Graffiti Artists - What do you think?

PistolsAtDawn

Spotted this article today: http://www.thejournal.ie/graffiti-wall-bernard-shaw-3850507-Feb2018/

I know the area, passed through it a few times as I am sure many of you have.

I agree there is a chronic housing issue at the moment and i'm not suggesting a wall should get in the way of that. However, I do think it is important for people to be able to pursue their interests, whether that's playing/watching football (mass audience), engaging in yoga (medium audience) or practicing graffiti (small audience). I don't know how important it is to have loads of different subcultures in a city but I envisage a pretty boring existence if everyone was/acted the same. A small part of me likes knowing there are ninjas roaming around at night and the only clue to their existence is the "art"/art visible the next day.

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Then I walk outside and as I peer through my rose tinted glasses I spot a fresh tag on the front wall, again :mad:

So, graffiti artists and their contribution to society are you a fan or do you think fu*k them?

Guy:Incognito

"A Dublin street artist has suggested preserving the wall in some way, by assigning another one nearby for artists’ use."

How about these lads use the walls of their own houses?

Effects

I think the writings on the wall for those lads.

freshpopcorn

I find some of what they do can look good but the thought of going outside and spraying on a strangers wall is just strange to me.

Oldtree

When I lived in London and it was artistic, then it was something interesting to look. Some of the entire warehouse outside wall graffiti was exceptionally intricate, as was some of the stuff on tubes trains.

But the simplistic tagging is for simple morons and they should be made wash it off with their tongues!

Atoms for Peace

It has more artistic merit than the majority of what is passed off as modern art.

Ajsoprano

It drives down the price of the area your parents paid a mortgage in you stupid 12 year olds. You will inherit that one day.

Noveight

Some of the high class stuff can be beautiful, but 90% of the ten minute rattle-can jobs we see in cities and towns are an eyesore.

Cookie_Monster

PistolsAtDawn wrote: »

However, I do think it is important for people to be able to pursue their interests,?

my interests include robbery, criminal damage and arson. Should I be able to freely pursue these as well?

Herb Powell

Ajsoprano wrote: »

It drives down the price of the area your parents paid a mortgage in you stupid 12 year olds. You will inherit that one day.

It drives down the price of housing? Plough on to fucck so, I'm gonna pick up a few cans and maybe soon I'll be able to afford a house.

ChunkyLover54

freshpopcorn wrote: »

the thought of going outside and spraying on a strangers wall is just strange to me.

It never stopped my cat.

K.Flyer

I would love to catch the little scrotes that are going around spraying their sh!te tags etc on peoples private property.
I'd take their can and cover them in spray from top to toe and do the same to their phone and anything else I could find on them and see how they like having to clean it off.
Anyone caught spraying on other peoples private homes or public buildings deserves a serious kick in the hole.

Yer Da sells Avon

I don't mind if they put a bit of effort into it and use a decent palette of colours, or write some kind of meaningful political message, but tagging usually looks crap.

Some of it can be absolutely amazing. In Hanoi here, I was friends with a few English lads who did indoor graffiti work on commission around Vietnam and Thailand.

The did some of the classic graffiti style which I'm not really a big fan of, but they branched into other more gray-scale sort of work because it was for bars / nightclubs / venues and you could really see how much skill it takes.

Del2005

Deleted User wrote: »

Some of it can be absolutely amazing. In Hanoi here, I was friends with a few English lads who did indoor graffiti work on commission around Vietnam and Thailand.

Would that not just be called painting?

Deleted User wrote: »

The did some of the classic graffiti style which I'm not really a big fan of, but they branched into other more gray-scale sort of work because it was for bars / nightclubs / venues and you could really see how much skill it takes.

As you've said the good people are very good and make money off it. Unfortunately the majority of graffiti vandals have no talent and just make the place look like a kip.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Del2005 wrote: »

Would that not just be called painting?

Why does it have to be outside? Seen plenty of (tenchincally) indoor grafitti in places like subway stations. Doesn't even nessecarily have to be on a wall - I've seen grafitti painted onto sheets, portable wooden panels even trains.

As you've said the good people are very good and make money off it. Unfortunately the majority of graffiti vandals have no talent and just make the place look like a kip.

Ah, but how do you thing they got to be good?!

