Liberalmageddon: Self baptised “ liberals “

Ismisejack

Increasing in rural Ireland I see the values and traditions we were brought up to respect and ridiculed and dismissed by “ liberals “ and the loony left. One such example is the attack on anything seemed to be Catholic and the intolerance of religion by these “ liberals “ who are anything but liberals. These liberals are also completely intolerant of anyone with pro life views! Anyone any similar thoughts or experiences?

Roger Hassenforder

Catholic religon eh?- not exactly a bastion of tolerance itself...

nice_guy80

ironic that you used baptised in the title...

maybe liberals just people who are able to form their own educated opinions without being influenced by medieval institutions such as the RCC who try to do stuff like... protect child abusers

kneemos

You appear to be doing the very thing you accuse liberals of doing.


You can keep your own opinions you know.
Nobody is forced to agree with anyone.
Conservative Ireland back in the day was a place of gossip and twitching curtains, where a lot of stuff wasn't talked about or tolerated. Also a lot of the bastions of society were the very ones that were screwing us over,literally and figuratively.

Times change basically.

Richard Hillman

People who like going around controlling and manipulating people. People who are excessively trying to engineer society. These were the same personality types that were ratting out "promiscuous" ladies to the local Bishop back in the day.

The agenda changes throughout time but the personality type remains the same. The males tend to be Sociopaths that will run over their granny to enhance their moral standing. This is why you see so many sexual predators involved in the Charity industry and "Social Justice" causes now. Whereas formerly they used the Church for their self gratification, they now use Liberal Charities and causes to groom women and children.

The same personalities, different agendas.

Mr. Incognito

Amazing how people come to these ideas all by themselves and dont lick it off Fox news or other sources

DavidLyons_

Ismisejack wrote: »

Increasing in rural Ireland I see the values and traditions we were brought up to respect and ridiculed and dismissed by “ liberals “ and the loony left. One such example is the attack on anything seemed to be Catholic and the intolerance of religion by these “ liberals “ who are anything but liberals. These liberals are also completely intolerant of anyone with pro life views! Anyone any similar thoughts or experiences?

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Catholic religon eh?- not exactly a bastion of tolerance itself...

Both correct.

ameirecan

For much of its history, Ireland was an agricultural backwater. We looked towards cosmopolitan cities like London and Paris and dreamed of emulating them. Now that the country has a bit of money, the pendulum has swung wildly in the opposite direction. We've shaken off the shackles of our past and enthusiastically embrace every "progressive" trend going while sneering at our old traditional ways. First country in Europe to legalize gay marriage? Check. Bring in massive amounts of immigrants in a single decade to the point where 20% of the country is foreign born? Check. Abortion? Likely to pass soon thanks to constant shilling by the mainstream media. GAA is for uneducated boggers. We play rugby now. Cabbage and bacon is poverty food. I'll take the avocado toast. The liberals seem determined to destroy everything that makes Ireland unique and turn us into yet another globalized cookie cutter nation.

RayCun

Luckily there are plenty of racists, bigots, and god botherers to take them on

kneemos

ameirecan wrote: »

For much of its history, Ireland was an agricultural backwater. We looked towards cosmopolitan cities like London and Paris and dreamed of emulating them. Now that the country has a bit of money, the pendulum has swung wildly in the opposite direction. We've shaken off the shackles of our past and enthusiastically embrace every "progressive" trend going while sneering at our old traditional ways. First country in Europe to legalize gay marriage? Check. Bring in massive amounts of immigrants in a single decade to the point where 20% of the country is foreign born? Check. Abortion? Likely to pass soon thanks to constant shilling by the mainstream media. GAA is for uneducated boggers. We play rugby now. Cabbage and bacon is poverty food. I'll take the avocado toast. The liberals seem determined to destroy everything that makes Ireland unique and turn us into yet another globalized cookie cutter nation.

One of the last countries to legalise gay marriage surely.
The rest is gibberish as well.


You're right about being a backwater though. The changes in recent times have been purely a case of catching up with modern society.

TomSweeney

Richard Hillman wrote: »

People who like going around controlling and manipulating people. People who are excessively trying to engineer society. These were the same personality types that were ratting out "promiscuous" ladies to the local Bishop back in the day.

