FORTUNE TELLERS/ MEDIUM

decky1

Anyone been to any of these ? two of my daughters went last week to a women who must have been Jesus, she was 100% accurate on everything she said she knew things about me that only my close family would know + one of my daughters boyfriend's stuff that only he would know about, + loads of stuff about my mothers house which one of them live in now and different things about themselves, Amazing --- :eek::cool:

Barry Badrinath

I knew you were going to say that!

Timberrrrrrrr

A fool and their money etc etc etc...

Alf Veedersane

Do fortune tellers come in different sizes?

decky1

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Do fortune tellers come in different sizes?

no only medium.;)

decky1

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

A fool and their money etc etc etc...

how does a fool get money in the first place.?:rolleyes:

Wibbs

decky1 wrote: »

no only medium.;)

I see what you did there.


For the much older readers...

Are Am Eye

You need to strike a happy medium.

banie01

I find it amusing that many of the top mentalists and stage magicians find "Psychic mediums" to be absolute scum.
They prey on hope, loss, insecurity and fear to line their own pockets.

Cold reading was the way to do this in thw past, but now people add the psychic as a friend on FB before making their appointment! So even that "skill" is hardly needed anymore.

The amount of detail available on a person even with private profiles after a cursory search once you have some details is staggering.
Especially given that we Irish love to publish memorial notices in local papers.

Houdini, Derren Brown and the great James Randi have all made great store of debunking and exposing fake mediums.
Randi has a 1 million dollar prize available to anyone who can prove an ESP/Psychic or medium talent.
Its available over 30 years and has never been successfully claimed.

On a personal note, I have seen people destroy relationships and families, through taking this chicanery on board.
Worse than that, the thought of someone taking money from someone at one of their lowpoints to feed them false hope and lies disgusts me

koumi

last April I posted this https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=103347503&postcount=11

I had a FAS instructor who practically recommended lying on your CV, finished up my last job and decided to try it out by referencing my previous post as a shuttle pilot for SpacEx, whose responsibilities involved collecting space rocks and performing acoustic covers of David Bowie tracks and submitted it for a job. I got an email a couple of days later followed by a call from an agency, at which point I think they twigged it. It didn't help me get the job but it was the first callback from an application I had received since I started applying

Now, I don't know if that makes me psychic or if it means Elon Musk is reading boards, because he sent starman into orbit to collect space rocks to the tune of David Bowies Starman a couple of weeks ago. I suspect Elon Musk reads boards, he's a sneaky fecker.

Or maybe I really do work for SpacEx. shhhh

Alf Veedersane

decky1 wrote: »

no only medium.;)

Thank you.

It would have annoyed me if you didn't smack that down the fairway on a Sunday night.

Cheerful Spring

decky1 wrote: »

Anyone been to any of these ? two of my daughters went last week to a women who must have been Jesus, she was 100% accurate on everything she said she knew things about me that only my close family would know + one of my daughters boyfriend's stuff that only he would know about, + loads of stuff about my mothers house which one of them live in now and different things about themselves, Amazing --- :eek::cool:

What I have seen on TV I often wonder are those medium people full of crap? What I surprise me the most women seem to put a lot of faith in this thing. No men I know have visited a medium, plenty of women Iknow have though and they swear to me this medium could not have known. David Blaine has done this trick on TV and he reveals stuff about someone life he could not have known? I don't know how he does personally, unless you got in someone head, to know it? It strange people like David Blaine never actually tell you how they do it, it like a big secret or something, very strange.

kumate_champ07

i predict the 'medium' is a friend of yours, and you are hoping people from here will send you a private message asking for their contact details

myshirt

Hey, listen lads, knock um all you want but I went to one and I'm glad I did. Got great advice. She told me to watch out and be alert, that someone close to me was going to try swindle me out of money very soon.

Fair play to her. Was the best 50 euro I spent in a while.

Zemuppet

I'm having a vision. It's a bit hazy, but wait a moment my third eye has cleared the mist and your future is crystal clear.
I can hear coins clattering in a pocket whilst I see banknotes fall from the sky.

