Car scraped mine in car park - have it on cam

i57dwun4yb1pt8

i always walk round my car before leaving a multi story and look around

i noticed grey silver scrapes on the passenger side bumper
that were not there an hour before .
down into the base coat / plastic .

no car on right , green car on left , had to wait til i got home and checked the cam

2007 Toyota Avensis MC 1.6 Aura 4DR silver is visible driving into me
slight bump on cam as car moves a tad .

must have left later and the green one took its place ( still checking when it left )

Have the reg , no note or call .

its is private hospital car park - but surely this is criminal damage ?

time for the guards ?

aaakev

Call your insurance and let them deal with it

FionnK86

DaDumTish wrote: »

i always walk round my car before leaving a multi story and look around

i noticed grey silver scrapes on the passenger side bumper
that were not there an hour before .
down into the base coat / plastic .

no car on right , green car on left , had to wait til i got home and checked the cam

2007 Toyota Avensis MC 1.6 Aura 4DR silver is visible driving into me
slight bump on cam as car moves a tad .

Have the reg , no note or call .

its is private hospital car park - but surely this is criminal damage ?

time for the guards ?

I'm not sure if the guards would get involved if it's a civil matter. I would get an estimate however if you can get one for free of a local garage. That way when you get the contact details of the 3rd party you can offer to settle it out of the insurance if a claim might affect your no claims bonus, depending on your insurance company.

I would also approach the hospital in a polite way and mention that you would like the CCTV. If they refuse, take the member of staff who refuses name and tell them you'll be back with a Garda request and leave your contact details. The guards can then request the CCTV from the hospital, and whilst they are at it, they might try to find out the name of the driver for you.

Doing some homework now will help you if you do end up having to go to court. I can't offer legal advice on this forum, but it's wise to make sure you document everything you do, take names of officials and dates.

JackieChan

FionnK86 wrote: »

That way when you get the contact details of the 3rd party you can offer to settle it out of the insurance if a claim might affect your no claims bonus, depending on your insurance company.

Can a claim against someones else insurance where they are responsible really impact your NCB? Or did you mean "their" insurance instead of "your"?

beechwood55

The hospital has no obligation to issue you with the CCTV recording. That has to come from the Gardai. If they deem it worthy of the effort involved.

The Rape of Lucretia

DaDumTish wrote: »

surely this is criminal damage ?

I dont think so. Criminal damage requires intent to damage. Vandalism, arson, sabotage, etc.

07Lapierre

Get a repair estimate for your car. Then drop into your local Garda station and request the owners details. Advise the Gardai you have dashcam evidence.

shaunr68

beechwood55 wrote: »

The hospital has no obligation to issue you with the CCTV recording. That has to come from the Gardai. If they deem it worthy of the effort involved.

Why would the OP need to request CCTV recordings - they stated that they already have footage of the incident, presumably from their own dash cam. Could do with clarification from OP.

i57dwun4yb1pt8

yes its my dash cam, ( daily roads on a spare android phone ) the video needs a bit of brightening to see reg , but its all there .


surely i need to tell guards before anything ?

how can i get details of third party without first calling it a hit an run basically

hospital has a damage disclaimer sign , but its not their fault anyway

07Lapierre

DaDumTish wrote: »

yes its my dash cam, ( daily rods on a spare android phone ) the video needs a bit of brightening to see reg , but its all there .


surely i need to tell guards before anything ?

You need the Gardai to identify the car owner. Once you have the car owners details, the Gardai are done.

i57dwun4yb1pt8

any idea how to do that ? do i need to supply video copy etc ?

colm_mcm

07Lapierre wrote: »

You need the Gardai to identify the car owner. Once you have the car owners details, the Gardai are done.

The gardai are hardly gonna give out that info to you though?

07Lapierre

colm_mcm wrote: »

The gardai are hardly gonna give out that info to you though?

Only one way to find out. I work for a fleet Mgt. Company. I've been contacted lots of times by the Gardai requesting such information.

07Lapierre

DaDumTish wrote: »

any idea how to do that ? do i need to supply video copy etc ?

copy it to your phone and show it to them at the station. If they request a copy, upload it to YouTube and send them the link.

colm_mcm

07Lapierre wrote: »

Only one way to find out. I work for a fleet Mgt. Company. I've been contacted lots of times by the Gardai requesting such information.

