Chartered Engineer 2018

So, anyone else looking to submit their Chartership Report this year for Engineers Ireland? I've drafted my report and essays and am awaiting feedback on them from my supporters.

Does anyone have any advice for what to do/what not to do when seeking Chartership?

godtabh

The one piece of advice I would give is that if you get to the interview stage you are sorted. It isnt a job interview you are going for. There isnt 500 candidates going for one job. If 500 candidates are at CEng standard 500 candidates will be awarded CEng status. So prepare for the interview like it was a job interview but on the day relax and realize that it is just a review of your report.

PM me your email address and I'll sort you out

EngIreland

Spoke with Roseanne in our membership department who deals with Chartered Engineer applications and she had a few tips (which you may already be aware of )

Hope they help and do not be afraid to give her a bell on 01 665 1300 if you have any further questions.

• Make sure you read all the information thoroughly in the Regulations and Guidance Notes. Ensure your report contains every element required. If you are thinking of doing something different to the regulations, please contact her asap.
• Give your supporters enough time to read the report and allow them enough time to originally sign it. One copy of the report needs to be originally signed.
  

• Application needs be submitted on or before the 25 January at 5pm.
  

• Get a fresh pair of eyes on your application by getting someone else to check spelling, grammar and syntax. The assessors are very strict on it. They need to ensure that the report is written using the first person singular and that you provide examples of your significant engineering work.
  
  
• Do not submit a report over the word count or not signed by your supporters as it will be returned to you immediately.

• If your report contains pictures or drawings, they need to go into the appendix at the back and the appendix should not exceed six pages.

I received an e-mail from Engineers Ireland yesterday on this. Thought this info might be good for any people looking at chartership this year:

You may be interested in applying for the Registered Professional Title of Chartered Engineer. If you are interested in applying, the 2013 deadlines for applications under the current regulations are 25 January 2013, and 28 June 2013.

For further information on how to apply please visit:

http://www.engineersireland.ie/membership/registered-titles/chartered.aspx

So, everyone set to apply by tomorrow? Have everything sorted but just need the reports bound (and the cheque!).

godtabh

Nothing like the last minute panic!

Are they allowing soft copy submissions? they did last year but it was a fiasco

Sparks

Dónal wrote: »

So, everyone set to apply by tomorrow?

Ask me in a few hours
EPR over 3500 words, check.
Essay 1, check.
Essay 2, nyaaaaaaa but I'll have it done.

Binding. There's a machine around here someplace....

Cheque... waitaminute, cheque??? Feck's sake, I've never even had a chequebook. They'd better be okay with cash or visa

EngIreland

Credit cards will be accepted as payment when you submit your application.
We can take your details over the phone also.

Alas we are not accepting soft copies of applications, hard copy only please.

godtabh

EngIreland wrote: »

Credit cards will be accepted as payment when you submit your application.
We can take your details over the phone also.

Alas we are not accepting soft copies of applications, hard copy only please.

Why not? Surely its not a complicated thing to do?

Sparks

EngIreland wrote: »

Credit cards will be accepted as payment when you submit your application.
We can take your details over the phone also.

Excellent!

EngIreland

@godtabh - We are looking at our IT Infrastructure following our system failing last year and it will be put in place for future applications but it wasn't possible to have it ready for tomorrow.

budhabob

How many on average apply at each deadline? Just curious really.

I intend applying soon, possibly for the summer deadline.

EngIreland

EngIreland wrote: »

Credit cards will be accepted as payment when you submit your application.
We can take your details over the phone also.

Alas we are not accepting soft copies of applications, hard copy only please.

Oh right, so I don't have to send a soft copy of it at all? That's a bit disappointing, I've spend ages putting together different scanned pages!

godtabh

budhabob wrote: »

How many on average apply at each deadline? Just curious really.

I intend applying soon, possibly for the summer deadline.

At the last CEng briefing I went to they mentioned roughly 250 per session ie Jan and July. It sky rocketed for a couple of years

EngIreland

@Donal - apologies for any confusion. I meant to infer that no soft copies on their own can be accepted. It has to be a hard copy application with soft copy included as back up.