The agenda changes throughout time but the personality type remains the same. The males tend to be Sociopaths that will run over their granny to enhance their moral standing. This is why you see so many sexual predators involved in the Charity industry and "Social Justice" causes now. Whereas formerly they used the Church for their self gratification, they now use Liberal Charities and causes to groom women and children.

The same personalities, different agendas.

Good points there.

I know what the OP is saying aswell though

Hammer Archer

ameirecan wrote: »

First country in Europe to legalize gay marriage? Check.

Nope. Not even close. We were out by around 15 years.

Bring in massive amounts of immigrants in a single decade to the point where 20% of the country is foreign born? Check.

Nope. 17%, which is not really unusual. It's less than the likes of Australia, New Zealand, Switzerland and Canada.

Abortion? Likely to pass soon thanks to constant shilling by the mainstream media.

Likely to pass because the majority of people agree that it should be legalised. Or is democracy another one of these "progressive trends".

GAA is for uneducated boggers. We play rugby now.

The GAA has never been stronger in Ireland.

Cabbage and bacon is poverty food. I'll take the avocado toast.

Well that's a hape of bollix.

The liberals seem determined to destroy everything that makes Ireland unique and turn us into yet another globalized cookie cutter nation.

You seem to be easily offended. Maybe you need a safe space?

Chrongen

ameirecan wrote: »

For much of its history, Ireland was an agricultural backwater. We looked towards cosmopolitan cities like London and Paris and dreamed of emulating them. Now that the country has a bit of money, the pendulum has swung wildly in the opposite direction. We've shaken off the shackles of our past and enthusiastically embrace every "progressive" trend going while sneering at our old traditional ways. First country in Europe to legalize gay marriage? Check. Bring in massive amounts of immigrants in a single decade to the point where 20% of the country is foreign born? Check. Abortion? Likely to pass soon thanks to constant shilling by the mainstream media. GAA is for uneducated boggers. We play rugby now. Cabbage and bacon is poverty food. I'll take the avocado toast. The liberals seem determined to destroy everything that makes Ireland unique and turn us into yet another globalized cookie cutter nation.

Wrong.

The Netherlands was in 2001

rossie1977

Two accounts opened recently with 11 posts between them using the word liberal...hmm

dav3

I'm as pro-life as they come, I love nothing more than threatening the life of anyone contemplating or carrying out abortions.

However, it's threads like these that have me seriously considering voting yes to abortion. The arrogance of the pro-life side and the patronising way they talk about rural people certainly puts a bad taste in my mouth.

seachto7

Ismisejack wrote: »

Increasing in rural Ireland I see the values and traditions we were brought up to respect and ridiculed and dismissed by “ liberals “ and the loony left. One such example is the attack on anything seemed to be Catholic and the intolerance of religion by these “ liberals “ who are anything but liberals. These liberals are also completely intolerant of anyone with pro life views! Anyone any similar thoughts or experiences?

Rural Ireland? What are the differences between rural Ireland and someone living in Cork or Dublin in reality? Culturally they're going to be more or less the same.
I'm excluding farmers in this.
Most of the "rural" people I know are the same as their urban counterparts. They wear the same clothes and do the same things.

20Cent

dav3 wrote: »

I'm as pro-life as they come, I love nothing more than threatening the life of anyone contemplating or carrying out abortions.

This makes no sense.

super_furry

Run! Run for your lives! The liberals are coming! THE LIBERALS ARE COMING!!!

You know I hear that liberals are as big as four cats and they have a retractable leg so they can leap up at you better and they light up at night and they've got four ears, two are for listening and the other two are kind of back up ears and their claws are as big as cups and for some reason they've got a tremendous fear of stamps.

The Backwards Man

I've seen a lot of these yahoos that whine about liberals and traditional values, and so on.

None yet that would know a good day's footing turf if it hit them on the head.

valoren

What are the values and traditions we were brought up to respect?

topper75

The Fluffy Warm Feeling of Spending Magic Taxpayers Money

by A. Liberal

Other titles by this author you may enjoy:

Getting rid of inconvenient babies by killing them before birth

Defending the right of mass murderers to live because capital punishment is wrong

What does "liberals" even mean in Ireland

Mr. CooL ICE

Im Liberal, and so is my wife

Boom_Bap

Nicolas Cage wrote: »

Im Liberal, and so is my wife

And here's the photo to prove it, Mr. & Mrs. Cage

AtomicHorror

bluewolf wrote: »

What does "liberals" even mean in Ireland

Mostly, people who want to change stuff I don't want changed. Waah.