Would’ve thought it’d be a serious data protection breach if they actually passed that sort of info onto a random punter.

kc66

Gardai recently gave name and phone number to my wife of someone who ran into her. She just had the reg. Was speaking with the guy on the day but forgot to get the rest of his contact details.

07Lapierre

colm_mcm wrote: »

Would’ve thought it’d be a serious data protection breach if they actually passed that sort of info onto a random punter.

Like I said...I've been contacted many times by the Gardai. In my case it's usually someone who drove off and forgot to pay for petrol. But it's a similar situation. Gardai are contacted by a punter who tells them the reg of a car and that car did something. The Gardai contact the car owner and ask them to contact the punter who requested the info.

dubrov

Just report it to your insurance company and they will deal with it.

I wouldn't bother giving them a chance to settle outside of insurance. They had a chance to do the right thing so screw them.

antodeco

Report to guards and insurance. Don't expect the guards to do anything. Same happened me. Had on camera a car scraping down the side of mine. Could see it happening, the driver getting out, looking at the damage, and then driving off. Reg was fully visible in the furniture. After following up with the guards myself at least 5 times, I gave up. They just said they asked the driver to talk to them and that he wouldn't.

07Lapierre

antodeco wrote: »

Report to guards and insurance. Don't expect the guards to do anything. Same happened me. Had on camera a car scraping down the side of mine. Could see it happening, the driver getting out, looking at the damage, and then driving off. Reg was fully visible in the furniture. After following up with the guards myself at least 5 times, I gave up. They just said they asked the driver to talk to them and that he wouldn't.

There are honest drivers and dishonest ones.
There are good Gardai and bad Gardai.

OP. Contact the Gardai. See what happens. You've nothing to lose and everything to gain. Maybe it's a leased car and it'll be me the Gardai call?

dr.fuzzenstein

colm_mcm wrote: »

Would’ve thought it’d be a serious data protection breach if they actually passed that sort of info onto a random punter.

On a practical note, wouldn't the OP need to know the person's name in order to claim off them?

CeilingFly

dubrov wrote: »

Just report it to your insurance company and they will deal with it.

I wouldn't bother giving them a chance to settle outside of insurance. They had a chance to do the right thing so screw them.

It's a scratch on a bumper!! 😁 😁

If you contact your insurance company, even if there is no blame on you, it goes on your record and you will see your premium rise.

Marcusm

07Lapierre wrote: »

Like I said...I've been contacted many times by the Gardai. In my case it's usually someone who drove off and forgot to pay for petrol. But it's a similar situation. Gardai are contacted by a punter who tells them the reg of a car and that car did something. The Gardai contact the car owner and ask them to contact the punter who requested the info.

On a legal note, you may be in breach of Data Protection Act and almost definitely GDPR when it comes in. A phone call from someone claiming to be a guard is likely insufficient protection of the data you hold!

07Lapierre

Marcusm wrote: »

On a legal note, you may be in breach of Data Protection Act and almost definitely GDPR when it comes in. A phone call from someone claiming to be a guard is likely insufficient protection of the data you hold!

I never said i gave the info out over the phone. In fact I did have a "detective" demand that I give him the info he wanted over the phone and he started quoting section such and such of the something act...I told him to sod off! I told him where I work and to come and arrest me.....or just send me his Garda email address and I'd email him (which he did)

i57dwun4yb1pt8

CeilingFly wrote: »

It's a scratch on a bumper!! �� ��

If you contact your insurance company, even if there is no blame on you, it goes on your record and you will see your premium rise.

not if you change company every year , i dont think its the case anyway .

it is a number of gouges and scratches , and also i would think dealer will insist brake radar is re calibrated after a bumper scrape

i did this myself to a car once and left my number and paid for it all , i expect the same response

Klinkhammer

This happened to my dad. There was a witness. The Garda were very quick to pay a visit to the perpetrator and threatened to press charges of leaving the scene of an accident if my dad wanted them to. It was just a scrape as well so I would definitely contact them.

i57dwun4yb1pt8

thanks for all the help , got cctv organised and the guards very good . though i did have to produce full insurance cert ,
and the guard did have to check the car damage etc - you need to have your **** together - else you might get done for your own issues. !

robtri

why do you even need the guards??

send it all to your ins company and let them figure it out...

