AdBlue, what the hell?

dc99

Where have I been hiding in the last while?

I just got a new VW to find it has something called Adblue that I have to refill every so often. Never told it was on the car - not to mind what its for...

I still would have brought the car, but can’t believe I never knew of this new emission reducing system....

Anyhow, does anyone know where I can get the tub and nozzle to use on a 10l jug of this wonder chem?

The 1.86l bottles are extraordinary expensive. But I know a local place to get the stuff for a lot less, just need a safe system of topping the stuff up in car.

Anyone?

punisher5112

dc99 wrote: »

Where have I been hiding in the last while?

I just got a new VW to find it has something called Adblue that I have to refill every so often. Never told it was on the car - not to mind what its for...

I still would have brought the car, but can’t believe I never knew of this new emission reducing system....

Anyhow, does anyone know where I can get the tub and nozzle to use on a 10l jug of this wonder chem?

The 1.86l bottles are extraordinary expensive. But I know a local place to get the stuff for a lot less, just need a safe system of topping the stuff up in car.

Anyone?

It's in all euro 6 engines and a must from the EU.

Big bottle sold at topaz or motor factors.

It's essentially p iss

Atlantic Dawn

Maxol and Halfords sell it, think the bottles they have come with a nozzle for connecting it to the tank on the car.

Poor show from salesperson not to explain it to you. Most likely they didn't show any interest in how you would actually be using the car whether a diesel with DPF was suitable for you either, just took the money and ran.

James Bond Junior

Motor factors will do it for you and may even fill it for you if you ask nicely.

iwillhtfu

They have it in all the advance pitstop places and a few Topaz garages have it at the pump.

It's a pain in the arse to be honest and do not run out of it or your car will not start until refilled. It wont cut out mind so goes to show how much use it is.

I typically get about 10,000kms out of 10L in a Caddy

Toyotafanboi

Buy a single 1.8 litre bottle, then cut the arse out of it and use it as a funnell for a 10 litre bottle.

VW dealers do a 10l for €15 ish which is better value than the 1.8l bottles.

enumbers

Most motor factors stock it, the one I use has 20 litre cans with a nozzle for filling

NIMAN

So what year did VW cars start using it?

And where do you put it?

punisher5112

NIMAN wrote: »

So what year did VW cars start using it?

And where do you put it?

Around 2016 on.

It right beside fuel cap in most.

punisher5112

Large vehicles since 2008 and a bit before depending on models etc.

bazz26

It's in most Euro6 compliant diesel passenger vehicles these days, there is usually either a filler next to the existing fuel filler or in some cases there is a filler in the boot of the car.

AdBlue has been used in trucks for years afaik.

NIMAN

Never seen it on my 16 Golf, so mustn't have it.

punisher5112

NIMAN wrote: »

Never seen it on my 16 Golf, so mustn't have it.

Depending on model changes and engines.

iwillhtfu

bazz26 wrote: »

It's in most Euro6 compliant diesel passenger vehicles these days, there is usually either a filler next to the existing fuel filler or in some cases there is a filler in the boot of the car.

AdBlue has been used in trucks for years afaik.

Also under the bonnet beside the radiator.

Toyotafanboi

NIMAN wrote: »

Never seen it on my 16 Golf, so mustn't have it.

The Golf and Passat don't use it yet.

bucketybuck

dc99 wrote: »

But I know a local place to get the stuff for a lot less

Cheaper is good, but I would strongly recommend you make sure it is still good quality. Been dealing with adblue in trucks for years and trust me, you don't want the problems associated with poor quality or contaminated adblue.

The pumps and sensors controlling those systems don't come cheap and its no fun telling drivers that contamination means they have to pay for it.

porcupine3

Be careful not to overfill it. Was told by the Merc dealership where car was bought that this can also result in the sensor showing an adblue problem. A different dealer did the first service and not long after picking up the car got the message that the engine would shut down in about 800km. Had to be towed away. Personally I believe that dealer 2 overfilled it.

R.O.R

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

The Golf and Passat don't use it yet.

