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Letter in the journal

  • 16-02-2018 12:18pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,675 ✭✭✭


    Just read a letter in the country magazine problem page from a disgruntled farmer who had issues stemming from a perceived late transfer of the farm.
    Basically he argued that if the farm had been signed over to him in his 20’s his life would have turned out better.
    Now frankly without getting into too much detail on other points in his letter I thought him delusional. I was able to ascertain that he is about 55 now and still holds this view that he should have been given the farm in his 20’s.
    What are others opinions should farms be signed over when guys are in their 20’s??


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,904 ✭✭✭kk.man


    20silkcut wrote: »
    Just read a letter in the country magazine problem page from a disgruntled farmer who had issues stemming from a perceived late transfer of the farm.
    Basically he argued that if the farm had been signed over to him in his 20’s his life would have turned out better.
    Now frankly without getting into too much detail on other points in his letter I thought him delusional. I was able to ascertain that he is about 55 now and still holds this view that he should have been given the farm in his 20’s.
    What are others opinions should farms be signed over when guys are in their 20’s??
    I got the place at 19 but would I hand it over to a 19 year old, not sure tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,609 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Up to the parents really, go work elsewhere if there is not enough for 2 families at home. If there is enough for 2 it would be foolish not to be in a partnership anyway. At the end of the day every family is different, sit down and talk about it only solution really


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,211 ✭✭✭alps


    20silkcut wrote: »
    Just read a letter in the country magazine problem page from a disgruntled farmer who had issues stemming from a perceived late transfer of the farm.
    Basically he argued that if the farm had been signed over to him in his 20’s his life would have turned out better.
    Now frankly without getting into too much detail on other points in his letter I thought him delusional. I was able to ascertain that he is about 55 now and still holds this view that he should have been given the farm in his 20’s.
    What are others opinions should farms be signed over when guys are in their 20’s??

    Farmers just need to refrain from having kids until their 40's....


    But in a serious note, farms where both generations work together in a cooperative way, can build phenomenal businesses...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,904 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Looking back I would have preferred it later in life. It's alot of responsibility for any young person. I read the article and tend to agree with your conclusion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    kk.man wrote: »
    Looking back I would have preferred it later in life. It's alot of responsibility for any young person. I read the article and tend to agree with your conclusion.

    I'd agree, i got it at 23, parents were late sixties, probably too much too soon


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,182 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    In no other profession would it be considered OK to start out at 55 years of age. Crazy when you think about it.
    And then all those years working away for nothing only abuse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭Limestone Cowboy


    In no other profession would it be considered OK to start out at 55 years of age. Crazy when you think about it.
    And then all those years working away for nothing only abuse.

    Totally agree, got it at 27 here and it felt overdue to be honest. Don't think I'd have lasted another 5 or 10 years doing all the work for none of the reward.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,675 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Mooooo wrote: »
    Up to the parents really, go work elsewhere if there is not enough for 2 families at home. If there is enough for 2 it would be foolish not to be in a partnership anyway. At the end of the day every family is different, sit down and talk about it only solution really


    If we take the average of everything.
    Average farm of 100 acres.
    Average age gap between father and first born son say 30 years.
    That would have the father signing over to the son at 55 years.
    In my opinion that is too young to retire from farming with pension age rising it could be fifteen years before they see it. On a 100 acre farm how do you survive presuming the son has his own family coming along?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,675 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    I think the answer is don’t start courting till your over 40.
    A forty plus year age gap between father and son is ideal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,609 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    20silkcut wrote: »
    If we take the average of everything.
    Average farm of 100 acres.
    Average age gap between father and first born son say 30 years.
    That would have the father signing over to the son at 55 years.
    In my opinion that is too young to retire from farming with pension age rising it could be fifteen years before they see it. On a 100 acre farm how do you survive presuming the son has his own family coming along?

    Son needs to be working elsewhere to provide for himself.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,182 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Mooooo wrote: »
    Son needs to be working elsewhere to provide for himself.

    But would he be expected to work on the farm at all, and if so would he be paid?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,163 ✭✭✭Who2


    Let every family make their own decisions. Some lads no matter what age shouldn’t be let near a farm. If it’s a part time situation I don’t think it really matters.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    But would he be expected to work on the farm at all, and if so would he be paid?