EngIreland

EngIreland wrote: »

@Donal - apologies for any confusion. I meant to infer that no soft copies on their own can be accepted. It has to be a hard copy application with soft copy included as back up.

Excellent, thanks for the clarification. Final question - what email address do I send it to?

To answer my own question for anyone else reading this - I rang Engineers Ireland and they advised that I should keep it handy (and backed up!) and to submit it electronically only if they request it.

Sparks

Done!
/legs it to the print office to bind up and the car for clyde road....

Sparks

...and made it with 28 whole minutes to spare and I think I was the last one in before the deadline

Sparks

Sparks wrote: »

...and made it with 28 whole minutes to spare and I think I was the last one in before the deadline

I was chatting to the lady taking the reports, she said every year they have panicked people calling near five saying they are stuck on the M50.

Congrats on getting it in by the way!

Sparks

Yeah, they thought they'd have a few stuck in the rain and traffic today allright. Somewhere around 80 submissions today though according to the ladies manning the desk taking the applications in.

godtabh

Sparks wrote: »

Yeah, they thought they'd have a few stuck in the rain and traffic today allright. Somewhere around 80 submissions today though according to the ladies manning the desk taking the applications in.

That seems low. I did mine in 2009 and there was over 200 applications. Took me ages to get my interview (i also had to turn down the first 2 for college exames/holidays which didnt help!)

Pre bust times I think the average was 60-80 applications for session. Then people had time on their hand and that figure soared

godtabh

godtabh wrote: »

That seems low. I did mine in 2009 and there was over 200 applications. Took me ages to get my interview (i also had to turn down the first 2 for college exames/holidays which didnt help!)

Pre bust times I think the average was 60-80 applications for session. Then people had time on their hand and that figure soared

I'm wondering if they have reached a stable figure now - I'm 5 and a bit years out and I applied this year, so I started work in 2007 basically at the peak of it all. As chartership is seen as more a Civil thing (rightly or wrongly) and given the reduced numbers working in this country in construction, maybe 80 is the normal figure again for a post Celtic Tiger Ireland.

Sparks

godtabh wrote: »

That seems low. I did mine in 2009 and there was over 200 applications.

I thought, from the way she said it, that she meant they'd had 80 applications just that day alone. Could have been wrong though...

godtabh

Sparks wrote: »

I thought, from the way she said it, that she meant they'd had 80 applications just that day alone. Could have been wrong though...

Could be. I think the peak for one year was close to 300 but maybe now they are at 160 now

Dear Applicant,

I refer to your application for a professional title with Engineers Ireland.

Your Engineering Practice Report has now been assessed and we are pleased to inform you that you have been approved to progress to the Professional Interview stage of the Review.

Cool.

Sparks

Dónal wrote: »

Cool.

Congrats!

lolly2345

Hi there,

I also submitted my report in January this year and got notification that I will be called for interview.

I'm wondering does anyone have any tips or guidance (I have read the regulations and guidance notes numerous times) on the type of questions that might be asked at interview? I know they will be specific to the particular field (I'm in highways / project management), but even an indication would be great. And I understand they ask about industry developments, ethics and things like that, does anyone have any idea of the type of slant these questions would take?

Do people generally bring something in to talk through during their 10 minute presentation? I was thinking about doing Powerpoint slides and printing them out, would this be advised?

A lot of people say once you get through to interview you are sure to pass unless you mess it up....but I would rather not be in that small minority!!

Any advice gratefully accepted! Cheers

godtabh

You arent sure to pass once you've been asked to interview. If you can demonstrate that what you have written in your report is actually your experience and you can verbalise it you should be fine.

I'm doing interview prep with a few clients and something that has come up with nearly all of them. They are getting cocky

budhabob

Hi All,

I plan on submitting my submission in January 2014 as I have too much on this year, so giving myself a decent run in to the submission date.

Can someone give a rough indication of timelines from submission date, to call for interview, to interview, to response?

Its more so just to plan out my timings.

Thanks in advance,

Rob

budhabob

budhabob wrote: »

Hi All,

I plan on submitting my submission in January 2014 as I have too much on this year, so giving myself a decent run in to the submission date.

Can someone give a rough indication of timelines from submission date, to call for interview, to interview, to response?

Its more so just to plan out my timings.