I can see a bank statement with your name printed upon it. It tells me that you will suffer a loss of money in the very near future. That's is all my clairvoyant eye can see right now my child

Btw that'll be 50 quid when you are ready love.

sassyj

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

What I have seen on TV I often wonder are those medium people full of crap? What I surprise me the most women seem to put a lot of faith in this thing. No men I know have visited a medium, plenty of women Iknow have though and they swear to me this medium could not have known. David Blaine has done this trick on TV and he reveals stuff about someone life he could not have known? I don't know how he does personally, unless you got in someone head, to know it? It strange people like David Blaine never actually tell you how they do it, it like a big secret or something, very strange.

Not most women I can assure you, you just appear to know a disproportionate amount of stupid women.

decky1

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

i predict the 'medium' is a friend of yours, and you are hoping people from here will send you a private message asking for their contact details

sorry I have nothing to do with her ,it was my daughters that went she lives about 30 miles from us., when writing I just wanted to know if people had any of their own experiences with 'Fortune Tellers. I just find it a mystery how these people know so much if they never met you, Nothing she told them would have been on social media.

decky1

koumi wrote: »

last April I posted this https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=103347503&postcount=11



Now, I don't know if that makes me psychic or if it means Elon Musk is reading boards, because he sent starman into orbit to collect space rocks to the tune of David Bowies Starman a couple of weeks ago. I suspect Elon Musk reads boards, he's a sneaky fecker.

Or maybe I really do work for SpacEx. shhhh

Interesting post eh maybe you should see a doctor.:rolleyes:

koumi

decky1 wrote: »

Interesting post eh maybe you should see a doctor.:rolleyes:

I have about three of them

endacl

banie01 wrote: »

I have seen people destroy relationships and families, through taking this chicanery on board.

Ain't no fool like a willing fool...

KatW4

I went to see 2 different ones. A man and a woman. I was warned before going in not to give anything away.

The man asked me was I ever worried about my dad. I replied yes and he asked me how he was doing now. My dad passed away when I was 11. I told the 'psychic' this and he completely brushed it off. Tbh I found it funny and didn't take anything he said seriously. He was useless, only in it for the money.

The second time, the woman, was interesting. She kept saying the name David to me but I didn't know anyone named David. When I told my mum, she told me that she had a miscarriage before me and she named the baby David. That was weird.

She did tell me to stop worrying about my boyfriend (now ex) that nothing bad would happen to him. He was diagnosed with an illness less than a year later.

It was interesting to go see them and hear what they would say but it hasn't made me do anything differently in my life. I do think it's a money making game and I probably won't ever bother going again!

kumate_champ07

decky1 wrote: »

sorry I have nothing to do with her ,it was my daughters that went she lives about 30 miles from us., when writing I just wanted to know if people had any of their own experiences with 'Fortune Tellers. I just find it a mystery how these people know so much if they never met you, Nothing she told them would have been on social media.

what specific things did the person know about that they couldnt possibly have discovered thru public knowledge/investigation or cold reading?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13YaVfpjGL4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vHS0dZl3OU

jaxxx

Blazer

You only have to look at the physic forum on here to know there's a lot of suckers out there. Even when they're not happy with one they still take their money off to another one in the hopes of getting better news.
A fool and their money as they say.

Esel

I prefer mine well-done.

pleas advice

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Do fortune tellers come in different sizes?

Did you hear about the psychic midget who has escaped from prison? The headline was: 'Small medium at large'

pleas advice

Esel wrote: »

I prefer mine well-done.

thats rare

amtc

I went to one twice. It wasn't booked under my name but he told me my name (which is unusual). I was seeing a guy at the time and he told me to break up with him. About a year later I went back and he told me off for not breaking up with him and he wouldn't give me any more advice.

