BDGP selection

KatyMac

See you can select your animals for DNA testing now.
I had to change 2 of mine as I plan on selling fairly soon after herd test. It was strangely easy to do!

patsy_mccabe

I had to change one of mine as it's dead. :cool:

Zr105

Deferred ours last year and still had to change some. Saw it by chance last night and deferred it again, calvings only starting and hoping to have some 4/5star heifers out of this lot so want to tag them rather than some of the beef animals they had selected that won’t be here by the time tags arrive.

patsy_mccabe

How do you defer? Do you have to ring them?
I dont see anything on the letter they sent about deferring.

tanko

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

How do you defer? Do you have to ring them?
I dont see anything on the letter they sent about deferring.

You can ring them i think or you can click the defer box on icbf.com if you have herd-plus.

Lady Haywire

You don't even need herdplus. Log onto the ICBF website and go to the heading Services, then BD & GP like below.


Then you'll see this box with Genotype Information and click on the Self-Selection link. I ccan't show the next bit as we've not enough born yet to be able to select different ones but you should be able to figure it out! The defer button is fairly easy to spot too.

Zr105

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

How do you defer? Do you have to ring them?
I dont see anything on the letter they sent about deferring.

As lady haywire said you have to do it on icbf website. You need to be on the desktop version if logging in off a phone to do it. When you go onto the self selection tab the deferral button is more or less 2/3 of the way over the page in the little bit of writing at the top, click it and it’ll defer you until the 2nd of April

croot

Cheers for that reminder. I deferred mine because half were bulls and I don't want to waste money genotyping bull calves that will be gone in a few months.

jfh

croot wrote: »

Cheers for that reminder. I deferred mine because half were bulls and I don't want to waste money genotyping bull calves that will be gone in a few months.

Did the same, found I was genotyping females last year that I had no intention of breeding from, just to make the reference number

bogman_bass

I bought a couple of heifer calves with no recorded sires so testing them in the hope of finding out who their daddy is

anthony500_1

What happens if you buy something in, test it, and find out previous owner registered the mother/father wrong does it draw trouble on the original owner, myself or is there just no consequences. Not in the scheme but if I sold one registered in the wrong would there be any fall back on me???

Hard Knocks

bogman_bass wrote: »

I bought a couple of heifer calves with no recorded sires so testing them in the hope of finding out who their daddy is

Order a genomic test, if there’s something on the database
Even if they can’t find the daddy, we’ve a tested cow with unknown sire & €180 value

Hard Knocks

anthony500_1 wrote: »

What happens if you buy something in, test it, and find out previous owner registered the mother/father wrong does it draw trouble on the original owner, myself or is there just no consequences. Not in the scheme but if I sold one registered in the wrong would there be any fall back on me???

Don’t think there’s any comeback, we’d a good few with wrong sires.
PB would be a different story

Should you not try to be as accurate as possible, even if it is the neighbors bull

bogman_bass

Hard Knocks wrote: »

bogman_bass wrote: »

I bought a couple of heifer calves with no recorded sires so testing them in the hope of finding out who their daddy is

Order a genomic test, if there’s something on the database
Even if they can’t find the daddy, we’ve a tested cow with unknown sire & €180 value

But I get it done for free this way

croot

anthony500_1 wrote: »

What happens if you buy something in, test it, and find out previous owner registered the mother/father wrong does it draw trouble on the original owner, myself or is there just no consequences. Not in the scheme but if I sold one registered in the wrong would there be any fall back on me???

Happened to me. No consequence for the original owner but for me a three star cow that dropped from 5*. In fairness it was before the screens in the mart were put in. If you bought one that was declared as five star because of the sire and then was found not to be I'd say you can demand a refund because the animal was not as advertised.

patsy_mccabe

I bought a PB Lim cow in the local mart. Only announced as Purebred and in calf. Got her genotyped and her stars dropped as her sire was wrong on her cert. Both her sire and originally listed sire were both Dovea bulls. She's softening up to calf again at the moment.