    +1
    Not many would come near it if they were ten years working away from it....isn't that the benefit of getting away


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,648 ✭✭✭honeybear


    Mum & sister read those letters (& classifieds) with interest every week. Most of them I can’t believe are genuine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,733 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    But would he be expected to work on the farm at all, and if so would he be paid?

    It is really up to the son.There may not enough to pay out labour on a farm. In a drystock situation opportunity to pay out for extra labour is limited. It a bit like should the children cut the lawn or take out the ashes from the fire. At the end of the day in most cases the parents may have to pay to put kids through college. Where there is an issue is where the child dose not carry on with life or parents impinge on his ability to do that.

    Unless there is a pension plan in place it is conceiveable that lots of farm will have to support the present incumbent into his 70's. People in there 70's in many cases are no longer old like 20 years ago. From the mid 60's on there may be the ability to transfer some of the income towards anyone helping. As well with many farms now owned by farmers that have other jobs often when they hit there 60's and retire is when time to farm really becomes available.

    I am in my mid 50's my eldest is 24 will I hand the farm over to him in the next 10 years, unlikly.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,051 ✭✭✭I says


    I’ll be retired by the time kids are old enough for it if one of them wants it.If not it’ll be sold and we’ll move into nearby town and relax no point holding on to it for nursing home to get it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,332 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    honeybear wrote: »
    Mum & sister read those letters (& classifieds) with interest every week. Most of them I can’t believe are genuine.

    Often wonder too. If they are true ,there's some women living a Very sad existence


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,106 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    wrangler wrote: »
    +1
    Not many would come near it if they were ten years working away from it....isn't that the benefit of getting away

    I know of two dairy farms of a reasonable size. One farmer has to retire for health reasons other is a part time builder now taking on more work. Both farmers are going to lease the farms on long term leases. They have successors but one is too young and the other is not sure if they want to farm or not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    I know of two dairy farms of a reasonable size. One farmer has to retire for health reasons other is a part time builder now taking on more work. Both farmers are going to lease the farms on long term leases. They have successors but one is too young and the other is not sure if they want to farm or not.

    Yea, great incentives now to lease, tax efficient for the lessee too and they can plan with security


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,655 ✭✭✭memorystick


    It's scary the amount of lads farming without knowing if they're getting it or not let alone getting it signed over. If my father had his way, I'd be farming it for my lifetime and then my nephews inherit it. The most important job that an old person has to do is to leave their affairs in order, not in some twisted, awkward, divisive manner.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    It's scary the amount of lads farming without knowing if they're getting it or not let alone getting it signed over. If my father had his way, I'd be farming it for my lifetime and then my nephews inherit it. The most important job that an old person has to do is to leave their affairs in order, not in some twisted, awkward, divisive manner.

    People in their twenties and thirties are well enough educated now not to be caught in that situation,
    I'm sure even threads on social media like this have been known to give someone a reality check as simple as we are


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,609 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    But would he be expected to work on the farm at all, and if so would he be paid?

    It depends on the people/ farm involved. If I wasn't farming here I would still help out if dad was here or if one of my siblings was at it. Going off farm for work may be the reality check some lads need in terms of expecting kids to work into adult hood with them. Going off average 100acre farm only one income can be taken off it. Know of a lad mad for farming came back from ag college told he had to go away to work as farm would only support one unit by the father. Same lad 6 years later owns 300 cows in a sharefarming arrangement with father still working at home both happy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,288 ✭✭✭carrollsno1


    Similar situation to ourselves here. Had a nice sized farm 2 families could have done well off it and my auld lad worked full time off farm but still done most of the day to day work, and my mother works too. My grandfather was such a tight arse at the back of it all, had me father there for very little pay or responsibility even. Eventually when he started to get on in the years (far side of 90) he decided to get his affairs in order, first looked after was the lazy bachelor uncle who i cant ever remember coming into the farmyard in my lifetime unless just to pass on a message, he hot half the place and it was planted within a year and hes getting an income out of it already. Then the other siblings got their bits and then it came about giving my father the better half of the farm, process has been going on for 2 years now. The farm now could definitly not support 2 families but it is now required my grandfather be looked after with the income off the bit we got, which naturally were putting up some resistance too all because he was too miserable to pay into a pension back in the day.
    Now my fathers in his mid 50s if this keeps going hell be well into his 60s until he can retire and being honest i think he just wants rid of the farm and pass it on to me giving all the hardship involved in getting it going again and it would give me something to do during the days. But seeing the whole process of the way the farm was split here honestly if i got the bit in the morning id be ringing the dairy farmer next door to lease it off me, because **** it at the end of the day all it is is a bit of clay and theres nicer bits of clay around to make a living off of too

