Whoever made that map needs to google NATO..

As with most Russian boasts of power, they are fake.

Look at the Mig31. Heap of crap.

s7ryf3925pivug

prinzeugen wrote: »

Whoever made that map needs to google NATO..

Because it's a defensive alliance formed to counter Russian aggression?