Never wrestle with pigs

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Order a genomic test, if there’s something on the database
Even if they can’t find the daddy, we’ve a tested cow with unknown sire & €180 value

Same, bought a lovely second calver last year, limxsim, she had no stars. No sire recorded. I tested her and she came back at €170 and %25 montbeliarde. She has loads of milk and puts plenty into the calf. Quiet as s lamb.

anthony500_1

Hard Knocks wrote:

Should you not try to be as accurate as possible, even if it is the neighbors bull

100%agree with you. It was not me. I was buying one off farm that the owner was open about and told me she was wrong, had two calf's born the same day, out of two different Al bulls and got them back to front. I still bought her as she was a craicing weanling. I'm not in icbf or bdgp, so it doesn't make a hole lot of difference to me, it was just if I was selling her on again I was wondering about consequences for original farmer if someone got her gernomic tested

tanko

I changed all of mine to bullocks and heifers i'll be selling later this year and not do the heifers i'll be keeping for replacements. I'll have a reserve of heifers to genotype built up for future years if i cut back cow numbers.

charolais0153

tanko wrote: »

I changed all of mine to bullocks and heifers i'll be selling later this year and not do the heifers i'll be keeping for replacements. I'll have a reserve of heifers to genotype built up for future years if i cut back cow numbers.

How many are you palnning on getting out of in the next 2 years?

tanko

Not planning on cutting back but sure you never know what might go wrong or happen.
Just think its no harm to have as many animals as possible for genotyping.

patsy_mccabe

Jusr deferred mine there till 2 April.

Bitten & Hisses

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Order a genomic test, if there’s something on the database
Even if they can’t find the daddy, we’ve a tested cow with unknown sire & €180 value

Same, bought a lovely second calver last year, limxsim, she had no stars. No sire recorded. I tested her and she came back at €170 and %25 montbeliarde. She has loads of milk and puts plenty into the calf. Quiet as s lamb.

Limousin x Montbeliarde is one of the best suckler cows you could have. They'd calve anything and have loads of milk.

patsy_mccabe

Bitten & Hisses wrote: »

Limousin x Montbeliarde is one of the best suckler cows you could have. They'd calve anything and have loads of milk.

+1
Have one here. Everything you'd want in a suckler cow.

charolais0153

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

+1
Have one here. Everything you'd want in a suckler cow.

Have one here. Cracked,bad calf, poor milk...
Might not be representative though

Say my name

Bitten & Hisses wrote: »

Limousin x Montbeliarde is one of the best suckler cows you could have. They'd calve anything and have loads of milk.

I'm still getting badgered by my farm supplies salesman here to buy a lim bull for the cows. I sold him 5 lim x Monty/montyx red heifer calves 10 years ago.
Calving ease and gestation are the only things stopping me going back.

farming101

Sorry to jump in here lads but does anyone know the how accurate the predicted starts are compared to actual? I sent samples away at end of November and genomic eval still isn't complete. When I generate reports on the website it has only DNA received beside ones that were sampled. Looking to sell a few heifers and obviously don't want to get rid of 4/5 star stock. Can anyone give me an estimate on how long the whole process takes? Thaanks

tanko

farming101 wrote: »

Sorry to jump in here lads but does anyone know the how accurate the predicted starts are compared to actual? I sent samples away at end of November and genomic eval still isn't complete. When I generate reports on the website it has only DNA received beside ones that were sampled. Looking to sell a few heifers and obviously don't want to get rid of 4/5 star stock. Can anyone give me an estimate on how long the whole process takes? Thaanks

The predicted stars will be much the same as the actual stars as long as the dam and sire of the heifer stays the same.
The DNA testing just confirms the heifers ancestry. I wouldnt rely totally on the stars when picking which ones you're going to keep. Use your own knowledge of them and how you think theyll turn out also.

farming101

Thanks tanko! I am all for science to help improve farming but to be honest Im a little skeptical of the whole thing. Some of my best performing cows are only rated 3 stars whilst it seems anything from a dairy background are 5 stars.

High bike

farming101 wrote: »

Thanks tanko! I am all for science to help improve farming but to be honest Im a little skeptical of the whole thing. Some of my best performing cows are only rated 3 stars whilst it seems anything from a dairy background are 5 stars.

Everyone's in the same boat, but if u enlist u have to soldier on

Buford T. Justice XIX

farming101 wrote: »

Thanks tanko! I am all for science to help improve farming but to be honest Im a little skeptical of the whole thing. Some of my best performing cows are only rated 3 stars whilst it seems anything from a dairy background are 5 stars.

That's due to milk in the background. There's a huge weighing put on milk as it's the biggest driver of calf growth rates

patsy_mccabe

Here's a PB limousin bull I have here. His figures look great. 5 stars for most things. Only problem is he is narrow. You can see this on his linear values. This will come against him big time and shows just how limited these stars are in real life.