Generally speaking, though, grafitti is a transient art form anyway and all grafitti artists know this, so the idea of the wall being demolished is no different to the wall being painted over and that happens all the time.

s7ryf3925pivug

It doesn't look anything special from the pics. There's much better graffiti around Limerick. Google it.

namloc1980

Artful graffiti can really add to the urban landscape. However 95% of it is done by eejits with a can spraying "I woz ere" or "ManU rools". Those lads deserve a kick up the hole.

eeguy

Graffiti is like tattoos.

95% are sh*t. 5% are fantastic. Also the older it gets the worse it looks.

Colonel Claptrap

whisky_galore

The can be amazing stuff, but the run of the mill 'tag' is the equivalent of a dog pissing to mark its territory.

Billy86

ChunkyLover54 wrote: »

freshpopcorn wrote: »

the thought of going outside and spraying on a strangers wall is just strange to me.

It never stopped my cat.

Yeah but your cat has some serious talent.

Irish Guitarist

I have no interest in seeing some gobshites already nonsensical nickname written in illegible writing.

Some bastard destroyed Carlow Castle a couple of years ago with graffiti. It's since been cleaned but the red ink hasn't been completely removed.





As far as I'm concerned whoever did this should be charged with a crime. As should every other graffiti 'artist' instead of being pandered to by their vandalism being considered art.

circadian

Good quality work in the right place works for me (the above post is just out of order, no need to do that to a historical monument).

I'm sick of seeing evoke everywhere.

Guy:Incognito

circadian wrote: »

Good quality work in the right place works for me (the above post is just out of order, no need to do that to a historical monument).

I'm sick of seeing evoke everywhere.

The right place is on their own property, not someone else's.

s3rtvdbwfj81ch

They are criminals, simple as that.

Anyone being an apologist for them clearly has never owned anything more expensive than a packet of koka noodles.

Jimbob1977

Milan is covered in graffiti.

It makes the place look run down

I don't think Michelangelo or da Vinci had that in mind

Billy86

Ireland does seem to have a really low standard by and large from what I have seen. There is (or used to be?) some really great stuff up near the Beacon hospital in Sandyford and I've seen the odd very great bits in town though typically down a random back alley than in a place where they would be noticed, but so much of it is crap. When it's done right though as it is in a lot of other places, it can look pretty great and really nerich an area.

This are one of the Sandyford ones:




I've seen this before, think it is in and around the Liberties:


Don't know where this is but apparently also in Dublin and it really brightens up a pretty drab looking street:


It's a shame that so, so much of it here though is basically what was posted a little bit up from Carlow Castle.

Effects

Oldtree wrote: »

When I lived in London and it was artistic, then it was something interesting to look. Some of the entire warehouse outside wall graffiti was exceptionally intricate, as was some of the stuff on tubes trains.

You didn't see anything intricate on a tube train. That doesn't happen.

whisky_galore

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

Milan is covered in graffiti.

It makes the place look run down

I don't think Michelangelo or da Vinci had that in mind

That's up to the municipal authorities, some Italian cities (esp those who are heavily into tourism/heritage) are quite free of graffiti.
You have to keep painting over or cleaning off what was daubed the night before, soon they'll give up in the knowledge that their 'art' will have a short life.

bucketybuck

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

"A Dublin street artist has suggested preserving the wall in some way, by assigning another one nearby for artists’ use."

How about these lads use the walls of their own houses?

You really think any of those idiots have their own houses?

Del2005

Del2005 wrote: »

Would that not just be called painting?

Not really. It's done with a spray can and it's all clearly "graffiti".

s7ryf3925pivug

I think the term artist is being used loosely here. Scrawling a slogan is not art. Tagging like in the op article is best considered separate to art as well.

Most graffiti that is memorable is in the category of art though. If public property is painted in a way that pleases the public then I don't think that should be considered vandalism.

Stab*City

A lot of the stuff being talked about is not done by graffiti artists but just teenagers with spray cans. Such and such woz ere is not being painted by the same person doing the beautiful artwork we see in and around my city anyway. They are two different people. A lot of the proper artists are too busy being commissioned for events, shows and urban regeneration.

Granted tagging is how alot of kids first get into it i think the ones who progress to real street artists are awesome. Tagging is part of the urban landscape now in most cities. I wonder how much money is spent on this global game of cat n mouse. Obviously the measures being taken to deter tagging are not working.

