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Potluck

Just been envolved in a crash. I was driving through a village and I intended to park on the road side to my left. I was indicating left but there was no space so I flicked on my indicator to the right and quickly turned to park on the opposite side of the road. A van ran into the back off me as I was turning, he was intending to over take me. There was a lot of damage to his van. I did not take fully responsibility at the road side or to the Garda because I think the van driver was speeding. Point of contact on my car was drivers side rear quarter panel (corner of bumper) what would you do? How could speeding be proved? Not sure what to do

easygoing1982

Potluck wrote: »

Just been envolved in a crash. I was driving through a village and I intended to park on the road side to my left. I was indicating left but there was no space so I flicked on my indicator to the right and quickly turned to park on the opposite side of the road. A van ran into the back off me as I was turning, he was intending to over take me. There was a lot of damage to his van. I did not take fully responsibility at the road side or to the Garda because I think the van driver was speeding. Point of contact on my car was drivers side rear quarter panel (corner of bumper) what would you do? How could speeding be proved? Not sure what to do

Officially it looks like the van driver was wrong. Morally you were wrong. You indicated left. Did you not look in your mirror when you quickly turned. If I see a car indicating to the left, I check if the road ahead is clear and I go to overtake.

The Specialist

Potluck wrote: »

Just been envolved in a crash. I was driving through a village and I intended to park on the road side to my left. I was indicating left but there was no space so I flicked on my indicator to the right and quickly turned to park on the opposite side of the road. A van ran into the back off me as I was turning, he was intending to over take me. There was a lot of damage to his van. I did not take fully responsibility at the road side or to the Garda because I think the van driver was speeding. Point of contact on my car was drivers side rear quarter panel (corner of bumper) what would you do? How could speeding be proved? Not sure what to do

It's not a question of speeding. Did you check your mirrors before the quick right turn?
Vehicle behind would have rightly assumed you were going left.

odyssey06

The van should not have trusted your indicator... if you hadnt started to turn then it was foolish of them to execute a maneuver based on your signal. I am assuming you didnt vary from lane.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

So the van was overtaking in the village? Have you a google maps link to the place in question? We need to know more.

Sounds like you were in the wrong tbf but insurance company might see it differently.

Richard tea

It's this type of driving that injures or kills motorcyclists. The van driver will be found at fault but you caused the crash op.

CeilingFly

How can the van driver be at fault? - Op indicated left to enter a hoped for parking space on left, then suddenly without consideration to any other motorists changed mind, indicated right and crossed over.

The van was overtaking correctly. That the van may have been over the speed limit is neither here nor there as it was the action of the op that was the primary cause of the crash.

Del2005

Potluck wrote: »

Just been envolved in a crash. I was driving through a village and I intended to park on the road side to my left. I was indicating left but there was no space so I flicked on my indicator to the right and quickly turned to park on the opposite side of the road. A van ran into the back off me as I was turning, he was intending to over take me. There was a lot of damage to his van. I did not take fully responsibility at the road side or to the Garda because I think the van driver was speeding. Point of contact on my car was drivers side rear quarter panel (corner of bumper) what would you do? How could speeding be proved? Not sure what to do

Inform your insurance company and let them sort it out.

tcawley29

Never trust another driver's indicators

This is something I learned in my first driving lesson

CeilingFly

Also think what you are saying.

The van was speeding, but you didn't see the van!

So if you didn't see the van, how could you have the reason that it was speeding?

artanevilla

Just tell your side of the story to insurance and let them worry about the rest.

No one was hurt, shït happens, this is why we have insurance.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

CeilingFly wrote: »

How can the van driver be at fault? - Op indicated left to enter a hoped for parking space on left, then suddenly without consideration to any other motorists changed mind, indicated right and crossed over.

The van was overtaking correctly. That the van may have been over the speed limit is neither here nor there as it was the action of the op that was the primary cause of the crash.

In the eyes of an insurance company would be my thinking.

Personally from the way OP described it I think they are in the wrong.

OldMrBrennan83

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Old Perry

Was the van driver fortunate enough to have dash cam?

khaldrogo

If this is how you drive normally and the type of mindset you have then I suggest you take the bus from now on

I got taken out on my bike by an idiot like you years ago.