Hibrasil

Klinkhammer wrote: »

This happened to my dad. There was a witness. The Garda were very quick to pay a visit to the perpetrator and threatened to press charges of leaving the scene of an accident .

Correct me if I'm wrong - but leaving the scene on accident applies to public roads (the road traffic acts) - a private car park is not a public road I would think!

ironclaw

Just going to chime in here and say, OP do you have any evidence your car wasn't scratched before you arrived? Its the first question I'd ask if someone made a claim against me. You have footage from the front of the car, showing the bonnet and wings, but not the door. You say the camera moves but you don't have images of the actual contact.

Not trying to undermine you, I'm sure you're in the right, but it would be pretty trivial for someone to get out of this unless you have proof the car was in perfect nick when you arrived and was damaged immediately after the other party left.

Del2005

robtri wrote: »

why do you even need the guards??

send it all to your ins company and let them figure it out...

Because you need to inform the Gardaí of any Road Traffic Incidents.

Hibrasil wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong - but leaving the scene on accident applies to public roads (the road traffic acts) - a private car park is not a public road I would think!

The public have access therefore it's a public road for any legislation. To not be considered a public place there needs be restricted access for the public.

Klinkhammer

Hibrasil wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong - but leaving the scene on accident applies to public roads (the road traffic acts) - a private car park is not a public road I would think!

Possibly. This happened on a public road.

Lantus

Marcusm wrote:

On a legal note, you may be in breach of Data Protection Act and almost definitely GDPR when it comes in. A phone call from someone claiming to be a guard is likely insufficient protection of the data you hold!

There are easy ways to verify a Garda identity before any information is handed over. Data can be encrypted for sending.

Lantus

Hibrasil wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong - but leaving the scene on accident applies to public roads (the road traffic acts) - a private car park is not a public road I would think!

Exactly this. They hit a car and left without notifying the other owner or exchanging details. No different to legging it after an accident.

Skuxx

Something similar happened my mum, someone hit her car in a car park and drove away, someone in another car saw it and left a note with the registration.
My mum went to the guards and they traced the person, rang them, explained they were seen doing it and asked for permission to give their details to my mum.
Worth a try going to the guards!

CeilingFly

Hibrasil wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong - but leaving the scene on accident applies to public roads (the road traffic acts) - a private car park is not a public road I would think!

Afaik, legislation always states "public place" and that's not restricted to a public road.

Imagine a car careering off a road onto a green area and crashing into a cyclist - then leaving. If legislation said "public road" then that motorist would not be able to be charged.

Any place that the public have access to is a public place - and that includes private carparks

Victor

Hibrasil wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong - but leaving the scene on accident applies to public roads (the road traffic acts) - a private car park is not a public road I would think!

Likely applies to public places (places where the public have access, whether by payment of fee or not), not just public roads.

DaveyDave

Can someone tell my why the owner of the car has to give permission to hand over their insurance details? What's so confidential about a policy number and a reg plate that can be seen in public?

I got hit by a car once. Garda on scene, left in an ambulance. Nothing broken just soft tissue damage. Out of work for a week, lost wages etc. The Garda dealing with the case was a ghost. Apparently never in work, always on holidays and never responded to my messages. When I did finally get through to him he said he'd have to get permission for insurance detail and asked was I sure I wanted to get them...

I got ignored and couldn't claim. I was out of pocket about €550. I was on a bicycle, had it have been a car it would have been a different story.

I guess next time I'll take a picture of their insurance disc?

boardz

My tuppence worth I had the same situation with my car in the Blanchardstown Shopping Centre last month and I have to say the security guy was very helpful and understanding. Came to where the car was parked and was on the the radio to the CCTV control room. He couldn't give me any information and advised that I go to the Garda station. Garda took the details and called me the next day to let me know that the camera picked up a car going very close to my car but could not see any actual contact. Very impressed all around.

Plus the damage almost totally disappeared after using T Cut.

07Lapierre

DaveyDave wrote: »

Can someone tell my why the owner of the car has to give permission to hand over their insurance details? What's so confidential about a policy number and a reg plate that can be seen in public?