I mean obviously if someone sprays their name across the side of the car or house you are right to be pi**ed! But these people need to be dealt with differently than the people who make wonderful works of art.

http://www.dailyedge.ie/best-irish-street-art-1627974-Aug2014/

Doltanian

It is not art, it is vandalism and if I ever caught any scumbag spray painting my place he would have to join these lads who actually make an effort https://www.mfpa.uk/

I was in Milan recently and Graffiti is horrible and spray cans should be heavily regulated and banned except to licensed car repair shops who need them.

Pyr0

Proper artistic pieces? Yes, I'm all for it but I wouldn't want it showing up on any available spot or building, it should be confined to designated places.

Crap like "Anto is gay" or "Up the RA" should be removed wherever it shows up.

seachto7

Depends. Was in Rome and the city is ruined with it. Should be an on the spot fine, though if it's in a designated area, fair enough.

e.g. El Niño de las Pinturas

Guy:Incognito

bucketybuck wrote: »

You really think any of those idiots have their own houses?

Well to be fair, I meant their parents houses

See how long they keep at it then.

Stab*City

Doltanian wrote: »

It is not art, it is vandalism and if I ever caught any scumbag spray painting my place he would have to join these lads who actually make an effort https://www.mfpa.uk/

I was in Milan recently and Graffiti is horrible and spray cans should be heavily regulated and banned except to licensed car repair shops who need them.

Yes some of it is art. Art is subjective.. Couple lads i know do it and trust me your threats would be like water off a ducks back. And of course your threat of violence is ok but spray paint should be outlawed!?! :eek:

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Doltanian wrote: »

It is not art, it is vandalism and if I ever caught any scumbag spray painting my place he would have to join these lads who actually make an effort https://www.mfpa.uk/

I was in Milan recently and Graffiti is horrible and spray cans should be heavily regulated and banned except to licensed car repair shops who need them.

Whether or not it is vandalism depends on whether or not it's done with permission or not. A lot of it is commissioned (you can tell sometimes because it took a serious amount of time).

Whether or not it is art depends on the amount of expression. Banksy's grafitti is most certainly considered art - it's been displayed in art galleries - so how can the exact same painting be conisdered art in one place but not in another?

Of course, it can be both art and vandalism at the same time.

sbsquarepants

Some of it is brilliant, most is just vandalism.

Writing your name on 200 walls doesn't make you an artist, it makes you a wanker.

I'm talking to you evoke. Get a fúcking job you dildo, I'm sick of seeing your name everywhere I go.:mad:

pickarooney

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Whether or not it is vandalism depends on whether or not it's done with permission or not. A lot of it is commissioned (you can tell sometimes because it took a serious amount of time).

Whether or not it is art depends on the amount of expression. Banksy's grafitti is most certainly considered art - it's been displayed in art galleries - so how can the exact same painting be conisdered art in one place but not in another?

Of course, it can be both art and vandalism at the same time.

Art Vandally?

Effects

Doltanian wrote: »

banned except to licensed car repair shops who need them.

Car repair shops don't use cans of spray paint.

diomed

Medieval stocks were a good idea.

purcela

Check out Hosier Lane in Melbourne on Google, when done well graffiti art is fantastic.

Irish Guitarist

Defacing property that doesn't belong to you is vandalism. I don't care whether it's a name quickly sprayed on, a picture that took a bit longer or a 'witty' Banksy style slogan. They're all vandalism if they're done without permission.

And art is subjective. If you're going to say one piece of vandalism is art then why not the other? There are modern art galleries full of paintings that look like they took two minutes to paint. So if you're going to think of vandals as artists aren't teenagers with paint cans that do a quick scrawl on a wall minimalist artists?

K.Flyer

Anyone who calls this typical sh!te "Art" needs their head examined. This is wilfull damage and vandalism. I don't know how many times the owner of this place has had to repaint their walls and garage door, only for gormless toe-rags to come along and destroy it again.

K.Flyer

Another eyesore..

I'm wit K.Flyer. Majority of it is a bunch of fcuktards with not an ounce of cop on.

In my opinion, if you are commissioned to do a piece of work, have property-owner's permission and have agreed a style and image in advance, you're doing graffiti.

If you aren't commissioned and don't have the permission of the property owner, what you're doing is vandalism and I hope so sincerely a passing truck takes you under it's wheels.

K.Flyer

This does nothing to enhance the ambience of an area, just turns it into a kip..