Hard Knocks

farming101 wrote: »

Sorry to jump in here lads but does anyone know the how accurate the predicted starts are compared to actual? I sent samples away at end of November and genomic eval still isn't complete. When I generate reports on the website it has only DNA received beside ones that were sampled. Looking to sell a few heifers and obviously don't want to get rid of 4/5 star stock. Can anyone give me an estimate on how long the whole process takes? Thaanks

The results will be in the next star run in May

Never wrestle with pigs

farming101 wrote: »

Thanks tanko! I am all for science to help improve farming but to be honest Im a little skeptical of the whole thing. Some of my best performing cows are only rated 3 stars whilst it seems anything from a dairy background are 5 stars.

If you prefer the 3 star ones from their dams performance keep them. Use 5 star bulls on them and their reliability will slowly climb and you'll have 5 star stock from them.

Bellview

farming101 wrote:

Thanks tanko! I am all for science to help improve farming but to be honest Im a little skeptical of the whole thing. Some of my best performing cows are only rated 3 stars whilst it seems anything from a dairy background are 5 stars.

Keep drawing the money as I see a lot of issues at the end of the scheme. Folks will miss 50 percent criteria but they will be able to point to bulls used that were 5 star and are now lower being the reason for the miss.. also will be tough to reclaim money from farmer as this scheme is ring fenced..

tanko

I see theres a BDGP eligibility report on ICBF showing how things stand at this stage.

Seanhorse91

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Here's a PB limousin bull I have here. His figures look great. 5 stars for most things. Only problem is he is narrow. You can see this on his linear values. This will come against him big time and shows just how limited these stars are in real life.

Very true patsy. What way is that bull bred as a matter of Intrest? My guess is Zag😅

High bike

tanko wrote: »

I see theres a BDGP eligibility report on ICBF showing how things stand at this stage.

i see that tanko and if I was confused before I’m really in the dark now:mad:

patsy_mccabe

Seanhorse91 wrote: »

Very true patsy. What way is that bull bred as a matter of Intrest? My guess is Zag��

No, OKH.

tanko

High bike wrote: »

i see that tanko and if I was confused before I’m really in the dark now:mad:

Which bits are you unsure about?
Once you have at least the 20% requirement in October, enough animals to tag for genotyping and use a 4/5 star stock bull or 4/5 star Ai bulls on 80% of your herd you’ll be ok for this year.

Bellview

High bike wrote:

i see that tanko and if I was confused before I’m really in the dark now

The calculation of percentage eligible is flawed as assumes every female in ghe herd I including calves so only a guide at best not anything absolute

High bike

tanko wrote: »

Which bits are you unsure about?
Once you have at least the 20% requirement in October, enough animals to tag for genotyping and use a 4/5 star stock bull or 4/5 star Ai bulls on 80% of your herd you’ll be ok for this year.

im fine for all that well over quota it's the fact that it varies so much from the eurostars report that I got only a month ago

tanko

Anyone know when the genomic tags are being sent out, i cant remember when it was last year.

annubis

tanko wrote: »

Anyone know when the genomic tags are being sent out, i cant remember when it was last year.

got mine today from cormac tagging, definitely a good bit earlier than i got them last year

Bellview

I have a cow that when she was genomic tested she came back with 95 euro...she has since moved down to 72euro...does anyone know how this happens as I thought once they had a genomic sample taken then this is accurate... she is appearing on the eligibility report as 5 star eventhough she is now a 3 star... confusion

bogman_bass

Genomic data isn't the be all and end all. It's just an extra slice of the pie

Bellview

bogman_bass wrote:

Genomic data isn't the be all and end all. It's just an extra slice of the pie

Maybe but since the grant is dependant on the results it a the financial piece of the pie. I would be ok if on test they found a number and then stick with it...but here I have a genomic result that is now changed....as far as I can see only thing genomic does is confirms parentage and nothing else..

Lady Haywire

Has her calving interval slipped? Or maybe her last calves didn't KO very well. That's all I can think of.

Bellview

Lady Haywire wrote:

Has her calving interval slipped? Or maybe her last calves didn't KO very well. That's all I can think of.

First calver...her calf is under 6 months so she has had no opportunity to mess up yet...God help her if she slips in calving... she is back in calf and will calf within 365 days...but I don't expect any uplift from icbf as our place is under 365 on average and I don't see any benefit in the stars

charolais0153

Got the tags for it today from cormac

High bike

charolais0153 wrote: »

Got the tags for it today from cormac

still waiting here and herd test in 2 weeks would be handy to get em before then