    Better living everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Similar situation to ourselves here. Had a nice sized farm 2 families could have done well off it and my auld lad worked full time off farm but still done most of the day to day work, and my mother works too. My grandfather was such a tight arse at the back of it all, had me father there for very little pay or responsibility even. Eventually when he started to get on in the years (far side of 90) he decided to get his affairs in order, first looked after was the lazy bachelor uncle who i cant ever remember coming into the farmyard in my lifetime unless just to pass on a message, he hot half the place and it was planted within a year and hes getting an income out of it already. Then the other siblings got their bits and then it came about giving my father the better half of the farm, process has been going on for 2 years now. The farm now could definitly not support 2 families but it is now required my grandfather be looked after with the income off the bit we got, which naturally were putting up some resistance too all because he was too miserable to pay into a pension back in the day.
    Now my fathers in his mid 50s if this keeps going hell be well into his 60s until he can retire and being honest i think he just wants rid of the farm and pass it on to me giving all the hardship involved in getting it going again and it would give me something to do during the days. But seeing the whole process of the way the farm was split here honestly if i got the bit in the morning id be ringing the dairy farmer next door to lease it off me, because **** it at the end of the day all it is is a bit of clay and theres nicer bits of clay around to make a living off of too

    I don't think you'll be at a loose end in ten years time, set yourself up in the mean time and when you do eventually get it you can treat it as a bonus otherwise it'll just hang you.

    Guys in their 50s could do worse than get into IFA if they want a bit of an income subsidy and something to do when the son/daughter starts farming, I see Bert Stewart has been appointed to Veterinary Council by Minister Creed after ten years of musical chairs in Farmcentre, The Boss can't be interfering if he's in Dublin all the time.
    Keeps them outa the way


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,284 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    I know of two dairy farms of a reasonable size. One farmer has to retire for health reasons other is a part time builder now taking on more work. Both farmers are going to lease the farms on long term leases. They have successors but one is too young and the other is not sure if they want to farm or not.

    Is one of those in my neck of the woods?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,106 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Is one of those in my neck of the woods?

    Nothing gets past you. ;)

    It's a bit too close to home and I have worked there before. Fine place and fine farmer. Just a pity about some of the neighbours.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 272 ✭✭orchard farm


    Got farn here at twenty six,perfect age to build up breeding,buildings etc which im still at ten years later,aint got a lady friend so dont think owning land in your 20s means youll be fighting the women off.told the day i got it to leave it in a better shape when finished.i intend retiring at 65max hand over reins to either child if i have any or fav nephew/niece.farming is a young mans job seen enough loss makin old people livin in poverty holdin tight to land not to want to aspire to be same.give me a beech and sangiritas instead


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,163 ✭✭✭Who2


    Got farn here at twenty six,perfect age to build up breeding,buildings etc which im still at ten years later,aint got a lady friend so dont think owning land in your 20s means youll be fighting the women off.told the day i got it to leave it in a better shape when finished.i intend retiring at 65max hand over reins to either child if i have any or fav nephew/niece.farming is a young mans job seen enough loss makin old people livin in poverty holdin tight to land not to want to aspire to be same.give me a beech and sangiritas instead

    This is part of the reason I reckon a lad in his twenties shouldnt actually be transferred a farm. When I was in my early twenties all I wanted was to chase skirt and drink plenty, on a whim I decided to head off for a few weeks to aus and ended up spending years there. if I had been tied down that early I would have missed out on that whole time and its the one part in my life I actually done right. everyones different but the farm needs to be a genuine choice after somebody has seen a few different sides of the coin, rather than a chore.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,888 ✭✭✭BENDYBINN


    Who2 wrote: »
    This is part of the reason I reckon a lad in his twenties should actually be transferred a farm. When I was in my early twenties all I wanted was to chase skirt and drink plenty, on a whim I decided to head off for a few weeks to aus and ended up spending years there. if I had been tied down that early I would have missed out on that whole time and its the one part in my life I actually done right. everyones different but the farm needs to be a genuine choice after somebody has seen a few different sides of the coin, rather than a chore.

    This is gobbled gook to me ...whaat are you sayin?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,891 ✭✭✭Bullocks


    wrangler wrote: »
    I don't think you'll be at a loose end in ten years time, set yourself up in the mean time and when you do eventually get it you can treat it as a bonus otherwise it'll just hang you.