VinLieger

topper75 wrote: »

The Fluffy Warm Feeling of Spending Magic Taxpayers Money

by A. Liberal

Other titles by this author you may enjoy:

Getting rid of inconvenient babies by killing them before birth

Defending the right of mass murderers to live because capital punishment is wrong

Some lovely sweeping generalisation's there.

I believe in capital punishment, I think we should repeal the 8th, I hate the catholic church, I would also consider myself to be on the side of fiscal conservatism.

What neat stereotype box of yours do I fit into?

nozzferrahhtoo

Ismisejack wrote: »

“ liberals “ and the loony left.

This american bi-partisan discourse is one that I am noticing more and more in Ireland. "Liberal" or "conservative" tends to be something people call me, rather than what I call myself. As I do not identify myself in those terms. And they make no sense when I am called BOTH with equal frequency.

What tends to be in play is I suspect the more likely someone is to be unable to rebut your position, the more likely they are to label your position in this way. Because it is often simply intellectually simpler to call someone "liberal" and throw out stock phrases and attacks on what they pretend "liberal" means......... than to actually reply to what you wrote at the time.

Ismisejack wrote: »

One such example is the attack on anything seemed to be Catholic and the intolerance of religion by these “ liberals “

That is a good example of exactly what I mean above, though you contrive to be vague about what things specifically are under attack.

There is nothing "liberal" about it. What is happening is actually people attacking unsubstantiated nonsense. And religions, such as the Catholic Church, have been in the business of profiting from the sale of unsubstantiated nonsense.

There is nothing "liberal" about pointing that fact out.

It is not that people are intolerant of religion but they are intolerant of all unsubstantiated nonsense and lies. And religion just happens to be one example of that. But far from the totality of it.

Ismisejack wrote: »

who are anything but liberals. These liberals are also completely intolerant of anyone with pro life views! Anyone any similar thoughts or experiences?

Again a great example of exactly what I mean. When it comes to the debate on abortion you have simply failed to come up with any arguments against it and pretty much been owned in every attempt you have made to enter that discourse.

So now it is merely easier to scream about "Liberals" and how "intolerant" people are of your views. Play the victim card, rather than engage with the discussion.

It is not "intolerant", or at least not in any negative way, to point out unsubstantiated or simply crap views. That is exactly what discourse is MEANT to be for in such contexts.

nozzferrahhtoo

dav3 wrote: »

I'm as pro-life as they come, I love nothing more than threatening the life of anyone contemplating or carrying out abortions.

And given that is illegal I can but hope that the full justice of the law comes down on your next time you "threat the life" of anyone, for anything.

biko

Ismisejack wrote: »

Anyone any similar thoughts or experiences?

This is just lazy posting

megaten

Ismisejack wrote: »

Increasing in rural Ireland I see the values and traditions we were brought up to respect and ridiculed and dismissed by “ liberals “ and the loony left. One such example is the attack on anything seemed to be Catholic and the intolerance of religion by these “ liberals “ who are anything but liberals. These liberals are also completely intolerant of anyone with pro life views! Anyone any similar thoughts or experiences?

Sorry OP but your post doesn't really make any sense. What kind of values are traditionally explicitly associated with rural Ireland that wouldn't be associated with the rest of the country? They churches in towns as well you know?

How are you defining intolerance? Are you taking it as you telling someone something and them saying they disagree. Most people would but the bar for calling something intolerant higher than that so they could get confused if talk about it that way.

wes

Ugh more imported right wing American culture war nonsense (in this instance that is). The whole conservative/liberal argument you see in the US, is due to there 2 party system, where the 2 parties house a lot of ideological groups with in them. Very few actually fit into the caricatures present by culture warriors, even in the US, but due to the system they have, they get lumped into together.

I think it best to avoid such divisive imported American culture war nonsense. It doesn't make sense as there aren't just 2 sides to issues.

jimgoose

I'm a Right-Wing Conservative arsehole. I believe in a man's God-given right to get up at 6am and scratch his balls any way he may choose. I believe in a woman's God-given right to decide what happens to and within her body. I believe that if any brain-damaged, foaming-at-the-mouth Dominic Walsh types turn up at my door insisting that I act or think such-and-such a way because their Invisible Friend says so, I'll blow their fucken heads off. This also applies to One-Legged Ethiopian Transgender Equality Activists. Y'all have a good, productive and pleasant day. :cool:

RustyNut

bluewolf wrote: »

What does "liberals" even mean in Ireland

Anyone even slightly to the left of Ghengis Khan.

dav3

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

And given that is illegal I can but hope that the full justice of the law comes down on your next time you "threat the life" of anyone, for anything.