Thanks in advance,

Rob

Hi Rob,

For the January 2013 deadline, my timeframe was as follows:

December 2012 - Report drafting stage. Pull together all training records (can take some time if you haven't been keeping your own records). Draft the essays and the IPD section. Contact your supporters.

End December 2012 (before Christmas break) - Issue first draft of report to supporters for their review.

Early January 2013 - Remind supporters who probably won't have read your report over the Christmas break.

Mid January 2013 - Receive comments from supporters. Amend report. Re-read report. Give report to proof readers (spelling, grammar etc.). Redraft.

End January 2013 (up to deadline day) - Reissue report to supporters for their records, and get them to sign the originals, and drop into Engineers Ireland to formally submit the four versions of the report (one original, 3 copies, all bound). I had one supporter now based in Australia but Engineers Ireland were fine with me sending in a scanned and printed copy of their signed report for the 27th January 2013. I sent in the original signed version when it arrived in the post a few weeks later.

Start February 2013 - Give bottle of something nice to your supporters if Irish based or a package filled with tayto/king/hotlips/wheelies/snax if they are Australia based.

End February 2013 (roughly) - Receive word whether you have been approved for Interview stage.

Interview stage (2013 dates only):

Dublin (to include Dublin, GB, Overseas, North East, Midlands & South East): Various – up until end of June
Mallow (to include Cork, Thomond and An Riocht): 16 & 17 May 2013
Galway (to include West and North West): 23 & 24 May 2013
Belfast (to include Donegal & Northern): 13 & 14 June 2013

Haven't prepared for the Interview stage yet as I haven't received a date of when it will be yet! It's worth stating that the entire drafting/review/supporters comments stage could easily be compressed into less than two weeks (it is only about a 50-60 page report) but my experience was that getting comments back from supporters took the longest. Best to plan a good bit of time for that.

And of course when you're going for Chartership make sure to pay attention to the regulations in case anything changes between now and then.

Best of luck with it.

budhabob

Dónal wrote: »

Hi Rob,

For the January 2013 deadline, my timeframe was as follows:

December 2012 - Report drafting stage. Pull together all training records (can take some time if you haven't been keeping your own records). Draft the essays and the IPD section. Contact your supporters.

End December 2012 (before Christmas break) - Issue first draft of report to supporters for their review.

Early January 2013 - Remind supporters who probably won't have read your report over the Christmas break.

Mid January 2013 - Receive comments from supporters. Amend report. Re-read report. Give report to proof readers (spelling, grammar etc.). Redraft.

End January 2013 (up to deadline day) - Reissue report to supporters for their records, and get them to sign the originals, and drop into Engineers Ireland to formally submit the four versions of the report (one original, 3 copies, all bound). I had one supporter now based in Australia but Engineers Ireland were fine with me sending in a scanned and printed copy of their signed report for the 27th January 2013. I sent in the original signed version when it arrived in the post a few weeks later.

Start February 2013 - Give bottle of something nice to your supporters if Irish based or a package filled with tayto/king/hotlips/wheelies/snax if they are Australia based.

End February 2013 (roughly) - Receive word whether you have been approved for Interview stage.

Interview stage (2013 dates only):

Dublin (to include Dublin, GB, Overseas, North East, Midlands & South East): Various – up until end of June
Mallow (to include Cork, Thomond and An Riocht): 16 & 17 May 2013
Galway (to include West and North West): 23 & 24 May 2013
Belfast (to include Donegal & Northern): 13 & 14 June 2013

Haven't prepared for the Interview stage yet as I haven't received a date of when it will be yet! It's worth stating that the entire drafting/review/supporters comments stage could easily be compressed into less than two weeks (it is only about a 50-60 page report) but my experience was that getting comments back from supporters took the longest. Best to plan a good bit of time for that.

And of course when you're going for Chartership make sure to pay attention to the regulations in case anything changes between now and then.

Best of luck with it.

Thats for that REALLY detailed response. I greatly appreciate it.

I wasnt aware that the interviews would be so delayed from the report submission. Have my wedding to May 2014 but I'm sure there is plenty of flexibility for those kinds of things.

Thanks Again Dónal.

godtabh

budhabob wrote: »

Thats for that REALLY detailed response. I greatly appreciate it.