Then for a laugh I went with two girls from work to a woman who wouldn't read one of the girls as she was possessed by a spirit who lived in a colourful bird. I didn't even know this but she had peacocks on her lawn. She forecast that the other girl would do something workwise out of this world...coming back she told us that she had been offered a job with the European Space agency! Same woman told my cousin who has special needs child that she could see his sister bringing him for a walk. Given that she was over 42 at the time and wasn't planning any more children....nine months later had a little girl who now pushes the wheelchair

Mind you been to some complete charlatans! Haven't been in ages though!

endacl

Safe to say here what I'd be carded for on the appropriate forum.

1. 'Mediums'. You are charlatans and parasites. If you honestly think you have genuine abilities in this regard, you are a deluded parasitic charlatan.

2. If you 'believe'. If you pay a parasitic charlatan (deluded or otherwise) then you are a fcuking idiot. Judging by the general standard of posting in the other aforementioned forum though, you probably wouldn't understand why. Even if I typed any one of several explanations really, really slowly, so you could keep up.

3. If you're of the 'ah sure it's just a bit of fun' mob. No, it's not. You lend credence to idiocy. You help lower the standards overall. Stupid people think it's real because smart people play along. The Enlightenment was a good thing. Stop dragging on it.

Addendum. To any 'medium' who might read this without the need for explanatory illustrations. You're a fcuking idiot. If you're robbing fools, at least charge a professional rate. They'll pay it. I know several fcukwits who swear by you. And they get away with paying you what you think is a professional fee. You could be taking them for more. If you're going to take advantage of the cognitively challenged, don't be half arsed about it.

Badly Drunk Boy

banie01 wrote: »

I find it amusing that many of the top mentalists and stage magicians find "Psychic mediums" to be absolute scum.
They prey on hope, loss, insecurity and fear to line their own pockets.

Cold reading was the way to do this in thw past, but now people add the psychic as a friend on FB before making their appointment! So even that "skill" is hardly needed anymore.
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The trick is to set up a Facebook account with misleading information, and add them as a friend to that. Preferably, you should have had the account set up a few years ago (for such events), as a brand new account may raise suspicions. You shouldn't have too many friends on this account, but enough to make it look real. Emphasise your love of railway trains, and cabbage & bacon (with photos to prove it).

Barry Badrinath wrote: »

I knew you were going to say that!

I knew you were going to say that!!

Hector Savage

I'd love to know what it was that she "knew" ...
OP it's called cold reading ...

Have a look at this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6uj1ruTmGQ

Hitman3000

You'd imagine if they were any good, they'd all predict the lotto numbers and be millionaires. Strange how they're not.

Cheerful Spring

banie01 wrote: »

I find it amusing that many of the top mentalists and stage magicians find "Psychic mediums" to be absolute scum.
They prey on hope, loss, insecurity and fear to line their own pockets.

Cold reading was the way to do this in thw past, but now people add the psychic as a friend on FB before making their appointment! So even that "skill" is hardly needed anymore.

The amount of detail available on a person even with private profiles after a cursory search once you have some details is staggering.
Especially given that we Irish love to publish memorial notices in local papers.

Houdini, Derren Brown and the great James Randi have all made great store of debunking and exposing fake mediums.
Randi has a 1 million dollar prize available to anyone who can prove an ESP/Psychic or medium talent.
Its available over 30 years and has never been successfully claimed.

On a personal note, I have seen people destroy relationships and families, through taking this chicanery on board.
Worse than that, the thought of someone taking money from someone at one of their lowpoints to feed them false hope and lies disgusts me

James Randi is a fraud he has a dubious past and lies about people all the time. And hardly anyone has accepted his challenge it set up to fail.

This interesting read and you see the character of Randi should not be trusted.

http://www.skepticalinvestigations.org/Examskeptics/Prescott_Randi.html

I don't disagree with your last point there are unscrupulous people who take advantage of vulnerable people.

Grateful Dread

Why do they always only get the first letter of a name? Do the dead speak in morse code?

Someone's coming through...I'm getting the letter M...he's telling me M...