    Guys in their 50s could do worse than get into IFA if they want a bit of an income subsidy and something to do when the son/daughter starts farming, I see Bert Stewart has been appointed to Veterinary Council by Minister Creed after ten years of musical chairs in Farmcentre, The Boss can't be interfering if he's in Dublin all the time.
    Keeps them outa the way

    Do you mean lads should look for a job in the IFA to bump up income ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Bullocks wrote: »
    Do you mean lads should look for a job in the IFA to bump up income ?

    It'd keep them outa the way and give them pocket money.
    Bert Stewart is a brother of Heather Humphrey TD I think
    and chaired the IFA animal health project team, so he'd be an obvious choice for Creed for the Veterinary Council.


    .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,106 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    wrangler wrote: »
    It'd keep them outa the way and give them pocket money.
    Bert Stewart is a brother of Heather Humphrey TD I think
    and chaired the IFA animal health project team, so he'd be an obvious choice for Creed for the Veterinary Council.


    .
    I did get a chuckle reading about the January meeting in the Dealer part of the journal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,025 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    lads funny thing is i have 3 bachelor neighbours these lads are serious big farmers, one lad has about 300 acres owned and 150 rented, does sheep and suckler-beef. he is 52 his partner is 38 he has 2 kids another on the way. next lad also 52 going out with a woman around 40 ish gas about 200 acres and rents about 150. next lad is 50 engaged to a girl of 37 owns 250 acres has most let out and keeps about 30 cattle. maybe this is the way forward have your kids in your late 40s and by the time your 75 thier 25-30


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    Dickie10 wrote:
    lads funny thing is i have 3 bachelor neighbours these lads are serious big farmers, one lad has about 300 acres owned and 150 rented, does sheep and suckler-beef. he is 52 his partner is 38 he has 2 kids another on the way. next lad also 52 going out with a woman around 40 ish gas about 200 acres and rents about 150. next lad is 50 engaged to a girl of 37 owns 250 acres has most let out and keeps about 30 cattle. maybe this is the way forward have your kids in your late 40s and by the time your 75 thier 25-30


    No energy tho for the kids tho


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 272 ✭✭orchard farm


    Yea i think thats the way to go,rear kids 40-60 then hand over the reigns and fade into the sunset.im a believer in a firm but fair father being a guide,influence,teacher father and not one of the lads you can go drinkin with cause hes only 45 when your 22.with age comes knowledge


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭MF290


    Not much hope of a lot of part time farmers handing over the place early if they intend to retire from the full time job to farm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 272 ✭✭orchard farm


    MF290 wrote: »
    Not much hope of a lot of part time farmers handing over the place early if they intend to retire from the full time job to farm.
    True dat if thats what ya wanna do but if farms not big enough to run as your fulltime job then dont think its big enough for a young lad or lassie to take over anyways.young educated people today expect 30-40k so a farm needs to be able to provide this to justify full time farming. maybe,just maybe alot of farming woes ie farm accidents,suckler prices etc are because of hobby farms for elderly people


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,288 ✭✭✭carrollsno1


    MF290 wrote: »
    Not much hope of a lot of part time farmers handing over the place early if they intend to retire from the full time job to farm.

    Think the old man was hoping id go part time farming with him the last time i came back from abroad, i was mad for it at the time but told him im going to NZ first. I went to sydney at christmas and as the saying goes "the taste of fresh grass ruined the beast"

    Better living everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,733 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    True dat if thats what ya wanna do but if farms not big enough to run as your fulltime job then dont think its big enough for a young lad or lassie to take over anyways.young educated people today expect 30-40k so a farm needs to be able to provide this to justify full time farming. maybe,just maybe alot of farming woes ie farm accidents,suckler prices etc are because of hobby farms for elderly people

    For most qualifying with a decent degree 30-40 would be the starting rate. Most will be on 50+ in there 40's. This is what full time farming equates to. Those most at risk of farming accidents are elderly farmers.

    But we are again back to this BS about any part time farmer being a hobby farmer. Farming is a business some run it as one some do not. I know as many full time farmers that do not rub it properly as part time farmers in the area I am. In area's where land is of poor quality lads have no choice but to work as well and always did.