Some Passats do have adblue. Mainly DSG or 4 Motion. 190 saloon had it before they stopped selling it.

iwillhtfu

porcupine3 wrote: »

Be careful not to overfill it. Was told by the Merc dealership where car was bought that this can also result in the sensor showing an adblue problem. A different dealer did the first service and not long after picking up the car got the message that the engine would shut down in about 800km. Had to be towed away. Personally I believe that dealer 2 overfilled it.

Id have to call B.S. on that one I've never had that issue and I've filled it to the gills dozens of times. Perhaps particular to Merc though but I'd find it hard to believe

vandriver

Last time I was up there,the unmanned station near TV3 in ballymount charged 79c a litre at a pump.

Toyotafanboi

iwillhtfu wrote: »

Id have to call B.S. on that one I've never had that issue and I've filled it to the gills dozens of times. Perhaps particular to Merc though but I'd find it hard to believe

Funny, we had that in an S-Class before, filled it to the neck before it was collected and we got an adblue warning the dash, ended up sending it to a Merc main dealer and I think the long and the short of it was it was over full.

finnharpsboy

Picked up our new 181 truck and the dealer told me not to top up the Adblue until there was only about a quarter of a tank left otherwise repeatedly filling it would reduce its effect.

Henry Ford III

punisher5112 wrote: »

It's in all euro 6 engines and a must from the EU.....

My car is new 2018, Euro 6 compliant, and doesn't have/use AdBlue.

bucketybuck

finnharpsboy wrote: »

Picked up our new 181 truck and the dealer told me not to top up the Adblue until there was only about a quarter of a tank left otherwise repeatedly filling it would reduce its effect.

What a load of rubbish.

More to the point, in most trucks letting the adblue level fall below a certain level will cause a warning on the dash and the vehicle to go into limp mode, telling drivers to run it down to that level is just asking for trouble.

Henry Ford III

Based on average annual mileage what's the estimated additional cost of running a car that uses AdBlue?

punisher5112

Henry Ford III wrote: »

My car is new 2018, Euro 6 compliant, and doesn't have/use AdBlue.

Sorry I am wrong in what I said.

I thought I had added in most new models, as in older types haven't added it on yet.

It is going to be an addition to them all eventually.

grogi

punisher5112 wrote: »

It's in all euro 6 engines

Incorrect. Lean NOx trap can also be sufficient, especially for smaller cars.

punisher5112 wrote: »

and a must from the EU.

What is this suppose to mean? Blame EU for actually caring? Don't forget that NOx norms in US are even more strict...

Toyotafanboi

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Based on average annual mileage what's the estimated additional cost of running a car that uses AdBlue?

€20 ish.

A good rule of thumb us around a litre of adblue for every 1000kms covered.

punisher5112

grogi wrote: »

Incorrect. Lean NOx trap can also be sufficient, especially for smaller cars.



What is this suppose to mean? Blame EU for actually caring? Don't forget that NOx norms in US are even more strict...

No it isn't meant to be like you say.

It is p iss though

Tigger

miks garage have 20l for €28
PR reillys or toppart do those prices as well

Tigger

vandriver wrote: »

Last time I was up there,the unmanned station near TV3 in ballymount charged 79c a litre at a pump.

thats cheap i

grogi

Tigger wrote: »

thats cheap i

Every heavy trucks service station would have adblue on the pump for pennies.

iwillhtfu

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Funny, we had that in an S-Class before, filled it to the neck before it was collected and we got an adblue warning the dash, ended up sending it to a Merc main dealer and I think the long and the short of it was it was over full.

I don't see how you can over fill it it's only a tank and it's hardly that exact that it follows the diesel level and fills of the tank. It must be unique to Mercedes as I've never had it on vw van or car.

Toyotafanboi

iwillhtfu wrote: »

I don't see how you can over fill it it's only a tank and it's hardly that exact that it follows the diesel level and fills of the tank. It must be unique to Mercedes as I've never had it on vw van or car.

I don't know the specifics of it tbh but I do remember it happening. I know with some cars if you fill the fuel tank too far it sets the level sensor out of calibration. It may be something similar with the Adblue.