I got hit by a car once. Garda on scene, left in an ambulance. Nothing broken just soft tissue damage. Out of work for a week, lost wages etc. The Garda dealing with the case was a ghost. Apparently never in work, always on holidays and never responded to my messages. When I did finally get through to him he said he'd have to get permission for insurance detail and asked was I sure I wanted to get them...

I got ignored and couldn't claim. I was out of pocket about €550. I was on a bicycle, had it have been a car it would have been a different story.

I guess next time I'll take a picture of their insurance disc?

In the OP's situation....he doesn't have the insurance details. All he has on video is the car reg number. That's why he needs the Gardai as only the Gardai can find out the driver details. Once the Gardai contact the driver, they will advise the driver to get in touch with the OP. IF the OP had a photo of the nsurance disc, he could deal directly with the insurance company.

BillyBobBS

I'd be very surprised if the Gardai are interested in this.

07Lapierre

BillyBobBS wrote: »

I'd be very surprised if the Gardai are interested in this.

See post #27

Wishbone Ash

Del2005 wrote: »

Because you need to inform the Gardaf any Road Traffic Incidents....

You are only obliged to report an accident where a person/persons have been injured. There is no requirement to report a material damages accident (unless the accident scene itself is a danger or causing an obstruction).

wonski

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

You are only obliged to report an accident where a person/persons have been injured. There is no requirement to report a material damages accident (unless the accident scene itself is a danger or causing an obstruction).

You do have to report property damage, though.

While not directly to Gardai, you do have to do it if you can't report it to the owner.

Gumbo

Similar happened my mate last year.
Here’s what happened.

He had the car on cctv hitting his car and driving off.
He went to Garda station and told car with reg number xxx hit his car and left the scene.
The guards went to the xxx registered address and told the owner he is on cctv hitting another car and leaving the scene of an accident.
Told him to contact my mate to arrange resolution or face charges of leaving the scene.
My mate got the call and the offender coughed up.

At no stage did the guards tell my mate the details of the other owner. The Garda contacted him directly and gave him my mates number.

ted1

Lantus wrote: »

Hibrasil wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong - but leaving the scene on accident applies to public roads (the road traffic acts) - a private car park is not a public road I would think!

Exactly this. They hit a car and left without notifying the other owner or exchanging details. No different to legging it after an accident.

I don’t think this would classify as an accident. A minor bump but nothing this a court would classify as an accident

DaveyDave

07Lapierre wrote: »

In the OP's situation....he doesn't have the insurance details. All he has on video is the car reg number. That's why he needs the Gardai as only the Gardai can find out the driver details. Once the Gardai contact the driver, they will advise the driver to get in touch with the OP. IF the OP had a photo of the nsurance disc, he could deal directly with the insurance company.

I understand, what I don't understand is why the Gardai have to ask permission to pass it on? If they make a report, have proof etc they're surely not making it up. Hit and run driver could just say no?

Del2005

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

You are only obliged to report an accident where a person/persons have been injured. There is no requirement to report a material damages accident (unless the accident scene itself is a danger or causing an obstruction).

You need to call the Gardaí if there's an injury, you still need to report an RTI to the Gardaí if there's no injury.

If there is no Garda present, the accident must be reported as soon as possible to a Garda who is nearby or at a Garda station.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/motoring_1/motor_accidents.html

i57dwun4yb1pt8

up date :


i have the other partys insurance details - have raised a claim against these

- my car has been assessed and price for repair agreed with my garage

waiting for their insurance to give go ahead -
have sent them dash copy file showing the hitters car / including their car reg / and my car moving on impact.

and pictures of the damage including paint that matches the hitters car color.

FranklinMint

How does the op see his premium rise when he gets hit by another car?

Some posters here saying that happens

Alanstrainor

DaDumTish wrote: »

up date :


i have the other partys insurance details - have raised a claim against these

- my car has been assessed and price for repair agreed with my garage

waiting for their insurance to give go ahead -
have sent them dash copy file showing the hitters car / including their car reg / and my car moving on impact.

and pictures of the damage including paint that matches the hitters car color.

So I presume this was resolved by contacting your own insurance company and giving them the details (reg) of the other car?