Grateful Dread

Here's a hilarious fail from fraud James Van Pragh

And here's Sylvia Browne - she's dead now so she's only contactable by certain people

xzanti

OP you might be better to post this in the paranormal forum.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=446

There's a sub-forum on Psychics and Mediums.

nozzferrahhtoo

decky1 wrote: »

Anyone been to any of these ?

I have studied the techniques that such people use and so I have gone on occasion to study a practiced hand in action.

When you are aware of the moves, the tricks, and the methodology.......... and also aware of the vulnerabilities in your own mind that makes you as an average person not notice the moves, the tricks and the methodology.......... the veneer of woo comes off.

But it remains an interesting experience none the less. Watching an "expert" at work, even if they are just expert at being a liar and charlatan, is often a beneficial and interesting experience.

decky1 wrote: »

she knew things about me that only my close family would know

I always love going back to the Derren Brown episode where without meeting people at all he did a reading on them. I think they had to give him just their first name and date of birth or something. He then produced a reading for them.

It was so accurate and specific that one person broke down crying. And another person said it was so accurate and private that she did not want ANYONE else to ever read it.

Of course the big reveal was that Brown had produced the exact same "reading" for all the many people who received it. Which were groups of people from different countries around the world.

But that shows the skill in such reading. You word it the right way, and even if you give 100 people or 1000 people the same reading.... and most if not all of them will find themselves in it.

I have managed to do something similar myself on occasion where I have found myself in front of an actual audience. I read out a reading for a star sign and asked everyone "Who here actually is Sagittarius" and hands went up and then "Who here found the reading accurate" and most of the hands stayed up. And which point I went "oh crap wait, this wasn't Sagittarius at all, it was Cancer!"

We as a species are unique individuals. But despite our individuality we are all MUCH more alike than we tend to notice/admit/care. And it is that similarity that Magicians AND Charlatans can both exploit to their desired effect.

nozzferrahhtoo

koumi wrote: »

I had a FAS instructor who practically recommended lying on your CV

Funny you should say this. When myself and a few others were studying the techniques of such frauds we noticed something at the time. What we noticed was a claim (I believe it is true but have not checked it deeply) that people who make maps tend to include one small error deliberately in the map so if anyone copies their work they can prove it. Because if your competitor has the same error as you, they must have cheated and plagarized your map.

So a few of us uploaded our CVs to a few sites at the time (was awhile ago now) and each included one lie in it. A job experience we never actually had. We then visited a medium/psychic.

My own lie was work I had done in the sewage systems which I thought was funny at the time. The job being a load of crap you see. But my medium / psychic started discussing my history and said things like "I am getting images of a history..... somewhere in the dark..... somewhere that smelled really bad....." and in the end started getting really frustrated with me when I was like "No no I really do not remember any such experience". Until at the end she was THROWING specifics at me "It was a job. I know it was a job. Something to do with....... human waste maybe.......????" before she finally abandoned it.

Now of course the complete NON skeptic could just say "Well the lie was in your mind, so maybe this is what the psychic was reading!!!" but I think anyone with even an ounce of rationality will realize this fraud basically MSNed (google was very young then) my name and found the faked CV and ran with it.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

I don't know how he does personally, unless you got in someone head, to know it? It strange people like David Blaine never actually tell you how they do it, it like a big secret or something, very strange.

There are basic tricks of the trade Blaine and Brown use. I know many of them. I use some of them myself.

But Blaine and Brown have an advantage that people like myself do not have. The magic of Television and Editing.

These techniques work and a lot and fail a lot. To impress people you need a lost less hits than you think. You can get 5 to 10% hits and, if you are generally a good show man, win the crowd to believing you are special.

But with television people like Brown can merely edit in more hits than misses. And it looks more amazing. For example Brown has a good sketch where he goes around paying for both cheap and expensive goods with blank white paper. He "tricks" people into taking it as money.

There are techniques to do this. There is another boards user who I could invite into the thread if you want who has a spiel where he goes in paying for things with 10 euro notes but almost every time gets change of a 50 for example. He does it for fun, and always goes BACK into the shop and returns the money saying "I think you made a mistake here". But if he was more nefarious, he would have made quite the tidy profit by now.