    I read the letter in the journal. To an extent it came across as blaming someone else for where there life was. His parents because he did not get the farm until he was 40 and a former girlfriend for him being still single. It is a sad letter but I imagine that he made choices in life that he cannot now accept and to an extent blames other people.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,825 ✭✭✭blackbox


    I don't get this sense of entitlement. It is up to the parents to get a good education for their children, but by the time they are educated adults they should be looking after themselves.
    If they can get a job on the parent's farm that pays enough, good for them. If not, get a job somewhere else.
    As for the farm owner (parent), it's up to them when and whether they want to pass on the farm. The may choose to sell it and travel the world or lease it for a pension income.
    Same as any other business.

    .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,675 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    In fairness as a man your 20’s are a tough time. Your after coming out of the difficult teen years your full of potential full of ideas and you find all of a sudden as though hit by a train the world does not really want you.
    Your told your in your prime that these are your best years that middle age things start going down hill. Your body is telling you that your physically and mentally fitter than older people. Yet you are disregarded. It is ok for society to disregard young people as inexperienced. Look at how Leo Varadkar was dissed by unionist and conservative politicians as naive and in- experienced in the pre Christmas brexit negotiations and he is well past his 20’s. If they had made any comments on his ethnicity or sexual orientation they would have been castigated but his youth is fair game.
    A further complicating factor that ****s with your brain is the fact that your contemporary females who you grew up with you are in their period of highest value and enjoying their best years in their 20’s and worse still they are not looking sideways at you.
    You were fed the feminists equality agenda in school so you assume that because your in your 20 s these should be your best years as well because we are all the same aren’t we?
    In my opinion and going on anecdotal evidence etc I would reckon if you were to ask people and they were to give absolute honesty very few men in particular would say their 20’s were the high point of their life. Even taking sportsmen in their physical prime in soccer or GAA etc a lot of times they are overshadowed by their middle aged manager who is the boss and formulates the tactics etc and often endures far beyond their playing careers. Again though if you ask the manager he will say he would rather be out playing but is that an honest answer?
    The truth is your later life beyond 35 is better than your teenage years and 20’s by a long shot. Your value to women goes up. Your value to your family increases. There are less people around that are older than you.
    Even if you don’t achieve very much later on the burden of unrealistic expectation of your 20’s has shifted and often gives way to a calm acceptance of the way things are which comes with middle age which makes you an easier person to be around and live with.
    If I was to look back at my life I would say the happiest years are childhood up to 13/14 and then post 33/34 with full health.
    Teenage years and the subsequent 20’s are tumultuous. It is a hard period but it does pass.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,388 ✭✭✭Grueller


    20silkcut wrote: »
    In fairness as a man your 20’s are a tough time. Your after coming out of the difficult teen years your full of potential full of ideas and you find all of a sudden as though hit by a train the world does not really want you.
    Your told your in your prime that these are your best years that middle age things start going down hill. Your body is telling you that your physically and mentally fitter than older people. Yet you are disregarded. It is ok for society to disregard young people as inexperienced. Look at how Leo Varadkar was dissed by unionist and conservative politicians as naive and in- experienced in the pre Christmas brexit negotiations and he is well past his 20’s. If they had made any comments on his ethnicity or sexual orientation they would have been castigated but his youth is fair game.
    A further complicating factor that ****s with your brain is the fact that your contemporary females who you grew up with you are in their period of highest value and enjoying their best years in their 20’s and worse still they are not looking sideways at you.
    You were fed the feminists equality agenda in school so you assume that because your in your 20 s these should be your best years as well because we are all the same aren’t we?
    In my opinion and going on anecdotal evidence etc I would reckon if you were to ask people and they were to give absolute honesty very few men in particular would say their 20’s were the high point of their life. Even taking sportsmen in their physical prime in soccer or GAA etc a lot of times they are overshadowed by their middle aged manager who is the boss and formulates the tactics etc and often endures far beyond their playing careers. Again though if you ask the manager he will say he would rather be out playing but is that an honest answer?
    The truth is your later life beyond 35 is better than your teenage years and 20’s by a long shot. Your value to women goes up. Your value to your family increases. There are less people around that are older than you.
    Even if you don’t achieve very much later on the burden of unrealistic expectation of your 20’s has shifted and often gives way to a calm acceptance of the way things are which comes with middle age which makes you an easier person to be around and live with.
    If I was to look back at my life I would say the happiest years are childhood up to 13/14 and then post 33/34 with full health.
    Teenage years and the subsequent 20’s are tumultuous. It is a hard period but it does pass.