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Mongfinder General

Were you completely on the left hand side of the road when the impact occurred or had you crossed the unbroken white line? It was unbroken, right?

jacksie66

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Potluck

10 years driving with no accidents I always check my mirrors. But visibility was bad due to weather conditions. I did not see the van. I am not sure was the driver speeding, I think he may have been due to the damage to his van and the sound of the skidding. The line was broken. I was completely over the line and almost parked at the time of impact. Gaurds could not believe how bad the damage to his van was

oleras

khaldrogo wrote: »

If this is how you drive normally and the type of mindset you have then I suggest you take the bus from now on

I got taken out on my bike by an idiot like you years ago.

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How can you turn on your indicator twice ?

dmc17

Potluck wrote: »

I was indicating left but there was no space so I flicked on my indicator to the right and quickly turned to park on the opposite side of the road.

Have you ever wondered why they were called 'indicators'? Is it:

a) A means of legally covering oneself in the event of carrying out an unexpected action
b) A confirmation that you are already in the process of completing an unexpected action such as turning off of a road
c) A means of indicating intent in advance to other drivers, so as to give them a chance to prepare and react to the impending situation

Ursummupet

dmc17 wrote: »

Have you ever wondered why they were called 'indicators'? Is it:

a) A means of legally covering oneself in the event of carrying out an unexpected action
b) A confirmation that you are already in the process of completing an unexpected action such as turning off of a road
c) A means of indicating intent in advance to other drivers, so as to give them a chance to prepare and react to the impending situation

Why obviously a).

Cost me a car in a similar situation to that van driver where the car in front of me changed his mind from left to right whilst I was overtaking him .swerved to avoid him and totalled it against a wall on the right side of the road. He was totally wrong but it cost me the bones of 20k.

aido79

This is why there needs to be a law brought in so people can't park in the opposite direction to the flow of traffic like they have in other countries. This would stop these kind of accidents.
It also allows traffic to flow better because people aren't trying to drive out in front of other cars when pulling out of a parking space.

jelutong

I hope the driver of the van is not following this thread. God forbid that someone tips him off.

jaxxx

tcawley29 wrote: »

Never trust another driver's indicators

This is something I learned in my first driving lesson

Never trust another driver period. Indicators, turning, roundabouts, etc. Always assume they're gonna do wrong. I'm driving 10 years since I was 18 and touch wood have not been involved in anything and I put that down to the above.

jaxxx

oleras wrote: »

How can you turn on your indicator twice ?

Must be a Dothraki thing.

Eoinbmw

Op you should delete this thread!

jacksie66

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oleras

jaxxx wrote: »

Must be a Dothraki thing.

Horses for courses.

oleras

jacksie66 wrote: »

That's the law in New Zealand. I nearly got done for it when I first landed there.

Same for planes as well ?

Odyssey 2005

jelutong wrote: »

I hope the driver of the van is not following this thread. God forbid that someone tips him off.

Hope he is...

the_syco

Potluck wrote: »

I was indicating left but there was no space so I flicked on my indicator to the right and quickly turned to park on the opposite side of the road. A van ran into the back off me as I was turning

Hope he a dash cam!

Stuckforcash

Did this happen in a 50km zone?

No excuse to be running into someone unless you pulled out the second he was overtaking. You mention skidding from brakes, sounds like he was speeding or not paying attention.

the_pen_turner

its hard to lay blame without seeing it and the timing.
by the sounds of it the OP didn't make sure the other lane was safe to enter before changing lanes.


timing is key here.

RandomAccess

oleras wrote: »

How can you turn on your indicator twice ?

Well the OP did!!

Tenigate

Which side of the road was he on?

If he was on the right hand side and you drove in front of him, you'd 100% be in the wrong

aido79

jacksie66 wrote: »

That's the law in New Zealand. I nearly got done for it when I first landed there.

Same in Australia. I got fined for it when I first arrived and learned my lesson.

aido79

Tenigate wrote: »

Which side of the road was he on?

If he was on the right hand side and you drove in front of him, you'd 100% be in the wrong

Read the OP again...

the_syco

the_syco wrote: »

Hope he a dash cam!