Nonsense, the baby jesus has my back.

Anyway guys, does anybody else like the GAA sports ball and cabbage and bacon?

You know who doesn't? That's right...liberals.

10000maniacs

super_furry wrote: »

Run! Run for your lives! The liberals are coming! THE LIBERALS ARE COMING!!!

You know I hear that liberals are as big as four cats and they have a retractable leg so they can leap up at you better and they light up at night and they've got four ears, two are for listening and the other two are kind of back up ears and their claws are as big as cups and for some reason they've got a tremendous fear of stamps.

Liberals find it difficult to successfully argue out any point when put under deep scrutiny.
Call "racist" or quote Dougal.

nozzferrahhtoo

10000maniacs wrote: »

Liberals find it difficult to successfully argue out any point when put under deep scrutiny.
Call "racist" or quote Dougal.

Hahaha well by THAT definition (which thankfully appears to bear no resemblance to any actual definition) then the OP is a liberal. Because the OP A) Has failed to successfully argue any point when put under even CURSORY scrutiny and is basically here calling "intolerance" as his victim card for being rebutted on subjects dear to him.

jimgoose

dav3 wrote: »

Nonsense, the baby jesus has my back.

Anyway guys, does anybody else like the GAA sports ball and cabbage and bacon?

You know who doesn't? That's right...liberals.

Liberals and... QUAAAAAAAAARES!! :mad::mad::mad:

evil_seed

more importantly, is -mageddon the new -gate?

ameirecan

ameirecan wrote: »

For much of its history, Ireland was an agricultural backwater. We looked towards cosmopolitan cities like London and Paris and dreamed of emulating them. Now that the country has a bit of money, the pendulum has swung wildly in the opposite direction. We've shaken off the shackles of our past and enthusiastically embrace every "progressive" trend going while sneering at our old traditional ways. First country in Europe to legalize gay marriage? Check. Bring in massive amounts of immigrants in a single decade to the point where 20% of the country is foreign born? Check. Abortion? Likely to pass soon thanks to constant shilling by the mainstream media. GAA is for uneducated boggers. We play rugby now. Cabbage and bacon is poverty food. I'll take the avocado toast. The liberals seem determined to destroy everything that makes Ireland unique and turn us into yet another globalized cookie cutter nation.

I read this twice and I still can't see what the problem is with any of this, apart from the 'sneering' which yknow is a bit vague, and the presumed snobbery about GAA which as far as I can tell you are just plucking from the air.

super_furry

10000maniacs wrote: »

Liberals find it difficult to successfully argue out any point when put under deep scrutiny.
Call "racist" or quote Dougal.

Ah Jaysus, he’s found the weakness! They’re onto the Father Ted failsafe! Time to retreat to the mountains.

jimgoose

super_furry wrote: »

Ah Jaysus, he’s found the weakness! They’re onto the Father Ted failsafe! Time to retreat to the mountains.

Armageddon outta here!! :pac:

topper75

VinLieger wrote: »

Some lovely sweeping generalisation's there.

I believe in capital punishment, I think we should repeal the 8th, I hate the catholic church, I would also consider myself to be on the side of fiscal conservatism.

What neat stereotype box of yours do I fit into?

Well I myself don't have any name for you because you don't seem to fit in any box.

My grandmother though on the other hand, God rest her, would probably have called you a "quarehawk".

Oldtree

I thought by the title this thread was going to be an exciting to and fro discussion about the lib dems. I feel a bit conned now.

ohnonotgmail

I find it funny that the thread title is "self-baptised liberals" when i dont think i've ever seen anybody declare themselves that way and it is usually used as a term of abuse by the far right.