James Bond Junior

Tigger wrote: »

miks garage have 20l for €28
PR reillys or toppart do those prices as well

Since EPC took over reillys they barely have anything in stock never mind Ad blue. Top Part definitely have it.

Zoney

grogi wrote: »

Every heavy trucks service station would have adblue on the pump for pennies.

My service booklet specifically says not to use these. No details, maybe it's just that it is a problem to overfill.

C4 grand Picasso, 2.0 bluehdi engine.

Actually had to get cap for the tank replaced, under recall. Original one was missing a valve component so apparently could lead to the tank building up pressure and deforming.

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Zoney wrote: »

My service booklet specifically says not to use these. No details, maybe it's just that it is a problem to overfill.

C4 grand Picasso, 2.0 bluehdi engine.

Actually had to get cap for the tank replaced, under recall. Original one was missing a valve component so apparently could lead to the tank building up pressure and deforming.

MY previous car was the same but it said it was because of the pressure and rate of flow that its delivered at from truck pumps.

Micky 32

It's mostly the higher BHP cars use Adblue but i'd say eventually all diesel cars will use it. My 240bhp Passat uses it and i get it from the main dealers 10l for 15 euro, comes with a handy nozzle to fill now.

grogi

Maliah Defeated Summer wrote: »

MY previous car was the same but it said it was because of the pressure and rate of flow that its delivered at from truck pumps.

I have a 10l drum that I feel at the station, and then use it to fill the tank.

The composition of AdBlue is very well defined - 32.5% aqueous solution of urea. It is the same stuff everywhere...

Zoney wrote: »

Actually had to get cap for the tank replaced, under recall. Original one was missing a valve component so apparently could lead to the tank building up pressure and deforming.

Had mine serviced yesterday, need to look at the cap as well

mikeecho

How about buying/ getting your hands on a 5 or 10L bottle of adblue.

And when it's empty, just refill it at a petrol station.

I know that some petrol stations that sell 5L bottles of adblue will have a few empties lying around., just ask for two empties, and a funnel.

They will only be dumping / recycling them anyway.

Tigger

James Bond Junior wrote: »

Since EPC took over reillys they barely have anything in stock never mind Ad blue. Top Part definitely have it.

ECP

Eric Cartman

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

€20 ish.

A good rule of thumb us around a litre of adblue for every 1000kms covered.

ahh bmw e46 oil ratio rules. easy to remember

Harry Palmr

Surely this will have to be added to diesel at source, It won't be long before these swanky new cars are middle aged third/forth ownership runabouts and plenty decide to cut costs by trying to get by on far less than the recommended amount.

edit - I see it's a discreet unit so can't be added to the fuel (no I don't drive a diesel).

testicles

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R.O.R

testicles wrote: »

So, theoretically you could just blast it with piss? :-)

If really stuck, but wouldn't fancy trying to get the special nozzle on the old chap.

Leonard Hofstadter

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Surely this will have to be added to diesel at source, It won't be long before these swanky new cars are middle aged third/forth ownership runabouts and plenty decide to cut costs by trying to get by on far less than the recommended amount.

edit - I see it's a discreet unit so can't be added to the fuel (no I don't drive a diesel).

The car will shut down automatically if you drive more than 100 km without it. Probably an EU requirement since it does not in any way affect the running of the engine. I'd imagine there is potential for an engine to be 'remapped' so that it will run fine without AdBlue.

Widdensushi

captainspeed wrote: »

The car will shut down automatically if you drive more than 100 km without it. Probably an EU requirement since it does not in any way affect the running of the engine. I'd imagine there is potential for an engine to be 'remapped' so that it will run fine without AdBlue.

If you put diesel in the ad blue tank you can stay going

R.O.R

captainspeed wrote: »

The car will shut down automatically if you drive more than 100 km without it. Probably an EU requirement since it does not in any way affect the running of the engine. I'd imagine there is potential for an engine to be 'remapped' so that it will run fine without AdBlue.

No it won't.

If you run out of Adblue the car won't restart, but it won't cut out while it's running.