But in Brown's sketch, if I remember correctly, he had three hits and one miss. I think he bought one kebab and one jewel necklack from a jewler for example.

I suspect however this was likely edited down out of footage of a huge amount of misses and a relatively small number of hits.

branie2

I tend to avoid those charlatans

Hermy

banie01 wrote: »

...fake mediums...

Is there any other kind?

Cheerful Spring

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

There are basic tricks of the trade Blaine and Brown use. I know many of them. I use some of them myself.

But Blaine and Brown have an advantage that people like myself do not have. The magic of Television and Editing.

This is true, and who knows what happens during filming.

How did he pull this off though she reacted like he could have known this? It's a clever trick I love to learn this!

Cheerful Spring

This is another one that really puzzling. Joe Rogan and the money he took from his own pocket and the guy was able to reveal the serial number on it. How he do that so fast. Joe later commented he did know how he did this, but the illusionist denied it was paranormal but would not reveal his secret and this seems to be always with those guys they never tell what the secret is.

endacl

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

This is another one that really puzzling. Joe Rogan and the money he took from his own pocket and the guy was able to reveal the serial number on it. How he do that so fast. Joe later commented he did know how he did this, but the illusionist denied it was paranormal but would not reveal his secret and this seems to be always with those guys they never tell what the secret is.

If they reveal the trick it’s not as entertaining.

Cheerful Spring

endacl wrote: »

If they reveal the trick it’s not as entertaining.

How they know the serial number though it money that Joe Rogan just pulled out of his pocket right in front of him and he was blinded to see. There trillions of dollars in circulation there no possible way he could have guessed it. There has to be cheating somehow in this or the guy does have some unique ability?

pl4ichjgy17zwd

Cheerful Spring wrote:

How they know the serial number though it money that Joe Rogan just pulled out of his pocket right in front of him and he was blinded to see. There trillions of dollars in circulation there no possible way he could have guessed it. There has to be cheating somehow in this or the guy does have some unique ability?

Have you even googled it? You'll find out right away.

endacl

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

How they know the serial number though it money that Joe Rogan just pulled out of his pocket right in front of him and he was blinded to see. There trillions of dollars in circulation there no possible way he could have guessed it. There has to be cheating somehow in this or the guy does have some unique ability?

I don’t know how they know. That’s why it’s entertaining.
Of course there’s ‘cheating’. Otherwise describable as the ‘trick’.
He does indeed have a fairly unique ability. He can do the trick.

Cheerful Spring

Jimmy Inexpensive Loudmouth wrote: »

Have you even googled it? You'll find out right away.

They don't tell how it is done that is the mystery behind it.Even listen to the guy explantation at the end he does not even explain the trick. This very curious especially if there no mystery to this, why are they so hesitant to reveal the secret?

Cheerful Spring

endacl wrote: »

I don’t know how they know. That’s why it’s entertaining.
Of course there’s ‘cheating’. Otherwise describable as the ‘trick’.
He does indeed have a fairly unique ability. He can do the trick.

The only logical explanation is he cheated. I can't see how he able to read the full serial number on Joe money that he just pulled from his pocket. Sleight of hand does not make sense as the explanation or creating the illusion.

ohnonotgmail

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

They don't tell how it is done that is the mystery behind it.Even listen to the guy explantation at the end he does not even explain the trick. This very curious especially if there no mystery to this, why are they so hesitant to reveal the secret?

well then it wouldn't be much of a secret would it?

Hitman3000

Cheerful Spring wrote:

The only logical explanation is he cheated. I can't see how he able to read the full serial number on Joe money that he just pulled from his pocket. Sleight of hand does not make sense as the explanation or creating the illusion.

Of course a trick/ sleight of hand. There is no such thing as magic.

mdebets

Went to one once. Knocked on her door and she shouted from inside 'Who's there?', so I turned around straight away.