Ismisejack

ameirecan wrote: »

For much of its history, Ireland was an agricultural backwater. We looked towards cosmopolitan cities like London and Paris and dreamed of emulating them. Now that the country has a bit of money, the pendulum has swung wildly in the opposite direction. We've shaken off the shackles of our past and enthusiastically embrace every "progressive" trend going while sneering at our old traditional ways. First country in Europe to legalize gay marriage? Check. Bring in massive amounts of immigrants in a single decade to the point where 20% of the country is foreign born? Check. Abortion? Likely to pass soon thanks to constant shilling by the mainstream media. GAA is for uneducated boggers. We play rugby now. Cabbage and bacon is poverty food. I'll take the avocado toast. The liberals seem determined to destroy everything that makes Ireland unique and turn us into yet another globalized cookie cutter nation.

ameirecan here has made the point here I was trying to make a lot better than I did, that these liberals are trying to make Ireland like every other country claiming its “progressive “ and traditional Irish values are labeled “backwards “, making their view to be the perceived trendy view .

RDM_83 again

Oldtree wrote: »

I thought by the title this thread was going to be an exciting to and fro discussion about the lib dems. I feel a bit conned now.

Don't worry I have some Lib Dem for you !

wes wrote: »

Ugh more imported right wing American culture war nonsense (in this instance that is). The whole conservative/liberal argument you see in the US, is due to there 2 party system, where the 2 parties house a lot of ideological groups with in them. Very few actually fit into the caricatures present by culture warriors, even in the US, but due to the system they have, they get lumped into together.

I think it best to avoid such divisive imported American culture war nonsense. It doesn't make sense as there aren't just 2 sides to issues.

This thread is a bit of a trainwreck but at this stage I don't think its fair to say that this is solely an American thing anymore.

For reference here is Tim Farron's resignation statement, people might disagree with him but he did lead the Liberal Democrats for a number of years so he has a deep understand of Liberalism and isn't just a clueless anonymous internet poster with an axe to grind.

.....
From the very first day of my leadership, I have faced questions about my Christian faith. I’ve tried to answer with grace and patience. Sometimes my answers could have been wiser.

At the start of this election, I found myself under scrutiny again - asked about matters to do with my faith. I felt guilty that this focus was distracting attention from our campaign, obscuring our message.

Journalists have every right to ask what they see fit. The consequences of the focus on my faith is that I have found myself torn between living as a faithful Christian and serving as a political leader.

A better, wiser person than me may have been able to deal with this more successfully, to have remained faithful to Christ while leading a political party in the current environment.

To be a political leader - especially of a progressive, liberal party in 2017 - and to live as a committed Christian, to hold faithfully to the Bible’s teaching, has felt impossible for me.

I’m a liberal to my finger tips, and that liberalism means that I am passionate about defending the rights and liberties of people who believe different things to me.

There are Christians in politics who take the view that they should impose the tenets of faith on society, but I have not taken that approach because I disagree with it - it’s not liberal and it is counterproductive when it comes to advancing the gospel.

Even so, I seem to be the subject of suspicion because of what I believe and who my faith is in.

In which case we are kidding ourselves if we think we yet live in a tolerant, liberal society.

That’s why I have chosen to step down as leader of the Liberal Democrats.
.....

statement in full here


While its a laudable notion saying we should try avoid the US stuff, its already here and I would personally aspects of the cliched culture wariors on at least one side have been battling on this site from at the latest 2009/2010

Billy86

20Cent wrote: »

This makes no sense.

Check dav3's posts on the 8th thread - he's taking the p*ss about the "I consider myself pro choice but I don't want people getting abortions" transparent nonsense that pops up time and again exactly as it did with the same sex marriage threads.

Oldtree

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Don't worry I have some Lib Dem for you !

Meant the UK lib dem

super_furry

I liked Paddy Ashdown. Always seemed like he’d be a good fella to have a pint with.

VinLieger

Ismisejack wrote: »

ameirecan here has made the point here I was trying to make a lot better than I did, that these liberals are trying to make Ireland like every other country claiming its “progressive “ and traditional Irish values are labeled “backwards “, making their view to be the perceived trendy view .

So you are afraid of change is what you are saying?

Please give me examples of so called "traditional Irish values" that are labeled backwards? Do you mean ones like where a man could legally rape his wife or is it more like how we imprisoned women who "shamed" their families and tortured and enslaved them?

Effects

Ismisejack wrote: »

These liberals are also completely intolerant of anyone with pro life views!

I'm fine with their views. Just don't let their views interfere with other people.
Don't want abortion? Just don't have an abortion yourself.