    Very accurate post.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    Grueller wrote: »
    Very accurate post.

    Tell that to g2m.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,182 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    20silkcut wrote: »
    In fairness as a man your 20’s are a tough time.........

    Very insightful post.
    I've found myself thinking a lot recently about how playing sport impacts on your life. When you think about it, as a boy, the only adult men you interact with as a child are either through education or sport. Met some really abusive individuals in both primary and secondary school. Saw a teacher one day hit his own son so hard across the side of the head so hard he knocked him flat on the ground. The poor boy forgot to do some sums and for each one, after he had done them on the board, he came down and asked hime if he had that one done. Must have hit him at least 4 times. Boy never cried. I reckon he was about 11 at the time.
    I got thumped into the chest myself when I was 12 by a notorious english teacher, for forgetting some spelling example for some rule he gave us. To this day, when you meet people from the same school they always talk about him. Savage stuff.

    Compare that to the years I spent playing hurling. All good memories. Saw the under 12s training recently and all the lads training them were guys I grew up with hurling. Great to see.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,198 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    It is really up to the son.There may not enough to pay out labour on a farm. In a drystock situation opportunity to pay out for extra labour is limited. It a bit like should the children cut the lawn or take out the ashes from the fire. At the end of the day in most cases the parents may have to pay to put kids through college. Where there is an issue is where the child dose not carry on with life or parents impinge on his ability to do that.

    Unless there is a pension plan in place it is conceiveable that lots of farm will have to support the present incumbent into his 70's. People in there 70's in many cases are no longer old like 20 years ago. From the mid 60's on there may be the ability to transfer some of the income towards anyone helping. As well with many farms now owned by farmers that have other jobs often when they hit there 60's and retire is when time to farm really becomes available.

    I am in my mid 50's my eldest is 24 will I hand the farm over to him in the next 10 years, unlikly.

    The way forward a farm partnership between you and your son and he learns the ropes and the business end.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,025 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    yeah i actually am beginning to see this as i approach 35, an awful lot of the expectation and questions and half slagging that i got in the 20s espeically late 20s have begun to evaporate. back then i was doing my teacher training with clear goals in mind after having gone through college and got an apprenticeship. Amazing the amount of questions and noseying people did that time. i even found it a bit bitterness by some individuals. I was always happy with my life and acheiving my goals as i went along. now at 34 people seem to not be as overly keen on questioning my life choices, plans or anything surrounding my work or the farm. thank god, it was tough enough at times tbh. definitly i noticed some of my friends distance themselves from me as i achieved over the last few years. i let them go


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,733 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The way forward a farm partnership between you and your son and he learns the ropes and the business end.

    Believe you me he know the ropes and has a good idea of the business end of it. He has a third level qualification and is in Australia at present but more than likely will come home after 2 years. it is purely up to him. Why go for a farm partnership it is up to him to plough his own forrow.

    He has been around the farm for as long as I own it and is intelligent enough to make his own decisions and pathway

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Believe you me he know the ropes and has a good idea of the business end of it. He has a third level qualification and is in Australia at present but more than likely will come home after 2 years. it is purely up to him. Why go for a farm partnership it is up to him to plough his own forrow.

    He has been around the farm for as long as I own it and is intelligent enough to make his own decisions and pathway

    i could've given my farm over to someone, those that I was considering were 35+.... I really didn't see I'd be doing them any favours,.. quite the opposite in fact.
    I'm happy enough now with my decision.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,163 ✭✭✭Who2


    wrangler wrote: »
    i could've given my farm over to someone, those that I was considering were 35+.... I really didn't see I'd be doing them any favours,.. quite the opposite in fact.
    I'm happy enough now with my decision.

    AAH Wrangler, sure if you need a hand dont be afraid to call and sure if your at nothing on sundays i'll make the dinner for ya. dont be sitting in that house bored, call in for a cuppa anytime. Im heading into the town on thursday, will we call by the solicitors.;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Who2 wrote: »
    AAH Wrangler, sure if you need a hand dont be afraid to call and sure if your at nothing on sundays i'll make the dinner for ya. dont be sitting in that house bored, call in for a cuppa anytime. Im heading into the town on thursday, will we call by the solicitors.;)

    One guy said to me he'd have to sell seven lambs/week to equal his pay.....where would you be going.
    It'd probably have to sell three times that to have the equivalent of his pay in profit


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