I wasnt aware that the interviews would be so delayed from the report submission. Have my wedding to May 2014 but I'm sure there is plenty of flexibility for those kinds of things.

Thanks Again Dónal.

I had to reshedule my interview 3 times.

One down to work
One down to MSc exams
One down to holidays

At the forth attempt I got there.

There is another in take in June this year. Maybe see if you can get that

budhabob

godtabh wrote: »

I had to reshedule my interview 3 times.

One down to work
One down to MSc exams
One down to holidays

At the forth attempt I got there.

There is another in take in June this year. Maybe see if you can get that

I have exams in April and May, so trying to prepare the report between now and then with work etc would be a nightmare and I wouldnt be able to do it justice. I'll start after the exams and target January next year as the deadline.

Thanks again for all the advice.

godtabh

I did my report while working full time (up to 50 hours aweek at the time), attending college part time and doing MSc exams and heavily involved in a local sports team. It is possible

Tar.Aldarion

So you have to work four years to apply or is that a recommendation?

What do the professional report + essays + interview involve?

budhabob

godtabh wrote: »

I did my report while working full time (up to 50 hours aweek at the time), attending college part time and doing MSc exams and heavily involved in a local sports team. It is possible

Anything is possible, but two sets of exams for two courses and work....dont see the point in killing myself more than I am already

We'll see might get a notion and start into it.....highly doubtful however

Tar.Aldarion

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

So you have to work four years to apply or is that a recommendation?

What do the professional report + essays + interview involve?

There's a good bit of information available here: http://www.engineersireland.ie/Membership/Registered-Titles/Chartered.aspx

Essentially you need an accredited degree with Engineers Ireland, 4 ish years experience, a record of your professional development, and you need to be a member of Engineers Ireland. I think you can apply with 3 years & accredited masters, but 4 years + is generally recommended. You also need at least 2 years to be working in a position of significant responsibility either in a team or by yourself. And you need to show how you have met all the competencies in the above link.

The report and the essays are your own experiences and opinions. The essays can be on a variety of themes such as 'Project Management', 'Health and Safety' etc. The interview, which I haven't done yet, is essentially you verbalising your report and your competencies. Can be an hour long, 10 minutes of which you give a presentation.

Full regulations & details are in the above link.

Just read this morning that they are changing the Chartered Engineer regulations for 2014, but people applying in June 2013 and January 2014 shouldn't be effected:

http://www.engineersjournal.ie/important-changes-ahead-for-chartered-engineers/

WHAT WILL CHANGE?

As a member of Engineers Ireland, it is important to be aware of a number of key changes within the new regulations for the registered professional title of chartered engineer. They are, in summary:

1. Revised competences: The regulations will have revised competences for a chartered engineer to include a deepening of skills within the areas of research and experimenting.

2. Assessment stages to the application process: The formation of a chartered engineer will be assessed in a two-step process, as opposed to one step currently. Applicants for the professional title will firstly submit evidence of their Phase 1 Educational Formation at master’s degree level or equivalent. On notification of their successful completion of Phase 1, they may submit evidence of their Phase 2 – Competence Development. This will be fully detailed in the new regulations.

3. Phase 1 – Educational Formation: Those who have completed an accredited master’s degree in engineering will need to submit their qualification for verification. A number of routes will also be detailed in full for those who have completed other educational formations and wish to have it assessed as equivalent to an accredited master’s degree. This will involve the submission of additional documentation; the regulations will detail both the evidence required and the assessment procedure of the equivalent educational formation. This includes details for those who have completed an accredited bachelor (honours) degree in engineering. There will be four pathway options to provide evidence of educational formation.

4. Phase 2 – Competence Development: The documentation requirements when applying for an assessment of a candidate’s competence development are changing following a review of best practice internationally and feedback from current applicants and peer reviewers. The new requirements involve a new style of writing evidence of competence and will be detailed in full in the new regulations.

5. E-applications: The chartered engineer application process will become an e-process, where applications will be completed and submitted online. Hard copies will be required when the candidate moves to the peer review interview stage.