Dash can or not the van will be found at fault.
I know because it happened to me.
They said "he caused it but you hit him" and paid him 2500e for a bumper without fighting it.

Tenigate

aido79 wrote: »

Read the OP again...

Read it. Sounds odd.

aido79

Tenigate wrote: »

Read it. Sounds odd.

Read it again. It would be impossible for an oncoming car to hit a car turning right in the rear driver's side.

lawred2

CeilingFly wrote: »

How can the van driver be at fault? - Op indicated left to enter a hoped for parking space on left, then suddenly without consideration to any other motorists changed mind, indicated right and crossed over.

The van was overtaking correctly. That the van may have been over the speed limit is neither here nor there as it was the action of the op that was the primary cause of the crash.

The fault almost always lies with the following vehicle in the eyes of the insurance company

Despite the rather terrible careless driving described by the op

Canis Lupus

Sucks for everyone involved but in fairness OP despite the fact that you're likely to get away with it it does sound like you caused the crash. At least no one was harmed. As mentioned already if that had been a motorcyclist he/she could have been seriously hurt, bear that in mind the next time you suddenly change your mind on what direction you want to go.

JohnBoy26

khaldrogo wrote: »

If this is how you drive normally and the type of mindset you have then I suggest you take the bus from now on

I got taken out on my bike by an idiot like you years ago.

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It's actually mirror, signal, mirror, manoeuvre

khaldrogo

khaldrogo wrote: »

If this is how you drive normally and the type of mindset you have then I suggest you take the bus from now on

I got taken out on my bike by an idiot like you years ago.

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Look first imo before doing any indicating. Also that makes no sense, indicate twice??

aido79 wrote: »

This is why there needs to be a law brought in so people can't park in the opposite direction to the flow of traffic like they have in other countries. This would stop these kind of accidents.
It also allows traffic to flow better because people aren't trying to drive out in front of other cars when pulling out of a parking space.

I took it that the op was doing a 360 and parking facing with traffic, in any case I see nothing wrong with parking in the opposite direction of traffic, id see a rule against it as being totally over the top. Inability to drive would be the only reason a person couldnt do it safely.

Lantus

The insurance will decide and general policy is that a driver who goes into the back of another pays out.

Had a similar incident by a friend where the car in front indicated left but pulled into the right lane and slowed as if parking on right. As he passed he swung left across the road and caused a massive amount of damage to both cars. Friend found 100% at fault for driving into him.

CeilingFly

lawred2 wrote: »

The fault almost always lies with the following vehicle in the eyes of the insurance company

Despite the rather terrible careless driving described by the op

From the op it seems the van was overtaking a car that had slowed down with left indicator on and the car suddenly and without warning crossed over to the other side of the road impeding the van's proper and legal overtaking manoeuvre.

Sorry, car driver is in wrong based on information provided.

OldMrBrennan83

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mattser

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

It's actually mirror, signal, mirror, manoeuvre

Now now, don't dare argue with a cyclist. Anyone who does is an ' idiot'.

everlast75

tcawley29 wrote: »

Never trust another driver's indicators

This is something I learned in my first driving lesson

It's an indication of where they 'might go', not where they 'will go'

aido79

Andy Big Radio wrote: »

Look first imo before doing any indicating. Also that makes no sense, indicate twice??



I took it that the op was doing a 360 and parking facing with traffic, in any case I see nothing wrong with parking in the opposite direction of traffic, id see a rule against it as being totally over the top. Inability to drive would be the only reason a person couldnt do it safely.

The OP indicated right at the last minute attempting to park against traffic on the opposite side of the road. In a lot of countries this would be seen as bad driving and they would be completely at fault. In Ireland the insurance company will probably pay out in his favour.

Having seen how well it works when everyone parks in the direction traffic is moving I think it's lunacy to park against traffic especially in situations where you have to stop traffic moving in both directions to get of a parking space.

Fann Linn

Terrible. The op knows he didn't take full responsibility at the side of the road and is prepared to let the other guy take the fall. Btw, a car is allowed overtake a vehicle if its turning left provided there is no continuous white line.