6. Engineers who graduated pre-2013: If you qualified in 2012 or before from an accredited bachelor of engineering (honours) programme, you hold the educational formation required of a chartered engineer up until 1 January 2021. Under the new regulations, once your qualification has been successfully checked and verified, you will be notified that you have successfully completed your Phase 1 formation and you may proceed to your Phase 2 assessment.

It is important to note that from 1 January 2021, all applicants, regardless of their qualification date, will be required to provide evidence of their achievement of an accredited master’s degree in engineering or equivalent. This includes those who qualified prior to 2013. Therefore, those holding an accredited bachelor (honours) degree, regardless of their graduation date, will be required to provide evidence of their further learning to master’s degree level. This will be defined in full in the new regulations.

7. Existing chartered engineers: As part of their commitment to lifelong learning and the code of conduct as a chartered engineer, it is incumbent on existing chartered engineers to familiarise themselves with the new regulations to fully understand the competences required of them.

8. As an interviewer and assessor: After the launch of the new regulations in September 2013, Engineers Ireland will be embarking on a schedule of briefing sessions to inform all of our peer review interviewers of the changes to the process. All interviewers will be re-briefed in advance of the acceptance of the first applications under the new regulations.

9. Membership of Engineers Ireland: Applicants will be required to be full members of Engineers Ireland at least three months in advance of applying for the professional title of chartered engineer.

NEW REGULATIONS

The new regulations will be launched in September 2013. It is expected the first applications will be received under the new regulations in the summer of 2014, but this will be confirmed when the new regulations are launched. In the meantime, applications will continue to be accepted under the current regulations for the June 2013 and January 2014 deadlines.

godtabh

budhabob wrote: »

Anything is possible, but two sets of exams for two courses and work....dont see the point in killing myself more than I am already

We'll see might get a notion and start into it.....highly doubtful however

This is turning into a pissing contest. I had 6 exams!

In all seriousness the question that should be asked is do you meet the competences of a chartered engineer. If the answer is yes then start preparing your report. There is a lot to remember

lolly2345

godtabh wrote: »

You arent sure to pass once you've been asked to interview. If you can demonstrate that what you have written in your report is actually your experience and you can verbalise it you should be fine.

I'm doing interview prep with a few clients and something that has come up with nearly all of them. They are getting cocky

I don't think I'm sure to pass, I have just found that people suggest if you're called for interview you'll be grand! I don't think there is any danger of me being cocky, my downfall has always been that I don't sell myself well in these situations, so I'm planning to do plenty of prep.

Anyone got any tips on the type of questions they ask in the interview just to give me a taster?!

godtabh

they'll ask you questions based on your report. What was your design approach to a project. Why did you choose that approach over another. WHo did you manage the approach. Its all based on your report

Sparks

Your Engineering Practice Report has now been assessed and we are pleased to inform you that you have been approved to progress to the Professional Interview stage of the Review.

[burns]Excellent...[/burns]

Hah, there I was working on my presentation for the interview until I decided to re-read the e-mail where it states:

You will note from the Regulations that the Professional Interview will normally extend to one hour. Candidates will be provided with their interviewers names on the day. The panel give you a brief introduction into their background. As an introduction to the Professional Interview you will be invited to speak about your career for 10 minutes. You may use brief notes but not read from a prepared statement. An overhead projector will not be available.

Well that's a lot of time wasted! :pac:. For some reason I always had it in my head that there was going to be a presentation (i.e. using powerpoint) as opposed to an interview (yes, I know, that's what it's actually called)! Don't know how I came up with that, it's pretty clear.

Sparks

Who needs a projector? Bring a netbook and hit F5

I like the way they specify that an overhead project is not available but it doesn't state that you can't bring one with you.

Tar.Aldarion

They're gonna get you with one of dem desk projectors.

Sparks

Well, if you want to go down that route... http://mini-projector-review.toptenreviews.com/3m-pocketprojector-review.html

Must... stop... looking at technology that I can buy...

All done! Definitely an interesting interview.

Tar.Aldarion

Sparks wrote: »

Well, if you want to go down that route... http://mini-projector-review.toptenreviews.com/3m-pocketprojector-review.html

Muust bring this around for emergcy presentations
http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxybeam/

Dónal wrote: »

All done! Definitely an interesting interview.

Hope it goes well for you!